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whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
July 12 2020 18:09 GMT
#1401
Well sadly we do get ZvZ finals but if any players can deliver amazing ZvZ matches its these two, lets go!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 12 2020 18:09 GMT
#1402
On July 13 2020 03:08 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:06 Ej_ wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:04 Bagration wrote:
One of my wish lists for SC2 is a nerf to the queen - it feels like the early game has gotten pretty stale. At the pro level, the Zerg is always able to defend early pressure, and it feels too low stake. You can nerf the bunker and shield batteries too.

The map pool is already much different from 2010, favoring macro games with longer rush distances.

You do realize that queens have been nerfed a few times last 3 years?


A lil more would be my preference personally. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I really enjoyed the meta-game back around late 2011 / early 2012, when pros still had to watch out for an occasional one-base or two-base push that could do some devastating damage.

rewatch yesterdays series Scarlett vs Astrea, perfect for you haha
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3173 Posts
July 12 2020 18:10 GMT
#1403
Serral and Reynor are just on another level that's all. Nerf Zerg over and over and they still win lol.
Artosis loves Starcraft
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 12 2020 18:10 GMT
#1404
On July 13 2020 03:09 whiterabbit wrote:
Well sadly we do get ZvZ finals but if any players can deliver amazing ZvZ matches its these two, lets go!

definitely. ZvZ can be very entertaining and I believe in those two, though the series is probably going to be very mindgame heavy
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
July 12 2020 18:10 GMT
#1405
On July 13 2020 03:09 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:07 Lexender wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:06 NoS-Craig wrote:
bit of a let down down. I hope Serral vs Reynor is better. I was hoping Clem could at least take it to game 5.


Its the same ZvZ finals we've had for about 2 years, theres nothing special about it at this point.


I’d rather watch serral reynor than Clem vs Z

Serral VS reynor is the highest level of Starcraft you can get in a foreign circuit. It’s like watching two top Koreans duke it out.

Clem seems to be at that level too.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
July 12 2020 18:11 GMT
#1406
On July 13 2020 03:08 Calliope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:04 Bagration wrote:
One of my wish lists for SC2 is a nerf to the queen - it feels like the early game has gotten pretty stale. At the pro level, the Zerg is always able to defend early pressure, and it feels too low stake. You can nerf the bunker and shield batteries too.

The map pool is already much different from 2010, favoring macro games with longer rush distances.


I get this impression too, one unit defending all early pressure (except adepts) doesn't feel like good design. They seem to be too good at defending creep tumours so the game snowballs to that total map control phase before even taking off.


They're a necessary evil at this point just like warpgate. Rebalancing the game around Zerg not having the same level of creep spread would be incredibly difficult and time consuming, and I doubt we're going to see that level of change from Blizzard.
In Somnis Veritas
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
July 12 2020 18:11 GMT
#1407
On July 13 2020 03:10 NoS-Craig wrote:
Serral and Reynor are just on another level that's all. Nerf Zerg over and over and they still win lol.


Clem has beaten reynor so many times, got close to serral as well, beaten him once in a bo5 in a smaller tourney. And you would think they would still dominate if you nerf them multiple times more? Even Gabe and Showtime would come in the picture at that point
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 12 2020 18:12 GMT
#1408
On July 13 2020 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:09 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:07 Lexender wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:06 NoS-Craig wrote:
bit of a let down down. I hope Serral vs Reynor is better. I was hoping Clem could at least take it to game 5.


Its the same ZvZ finals we've had for about 2 years, theres nothing special about it at this point.


I’d rather watch serral reynor than Clem vs Z

Serral VS reynor is the highest level of Starcraft you can get in a foreign circuit. It’s like watching two top Koreans duke it out.

Clem seems to be at that level too.


Clem is a great prospect and probably has a bright future but I think serral and reynor are on a different level.

Personally I don’t think Clem is as good as neeb special Scarlett yet
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
July 12 2020 18:12 GMT
#1409
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 12 2020 18:13 GMT
#1410
will serral make ultras again? :D
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
July 12 2020 18:14 GMT
#1411
On July 13 2020 03:12 Lexender wrote:
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.

in such a good T meta ? No way imo.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 12 2020 18:14 GMT
#1412
On July 13 2020 03:12 Lexender wrote:
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.

A meme taking 3rd and 4th place in the regional finals that was also one map away from being in the finals.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-12 18:19:23
July 12 2020 18:15 GMT
#1413
On July 13 2020 03:12 Lexender wrote:
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.


Huh? We have three top foreign Terrans atm who are consistently doing as good as or better than any foreign Protoss (uThermal, Clem, Heromarine). Only Showtime and Neeb are arguably on their level consistently.

edit: 4 foreign Terran, forgot about Special.
In Somnis Veritas
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 12 2020 18:15 GMT
#1414
On July 13 2020 03:12 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:09 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:07 Lexender wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:06 NoS-Craig wrote:
bit of a let down down. I hope Serral vs Reynor is better. I was hoping Clem could at least take it to game 5.


Its the same ZvZ finals we've had for about 2 years, theres nothing special about it at this point.


I’d rather watch serral reynor than Clem vs Z

Serral VS reynor is the highest level of Starcraft you can get in a foreign circuit. It’s like watching two top Koreans duke it out.

Clem seems to be at that level too.


Clem is a great prospect and probably has a bright future but I think serral and reynor are on a different level.

Personally I don’t think Clem is as good as neeb special Scarlett yet


I doubt any of Neeb special or scarlett would have gotten even top 4 if they played in the EU circuit.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 12 2020 18:16 GMT
#1415
Poll: How many maps will Reynor take?

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Your vote: How many maps will Reynor take?

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"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 12 2020 18:17 GMT
#1416
On July 13 2020 03:15 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:12 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:09 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:07 Lexender wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:06 NoS-Craig wrote:
bit of a let down down. I hope Serral vs Reynor is better. I was hoping Clem could at least take it to game 5.


Its the same ZvZ finals we've had for about 2 years, theres nothing special about it at this point.


I’d rather watch serral reynor than Clem vs Z

Serral VS reynor is the highest level of Starcraft you can get in a foreign circuit. It’s like watching two top Koreans duke it out.

Clem seems to be at that level too.


Clem is a great prospect and probably has a bright future but I think serral and reynor are on a different level.

Personally I don’t think Clem is as good as neeb special Scarlett yet


I doubt any of Neeb special or scarlett would have gotten even top 4 if they played in the EU circuit.


I feel like there are on big Gabe's level but a bit below the new eu trinity.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
July 12 2020 18:17 GMT
#1417
On July 13 2020 03:12 Lexender wrote:
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.


TLO used to switch races too, chasing the meta. It would actually be nice to see Clem playing Z, but switching to P now would probably be suicide.
Clément 화이팅
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 12 2020 18:18 GMT
#1418
On July 13 2020 03:17 Calliope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:12 Lexender wrote:
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.


TLO used to switch races too, chasing the meta. It would actually be nice to see Clem playing Z, but switching to P now would probably be suicide.


Well, he doesn't mean much, but he is around 6.4k as toss :p
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 12 2020 18:18 GMT
#1419
On July 13 2020 03:17 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:15 Pandain wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:12 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:09 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:07 Lexender wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:06 NoS-Craig wrote:
bit of a let down down. I hope Serral vs Reynor is better. I was hoping Clem could at least take it to game 5.


Its the same ZvZ finals we've had for about 2 years, theres nothing special about it at this point.


I’d rather watch serral reynor than Clem vs Z

Serral VS reynor is the highest level of Starcraft you can get in a foreign circuit. It’s like watching two top Koreans duke it out.

Clem seems to be at that level too.


Clem is a great prospect and probably has a bright future but I think serral and reynor are on a different level.

Personally I don’t think Clem is as good as neeb special Scarlett yet


I doubt any of Neeb special or scarlett would have gotten even top 4 if they played in the EU circuit.


I feel like there are on big Gabe's level but a bit below the new eu trinity.

I don't think Neeb, Special and Scarlett are actually on the same level as each other to begin with
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
July 12 2020 18:19 GMT
#1420
On July 13 2020 03:14 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:12 Lexender wrote:
I can forsee Clem pulling a Neeb and switching races.

Meanwhile it just seems foreign Ts just are a meme, its not even about Z considering NA protoss. Terran is a race just for the koreans.

A meme taking 3rd and 4th place in the regional finals that was also one map away from being in the finals.


I've seen Special do finals a few times, I've followed the scene for 10 years, I just have no hope for a terran champion at this point, hopefully they pull a uThermal but I highly doubt we'll have a T champion in 2020. Its just my pessism talking.
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