On April 15 2020 18:56 Elentos wrote: When you're this much worse than your opponent I can hardly think of a worse build to do than 2/1/1. Already sucks on even skill.
Preach brother, I'd be going double starport BC or something equally stupid
On April 15 2020 19:21 pvsnp wrote: Were there any banelings before the last fight? Seemed like ling/hydra the whole time, which trades horribly against marine/tank.
She morphed her first banelings in front of the hatchery so INno's first push cancelled them all and she didn't have time to make new ones until she was dead basically.
There's a progamer commentary chat going on over on SpeCial's stream today btw guys. Though they seem a bit distracted by more general SC2 discussions.
On April 15 2020 19:42 Morbidius wrote: At least now we will have what we came for, a discussion on whether Rogue is better than Serral based on a single BO3.
Can we focus on trash talking 1 foreigner at a time?
On April 15 2020 20:00 Ej_ wrote: So is it plausible that after becoming the World Champion, Rogue will shit the bed against Scarlett in ro32 for a second time in his career?
He's still the huge favorite but Rogue is also the undisputed bed shitting world champion
I wonder if this is some kind of statement from Inno, along the lines of "Rogue can't adapt and will blindly go hatch first every game" or "he can't micro to save his life"
On April 15 2020 20:05 pvsnp wrote: You know as it so happens, Maru was streaming yesterday and Inno started messaging him asking for tips. I guess Maru was just like "The winrate of proxy 2rax in tournaments is insane."
On April 15 2020 20:06 fastr wrote: I wonder if this is some kind of statement from Inno, along the lines of "Rogue can't adapt and will blindly go hatch first every game" or "he can't micro to save his life"
Strange that Rogue did not prepare for Inno proxy raxing at all. It was obvious from his reactions that he was caught completely off guard and could not adjust his game plan properly. Well, he should still advance anyway, but did not expect him to get crushed so hard.
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
Yknow I think Rogue might be the #1 player when it comes to effort/money ratio. He tries hard just long enough to win the big bucks.
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
Yknow I think Rogue might be the #1 player when it comes to effort/money ratio. He tries hard just long enough to win the big bucks.
sounds like $o$? And Maru might be the #1 player when it comes to him not being surrounded by strangers lol
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
Yknow I think Rogue might be the #1 player when it comes to effort/money ratio. He tries hard just long enough to win the big bucks.
sounds like $o$? And Maru might be the #1 player when it comes to him not being surrounded by strangers lol
sOs before his 5 year streak of not winning anything you mean.
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
Yknow I think Rogue might be the #1 player when it comes to effort/money ratio. He tries hard just long enough to win the big bucks.
sounds like $o$? And Maru might be the #1 player when it comes to him not being surrounded by strangers lol
sOs has the 2 flops in GSL finals against him tho. When Rogue gets deep into a tournament he usually takes it.
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
Yknow I think Rogue might be the #1 player when it comes to effort/money ratio. He tries hard just long enough to win the big bucks.
sounds like $o$? And Maru might be the #1 player when it comes to him not being surrounded by strangers lol
sOs before his 5 year streak of not winning anything you mean.
Yeah, the good version of sOs, not the guy that replaced him in LotV
On April 15 2020 20:21 parksonsc wrote: It feels like Korean Zergs are so good in their peaks but looks so bad sometimes. Rogue turned from beating Maru and winning IEM into this clown bo3.
I think Rogue just chills rn after winning IEM he has done it in the past too.
Yeah Rogue doesn't have to try hard and perform in tournaments until next March basically.
Yknow I think Rogue might be the #1 player when it comes to effort/money ratio. He tries hard just long enough to win the big bucks.
sounds like $o$? And Maru might be the #1 player when it comes to him not being surrounded by strangers lol
sOs has the 2 flops in GSL finals against him tho. When Rogue gets deep into a tournament he usually takes it.
This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
I bet you forgot how Leenock kicked Rogue out of Code S S2 last year.
So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
On April 15 2020 21:14 Kaizor wrote: I still remember the days when korean pros just cheesed against foreigners and win because they know foreigners couldn't handle it.
Always feel good when koreans get the other end of the stick.
Back then it was because they just executed it way better this time rogue just play hatch first 2 times, and scarlett almost messed it up in game 2
Lol. What a werid day. Innovation looking untouchable, TOP looking like he came straight out of a 2011 time machine, Rogue just being a big time noob and Scarlett seizing her opportunity. Fair enough
On April 15 2020 21:14 Kaizor wrote: I still remember the days when korean pros just cheesed against foreigners and win because they know foreigners couldn't handle it.
Always feel good when koreans get the other end of the stick.
Back then it was because they just executed it way better this time rogue just play hatch first 2 times, and scarlett almost messed it up in game 2
Koreans hardly expect foreigners to cheese unless they are known cheesers like Has. Rogue really underestimated Scarlett here.
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
On April 15 2020 21:14 Kaizor wrote: I still remember the days when korean pros just cheesed against foreigners and win because they know foreigners couldn't handle it.
Always feel good when koreans get the other end of the stick.
Back then it was because they just executed it way better this time rogue just play hatch first 2 times, and scarlett almost messed it up in game 2
Koreans hardly expect foreigners to cheese unless they are known cheesers like Has. Rogue really underestimated Scarlett here.
Because scarlett is not known for cheesing in the gsl
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
You can defend the first build with hatch first, Rogue was just bad that game honestly.
Second game, every pro has complained about 12 pool drone pull on that map but it's holdable with pool before gas, I don't see any reason to go gas before pool on a map like this but...korean zvz
You guys haven't even seen the best part of this yet. WinterSC is going to make a bunch of clickbait videos about Scarlett cheesing (huge surprise! you won't believe it) and call upon legions of fans who believe that Scarlett is a top 2 zerg with countless premier tournament wins
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
I slated him twice today, he was unprepared, responded poorly and just played like he had his brain completely switched off. Honestly deserved to be eliminated, but just saying its not good for the game because Scarlett is a lot worse as a player and will not bring anything to the game just more of bullshit like this. I want to see the best players duke it out in the latter stages... Oh well
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
why you hate him?
I'll admit it's pretty irrational but his games today is a good exemple of his coinflippy style of play. That and he also cheesed out a lot of strong players out of big tournaments. On the other hand, he has an impressive late game, which is why it boggles my mind that 1: he cheese so much 2: he plays so greedy against cheesy players he should beat.
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
why you hate him?
I'll admit it's pretty irrational but his games today is a good exemple of his coinflippy style of play. That and he also cheesed out a lot of strong players out of big tournaments. On the other hand, he has an impressive late game, which is why it boggles my mind that 1: he cheese so much 2: he plays so greedy against cheesy players he should beat.
This also sounds like Maru, who could have won Blizzcon if he did not cheese sOs, who he should 1000% beat in a macro game. Jinair players are hard to understand.
I wonder how much Rogue plays ladder. The first build was very smart and I don't think Rogue losing to it is evidence of him blowing Starcraft off, but if he had any Zerg friends playing ladder he should have had a better response in game 2.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
I slated him twice today, he was unprepared, responded poorly and just played like he had his brain completely switched off. Honestly deserved to be eliminated, but just saying its not good for the game because Scarlett is a lot worse as a player and will not bring anything to the game just more of bullshit like this. I want to see the best players duke it out in the latter stages... Oh well
at least we will see some preparation instead of Rogue's ignoring the preparation.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Great plays from Scarlett. Rogue is kind of player that you will lose your bet when he becomes a favorite of the tournament of the day, but not so when he is not.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
You're a Rogue fan and I hate him so we're both biased, but this is what I eluded to earlier when I said Inno made a statement about him when he proxy'd him twice and Rogue always went hatch first.
Either Rogue is cocky and thinks he can defend every build with hatch first, or he's incapable to prepare and adapt to his opponent. What's worst, being cocky or lazy?
why you hate him?
I'll admit it's pretty irrational but his games today is a good exemple of his coinflippy style of play. That and he also cheesed out a lot of strong players out of big tournaments. On the other hand, he has an impressive late game, which is why it boggles my mind that 1: he cheese so much 2: he plays so greedy against cheesy players he should beat.
This also sounds like Maru, who could have won Blizzcon if he did not cheese sOs, who he should 1000% beat in a macro game. Jinair players are hard to understand.
If only Maru had the same in-house match results between him and sOs that parkson has... I'm sure his strategy choice would have been better then.
Seeing Rogue get eliminated so early on is absolutely beautiful, feels so appropriate for him to lose to cheese after his utter abuse of swarmhosts last season.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Tier 2 koreans like Innovation who just stomped this Code S group, you mean? Yours is such a poor attempt it's laughable xd
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Tier 2 koreans like Innovation who just stomped this Code S group, you mean? Yours is such a poor attempt it's laughable xd
Poor attempts are his series against top Protoss players in Katowice, players who proceed to get destroyed in the finals by a Zerg who didn't even get out of his GSL group.
Inno the robot with 4 different builds in 4 games is promising. I feel like he just started 2-raxing again when he was playing the WardiTV tourney cross-server and didn't feel like playing out a macro game and remembered how effective it can be. And man oh man was Rogue staring into the abyss at the end there.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Tier 2 koreans like Innovation who just stomped this Code S group, you mean? Yours is such a poor attempt it's laughable xd
Poor attempts are his series against top Protoss players in Katowice, players who proceed to get destroyed in the finals by a Zerg who didn't even get out of his GSL group.
So Dark and Maru are also shitty player who managed to lose to a player who got 0-2 in his group in the two match up?
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Tier 2 koreans like Innovation who just stomped this Code S group, you mean? Yours is such a poor attempt it's laughable xd
Poor attempts are his series against top Protoss players in Katowice, players who proceed to get destroyed in the finals by a Zerg who didn't even get out of his GSL group.
So Dark and Maru are also shitty player who managed to lose to a player who got 0-2 in his group in the two match up?
Turns out at the highest Level everyone can beat everyone Suprising
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Tier 2 koreans like Innovation who just stomped this Code S group, you mean? Yours is such a poor attempt it's laughable xd
Poor attempts are his series against top Protoss players in Katowice, players who proceed to get destroyed in the finals by a Zerg who didn't even get out of his GSL group.
So Dark and Maru are also shitty player who managed to lose to a player who got 0-2 in his group in the two match up?
Turns out at the highest Level everyone can beat everyone Suprising
Yeah, let's just say that the highest level of sc2 is unforgiving
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Haha Innovation is a tier 2 Korean now? Did you watch him play today?
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
This makes no sense whatsoever. I'm more of a Maru guy personally, but you Serral anti-fanboys are truly starting to be insufferable on this forum. If you've ever caught their streams (on the very rare occasions it's happened), their mechanics, multi-tasking and decision-making are clearly a cut above the rest. Like, if you actually play this game with any knowledge or ability, you can't help but appreciate their play.
They're both two of the best ever, and this constant snipping of them is pretty tired.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
Haha Innovation is a tier 2 Korean now? Did you watch him play today?
He's no more Tier 1 IMO. That's just Maru. Inno is T1 only on his better days, maybe he will return to T1, so far he has good tourneys to not fall completely to T2.
Edit> you can read it as T1,5. Sorry not sorry, compared to Dark or Maru Inno isn't either playing his best or his no more full T1
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
On April 15 2020 21:14 MarianoSC2 wrote: This is actually really crappy for the game to have such a player eliminated over someone so weak as Scarlett. But its his own fault I just dont get why not go pool first or build spines. How on earth did he not expect the shittiest cheese possible? :/
Lol what?
Don't worry bout him. He is a Korean elitist and really butthurt after a foreigner win over a Korean
Rogue could have held in game 2, maybe he could have engaged a bit earlier during the ling/drone dance. But those engagements are decided by fractions. Game 1 basically was a BO win. If Rogue somehow scouts the lings early enough, he wins. But normally you just don't scout the main after seeing a hatch. Going "defensive" pool first would have helped, but that's a so-so opener, which puts you behind vs. macro hatch first.
On April 16 2020 03:03 virpi wrote: Rogue could have held in game 2, maybe he could have engaged a bit earlier during the ling/drone dance. But those engagements are decided by fractions. Game 1 basically was a BO win. If Rogue somehow scouts the lings early enough, he wins. But normally you just don't scout the main after seeing a hatch. Going "defensive" pool first would have helped, but that's a so-so opener, which puts you behind vs. macro hatch first.
Rogue's reaction in Game 1 seemed odd/slow to me. Scarlett's hatch being almost 10 seconds later than his should have been a minor tell (at least more than making one set of lings) letting his queens get surrounded at the bottom of the ramp, late drone pulls. etc. Probably wouldn't have mattered much, but still.
WOW that was an amazing match from Scarlett, Rogue's dejected face said everything. Props to NoRegret for the build, and amazing work from Scarlett to execute it, particularly the 2nd game getting really wild with spine placements.
My god that was incredible to watch. Pure brutal cheese, that Rogue look of desolation will become a meme. Love it Scarlett, amazing. <3 I hope Rogue uses this loss to propel him back to the top.
That was the first 10-map GSL group (all five matches 2-0) since 2018 Season 1, and the game times of the last match were 3:30 and 4:15, so it was over fast. Yet, I thought it was one of the better nights of GSL SC2.
-Four dominant games of Inno showing his mechanical brilliance - a maestro a work, even Rogue looks overwhelmed -Four quick drama-free show matches with past contender TOP/Kiwian - a chance to reminisce about the past -A thrilling conclusion - Scarlett pulling off two of the most impressive cheese builds vs GSL/IEM Champ Rogue.
That is two big upsets in a row in Groups A and B, both at the expense of Jin Air, and I wonder if we see Creator advance as he is probably the weakest player in his difficult Group D.
On April 16 2020 09:09 Chemist391 wrote: After so many years of watching foreigners fall to Korean cheese, this felt pretty good.
I wonder if Koreans cheese foreigners more than any of the other three combinations (koreans cheese koreans, foreigners cheese koreans, foreigners cheese foreigners).
On April 16 2020 03:03 virpi wrote: Rogue could have held in game 2, maybe he could have engaged a bit earlier during the ling/drone dance. But those engagements are decided by fractions. Game 1 basically was a BO win. If Rogue somehow scouts the lings early enough, he wins. But normally you just don't scout the main after seeing a hatch. Going "defensive" pool first would have helped, but that's a so-so opener, which puts you behind vs. macro hatch first.
Rogue's reaction in Game 1 seemed odd/slow to me. Scarlett's hatch being almost 10 seconds later than his should have been a minor tell (at least more than making one set of lings) letting his queens get surrounded at the bottom of the ramp, late drone pulls. etc. Probably wouldn't have mattered much, but still.
Game 1 was definitely not a BO win, you can hold that build with hatch first, otherwise everyone would just do it lol. There were obvious tells that something was up, and his decision to defend the bottom just made no sense. It's almost like he'd never seen it before because there's no way his response was objectively correct at all.
Game 2 was honestly the bigger BO win, that build is OP on that map and you should go Hatch > Pool, rather than Hatch > Gas > Pool to be safer on that map. Evo block doesn't hold it on the map and the spine (even tho Scarlett didn't do this) hits the natural from the high ground if you position it correctly, regardless of spawn positions. The only reason Game 2 was close at all is because Scarlett made mistakes with the execution, and even then, she won. If she'd executed a bit cleaner, it's very hard to defend.
On April 15 2020 21:15 deacon.frost wrote: So we have foreigner in the RO16 because Rogue forgot his brain in the changing room or what? This doesn't look very good for JAGW considering the company is probably hit by covid crisis
Come on, have you watched TOP today? Scarlett is not a random "foreigner", she's a mainstay in Code S right now.
Also, that's just Rogue:he is extremely inconsistent for such a top tier player, it's not the first time he gets eliminated early in a relevant tournament.
Also, post-Katowice champion slump for the nth year running. I don't know if it's purely a mental thing but the link is hard to deny at this point
Also explains, why serral is so consistent.
I'm not sure if he would, but I think that me and you guys would happily trade his consistency for a Katowice title at this point.
I'm sure he enjoys his HSC consistency against tier 2 koreans with 200 ping more than a Katowice title.
This makes no sense whatsoever. I'm more of a Maru guy personally, but you Serral anti-fanboys are truly starting to be insufferable on this forum. If you've ever caught their streams (on the very rare occasions it's happened), their mechanics, multi-tasking and decision-making are clearly a cut above the rest. Like, if you actually play this game with any knowledge or ability, you can't help but appreciate their play.
They're both two of the best ever, and this constant snipping of them is pretty tired.
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I’m pretty excited with Inno’s shape at the minute, both him and Maru look sharp which bodes well for an interesting season if they can keep it up.
this group reminds me of why it's hard to be an Inno fan. He looks godlike early on in a tournamnt and then gets unceremoniously knocked out somewhere in the middle of it. Stats is kind of like that too nowadays.
Game 1 was definitely not a BO win, you can hold that build with hatch first, otherwise everyone would just do it lol. There were obvious tells that something was up, and his decision to defend the bottom just made no sense. It's almost like he'd never seen it before because there's no way his response was objectively correct at all.
What really baffles me is that Rogue didn't play safer in that game. He could haved peeked at the larva / drone count at Scarlett's nat, the hatch timing also was a small tell (creep!). Then he failed to block his ramp. Let's put it this way: It's not a BO win, if you read the opponent properly. It almost looked like he went "Oh she expanded, let's go macro mode." without even thinking about the possibility of a cheese.
I went for this build in my ladder session yesterday, on my skill level (4,6k rn) it works better than it should. But that doesn't mean anything, because pros are 100 levels above me.