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[IEM XIII] Katowice 2019 - Round of 76 Day 2 - Page 25

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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
February 26 2019 21:10 GMT
#481
goddamn...the group A must be the evilest thing that Mojo Jojo has been looking for for so long
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-26 21:20:39
February 26 2019 21:11 GMT
#482
C is easily the Group of Death. Not even Serral will have an easy time getting through Rogue/Inno/Solar/Gumiho, and I wouldn't be surprised if his winstreak gets broken.

A is still less predictable though, B is pretty standard, and D obviously the easiest.

TY got the best deal in these groups and Major the worst. The 5 guys meme is making the rounds on reddit.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 26 2019 21:15 GMT
#483
Group C is a bit above the others. But really every group has at most one player who couldn't make it into Code S Ro16. There is definitely no group that is easy to win.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8247 Posts
February 26 2019 21:20 GMT
#484
I was told the gap is closing. What happened?
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
February 26 2019 21:23 GMT
#485
On February 27 2019 06:20 geokilla wrote:
I was told the gap is closing. What happened?


The gap narrows every Blizzcon and then opens at the following Katowice.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 26 2019 21:26 GMT
#486
Best games today?
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
February 26 2019 21:45 GMT
#487
On February 27 2019 06:20 geokilla wrote:
I was told the gap is closing. What happened?

it's just a land converging phenomenon
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
February 26 2019 21:57 GMT
#488
So a group full of PvP and insanely stacked group while others are so-so...
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2019 22:24 GMT
#489
On February 27 2019 06:11 pvsnp wrote:
C is easily the Group of Death. Not even Serral will have an easy time getting through Rogue/Inno/Solar/Gumiho, and I wouldn't be surprised if his winstreak gets broken.

A is still less predictable though, B is pretty standard, and D obviously the easiest.

TY got the best deal in these groups and Major the worst. The 5 guys meme is making the rounds on reddit.


Group D was the easiest before soO, Dear and Scarlett were drawn into it, Maru&co have a smoother path imho;
Group C is definitely hard but not the hardest it could be.

Serral's streak is every day closer to its end simply because it is already gigantic and has lasted an unholy amount of time.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 26 2019 22:32 GMT
#490
Group C is insane but it's because of the pre-seeds. It's not like solar Ragnarok gumiho is noticably better than the other newly qualified players.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-26 22:39:24
February 26 2019 22:34 GMT
#491
Nice to see Serral facing some Korean Terrans. He had a total of one victory over a Korean Terran with a pulse in 2018 in a best of 3+ and that was the 4th best. If Inno and GuMi are on point and Solar or Rogue channel some of their previous ZvZ excellence, Serral could fail to get out of this group.

If Creator's PvP is good, I really hope he finds a way to make it out of this group. I'd love to see him somehow make top 4.

Best case scenario top 4:
Creator, Maru, INnoVation, and Rogue.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2019 22:57 GMT
#492
On February 27 2019 07:34 Boggyb wrote:
Nice to see Serral facing some Korean Terrans. He had a total of one victory over a Korean Terran with a pulse in 2018 in a best of 3+ and that was the 4th best. If Inno and GuMi are on point and Solar or Rogue channel some of their previous ZvZ excellence, Serral could fail to get out of this group.

If Creator's PvP is good, I really hope he finds a way to make it out of this group. I'd love to see him somehow make top 4.

Best case scenario top 4:
Creator, Maru, INnoVation, and Rogue.


Serral faced two Korean Terran in offline Premier Tournaments during the whole 2018, one of which was the best player in the world, months before Serral himself could claim this title. You make it seem like he was struggling to defeat them while he didn't have the opportunity to play against them -.-
HSC was technically a Major, yet Serral beat Bunny twice, TaeJa and Inno once more; how convenient not to say that, right?

Serral's shape should be very bad for him to drop out of the group after ten months of not losing a single offline series; Rogue never ceased to be strong in ZvZ, Serral was just better as clearly showcased by their extremely high level BlizzCon semifinal.

Best case scenario has more than a single foreigner advancing to the ro12.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
February 26 2019 23:17 GMT
#493
On February 27 2019 07:57 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2019 07:34 Boggyb wrote:
Nice to see Serral facing some Korean Terrans. He had a total of one victory over a Korean Terran with a pulse in 2018 in a best of 3+ and that was the 4th best. If Inno and GuMi are on point and Solar or Rogue channel some of their previous ZvZ excellence, Serral could fail to get out of this group.

If Creator's PvP is good, I really hope he finds a way to make it out of this group. I'd love to see him somehow make top 4.

Best case scenario top 4:
Creator, Maru, INnoVation, and Rogue.


Serral faced two Korean Terran in offline Premier Tournaments during the whole 2018, one of which was the best player in the world, months before Serral himself could claim this title. You make it seem like he was struggling to defeat them while he didn't have the opportunity to play against them -.-

Serral didn't have an opportunity to play against them because he ducked out on trying to qualify for any of the GSLs and Maru got Protoss'ed in the Global Finals by the ultimate Protossing Protoss after basically single handily carrying TvP in 2018 by playing a super aggressive and cheesy style. (As compared to Zerg which was favored in both match ups, sometimes insanely [ZvP to start the year was WoL levels of broken])
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
February 26 2019 23:37 GMT
#494
On February 27 2019 08:17 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2019 07:57 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2019 07:34 Boggyb wrote:
Nice to see Serral facing some Korean Terrans. He had a total of one victory over a Korean Terran with a pulse in 2018 in a best of 3+ and that was the 4th best. If Inno and GuMi are on point and Solar or Rogue channel some of their previous ZvZ excellence, Serral could fail to get out of this group.

If Creator's PvP is good, I really hope he finds a way to make it out of this group. I'd love to see him somehow make top 4.

Best case scenario top 4:
Creator, Maru, INnoVation, and Rogue.


Serral faced two Korean Terran in offline Premier Tournaments during the whole 2018, one of which was the best player in the world, months before Serral himself could claim this title. You make it seem like he was struggling to defeat them while he didn't have the opportunity to play against them -.-

Serral didn't have an opportunity to play against them because he ducked out on trying to qualify for any of the GSLs and Maru got Protoss'ed in the Global Finals by the ultimate Protossing Protoss after basically single handily carrying TvP in 2018 by playing a super aggressive and cheesy style. (As compared to Zerg which was favored in both match ups, sometimes insanely [ZvP to start the year was WoL levels of broken])

With that logic Maru dodge HSC to defend his "best player in the world" pretention (which in the back half of 2018 was back "only" by a GSL win with 3 tournament lost 2 of them before the semi).
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 26 2019 23:40 GMT
#495
On February 27 2019 08:17 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2019 07:57 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2019 07:34 Boggyb wrote:
Nice to see Serral facing some Korean Terrans. He had a total of one victory over a Korean Terran with a pulse in 2018 in a best of 3+ and that was the 4th best. If Inno and GuMi are on point and Solar or Rogue channel some of their previous ZvZ excellence, Serral could fail to get out of this group.

If Creator's PvP is good, I really hope he finds a way to make it out of this group. I'd love to see him somehow make top 4.

Best case scenario top 4:
Creator, Maru, INnoVation, and Rogue.


Serral faced two Korean Terran in offline Premier Tournaments during the whole 2018, one of which was the best player in the world, months before Serral himself could claim this title. You make it seem like he was struggling to defeat them while he didn't have the opportunity to play against them -.-

Serral didn't have an opportunity to play against them because he ducked out on trying to qualify for any of the GSLs and Maru got Protoss'ed in the Global Finals by the ultimate Protossing Protoss after basically single handily carrying TvP in 2018 by playing a super aggressive and cheesy style. (As compared to Zerg which was favored in both match ups, sometimes insanely [ZvP to start the year was WoL levels of broken])


Enlightening, really. So are Zerg an inferior breed of korean super proplayers by failing to stop that coward Serral who was playing in his own region in the first real season of full time progaming, despite being so blatantly favored against T and P? Maru winning code S is easily explained by him being the ultimate savior of the Terran race in a sea of Zerg, but the evil evil Protosses somehow found a way to drag him down in the weekenders! How saddening...

I see no facts, overshadowed by a towering wall of bias.



starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
February 26 2019 23:58 GMT
#496
On February 27 2019 08:17 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2019 07:57 Xain0n wrote:
On February 27 2019 07:34 Boggyb wrote:
Nice to see Serral facing some Korean Terrans. He had a total of one victory over a Korean Terran with a pulse in 2018 in a best of 3+ and that was the 4th best. If Inno and GuMi are on point and Solar or Rogue channel some of their previous ZvZ excellence, Serral could fail to get out of this group.

If Creator's PvP is good, I really hope he finds a way to make it out of this group. I'd love to see him somehow make top 4.

Best case scenario top 4:
Creator, Maru, INnoVation, and Rogue.


Serral faced two Korean Terran in offline Premier Tournaments during the whole 2018, one of which was the best player in the world, months before Serral himself could claim this title. You make it seem like he was struggling to defeat them while he didn't have the opportunity to play against them -.-

Serral didn't have an opportunity to play against them because he ducked out on trying to qualify for any of the GSLs and Maru got Protoss'ed in the Global Finals by the ultimate Protossing Protoss after basically single handily carrying TvP in 2018 by playing a super aggressive and cheesy style. (As compared to Zerg which was favored in both match ups, sometimes insanely [ZvP to start the year was WoL levels of broken])

yeah ZvP was so ridiculously imbalanced at some points last year, thank god I'm no a toss player
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 27 2019 01:53 GMT
#497
Gumihoooooooo! Such entertaining games out of him today despite the awful start against Hurricane.

Group C is insane btw

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J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
February 27 2019 03:04 GMT
#498
What is the map score between Maru and Serral now? Has Serral ever beaten TY or Gumiho? I don't remember them playing but they must have. I score GSL victories more highly than any other weekend style tournament but maybe times have changed.
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 05:17:19
February 27 2019 05:04 GMT
#499
On February 27 2019 12:04 J. Corsair wrote:
What is the map score between Maru and Serral now? Has Serral ever beaten TY or Gumiho? I don't remember them playing but they must have. I score GSL victories more highly than any other weekend style tournament but maybe times have changed.


Maru-Serral are 3-3 in map and 2-1 for Serral in match, but Maru won the big one (WESG) 3-0
Serral-TY played against each other once.... in 2014 a 2-1 victory for TY at the time
As for Gumiho he's 9-5 in map vs Serral and 3-1 in match all in 2017 including a couple of win at Blizzcon that eliminated Serral from the global final

All time Serral has a 43% winrate vs Korean terran both in map and match, and in 2018 he had a 66% map score and a 8 and 1 record vs Korean T, his only lost being of course the WESG one vs Maru.

So overall not a lot of info, he did also had a loss against Uthermal at the start of last year, rest is all win and two bo1 loss (vs UT and Kella, second one isn't really a lost, just count as bo1 because it was Nation War he won 2-1)

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herwo
Profile Joined January 2019
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-27 11:27:57
February 27 2019 11:19 GMT
#500
to be fair, reynor's losses were all throws at some point. he had a win in a bag but couldn't close the game. i hope he gets some more systematic practice to perfect his late game and closers because he's obviously capable to handle high level games..

also after reynor vs gumiho, i don't see why people would think gumi stands a chance vs serral.. everyone in group C is an underdog to Serral. upsets can happen of course. curious about rnk vs gumi
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