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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16044 Posts
November 23 2018 16:35 GMT
#221
On November 24 2018 01:34 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:32 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:29 Nakajin wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:28 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote:
I think Mana is legit top 5 all time foreign toss, he has one of the most underrated career.

1. Naniwa
2. Lilbow
3. Neeb
4. Showtime
5. HuK

Nope


Are you fucking me with Lilbow second best foreign toss?
Mana has had a better career then Lilbow, I keep the other 4 and Lilbow is probably 6th.

Lilbow made Blizzcon when it was still hard. 1 out of 2 players who made Blizzcon during the Kespa era.


God damit I'm getting baited
Lilbow got to Blizcon with semi region lock WCS, he didn't really beat Korean to get in and won his final against a foreigner (Mana himself).

He beat the king of WCS Hydra.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 23 2018 16:35 GMT
#222
Massive disappointment that Zest-TaeJa was not on stream tbh
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 23 2018 16:36 GMT
#223
Which version of Taeja or Maru would have beaten Serral? Definitely not the most recent ones.
I agree a top form S tier korean terran would have won g2 if they were playing instead of Bunny, but Serral is not in his BlizzCon form; last patch he was looking unbeatable(yes, better than Maru) and he is still being very good here at HSC.
Give him time!
Gandie
Profile Joined October 2010
158 Posts
November 23 2018 16:36 GMT
#224
Any stream for the next Serrall game?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 16:39:52
November 23 2018 16:36 GMT
#225
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Special
3. Jinro
4. uThermal
5.Lucifron


Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Stephano
3. Snute
4. Scarlett
5. IdrA


I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
November 23 2018 16:36 GMT
#226
On November 24 2018 01:34 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:32 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:29 Nakajin wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:28 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote:
I think Mana is legit top 5 all time foreign toss, he has one of the most underrated career.

1. Naniwa
2. Lilbow
3. Neeb
4. Showtime
5. HuK

Nope


Are you fucking me with Lilbow second best foreign toss?
Mana has had a better career then Lilbow, I keep the other 4 and Lilbow is probably 6th.

Lilbow made Blizzcon when it was still hard. 1 out of 2 players who made Blizzcon during the Kespa era.


God damit I'm getting baited
Lilbow got to Blizcon with semi region lock WCS, he didn't really beat Korean to get in and won his final against a foreigner (Mana himself).

Lilbow Hydra that one time.
why even
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
November 23 2018 16:37 GMT
#227
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.



Hmmmm...interesting that you have Ret in that list but no Stephano.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16044 Posts
November 23 2018 16:37 GMT
#228
On November 24 2018 01:36 Xain0n wrote:
Which version of Taeja or Maru would have beaten Serral? Definitely not the most recent ones.
I agree a top form S tier korean terran would have won g2 if they were playing instead of Bunny, but Serral is not in his BlizzCon form; last patch he was looking unbeatable(yes, better than Maru) and he is still being very good here at HSC.
Give him time!

he was looking unbeatable in ZvZ and ZvP (Stats made him bleed though) but his ZvT was rather untested except one series against Inno and a showmatch vs Maru.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 16:40:36
November 23 2018 16:37 GMT
#229
I wouldn't put Naniwa in the top 5, then again he's my least favorite player of all time so there's that. He had a few big victories, can't deny that.

Also Nerchio is top 3 Zerg of all time easily imo. He's rarely been the very best, but always one of the best.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
November 23 2018 16:38 GMT
#230
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.


What about Special the Starcraft 2 Terran player ?
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16044 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 16:38:59
November 23 2018 16:38 GMT
#231
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.

Nerchio > Ret 100%
oh yeah Stephano... lol
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 16:39:30
November 23 2018 16:38 GMT
#232
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.


I think Special need to make the list for the Terrans, maybe showtime above Lilbow too. And you are missing Stephano.
Edit: Nerchio as a case for it too
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-23 16:40:14
November 23 2018 16:39 GMT
#233
On November 24 2018 01:37 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.



Hmmmm...interesting that you have Ret in that list but no Stephano.


ooooops hahaha forgot about him. Too many legends in SC2 history.

Special too
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
November 23 2018 16:39 GMT
#234
On November 24 2018 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.

Nerchio > Ret 100%

But Ret basically = Idra
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16044 Posts
November 23 2018 16:40 GMT
#235
On November 24 2018 01:39 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:38 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote:
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.

Five best foreign Terrans
1. Thorzain
2. Jinro
3. uThermal
4.Lucifron
5. Bunny

Five Best Foreign Protosses
1. Neeb
2. Naniwa
3. Huk
4. Mana
5. Lilbow

Five Best Foreign Zergs:
1. Serral
2. Snute
3. Scarlett
4. IdrA
5. Ret

I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.

Nerchio > Ret 100%

But Ret basically = Idra

yeah both out and Steph and Nerch in.
1. Serral
2. Stephano
3. Snute
4. Scarlett
5. Nerchio
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1797 Posts
November 23 2018 16:41 GMT
#236
Greatest foreign zergs of all time:
1. Serral
2. Stephano
3. Haypro
4. Snute
5. ActionJesuz
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
November 23 2018 16:41 GMT
#237
On November 24 2018 01:41 Zzzapper wrote:
Greatest foreign zergs of all time:
1. Serral
2. Stephano
3. Haypro
4. Snute
5. ActionJesuz


Lol JonnyRecco not even in
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
November 23 2018 16:42 GMT
#238
As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
November 23 2018 16:42 GMT
#239
On November 24 2018 01:41 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:41 Zzzapper wrote:
Greatest foreign zergs of all time:
1. Serral
2. Stephano
3. Haypro
4. Snute
5. ActionJesuz


Lol JonnyRecco not even in

Ziktomini anyone??
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
November 23 2018 16:43 GMT
#240
On November 24 2018 01:41 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2018 01:41 Zzzapper wrote:
Greatest foreign zergs of all time:
1. Serral
2. Stephano
3. Haypro
4. Snute
5. ActionJesuz


Lol JonnyRecco not even in

Or Ziktomini.

These freaking zoomers.
why even
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