On July 22 2018 13:06 chipmonklord17 wrote: I forgot they were even still doing nestea awards
Because that's how long it's been since anyone has won it. Sort of makes the award mean something all by itself.
Yea I just saw soO is the 8th. Also I'm glad Major prepared only for Zerg. He likely has to beat both of them to get out, where maybe he can dodge keen
On July 22 2018 13:06 chipmonklord17 wrote: I forgot they were even still doing nestea awards
Because that's how long it's been since anyone has won it. Sort of makes the award mean something all by itself.
Yea I just saw soO is the 8th. Also I'm glad Major prepared only for Zerg. He likely has to beat both of them to get out, where maybe he can dodge keen
It's unlikely. Keen is SO not favored vs Rogue it's hilarious. The only way Major dodges Keen is if he 2-0's the group.
On July 22 2018 13:34 Moobutt wrote: noregret probably shouldn't joke about North Korea alarms..... Wait, do South Koreans make jokes about the whole situation? Or is it too serious?
Not a single South Korean has ever cracked a North Korea joke in sixty years. Ever.
On July 22 2018 13:34 Moobutt wrote: noregret probably shouldn't joke about North Korea alarms..... Wait, do South Koreans make jokes about the whole situation? Or is it too serious?
On July 22 2018 13:34 Moobutt wrote: noregret probably shouldn't joke about North Korea alarms..... Wait, do South Koreans make jokes about the whole situation? Or is it too serious?
Don't worry. A lot of South Koreans don't take North Korea seriously. Be it due to desensitization or something else. Actually, I find it weird that people outside of Korea take North Korea so seriously.
On July 22 2018 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: If any foreigner were ever to win a GSL it would be major
Because he will participate in it till it actually dies?
Because he basically plays like a Korean Terran. Because he excels at the planed series and not the weekender type things. I don't think any other foreigner has the skillset, or at least to the extent major does.
Don't get me wrong, I doubt he'll ever win one, but if some time traveling person came from the future and told me a foreigner won the GSL and would kill me unless I guessed which one, my guess would be Major.
On July 21 2018 16:26 Moobutt wrote: Okay just spent way too much time looking into this on a hunch.
Neeb advancing to the round of 16 makes it the first time since 2011 that TWO foreigners have made it to the Ro16 together. If Special can win his matches tomorrow, it would be the first time a Code Ro16 had 3 foreigners.
Special just has to beat the best (arguably) Zerg in the world to make foreigner history.
Damn Special! I haven't been impressed in him in a while, but that was a really good series from him. I know it's Special's thing, but it's rare to see a foreigner out mind game any Korean
I think mech vs swarm host has improved a lot recently from the Terran side while the zergs have failed to adapt. But also, soO is a pretty mediocre example of SH usage haha, I feel like he knows he's weak against mech and picked it up as a "maybe I should try this since my usual play isn't working."
On July 22 2018 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: If any foreigner were ever to win a GSL it would be major
Because he will participate in it till it actually dies?
Because he basically plays like a Korean Terran. Because he excels at the planed series and not the weekender type things. I don't think any other foreigner has the skillset, or at least to the extent major does.
Don't get me wrong, I doubt he'll ever win one, but if some time traveling person came from the future and told me a foreigner won the GSL and would kill me unless I guessed which one, my guess would be Major.
Fair point. The big advantage I see for Neeb and Serral over Major is that both have had higher peaks, and are 5 years younger than Major, which is huge in progaming
Major at age 25 isn't young - you could argue he's in the final stage of his career
On July 22 2018 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: If any foreigner were ever to win a GSL it would be major
Because he will participate in it till it actually dies?
Because he basically plays like a Korean Terran. Because he excels at the planed series and not the weekender type things. I don't think any other foreigner has the skillset, or at least to the extent major does.
Don't get me wrong, I doubt he'll ever win one, but if some time traveling person came from the future and told me a foreigner won the GSL and would kill me unless I guessed which one, my guess would be Major.
Fair point. The big advantage I see for Neeb and Serral over Major is that both have had higher peaks, and are 5 years younger than Major, which is huge in progaming
Major at age 25 isn't young - you could argue he's in the final stage of his career
Honestly I doubt serral will ever be in the GSL, not because I don't think he'd qualify, but I don't think he's gonna try. The other thing that can't be overstated when you talk about the GSL is you have to want to live in Korea for months if not years, and that's another thing Special is willing to do above most others.
On July 22 2018 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote: If any foreigner were ever to win a GSL it would be major
Because he will participate in it till it actually dies?
Because he basically plays like a Korean Terran. Because he excels at the planed series and not the weekender type things. I don't think any other foreigner has the skillset, or at least to the extent major does.
Don't get me wrong, I doubt he'll ever win one, but if some time traveling person came from the future and told me a foreigner won the GSL and would kill me unless I guessed which one, my guess would be Major.
Fair point. The big advantage I see for Neeb and Serral over Major is that both have had higher peaks, and are 5 years younger than Major, which is huge in progaming
Major at age 25 isn't young - you could argue he's in the final stage of his career
I'm still not convinced that pro players can't keep playing much later than that with proper training and support. eSports is still too young to say for sure. After all, Flash is still doing amazing in BW despite that being even more mechanically demanding than SC2
On July 22 2018 14:01 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: Wow, surprised Speical beat SoO, 2-0 none the less.
Were they good games? Or a thrashing for special?
Game 1: soO took too much damage from an early ghost-hellbat push. Despite Major's best efforts to gift the game back, his use of ghosts was the tipping point
Game 2: A bio fake into mech forced soO into sub-optimal compositions, which Major took advantage of in a mech push
If Keen wins this this group will be insane. Keen looks good early here, but likely not going to pull it off. I am really worried for Special still as he'll have to beat Soo again, IMO.
On July 22 2018 14:06 HoldenC23 wrote: If Keen wins this this group will be insane. Keen looks good early here, but likely not going to pull it off. I am really worried for Special still as he'll have to beat Soo again, IMO.
Will he? I'm not convinced soO gets out of the loser's match no matter how Rogue vs KeeN ends.
On July 22 2018 14:06 HoldenC23 wrote: If Keen wins this this group will be insane. Keen looks good early here, but likely not going to pull it off. I am really worried for Special still as he'll have to beat Soo again, IMO.
Will he? I'm not convinced soO gets out of the loser's match no matter how Rogue vs KeeN ends.
Special is really good TvT I think. I think Special has a better chance v Keen than Soo just based on races. We'll see though obviously haha.
Mass banes seems to be getting really popular these days. It might be super cost-inefficient, but once Zerg has a decent bank/eco lead it's basically impossible to stop them from winning with mass banes.
On July 22 2018 14:26 Proko wrote: pretty anti-climactic here. Keen got trashed both games. he was so busy around the map but it seemed to do nothing.
He was throwing haymakers, he was trying to kill Rogue and it just didn't work.
Keen just never kept growing or went for a timing. He had a ton of pressure, but you still have to go kill Rogue. I think he has 3 choices. TY style mass economy trading, bio tank timing off the back of the pressure, or prepare for late game. He did neither of the 3 and just kinda floundered. Rogue catches up by maxing out and is in a fine position at that point
On July 22 2018 14:48 pvsnp wrote: Mass banes seems to be getting really popular these days. It might be super cost-inefficient, but once Zerg has a decent bank/eco lead it's basically impossible to stop them from winning with mass banes.
I'm not seeing it. Special was dead in the water. It was a statement not a strategy move. He lost a third of his economy by mistake and had a ineffective early game. Rogue coulda made a lot of different things and won. The mass bane was flair.
On July 22 2018 14:55 Moobutt wrote: Special can probably beat KeeN. I don't think he beats soO again though...
soO might figure out he needs speed overlords to combat the strats, but special may have more builds ready for soO and he may also mix in a cheese. I believe in the NA TerraGod.
On July 22 2018 14:49 Proko wrote: wow rogue looks like he's on another level ZvT.
He practices with Maru. That should tell everyone everything.
Yeah, but so do Creator and Cure.
I think Creator just constantly loses to maru, so he doesn't learn much. For cure, I assume the same (?). With rogue, he's also really good in ZvT, giving maru some challenge, and so forth the back and forth exchange between rogue vs maru gives both fo them a positive cycle. I assume rogue's the reason why maru's good and maru's the reason why rogue is good.
Gotta admit, there's something about Rogue's straight-faced whine that is hilarious. Maru has a great poker face too, I'd love to see the two of them standing next to each other just whining about the other guy's race.
On July 22 2018 15:02 pvsnp wrote: Gotta admit, there's something about Rogue's straight-faced whine that is hilarious. Maru has a great poker face too, I'd love to see the two of them standing next to each other just whining about the other guy's race.
They did that with Dark, Classic, and Maru at WESG.
On July 22 2018 15:12 Probe1 wrote: Lose 20 drones Only 7 drones behind
Hold that D button soO lol
He's up 10 drones now. The power of the D key
Unfortunately now soO has to defend this push with no units.
I'm so confused about what KeeN was doing in the early game. Same on upgrades, economy, tech? What. I'm glad Keen just won it out but that looked less clean than it shoulda been.
On July 22 2018 15:12 Probe1 wrote: Lose 20 drones Only 7 drones behind
Hold that D button soO lol
He's up 10 drones now. The power of the D key
Unfortunately now soO has to defend this push with no units.
I'm so confused about what KeeN was doing in the early game. Same on upgrades, economy, tech? What. I'm glad Keen just won it out but that looked less clean than it shoulda been.
It's all good, soO can't play late game to save his life, so being even early on is enough.
On July 22 2018 15:35 fishjie wrote: man that was so sad to see. and soo on the camera looked depressed throughout both series
he should take a break from the game i think its taken too much of a psychological toll on him
This is the last GSL of the season, so he's gonna have a long break if he doesn't qualify for the Super Tournament. Because he's not going to Blizzcon unless he qualifies for it
I once asked in All Things Terran if going multiple SP instead of a bunch of tanks as bio was good vs mech and I was told no. I was already working with the style and doing well, but I'm only D1 so I assumed it was just a lower level skill thing. I'm absolutely sticking with that style now. I like it a lot more than heavy tanks.
On July 22 2018 16:01 Parrek wrote: I once asked in All Things Terran if going multiple SP instead of a bunch of tanks as bio was good vs mech and I was told no. I was already working with the style and doing well, but I'm only D1 so I assumed it was just a lower level skill thing. I'm absolutely sticking with that style now. I like it a lot more than heavy tanks.
What? That doesnt sounds like anybody at ATT would say.
On July 22 2018 16:01 Parrek wrote: I once asked in All Things Terran if going multiple SP instead of a bunch of tanks as bio was good vs mech and I was told no. I was already working with the style and doing well, but I'm only D1 so I assumed it was just a lower level skill thing. I'm absolutely sticking with that style now. I like it a lot more than heavy tanks.
What? That doesnt sounds like anybody at ATT would say.
Eh, they were convinced pros stuck more with tanks. I haven't watched enough TvT because I am not usually watching GSL
On July 22 2018 16:27 Noonius wrote: Happy was, Artosis
Nah, even though i liked Happy, i would say after Thorzain, it has to be Lucifron.
I've always wondered were the Duran brothers actually pros at any point? They always seemed to hover in that grey zone of being signed for 6 months and then leaving when it came to teams
On July 22 2018 16:27 Noonius wrote: Happy was, Artosis
Nah, even though i liked Happy, i would say after Thorzain, it has to be Lucifron.
Was Lucifron ever actually that good though?
Happy was more solid and consistent but i felt that Lucifron had a higher peak in terms of skill.
Happy had the best micro of any foreigner, ever. What he couldn't manage was to macro, he'd win unwinnable engagements with insane micro but had nothing after that
On July 22 2018 16:27 Noonius wrote: Happy was, Artosis
Nah, even though i liked Happy, i would say after Thorzain, it has to be Lucifron.
Was Lucifron ever actually that good though?
Happy was more solid and consistent but i felt that Lucifron had a higher peak in terms of skill.
I still have a hard time taking Happy serious as a top-player. The guy had the worst SCV-macro you find from a pro player.
He would literally find him self at like 28 scv's 8 minutes into the game on 2 bases or something like that and not queing up any (without going for all-in) because he was so busy focussing on micro.
He was however pretty good at micro'ing in specific sitations.
Sad for soo but good to see keen finally make it out of the ro32. I think his play has been above ro32 level since 2017 but he's had unlucky groups or he'd win the first series then lose the rematch to get out of the group.
Man, Special was doing great that game until his whole army got caught out in medivacs. Reminded me of all of Soulkey's mutas dying against Innovation that GSL where he reverse swept him (might have been a WCS Main event rather than GSL).
On July 23 2018 00:36 Trizz wrote: I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse but why not force KR vs World in the """"""GSL vs THE WORLD"""""" tournament? This is just silly and disappointing.
Because the individual tournament is just that. An all star individual tournament. The team event is what you want for only KR vs World matchups.
laranjito could've just dropped in keen's main and won the game early, but he got scared because of a single turret and then he lost his medivacs later on for free. Overall he lost the third game just because he was overly cautious instead of just going for it when at points he was up 20 army supply (60 to 40) and Keen was unlikely to hold.
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