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On February 07 2018 13:43 Topin wrote:
i dont like this mass tanks style. i believe terrean should make 1 or 2 for defense and then go mass bio/drops unless you are doing an all in. i also think that mines dont work anymore so the only way to play right now is mass MMMGV
Don't think that works against any protoss deathball with chronoboosted upgrades
Tbh i'm still waiting for some terran player to display a style that seems to work against protoss without relying on straight up outplaying him with mechanics
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On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest.
In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean.
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On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean.
Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know
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Poll: How many games will scarlett win?4 (8) 33% 0 (6) 25% 2 (6) 25% 1 (3) 13% 3 (1) 4% 24 total votes Your vote: How many games will scarlett win? (Vote): 0
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What do you guys think?
I think Scarlett should make it closer than Major, but who knows sOs looks great
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Really would have have prefered to see mass ranged libs from Special
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On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know
I don't like Serral's style at all against Koreans since he is so macro-heavy. That style works best against players with inferior mechanics, and the biggest difference between foreigners and Koreans is their mechanics.
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On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know
We haven't seen a lot of Scarlett ZvP outside of her vs Neeb and she always struggles against him, so lets wait, maybe she has something.
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On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know
I admit, I have too many memories of Scarlett parlaying an early aggression advantage into 80 drones vs 25 probes into no army and a loss. That was signature Scarlett. It's like shellshock or PTSD. It makes me think she can't be doing as well as she is doing. BUT I STILL HAVE THE DREAM
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On February 07 2018 13:48 JackONeill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:43 Topin wrote:
i dont like this mass tanks style. i believe terrean should make 1 or 2 for defense and then go mass bio/drops unless you are doing an all in. i also think that mines dont work anymore so the only way to play right now is mass MMMGV Don't think that works against any protoss deathball with chronoboosted upgrades
You just have to channel your inner Taeja and never make a big mistake. It is doable.
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On February 07 2018 13:52 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know We haven't seen a lot of Scarlett ZvP outside of her vs Neeb and she always struggles against him, so lets wait, maybe she has something.
Scarlett almost always plays standard macro ZvP. No cheeses, rushes, timing attacks. Which plays into sOs' hands, he'll almost certainly go for some 5-6 minute chargelot/archon aggression, or some other build that no one has ever thought of.
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u consider serral a regular foreigner, but his mechanics and tactics are some of the best for his race.
his multitasking and zergling abuse is seriously underappreciated.
guys, special did his best and prepared hard. u can armchair of hindsight it all you want, but sOs simply had a counter-intuitive style to special's. you build tanks to hit a sharp timing (or to hope they get desperate if they are weaker oppo.), not to sit at home
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On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest.
Zest on the zerg side of the bracket was the best thing that could happen to sOs. I hope Scarlett puts or fight or that we see a total domination so that the final can be fun in one way or another.
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On February 07 2018 13:54 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know We haven't seen a lot of Scarlett ZvP outside of her vs Neeb and she always struggles against him, so lets wait, maybe she has something. Scarlett almost always plays standard macro ZvP. No cheeses, rushes, timing attacks. Which plays into sOs' hands, he'll almost certainly go for some 5-6 minute chargelot/archon aggression, or some other build that no one has ever thought of.
She can throw a fair few cheeses out, usually in the form of ling drops
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On February 07 2018 13:53 Pursuit_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:48 JackONeill wrote:On February 07 2018 13:43 Topin wrote:
i dont like this mass tanks style. i believe terrean should make 1 or 2 for defense and then go mass bio/drops unless you are doing an all in. i also think that mines dont work anymore so the only way to play right now is mass MMMGV Don't think that works against any protoss deathball with chronoboosted upgrades You just have to channel your inner Taeja and never make a big mistake. It is doable.
Worked in WOL, not in LOTV.
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On February 07 2018 13:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:54 Kommander wrote:On February 07 2018 13:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know We haven't seen a lot of Scarlett ZvP outside of her vs Neeb and she always struggles against him, so lets wait, maybe she has something. Scarlett almost always plays standard macro ZvP. No cheeses, rushes, timing attacks. Which plays into sOs' hands, he'll almost certainly go for some 5-6 minute chargelot/archon aggression, or some other build that no one has ever thought of. She can throw a fair few cheeses out, usually in the form of ling drops
Trying to match sOs in the bullshit department is a losing proposition from the get-go
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On February 07 2018 13:54 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know We haven't seen a lot of Scarlett ZvP outside of her vs Neeb and she always struggles against him, so lets wait, maybe she has something. Scarlett almost always plays standard macro ZvP. No cheeses, rushes, timing attacks. Which plays into sOs' hands, he'll almost certainly go for some 5-6 minute chargelot/archon aggression, or some other build that no one has ever thought of.
She does her share of proxy hatches and ling floods (though most often against players she knows well like Neeb).
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On February 07 2018 13:48 JackONeill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:43 Topin wrote:
i dont like this mass tanks style. i believe terrean should make 1 or 2 for defense and then go mass bio/drops unless you are doing an all in. i also think that mines dont work anymore so the only way to play right now is mass MMMGV Don't think that works against any protoss deathball with chronoboosted upgrades Tbh i'm still waiting for some terran player to display a style that seems to work against protoss without relying on straight up outplaying him with mechanics
The way he is playing tanks is just so easy to see and counter for the protoss, he's playing like it's TvZ where midgame armies cannot ever be perfectly crafted to deal with tanks.
I think the biggest thing that was missing unit wise from special was liberators, and the lack of multiprong was really uncharacteristic.
The style he went for is much better suited for the current mass gateway meta, since I do think that terran can afford to sit back and build good splash there, but he saw that SoS was going for a heavy robo deathballish army every game, and played a passive style instead of abusing SoS' immobility
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On February 07 2018 13:56 JackONeill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:53 Pursuit_ wrote:On February 07 2018 13:48 JackONeill wrote:On February 07 2018 13:43 Topin wrote:
i dont like this mass tanks style. i believe terrean should make 1 or 2 for defense and then go mass bio/drops unless you are doing an all in. i also think that mines dont work anymore so the only way to play right now is mass MMMGV Don't think that works against any protoss deathball with chronoboosted upgrades You just have to channel your inner Taeja and never make a big mistake. It is doable. Worked in WOL, not in LOTV.
Worked pretty well in HotS too. Unfortunately the only pro who played the style didn't play much LotV so we never got to see how well it works at the top level in LotV.
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On February 07 2018 13:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 13:54 Kommander wrote:On February 07 2018 13:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:49 Topin wrote:On February 07 2018 13:48 pvsnp wrote:On February 07 2018 13:47 FrkFrJss wrote:On February 07 2018 13:46 pvsnp wrote:
sOs looks to be in excellent form, I don't envy Scarlett right now
I don't wanna say 4-0, but I suspect it might just be that. sOs versus most people in this bracket would be a 4-0/4-1. I think maybe 4-2 against Elazer or Serral. He might have lost against Zest. In his current form I'd say he is definitely one of the top Koreans. And against foreigners, not dropping a single map to foreigners is almost expected of any top Korean. Serral could have won at least 2 games imo... Scarlett on the other hand i really dont know We haven't seen a lot of Scarlett ZvP outside of her vs Neeb and she always struggles against him, so lets wait, maybe she has something. Scarlett almost always plays standard macro ZvP. No cheeses, rushes, timing attacks. Which plays into sOs' hands, he'll almost certainly go for some 5-6 minute chargelot/archon aggression, or some other build that no one has ever thought of. She can throw a fair few cheeses out, usually in the form of ling drops
i remember a nydus in overgrowth
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roach nest with third, overlord speed, lurker hydra ling
that is the name of the game for a standard game for scarlett this set.
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