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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 21:00:09
October 31 2017 20:55 GMT
#41
Really hard to call imo, especially the bottom. Let's have some fun.

Special 3-1 Elazer
soO 3-1 Gumiho
Rogue 3-2 herO
INnoVation 3-0 TY

Special 3-1 soO
INnoVation 3-2 Rogue

Special 4-3 INnoVation
+ Show Spoiler +
(nah just kidding, INnoVation wins 4-0, no matter what Special says happens on ladder)

pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 21:22:24
October 31 2017 21:12 GMT
#42
On November 01 2017 05:29 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 05:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 01 2017 05:02 Fango wrote:
On November 01 2017 04:31 leublix wrote:
On October 31 2017 22:13 DieuCure wrote:
On October 31 2017 22:10 Fango wrote:
Hoping that Inno chokes and makes the tournament competitive tbh. Not sure if he will against TY, but he will choke up against Rogue or herO for sure


TY will win even if INno dont choke

Inno doesn't lose unless he chokes according to fanboys.


In all honestly. Inno in good form is better than TY, herO, soO, or Rogue. I can't see a world where he loses without choking. And I'm far from an Inno fanboy, I've been arguing against his GOAT status all year


Depends on how liberal you are with labeling a loss as "choking". He could simply play worse than herO or Rogue and lose very normally.


Which he definitely does from time to time. Innovation is an amazing player but I could see him easily losing to Rogue or herO at the very least, even without "choking". They can both compete with Innovation at his best, and anything can happen in sc2 when the players are so skilled and decisive as both Rogue and especially herO are.


Inno losing to Rogue and/or herO is perfectly reasonable, just as Inno defeating Rogue and/or herO is also perfectly reasonable. All three of them (in their current form) are dead even in my eyes, and any one of them could win or lose to the other two on any given day.

That being the case, I would say that peak Inno outclasses both of them. Neither Rogue nor herO have shown the kind of outright dominance that Inno has shown himself capable of displaying when he is in peak form. For instance, the number of utterly onesided beatdowns that Inno has dished out in the finals is more than that of herO and Rogue put together.

When Inno is at his peak, he doesn't lose unless he chokes. I don't think current Inno is peak Inno, though.



Personally, I would say Rogue has a very narrow edge over herO, Inno has a very narrow edge over Rogue, and herO has a very narrow edge over Inno. Rogue demonstrated that he can defeat herO in long series at IEM and the Super Tournament. If Inno doesn't give Rogue freewins by going mech, I would favor him slightly in bio TvZ. And herO's cheese strikes at the weakest part of Inno's style. So that leaves us with Rogue > herO > Inno > Rogue.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
October 31 2017 22:39 GMT
#43
who cares 3-X
who cares 3-X
who cares 3-X
inno 3-0

who cares 3-X
inno 3-0

Inno 4-0
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 23:09:42
October 31 2017 23:08 GMT
#44
On November 01 2017 07:39 Shellshock wrote:
who cares 3-X
who cares 3-X
who cares 3-X
inno 3-0

who cares 3-X
inno 3-0

Inno 4-0



This is such a good way to put things.

Edit/ also pvnsp I'm a fan of nearly everything you write these days
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 31 2017 23:43 GMT
#45
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
November 01 2017 00:23 GMT
#46
On November 01 2017 08:43 Boggyb wrote:
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr


this finals would be such a smack down
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 02:40:28
November 01 2017 02:39 GMT
#47
On November 01 2017 09:23 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 08:43 Boggyb wrote:
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr


this finals would be such a smack down

I think whoever gets out of the bottom bracket is almost certainly winning in 5 games or fewer against whoever comes out of the top bracket.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 03:00:35
November 01 2017 02:59 GMT
#48
On November 01 2017 11:39 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 09:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:43 Boggyb wrote:
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr


this finals would be such a smack down

I think whoever gets out of the bottom bracket is almost certainly winning in 5 games or fewer against whoever comes out of the top bracket.

The only exception to this would be a soO vs Rogue finals (please god no ZvZ final).
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 01 2017 04:16 GMT
#49
Major
soO
Rogue
INnoVation
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17877 Posts
November 01 2017 05:33 GMT
#50
On November 01 2017 05:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Special 4-3 INnoVation

if Special takes it all on Saturday night... i'm not sleepin'
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VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
November 01 2017 08:36 GMT
#51
I'm cheering first for one of the non-koreans to make it to the finals (mega hype! I see Special as a better candidate, but i don't know Elazer enough honestly..), and for hero to advance as far as possible (hero winning it all would be one of the best results for me ) - gogo the last Protoss!!!
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16095 Posts
November 01 2017 09:24 GMT
#52
On November 01 2017 11:39 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 09:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:43 Boggyb wrote:
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr


this finals would be such a smack down

I think whoever gets out of the bottom bracket is almost certainly winning in 5 games or fewer against whoever comes out of the top bracket.

TY vs MajOr?
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 10:47:00
November 01 2017 10:46 GMT
#53
Special 3-0 Elazer
soO 0-3 Gumiho
Rogue 3-1 herO
INnoVation 3-2 TY

Special 3-0 Gumiho
INnoVation 3-2 Rogue

Special 4-0 INnoVation
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 11:44:57
November 01 2017 11:44 GMT
#54
(T)MajOr 3-2 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-1 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 0-3 (Z)soO
(T)INnoVation 3-2 (Z)Rogue

(T)INnoVation 4-2 (Z)soO

I think something like this will happen, hope for a soO win though tbh (and depending on the match vs gumiho it might actually be realistic as well, we'll see)
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
November 01 2017 11:54 GMT
#55
I'll bee so much for Rogue in ro8 and against him in ro4 (if INno goes through TY ofc)
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
November 01 2017 12:42 GMT
#56
On November 01 2017 18:24 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 11:39 Boggyb wrote:
On November 01 2017 09:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:43 Boggyb wrote:
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr


this finals would be such a smack down

I think whoever gets out of the bottom bracket is almost certainly winning in 5 games or fewer against whoever comes out of the top bracket.

TY vs MajOr?

If TY beats INnoVation and Rogue or herO, he'll have regained the form he didn't have when they first played.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 13:00:36
November 01 2017 13:00 GMT
#57
On November 01 2017 21:42 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 18:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 01 2017 11:39 Boggyb wrote:
On November 01 2017 09:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:43 Boggyb wrote:
(T)MajOr 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(T)GuMiho 3-1 (Z)soO
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (P)herO
(T)INnoVation 3-1 (T)TY

(T)MajOr 3-2 (T)GuMiho
(Z)Rogue 3-2 (T)INnoVation

(Z)Rogue 4-0 (T)MajOr


this finals would be such a smack down

I think whoever gets out of the bottom bracket is almost certainly winning in 5 games or fewer against whoever comes out of the top bracket.

TY vs MajOr?

If TY beats INnoVation and Rogue or herO, he'll have regained the form he didn't have when they first played.


Or INno/Rogue/herO will catch the flu by the time they met TY
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 01 2017 13:12 GMT
#58
Rogue is the only zerg I like left in the tournament so ROGUE FIGHTING
Zerg for Life
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
November 01 2017 13:12 GMT
#59
On November 01 2017 20:54 Mun_Su wrote:
I'll bee so much for Rogue in ro8 and against him in ro4 (if INno goes through TY ofc)


so you want a zvz finals
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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
November 01 2017 13:24 GMT
#60
On November 01 2017 22:12 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 20:54 Mun_Su wrote:
I'll bee so much for Rogue in ro8 and against him in ro4 (if INno goes through TY ofc)


so you want a zvz finals

Inno is gonna pick Zerg in the finals because ZvZ is literally a 50% coinflip while his TvZ is 10% winrate?
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