EPT
GSL vs. The World
Streams
Format
- Single Elimination Bracket:
- All matches are Bo5.
- Finals are Bo7.
Matches
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[GSL vs. The World] Round of 16 - Day 1
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Poll: Stats vs herO Stats Wins (44) hero Wins (43) 87 total votes Your vote: Stats vs herO Poll: Special vs Kelazhur Special Wins (56) Kelazhur Wins (20) 76 total votes Your vote: Special vs Kelazhur Poll: Innovation vs iAsonu Innovation Wins (70) iAsonu Wins (10) 80 total votes Your vote: Innovation vs iAsonu Poll: Serral vs Byun Byun Wins (55) Serral Wins (27) 82 total votes Your vote: Serral vs Byun Poll: 4 Foreigners Play, How Many Advance? 0 (KESPA stop them all) (39) 1 (32) 2 (12) 4 (Kespa Make them all Korean Citizens) (5) 3 (1) 89 total votes Your vote: 4 Foreigners Play, How Many Advance? (Vote): 1 | ||
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Ej_
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
620 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
From these, although I am not a fan of ByuN, nor a fan of Serral, I look forward primarily to their match, as only this is the real - great Korean player vs. great foreigner. All other really interesting Korean vs. Foreigner matches happen first on the next day. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On August 02 2017 17:16 Pandemona wrote: LOL oh yeah i forget that the 0 can't kinda happen xD That didn't stop a majority of people voting for it. :D | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 02 2017 19:17 sneakyfox wrote: That didn't stop a majority of people voting for it. :D If anyone of Kela/Major wins, they will ask for asylum in Korea, so it still will be 0 foreigners progressing :-) | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On August 02 2017 20:08 DBooN wrote: This poll is confusing. It says 3 foreigners play when there are 4 and lists "0" and "all" as choices, which are both impossible (though 3 is possible but that's not all of them) Yeah fixed, i messed that one up XD | ||
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maruzest
Korea (South)87 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 02 2017 22:48 Weavel wrote: This is honestly most hype event besides blizzcon for me. Serral fighting! I'm of the complete opposite opinion. If it were an event where players earned their spots on their play rather than their popularity, I'd be of a different mind, but scrubs like ByuN, Dark, and Scarlett shouldn't be there. | ||
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vult
United States9399 Posts
On August 02 2017 23:53 Boggyb wrote: I'm of the complete opposite opinion. If it were an event where players earned their spots on their play rather than their popularity, I'd be of a different mind, but scrubs like ByuN, Dark, and Scarlett shouldn't be there. Yes because the latest two Blizzcon finalists are scrubs and shouldn't be there. What are you on? | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 02 2017 22:48 Weavel wrote: This is honestly most hype event besides blizzcon for me. Serral fighting! Absolutely. This will be great. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 03 2017 01:29 Nebuchad wrote: Gonna go with Stats Major Inno Serral like a boss. I can see that happen tbh, serral beating byun would also make me happy :D | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 03 2017 00:52 vult wrote: Yes because the latest two Blizzcon finalists are scrubs and shouldn't be there. What are you on? Form is temporary, class is permanent. Neither are the players they were last year. Neither are top 2 or 3 in their race at this moment or over the last few months. When the players were chosen, you couldn't really have made a strong argument that ByuN was better than the 5th or 6th Terran in Korea. His performance at IEM at the fact that reapers were nerfed doesn't really change that too much. Dark might be 2nd among Zerg in WCS points, but I wouldn't have ranked him above Rogue or Solar. I'd almost have included ByuL with his performance last SSL but failing to make GSL and his performance this season in SSL make that hard to justify. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 03 2017 00:52 vult wrote: Yes because the latest two Blizzcon finalists are scrubs and shouldn't be there. What are you on? That was last year. There's a good chance neither of them make it to blizzcon again this year On August 03 2017 02:23 Boggyb wrote: Dark might be 2nd among Zerg in WCS points, but I wouldn't have ranked him above Rogue or Solar. I'd almost have included ByuL with his performance last SSL but failing to make GSL and his performance this season in SSL make that hard to justify. Wasn't ByuL really sick the week of the GSL qualifiers? Someone mentioned it when he lost 3-0 to Snute a few days after that he hadn't been well. I wouldn't hold the loss against him, his SSL results are fair game though | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
Stats ? herO (Honestly, seems like 50/50 to me, but I don't really follow korea that much anymore) SpeCial 3-1 Kelazhur (SpeCial holds a solid 19-11 lead, and has won every Bo5 they've played in Copa America) INnoVation 3-1 iAsonu (iAsonu probably cheeses a map, honestly INno's form seems kinda sus but shouldnt be too bad) Serral 1-3 ByuN (Serral needs to really improve his ZvT, but he could make this interesting if he does.) Neeb 3-2 sOs (Who the fuck knows with sOs, man, but Neeb's been pretty clutch in PvP) TY 3-1 Scarlett (Should be a really, really fantastic set that seems far closer than it actually is) Nerchio 2-3 Dark (Probably the biggest upset potential. Hard to say, both player's forms are kinda hard to predict.) soO 3-1 ShoWTimE (Sleeper matchup, should be a lot of fun, but soO is quite good at ZvP) | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
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iamho
United States3345 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
MajOr - Kelazhur 3-1 INnoVation - iAsonu 3-0 Serral - Byun 3-1 | ||
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Meeii
155 Posts
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
 Stats 3 - 1 HerO MajOr 3 - 1 KelazhurINnoVation 3 - 0  iAsonuByuN 3 - 1 Serral | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States763 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Stats 2:3 herOMajOr 3:1 KelazhurINnoVation 3:2 iAsonuSerral 0-3: ByuNNeeb 3:1 sOsTY 3:2 ScarlettNerchio 3:2 DarksoO 3:2 ShoWTimE | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 03 2017 08:16 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: just realized how crappy the start times are for me... Yup, it starts at the most not NA-friendly time sadly. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1799 Posts
On August 03 2017 08:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Yup, it starts at the most not NA-friendly time sadly. I'll be waking up at 4/4/2/2 AM. Recaps must be written. | ||
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On August 03 2017 10:16 droppanda wrote: Why is there no foreigner in the first matchup? yeah I thought it was kind of weird that there's a KR vs KR and a foreigner vs foreigner first round match when it's supposed to be Korea vs the World. Guess they didnt want the rest of the world knocked out in the Ro16? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 03 2017 11:13 Shellshock wrote: yeah I thought it was kind of weird that there's a KR vs KR and a foreigner vs foreigner first round match when it's supposed to be Korea vs the World. Guess they didnt want the rest of the world knocked out in the Ro16? It's GSL vs The World though, if we go just by name then some of the foreigners should be on team GSL. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On August 03 2017 11:15 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's GSL vs The World though, if we go just by name then some of the foreigners should be on team GSL. that's true. but even if you did that we have 2 GSL foreigners facing each other in Major vs Kelazhur so it doesnt work out | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
Major 3-1 Kelazhur INnoVation 3-0 iAsonu Serral 2-3 ByuN Neeb 3-2 sOs (I kinda expect sOs to win, since he's a tricky PvP opponent, this is more a heart pick) TY 3-1 Scarlett Nerchio 0-3 Dark soO 3-0 ShoWTimE (so dominant zvp vs a player who is a shadow of his former self) | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On August 02 2017 17:11 Ej_ wrote: 0 foreigners advance, KeSPA has both MajOr and Kelazhur killed LOL | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 03 2017 03:24 [PkF] Wire wrote: Didn't notice NesTea and Stephano would captain GSL and foreign teams. That's awesome. I want Nestea to send himself out first and all-kill foreigners Just read it wasn't all-kill format, fuck it I want him to all-kill anyway dammit | ||
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ByuuN
Poland678 Posts
herO[jOin] 3-2 StatsMajOr 3-1 KelazhurINnoVation 3-0 iAsonuByuN 3-0 Serral | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On August 03 2017 12:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Boy you all are gonna be shocked when Serral dumpsters Byun 3-0. nah i already called it and im not even from Finland | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On August 03 2017 12:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Boy you all are gonna be shocked when Serral dumpsters Byun 3-0. uthermal confirmed > byun? | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
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qwerty259
United States3 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 03 2017 14:04 usopsama wrote: I will be swimming in delicious foreigner tears all tournament-long. I can't stop drooling. Or...you know, you could just cheer for good matches on either side regardless of who wins. I mean, I have people I want to do well, but I'll enjoy the tournament and hope the series are fun and entertaining. | ||
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maruzest
Korea (South)87 Posts
I don't know if it hints at team match entry or not. | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
Go ByuN tho, sorry Serral | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 03 2017 13:07 ParksonVN wrote: lol how can any of you vote Serral over ByuN ? I mean his TvZ isnt that amazing but didn't he just beat Elazer whom TvZ is no worse than Serral's ? Byun is the favourite, which is why I'm going to look like a boss afterwards for having chosen Serral. But Elazer's ZvT is clearly worse than Serral's, fwiw. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
http://aligulac.com/players/5847/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=t&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= Wouldn't say it's "clearly worse" when Elazer takes maps and series off Korean Terrans and Serral drops maps to Optimus. | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2017 17:37 Nebuchad wrote: Byun is the favourite, which is why I'm going to look like a boss afterwards for having chosen Serral. But Elazer's ZvT is clearly worse than Serral's, fwiw. This is a big match for Serral's career. He really wants to take it 5 games, and actually winning the series would give him a good argument for 'best foreigner' as he might be the 2nd foreign player to really figure out ZvT. It's a ZvT arms race at this point. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:00 Soularion wrote: This is a big match for Serral's career. He really wants to take it 5 games, and actually winning the series would give him a good argument for 'best foreigner' as he might be the 2nd foreign player to really figure out ZvT. It's a ZvT arms race at this point. nah ByuN will B him TFO | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
MajOr: black polo with the logo probably sewn or sticked on | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
ByuN did seem a little off against Elazer, but he played great in IEM Shanghai, so my issue is that I'm not sure if Serral can replicate the ingenuity that worked for Elazer (the ling counterattack in g1, a lot of the early game stuff to hold off the pushes until, y'know, 78/200) and he'll probably die trying to play 'standard' and just getting out-mechanic'd. | ||
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Durnuu
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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highsis
259 Posts
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:04 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: LOL IT'S A GSL SEASON 1 OPENER "ROAR BY TREAT" ORCHESTRAL COVER I can't believe I'm the only one that pointed this out I feel so old-school (im the cool guy here :^) ) | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:04 Soularion wrote: ByuN did seem a little off against Elazer, but he played great in IEM Shanghai, so my issue is that I'm not sure if Serral can replicate the ingenuity that worked for Elazer (the ling counterattack in g1, a lot of the early game stuff to hold off the pushes until, y'know, 78/200) and he'll probably die trying to play 'standard' and just getting out-mechanic'd. What ingenuiny, the fuck? ByuN just played like poop on Abyssal and then stepped up and broke the foreigner in half. There's no way around that. He will do the same to Serral here. You can't play around "mechanics" nowadays, it's not 2011. And especially not in ZvT where macro, multitasking and unit control is everything. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 03 2017 17:43 Ej_ wrote: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=t&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= http://aligulac.com/players/5847/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=t&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= Wouldn't say it's "clearly worse" when Elazer takes maps and series off Korean Terrans and Serral drops maps to Optimus. Okay, I'll remove the "clearly" and go to "most likely worse", it'll do fine. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:07 xelnaga_empire wrote: The stream in the header of this thread is pointing to the wrong stream. Mods should fix this. Yeah should be https://www.twitch.tv/gsl instead. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:06 Ej_ wrote: What ingenuiny, the fuck? ByuN just played like poop on Abyssal and then stepped up and broke the foreigner in half. There's no way around that. He will do the same to Serral here. You can't play around "mechanics" nowadays, it's not 2011. And especially not in ZvT where macro, multitasking and unit control is everything. Elazer played much better on Abyssal than you're giving him credit for, and the next two maps were largely lost not because of some craziness by ByuN but instead because of some pretty terrible macro mistakes by Elazer that stopped him from having enough units. My argument is that Serral will be unable to put himself in a good enough position to capitalize on ByuN's pushes, the way Elazer did on Abyssal, and will instead largely engage ByuN a lot more- which probably won't work because ByuN is a much better mechanical player than he is. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
Any clue what it was? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
only in GSL | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:09 207aicila wrote: Hey I remember this intro song from GSL July 2011. Blood Stain Child, pretty good band. Yeah should be https://www.twitch.tv/gsl instead. Was that the Treat one or the glam metalish van halen sounding one? know the song? | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:16 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: Was that the Treat one or the glam metalish van halen sounding one? know the song? No idea what you mean. This is the song I was referring to. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
The Dream. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:20 Soularion wrote: herO - from IEM Shanghai finalist to getting 3-0'd by DTs. The Dream. Makes sense, he didn't have to play PvP in Shanghai  That countdown ticking sound is AWFUL btw (this) | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 17:34 DBooN wrote: I guess we're gonna find out if Byuns 3rax reaper after the nerf is on par with uthermals 3rax reaper before the nerf. Reaper has been nerfed again or you are talking about the old nerf? | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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Ej_
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:27 Elentos wrote: Wow, made it home and only missed 1 game. Not a very interesting one either. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:24 Lorning wrote: Is that Rotti casting GSL :o Yes they flew in Rotti and iNcontroL, I imagine as casters representing WCS / "The World". Good idea imo. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:27 Ej_ wrote: Foreign championships aren't an indicator of skill. You're gonna trigger Taeja fans | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
They deserve it. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:21 Poopi wrote: Reaper has been nerfed again or you are talking about the old nerf? I'm talking about this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/525314-lotv-balance-update-and-request-for-feedback | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:34 AzAlexZ wrote: 3-0 lol, gg herO Oh the irony... That engagement though. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:34 DBooN wrote: I'm talking about this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/525314-lotv-balance-update-and-request-for-feedback Crap, reaper were kinda shitty already and now they're probably nerfed to the ground :/. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:37 Poopi wrote: Crap, reaper were kinda shitty already and now they're probably nerfed to the ground :/. Thank god | ||
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Kashim
Poland1117 Posts
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Hephaistas89
38 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:37 Poopi wrote: Crap, reaper were kinda shitty already and now they're probably nerfed to the ground :/. Shitty?:') | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
Terran bias is something else | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
What's going wrong? herO committed to double forge and still attacked like a complete idiot | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Come on now. We all know Poopi bias is a seperate level from regular Terran bias. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
there is no terran bias, the truth is that 3 rax reaper in lower leagues is just garbage because the lack of proper micro | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:43 Phredxor wrote: Nice power rank TL. Lul. TL writers being wrong. What else is new | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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CynicalDeath
Italy3057 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
Yes. Its strength doesn't lie in the intrinsic capacities of the reaper but by what choices it forces the zerg to make. That means that they are shit in themselves but in the early game dynamic of TvZ, they are very powerful. | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
good to see even Sojung and NASL sound guy are present! | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:46 Penev wrote: finally able to watch some starcraft again good to see even Sojung and NASL sound guy are present! Just needs an Mvp vs MKP finals | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
RIP | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
I'd be ok with that | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
If you like watching diamond players play against each other, I would advise watching LRSL | ||
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sharkie
Austria18315 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:46 Poopi wrote: Yes. Its strength doesn't lie in the intrinsic capacities of the reaper but by what choices it forces the zerg to make. That means that they are shit in themselves but in the early game dynamic of TvZ, they are very powerful. You should be a politician. | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
and gom player requirement | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
ha ha | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
you think he is like, smart? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:51 sharkie wrote: So I read somewhere that herO has strong PvP. I only loled at that It's been his strongest matchup last month http://aligulac.com/players/233/results/?after=2017-07-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:49 Noonius wrote: they're playing Evanescence? Finally something good Hahahahahaha. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:51 Durnuu wrote: If you like watching diamond players play against each other, I would advise watching LRSL burn the heretic!!! | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
Touché. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
yeah, I'm gonna have to report you for that | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 18:57 Ej_ wrote: These 2 were terrible interviews. Worse than Maru or Bogus. Faceless foreigners man | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
I guess at least it doesn't use Daybreak. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Penev
28440 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:02 Heartland wrote: that was one of the worst scv defences I've seen as foreigners they should have a handicap | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
They have a handicap, they play each other | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:03 Penev wrote: I'm getting used to Special, I hope he switches again soon I think his next one should be CuteAngel | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:03 Heartland wrote: They have a handicap, they play each other ooooooooh, snap | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:04 Elentos wrote: Has Kelazhur never played this map btw? He literally put the proxy in the default scouting path. It's the opposite of well hidden. only noobs SCV scout | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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Felissie
19 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:05 Felissie wrote: Well. They use ladders map pool so I guess that's fine. As far as I know Whirlwind isn't in the ladder map pool and neither is Newkirk | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:05 Durnuu wrote: As far as I know Whirlwind isn't in the map pool and neither is Newkirk Not yet. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 03 2017 19:04 Heartland wrote: OMG it turned off Lock-on so strong it can't kill liberators in 1 go. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:05 Noonius wrote: stuff dies faster in silver Cuz players in Silver don't have the APM to stop a Cyclone before it's done killing. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
What a throwback to Super Tournament 2011 | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:06 Noonius wrote: is a random raven popping out equivalent to a random swarmhost? Nah, Ravens are always good. That's what we've been saying in the LR since 2010 after all | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Penev
28440 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:09 Makro wrote: is it me or the venue is half empty ? it's half full Makro | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
fuck, I was just about to say that | ||
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AlexGPunkt
Germany258 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 19:18 Inflicted wrote: This counts as a GSL victory As legitimate as Zest's GSL trophy over PartinG | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:18 Ej_ wrote: As legitimate as Zest's GSL trophy over PartinG Does the winner get a pin ? That's all we need to know | ||
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ypslala
Burma545 Posts
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Penev
28440 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:18 Inflicted wrote: This counts as a GSL victory of course | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
... Time for iAsonu to 3-2 in like a 90 minute series? | ||
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Elentos
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:19 ypslala wrote: guys, the opening post shows the wrong stream link We know. We aren't moderators. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:21 Durnuu wrote: Oh it's whirlwind, disappointing. I wanted to see proxy reapers Both should have tried proxy in the XelNaga at the same time. No balls. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:19 ypslala wrote: guys, the opening post shows the wrong stream link should be good now | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:21 Durnuu wrote: Oh it's whirlwind, disappointing. I wanted to see proxy reapers This is where we roll a clip called 'Previously, on Whirlwind...' showing the best and worst proxy reaper rushes on Whirlwind | ||
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:24 Elentos wrote: This is where we roll a clip called 'Previously, on Whirlwind...' showing the best and worst proxy reaper rushes on Whirlwind Maru vs Gumiho never forget | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:25 GumBa wrote: Finally I can watch a GSL event cause we have white people. I love white people I cheer for them and I feel connected with them because they are white. Shame this isn't a WCS only event. Fucking foreigners stealing korean money | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
Invading and stealing is our culture. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:25 GumBa wrote: Finally I can watch a GSL event cause we have white people. I love white people I cheer for them and I feel connected with them because they are white. Shame this isn't a WCS only event. Shame uThermal isn't there, he's the most relatable for you. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Anglosaxons, born from Romans fucking wild animals. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
And our legacy | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:28 Elentos wrote: Shame uThermal isn't there, he's the most relatable for you. Good ole schlappi | ||
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:25 GumBa wrote: Finally I can watch a GSL event cause we have white people. I love white people I cheer for them and I feel connected with them because they are white. Shame this isn't a WCS only event. Even tho you are trolling the main problem that people have with koreans is that it's hard to interact with them because of language barrier, so you can't even hope to "talk" to them if you were to go to an event live or something. Doesn't help. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:30 GumBa wrote: 1st ro16 for a foreigner in korea this year BTW Gonna be 1st ro8 too, THE GAP IS CLOSING | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:30 GumBa wrote: 1st ro16 for a foreigner in korea this year BTW Neeb is going for his 2nd triple crown this event. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
The system works! | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:30 Poopi wrote: Even tho you are trolling the main problem that people have with koreans is that it's hard to interact with them because of language barrier, so you can't even hope to "talk" to them if you were to go to an event live or something. Doesn't help. I've interacted with soO more this past year than any other not Polish progamer. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:30 Poopi wrote: Even tho you are trolling the main problem that people have with koreans is that it's hard to interact with them because of language barrier, so you can't even hope to "talk" to them if you were to go to an event live or something. Doesn't help. Starcraft is a universal language | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:32 Elentos wrote: Remember 6 minutes ago when Tasteless was saying this game was death by a thousand cuts for Major? A death by a million fingernail pokes, it is. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:32 Ej_ wrote: I've interacted with soO more this past year than any other not Polish progamer. your uncle is working at starcraft ? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:32 Ej_ wrote: I've interacted with soO more this past year than any other not Polish progamer. wow ur basically a starcraft celebrity | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:32 Elentos wrote: Remember 6 minutes ago when Tasteless was saying this game was death by a thousand cuts for Major? You can't expect Tasteless to know what's going on. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
No, but he appreciated that I remember his game vs Myungsik on Echo when he mentioned it on stream. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:30 Poopi wrote: Even tho you are trolling the main problem that people have with koreans is that it's hard to interact with them because of language barrier, so you can't even hope to "talk" to them if you were to go to an event live or something. Doesn't help. The main problem for casuals who don't care about the game so much as they care about random irrelevant shit * Fixed that for you. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:35 Noonius wrote: now, who doesn't like tvt? It sucks on ladder. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:35 Noonius wrote: now, who doesn't like tvt? Terran players that play the game | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
It sucks everywhere. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
Not in the past. Or BW. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Oh man watching Fighting Spirit split in half as nobody can do anything for 20 minutes of battlecruisers parked over turrets is the real pinnacle of TvT indeed | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15869 Posts
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Penev
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:39 Ej_ wrote: Oh man watching Fighting Spirit split in half as nobody can do anything for 20 minutes of battlecruisers parked over turrets is the real pinnacle of TvT indeed BW TvT is amazing you heathen. Scan was playing crazy games on stream last few nights. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:40 Charoisaur wrote: Don't get the TvT hate. Inno vs Maru was amazing as well as Inno vs aLive earlier this year. Inno vs aLive, where Inno proxy reapered alive twice and won 2-0 ? | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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fastr
France901 Posts
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:40 Charoisaur wrote: Don't get the TvT hate. Inno vs Maru was amazing as well as Inno vs aLive earlier this year. Nobody cares that there are great ZvZ games every now and then, they care about all the awful ones in between. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:42 Elentos wrote: Nobody cares that there are great ZvZ games every now and then, they only care about all the awful ones in between. Not to mention the shitty ladder experience | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:33 207aicila wrote: The main problem for casuals who don't care about the game so much as they care about random irrelevant shit * Fixed that for you. Being a fan and being casual or hardcore have little to do with each other imo ^^ | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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New Zealand15076 Posts
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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yht9657
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:42 Poopi wrote: Being a fan and being casual or hardcore have little to do with each other imo ^^ If you're a fan you care about the game above all else. Top plays by top players regardless of nationality, personality or drama (especially forced drama in eSports). | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 Phredxor wrote: Is there even 10 Terran pros in the world? After Naama and Fuzer retiring I don't think so. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:41 GumBa wrote: Wow sojung Is Sojung not kind of nicer? Kind of slimier? | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 GumBa wrote: TOP 10 TERRAN TopTenTerran | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 Phredxor wrote: Is there even 10 Terran pros in the world? Just look at aligulac's top 10 players, there are quite a few there | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:44 Durnuu wrote: Just look at aligulac's top 10 players, there are quite a few there Are Protoss Players Even Real If Their ELO Isn't Real | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:44 Diabolique wrote: Is Sojung not kind of nicer? Kind of slimier? Sojung is slimy? | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5522 Posts
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Meeii
155 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 Phredxor wrote: Is there even 10 Terran pros in the world? Well yeah, it's pretty many right now, I guess the people that is better than Special would be: Innovation Maru Gumiho TY Alive Byun Then we have a couple of maybe like: Ryung Bunny Keen Jjakji So I'm pretty sure you can call him top 10. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Sorry ... I meant more slim :-) | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:44 Diabolique wrote: Is Sojung not kind of nicer? Kind of slimier? she put her instagram profil on private (also her twitter) it clearly means something | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:44 Durnuu wrote: Just look at aligulac's top 10 players, there are quite a few there Though Serral is 7th while being complete trash so I don't know, Kev. | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 207aicila wrote: If you're a fan you care about the game above all else. Top plays by top players regardless of nationality, personality or drama (especially forced drama in eSports). What? No? My favorite player in SSBM is Leffen, not Armada. Does that make me someone that isn't a fan of Smash Bros Melee? :o Your argument makes no sense imho | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:46 Meeii wrote: Well yeah, it's pretty many right now, I guess the people that is better than Special would be: Innovation Maru Gumiho TY Alive Then we have a couple of maybe like: Ryung Bunny Keen Jjakji So I'm pretty sure you can call him top 10. You forgot about ByuN | ||
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Frostlone
Australia75 Posts
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 Phredxor wrote: Is there even 10 Terran pros in the world? Pretty sure there's exactly 10 terran pros, actually: The horsemen, Gumi, Bunny, Ryung, Kela, MajOr, Schlappi | ||
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Jasper_Ty
101 Posts
numba one INnoVation 2-5 level ByuN TY GuMiho Maru 6-8 level Ryung aLive MajOr anyone lower forte keen natural jjakji | ||
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Meeii
155 Posts
Damn, just added him in the "better" category ;-) | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
Still, there's only 8 on his list so adding Byun is 9 | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:47 Meeii wrote: Damn, just added him in the "better" category ;-) I liked it more before. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:48 Zzzapper wrote: Still, there's only 8 on his list so adding Byun is 9 You might wanna count that again | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
i love playing and watching TvT. and with these new skins i can pretend i'm Arcturus Mengsk long lost cousin named skip... restoring humanity's place in the universe. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:49 Ej_ wrote: There were 11 Terrans in Ro32 GSL and the only you could argue is worse than MajOr is jjakji. And jjakji still looks better IMHO. Keen | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
??? There's clearly 4 in the better category and 4 in the other | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:43 D-light wrote: After Naama and Fuzer retiring I don't think so. On Aligulac, Major is 11th Terran behind Masa for some reason and 9 Korean Ts, at least a couple of which I think Special is better than. He's probably 6th or 7th best Terran | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:49 GumBa wrote: Heromarine is the best Terran cause he has the best TvP He won a few EPS too, clearly best terran | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:46 Poopi wrote: What? No? My favorite player in SSBM is Leffen, not Armada. Does that make me someone that isn't a fan of Smash Bros Melee? :o Your argument makes no sense imho You are just putting words in my mouth and making analogies that don't hold. In StarCraft's specific situation of one non-English-speaking region being consistently and significantly more competitive than the rest, true fans will not mind that and just watch and enjoy their favourite players regardless. That's exactly what happened with Brood War. If you actually love the game and enjoy watching it, you will watch whoever is best. The people whining about Koreans clearly do not love watching the game as much as they claim or think that they do. It's really that simple. | ||
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Jasper_Ty
101 Posts
Not even a korean could win the coveted EPS | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:50 Zzzapper wrote: ??? There's clearly 4 in the better category and 4 in the other The 9th one's name is written with magic ink, you must prove yourself worthy first before you can read it. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
#CLOSINGTHEGAP? Probably no :-) | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:49 Ej_ wrote: There were 11 Terrans in Ro32 GSL and the only you could argue is worse than MajOr is jjakji. And jjakji still looks better IMHO. ya he is probably not top 10. i wonder if he is top 20. | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:51 Elentos wrote: The 9th one's name is written with magic ink, you must prove yourself worthy first before you can read it. Pretty sure it's just iron ink, really | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:51 GumBa wrote: Mvp is still the best Terran or do I need to link a stuchiu article? He was the best until Byun. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya he is probably not top 10. i wonder if he is top 20. At 20 we really need to ask ourselves if that many Terans exist. Also I'd say KeeN isn't better than MajOr, at least not significantly. | ||
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Canada2764 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:50 Zzzapper wrote: ??? There's clearly 4 in the better category and 4 in the other You might wanna count that again | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:53 Elentos wrote: At 20 we really need to ask ourselves if that many Terans exist. Also I'd say KeeN isn't better than MajOr, at least not significantly. i'm still playing. but i use the new skins.. and if they didn't let me use them i'd just walk out on the game . right off the stage.. and straight to the airport. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:53 Elentos wrote: At 20 we really need to ask ourselves if that many Terans exist. Also I'd say KeeN isn't better than MajOr, at least not significantly. That's Gameland invitational finalst Keen, thank you very much. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:55 Phredxor wrote: That's Gameland invitational finalst Keen, thank you very much. Won 3 games vs Zest (and 2 more in the group stage), something the best micro player couldn't do | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:54 Soularion wrote: Do you guys seriously think Forte, KeeN, jjakji and TIME are better than MajOr? What? Oh I didn't count Forte and TIME. That would make 13 Terrans in ro32. And yes, jjakji is better.. Keen is arguable. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
 let's see how good of a road player he is. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Penev
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GTR
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10bulgares
352 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:47 Jasper_Ty wrote: i actually reckon major is top 8 numba one INnoVation 2-5 level ByuN TY GuMiho Maru 6-8 level Ryung aLive MajOr anyone lower forte keen natural jjakji If you put forte, keen or natural in here, might as well add cure | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:54 Soularion wrote: Do you guys seriously think Forte, KeeN, jjakji and TIME are better than MajOr? What? Is serral better than Major? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:58 Penev wrote: I wonder who gumba is rooting for Dota. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:56 Ej_ wrote: Oh I didn't count Forte and TIME. That would make 13 Terrans in ro32. And yes, jjakji is better.. Keen is arguable. KeeN is pretty bad. I'd say the top 10 statement isn't far off though, that's pretty close. But top 8 are pretty locked with Inno, TY, ByuN, Maru, GuMi, aLive, Ryung & Bunny. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:58 10bulgares wrote: If you put forte, keen or natural in here, might as well add cure If we're adding cure might as well throw Demuslim in there. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
This is actually a true story. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2017 19:56 Ej_ wrote: Oh I didn't count Forte and TIME. That would make 13 Terrans in ro32. And yes, jjakji is better.. Keen is arguable. jjakji and KeeN are both very arguable in my eyes. MajOr's had terrible luck in terms of GSL draws (0-4 vs herO and 1-4 vs TY might not be great results, but they're not exactly horrible ones either) which makes it tough to see how he'd do against the mid-tier of Korean competition, but I'd put him over KeeN and maybe jjakji/Bunny too. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Why is Whirlwind part of this map pool anyways? I don't think anyone likes this map. And it's not like this map pool is lacking in big maps. I like whirlwind | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Why is Whirlwind part of this map pool anyways? I don't think anyone likes this map. And it's not like this map pool is lacking in big maps. So Protoss can beat Zerg. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Why is Whirlwind part of this map pool anyways? I don't think anyone likes this map. And it's not like this map pool is lacking in big maps. Ladder maps (WCS) + ancient maps (GSL) | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
5gate zealot noted good | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:02 Ej_ wrote: iA is in a really good spot. Is it enough? Can't be enough. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:03 Noonius wrote: with all this terran discussion going on, I feel like it's time for TL to compile a list of some sort PR happened and it was garbage. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:03 Noonius wrote: with all this terran discussion going on, I feel like it's time for TL to compile a list of some sort 1. TaeJa | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
"List of the worst players to have ever touched the game" | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:03 Noonius wrote: with all this terran discussion going on, I feel like it's time for TL to compile a list of some sort Measuring foreigners against koreans is pretty much impossible, honestly. No way to get a big enough, accurate sample size, as even players such as Elazer, Scarlett and MajOr don't play enough in korea to get a good sample size against the mid-tier. All we know is that they aren't the best, but they aren't the worst either. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:03 Noonius wrote: with all this terran discussion going on, I feel like it's time for TL to compile a list of some sort And accidentally Taeja takes two spots in the current top-20 terrans. | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:04 Durnuu wrote: "List of the worst players to have ever touched the game" That's what LRSL is for | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
hey! | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
Wait, if I knew that was on the line I would have played more seriously!! | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:08 Heartland wrote: why is there a Thor? It raises morale. | ||
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Penev
28440 Posts
gg | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:09 Argonauta wrote: IAsonu has no larvae He's got like 30. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:08 Heartland wrote: why is there a Thor? It has 2 armor. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
You mean that it's a baneling wall? | ||
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fastr
France901 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
No, it's like a swarm host general that's good. The Thor Warlord. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
a siege tanks dream. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
then why he was banking 2000 2000 at 150 supply? O.o | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:11 Ej_ wrote: No, it's like a swarm host general that's good. The Thor Warlord. I won't hear the Swarm Host General insulted! | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:12 Argonauta wrote: then why he was banking 2000 2000 at 150 supply? O.o No clue. :/ But just after you said that they showed and he had like 27. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24578 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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GoloSC2
709 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:14 Phredxor wrote: No clue. :/ But just after you said that they showed and he had like 27. was banking for ultras i guess, the cavern was like halfway done | ||
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United States33097 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
Ultra harass lol | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
It was Innovation's Thor. He wanted to fly. | ||
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GoloSC2
709 Posts
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Jasper_Ty
101 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
:D | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Also had the glorious line from the Sexual Tyranosaur. | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the blob was a 1958 movie. had Tasteless's dad been born by 1958? I have no idea but he could easily have been born in the late 40's | ||
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JokerAi
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207aicila
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On August 03 2017 20:22 JokerAi wrote: Showtime sv Soo is realy unfair because showtimes pvsz ist is worst matchup. You think he's the only one forced to play his worst matchup? Better yet, you think progamers should have the luxury not to play their worst matchup? *looks at nationality* Nevermind... carry on. User was warned for this post | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 03 2017 20:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the blob was a 1958 movie. had Tasteless's dad been born by 1958? Tasteless's dad started his undergrad in 1975, so maybe? It's very close. | ||
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GoloSC2
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 20:30 GoloSC2 wrote: is hydras into spire a thing? Versus Protoss | ||
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Argonauta
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Zzzapper
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The Robot is such an advanced piece of technology it's easy to get confused | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:30 GoloSC2 wrote: is hydras into spire a thing? It was a thing long time ago in I think. Early LotV | ||
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Jasper_Ty
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BaneRiders
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CxWiLL
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On August 03 2017 20:31 Jasper_Ty wrote: iasonu going toe to toe in a straight up game vs inno? what am i watching the robot doesn't eat cheese, so I believe Ia has to | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 03 2017 20:31 Jasper_Ty wrote: iasonu going toe to toe in a straight up game vs inno? what am i watching iA did beat Gumiho just last week. | ||
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Ej_
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gumiho plays mech and its the weakest composition in the entire game | ||
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GumBa
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 03 2017 20:33 Ej_ wrote: gumiho plays mech and its the weakest composition in the entire game Didn't he ravager rush him? So mech doesn't even come into it. | ||
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Durnuu
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DBooN
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On August 03 2017 20:33 Ej_ wrote: gumiho plays mech and its the weakest composition in the entire game Sometimes he always plays shitty reapers. | ||
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Argonauta
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Philozovic
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Heartland
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Yiome
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On August 03 2017 20:31 Jasper_Ty wrote: iasonu going toe to toe in a straight up game vs inno? what am i watching Not really. iA can stay alive but never got any real chance of winning a decisive engagement So it is a long death animation. That being said iA is doing very well considering ZvT is not his best matchup. | ||
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Morbidius
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Soularion
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:38 Soularion wrote: iA didn't have a tech choice that helped him defend. Mutas did good damage but it doesn't matter if the zerg can't defend the terran's push. Losing them to a micro mistake was pretty terrible too. :/ Yup. The Chinese casters are also saying that infestor might be a better choice there. Not many zergs in the world can trade with Innovation on the frontline push efficiently without landing fungals. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia237 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:37 Morbidius wrote: Is it me or Tasteless got really fat? he likes cheese too much ))) | ||
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GoloSC2
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Argonauta
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pvsnp
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Diabolique
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207aicila
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On August 03 2017 20:45 Diabolique wrote: this is not fair. Closest series of the day so far.  | ||
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Phredxor
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pvsnp
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2017 20:46 Phredxor wrote: Great games we're having today tho. ByuN will change that | ||
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GoloSC2
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
Serral needs to provide his own lube, otherwise this is gonna hurt real bad | ||
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BaneRiders
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On August 03 2017 20:47 pvsnp wrote: Inno loses 15 scvs, still 15 workers ahead That is proper risk management. He built in some redundancies to be on the safe side. | ||
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yht9657
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 20:53 yht9657 wrote: Since when is SSL not considered a big event Artosis? Since they don't employ him. | ||
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Yiome
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Phredxor
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207aicila
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On August 03 2017 20:53 yht9657 wrote: Since when is SSL not considered a big event Artosis? Since GOM writes his checks... same shit with the SC:R OGN event not even mentioning MSLs or GOM Classic... zzzzzzz | ||
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sharkie
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Switzerland11933 Posts
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Diabolique
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DBooN
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GumBa
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2017 21:00 D-light wrote: Pls take a game, Serral. Pls take it somehow. Sounds like a job for the shitty ravager build | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:01 DBooN wrote: where is the reaper poll? I'll post it once we have the map order | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:01 Durnuu wrote: Sounds like a job for the shitty ravager build maybe Bly taught him how to proxy hatch | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:01 GumBa wrote: Remember guys Serral is trash. Good. Would makes iA's performance looks more impressive. lol | ||
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GoloSC2
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:05 GoloSC2 wrote: did he say "crush"? He did indeed. Such trashtalk. | ||
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Diabolique
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10bulgares
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pvsnp
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:01 GumBa wrote: Remember guys Serral is trash. Already got trashed in the handshake. I'm officially worried. | ||
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CynicalDeath
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
Will be pretty hard for ByuN with the reaper nerf :/ | ||
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GoloSC2
709 Posts
hsc left its mark on serral :D | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
I'll think I can maybe do pretty well in a couple of games... oh wait no I'm going to crush you. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
1) Ascension to Aiur 2) Abyssal Reef 3) Acolyte 4) Newkirk Precinct TE 5) Odyssey | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:06 Poopi wrote: Serral is the best zerg in the world right? Will be pretty hard for ByuN with the reaper nerf :/ Serral isn't close to best in the foreign scene when it comes to ZvT. | ||
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Jasper_Ty
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Dav1oN
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pvsnp
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:06 Poopi wrote: Serral is the best zerg in the world right? Will be pretty hard for ByuN with the reaper nerf :/ Not in ZvT he isn't. It really shouldn't be too hard for him. Probably/hopefully Serral takes a map. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2017 21:09 Ej_ wrote: Can't believe he goes for this build even with reapers being literally unplayable. Jokes on you he didn't | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:09 Ej_ wrote: Can't believe he goes for this build even with reapers being literally unplayable. Blizzard took their time to think about how to balance it, I'm sure it's going to be fine! | ||
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Ej_
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Oh it's the cheesy Korean lowground wall. Terran players are scum. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:07 Durnuu wrote: Map order : 1) Ascension to Aiur 2) Abyssal Reef 3) Acolyte 4) Newkirk Precinct TE 5) Odyssey how can ByuN go 5 times when he wins 3-0? | ||
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GumBa
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
Draws | ||
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pvsnp
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ZigguratOfUr
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Instead of showing us that reapers are still broken right away, he'll stop playing reapers for a few weeks, lull us into feeling safe, before busting out a new broken 3-rax reaper variant. | ||
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Poopi
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On August 03 2017 21:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Serral isn't close to best in the foreign scene when it comes to ZvT. Didn't he beat strong KR terrans or I misremember? | ||
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D-light
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Goes reapers. Transitions into mech. Transitions back into reapers. | ||
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Noonius
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2017 21:11 Poopi wrote: Didn't he beat strong KR terrans or I misremember? Not really http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=t&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= | ||
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Jasper_Ty
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On August 03 2017 21:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Goddammit ByuN. He's going to slow-roll us. Instead of showing us that reapers are still broken right away, he'll stop playing reapers for a few weeks, lull us into feeling safe, before busting out a new broken 3-rax reaper variant. byun - good at early, mid, late, AND metagame? | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 21:11 Durnuu wrote: Not really http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=t&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= Didn't he win a game against SuperNova 3 years ago? | ||
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Noonius
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:11 D-light wrote: Goes reapers. Transitions into mech. Transitions back into reapers. He doesn't even need stim! | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:12 Ej_ wrote: Didn't he win a game against SuperNova 3 years ago? TargA did | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:11 Poopi wrote: Didn't he beat strong KR terrans or I misremember? He's taken games. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:11 Poopi wrote: Didn't he beat strong KR terrans or I misremember? He's gotten stomped every one of the few times he's faced top Korean terrans. | ||
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Ej_
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
I haven't heard that name in a long-ass time | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:13 Ej_ wrote: Hey this game has been going very well for Serral. What now Soularion? | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:12 Ej_ wrote: Didn't he win a game against SuperNova 3 years ago? Almost. And it was 4 years ago. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:14 Ej_ wrote: Yeah I think Serral is dead within 5 minutes now. Hot take of the game. | ||
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Durnuu
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Jasper_Ty
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On August 03 2017 21:14 Ej_ wrote: Yeah I think Serral is dead within 5 minutes now. iA was in a worse position and made his death 10 minutes longer so im not sure serral dies right now | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 21:15 Durnuu wrote: I like how everyone voted for the troll answer in the 3 rax reaper poll There could be a draw. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
In TvZ with a terran that never goes mech, it's quite unlikely to say the least | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Or a crazy basetrade that resets the game entirely. | ||
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Poopi
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On August 03 2017 21:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He's gotten stomped every one of the few times he's faced top Korean terrans. Yeah but didn't he beat Special? It's almost like a KR terran at this point compared to other foreign terrans | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2017 21:21 Poopi wrote: Yeah but didn't he beat Special? It's almost like a KR terran at this point compared to other foreign terrans No he didn't | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 03 2017 21:21 Poopi wrote: Yeah but didn't he beat Special? It's almost like a KR terran at this point compared to other foreign terrans No. Special destroyed him. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:21 Poopi wrote: Yeah but didn't he beat Special? It's almost like a KR terran at this point compared to other foreign terrans Nope. But apparently Serral has improved from getting 3-1'd. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
This mappool and the reaper nerf helps a lot tho I guess | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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[PkF] Wire
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Byun was never ahead or even | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
Serral's ZvT is a lot better than I thought. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:26 GumBa wrote: S O U L A R I O N idk where the 'soul hates serral' meme came from I put him #3 in wcs which is pretty fair I think | ||
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10bulgares
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On August 03 2017 21:14 Ej_ wrote: Yeah I think Serral is dead within 5 minutes now. | ||
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pvsnp
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:26 Phredxor wrote: Byun first GSL player to lose to WCS. Pathetic. Foreigner:1 Koreans: 0 | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:27 Soularion wrote: idk where the 'soul hates serral' meme came from I put him #3 in wcs which is pretty fair I think HSC | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Now win another to eventually lose 2-3. That's what us Finns need. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Ej_
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can't even get a proper call out in time anymore On August 03 2017 21:19 Ej_ wrote: Oh wow I was wrong. | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:27 D-light wrote: Oh cool. Now win another to eventually lose 2-3. That's what us Finns need. He is crushing ByuN already, please have mercy on my soul Am I the only one that loves reapers? They are fun to use and they make zergs tilt | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
TBH he's just trash. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On August 03 2017 21:27 D-light wrote: Oh cool. Now win another to eventually lose 2-3. That's what us Finns need. Nah send ByuN home so that he can take a shower | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:28 [PkF] Wire wrote: I like the heavy viper and abduct usage, that looked super strong hive tech is generally strong if you don't die before it's out | ||
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GumBa
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Garbage player | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:28 Weavel wrote: Serral got this 3-0. Oh wow you totally jinxed it. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
I said that he was a very good player who wasn't quite great, and I doubted his ability to be consistent deep in tournaments idk seems accurate to me | ||
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GumBa
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On August 03 2017 21:29 Ej_ wrote: The King of the White Walkers? That's gotta be dApollo My man. | ||
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pvsnp
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207aicila
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On August 03 2017 21:30 GumBa wrote: EU mayo is best mayo Most obvious and unnecessary comment of the thread so far. | ||
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Shellshock
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:31 207aicila wrote: Most obvious and unnecessary comment of the thread so far. saying this to a person with 30k posts pretty much useless :D | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:31 D-light wrote: No mayo is best mayo A person of no taste right here | ||
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207aicila
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On August 03 2017 21:34 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: saying this to a person with 30k posts pretty much useless :D Eh I remember him, he was the same when he only had 5k. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 21:34 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: saying this to a person with 30k posts pretty much useless :D GumBa needs to finally be taught what is proper and what is not, can't act in LR threads like they were some kind of a twitch chat cesspool. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:35 207aicila wrote: Eh I remember him, he was the same when he only had 5k. was it like two weeks ago? :D | ||
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Poopi
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Maybe not the most efficient way to play terran, but the most beautiful that's for sure! Starcraft as an art | ||
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207aicila
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2-3 years I think. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:38 Ej_ wrote: Anyone else noticed Serral's baneling speed wasn't finished? Are you sure? | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
hey serral's bane speed wasn't done | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:37 Yiome wrote: Serral forgot his baneling speed? Yeah I think so | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:38 [PkF] Wire wrote: centrifugal hooks so damn late wtf Yeah, he forgot it. All it was | ||
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Kovzirg
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On August 03 2017 21:37 Kaewins wrote: Mines are such a boring unit... Ah yes it must be the result of an overpowered unit and not ridiculously late baneling speed. | ||
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Elentos
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On August 03 2017 21:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Byun is behind.. Byun is in a bad spot...things look bad for Byun... nice win by Byun. That is indeed the commentary that occurred and it was questionable. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2017 21:39 GumBa wrote: I have to check the vod if Serral had bane speed or not. He did not | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:39 Elentos wrote: That is indeed the commentary that occurred and it was questionable. I think the casters were just oblivious about centrifugal hooks until the last two fights | ||
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Are you sure? | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
I can't confirm | ||
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:39 GumBa wrote: I have to check the vod if Serral had bane speed or not. hes handicapping himself to give byun a chance | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think the casters were just oblivious about centrifugal hooks until the last two fights Well, most of us missed that afterall. | ||
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Bulgaria138 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:39 Kovzirg wrote: Ah yes it must be the result of an overpowered unit and not ridiculously late baneling speed. Baneling speed or no baneling speed, mines produce entirely anticlimactic endings to otherwise good games. | ||
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was that Suppy's mom? | ||
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Kovzirg
126 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:39 Elentos wrote: That is indeed the commentary that occurred and it was questionable. I mean I guess the commentators should've realized how late bane speed was but they weren't really wrong. He just needed to hold that attack which would've been substantially easier if not for a forgotten upgrade. It's akin to forgetting combat shields. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2017 21:42 Elentos wrote: Small map? This? it's not alterzim even though the tileset looks similar! | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:43 GumBa wrote: Curing cancer is easier than sc2 - Artosis 2017 Studies are for filthy casuals | ||
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DBooN
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On August 03 2017 21:43 GumBa wrote: Curing cancer is easier than sc2 - Artosis 2017 All progamers are murderers | ||
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Elentos
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On August 03 2017 21:43 GumBa wrote: Curing cancer is easier than sc2 - Artosis 2017 He probably has the cure lying around somewhere at home for decoration. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:42 Durnuu wrote: it's not alterzim even though the tileset looks similar! I can't unsee the original Overgrowth look of the map. But yeah 3 bases behind a single choke = small map. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:43 GumBa wrote: Curing cancer is easier than sc2 - Artosis 2017 I heard cancer would be instantly cured once everyone on TL believes Cure is the best Starcraft player. | ||
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Jasper_Ty
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
baneling speed | ||
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207aicila
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On August 03 2017 21:43 Ej_ wrote: I'm sure Idra played SC2 because of his love for the game. Good job cherry picking one of the progamers with the highest salary, and from a time when SC2 was at its peak attention-wise and hype-wise to boot. You sure showed that Artosis nerd what's what. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 21:47 Shellshock wrote: guys baneling speed GG | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 21:47 207aicila wrote: Good job cherry picking one of the progamers with the highest salary, and from a time when SC2 was at its peak attention-wise and hype-wise to boot. You sure showed that Artosis nerd what's what. Thanks. Appreciate that. | ||
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I REPEAT BYUN ACTUALLY SPLIT MARINES | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2017 21:49 Durnuu wrote: BYUN SPLIT 6 MARINES AGAINST THE 20 BANES ON CREEP I REPEAT BYUN ACTUALLY SPLIT MARINES Can the real Byun Hyun Woo please stand up? | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:49 Durnuu wrote: BYUN SPLIT 6 MARINES AGAINST THE 20 BANES ON CREEP I REPEAT BYUN ACTUALLY SPLIT MARINES still let 2 get hit by 1 marine. GIVE TY HIS PLACE ON THE POWER RANK ALREADY | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:49 Durnuu wrote: BYUN SPLIT 6 MARINES AGAINST THE 20 BANES ON CREEP I REPEAT BYUN ACTUALLY SPLIT MARINES He should've just target fired them smh | ||
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5 widow mines | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:50 Ej_ wrote: make a thor, goddamnit mass BC beats this whole army | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:51 Ej_ wrote: 77 marines 5 widow mines Good enough when the widow mine roulette lands on red every time. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: Damn 3 times 3-0 but now Byun already lost a game, what a noob You mean Serral lost a game | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: Damn 3 times 3-0 but now Byun already lost a game, what a noob nah we should be blaming serral. he won game 1 and blew the 3-0 | ||
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fantastic job handling pressure | ||
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gl ByuN | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:54 AzAlexZ wrote: Serral played pretty well, but tbh Byun was rushing it too much with that attack, should've waited for liberators it's almost like 2011 when foreigners got no respect from koreans | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:51 Ej_ wrote: 77 marines 5 widow mines but guys .. terran is so hard to play | ||
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The casting is a bit off though, I think they overestimated ByuN's hand quite a lot of times this game. | ||
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Best micro player lost to zerg. Nerf zerg blizzard pls | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:42 Ej_ wrote: EG T SHIRT was that Suppy's mom? the Blob is Suppy's mom's favourite movie. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:55 GumBa wrote: ByuN gonna disappear for another 3 years Losing to Zest was already embarrassing enough | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:54 Ej_ wrote: I'm glad Acolyte joined the map pool so Terran can get fucked on that map as well. It was pretty good for terran originally when tanks could deny the in-base natural gas and secure the landing site for drops. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:55 [PkF] Wire wrote: Serral is good ! The casting is a bit off though, I think they overestimated ByuN's hand quite a lot of times this game. Typical Korean bias. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:56 Durnuu wrote: Best micro player lost to zerg. Nerf zerg blizzard pls Well yeah... Best TvZ in the world coming up next round. Serral is toast. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:56 Shellshock wrote: baneling speed would have been 3-0 Though ByuN and Serral could have played that differently if it was 2-0 instead of 1-1. Who knows. | ||
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I guess winning a game having inferior army all game long until magic composition is much harder xD On another note, I don't know why people expected Serral to lose 03, he is the best foreigner on aligulac afaik, so the best foreigner right now. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:57 Ej_ wrote: INnoVation sends his regards. Let's see of he can emulate his hero. | ||
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Edit: gg byun | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:58 AzAlexZ wrote: lol gg byun? 5 workers ahead | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:58 GumBa wrote: Inno would of 3-0d shura 7 times over with these builds in these situations. TY would have 4-0d serral too | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:58 Poopi wrote: I guess winning a game having inferior army all game long until magic composition is much harder xD On another note, I don't know why people expected Serral to lose 03, he is the best foreigner on aligulac afaik, so the best foreigner right now. I mean his ZvT has looked suboptimal so a 3-1 for example that i was kinda expecting for ByuN didn't sound unrealistic. | ||
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no/slower 2nd base, down on production cuz floating barracks | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 AzAlexZ wrote: no/slower 2nd base, down on production cuz floating barracks watch the banshee kill foreign trash | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 Elentos wrote: This is why ByuN always went 3 rax, he starts using different builds every game and shit starts going wrong. scrub tier patch terran confirmed | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:58 Poopi wrote: I guess winning a game having inferior army all game long until magic composition is much harder xD On another note, I don't know why people expected Serral to lose 03, he is the best foreigner on aligulac afaik, so the best foreigner right now. People don't really give aligulac much credit even though it can be eerily accurate at times. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 Jasper_Ty wrote: People don't really give aligulac much credit even though it can be eerily accurate at times. MaSa's the second best foreigner on aligulac. | ||
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you were saying what????????? lol get rekt byun | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 Jasper_Ty wrote: People don't really give aligulac much credit even though it can be eerily accurate at times. MaSa is in top 10 atm even though he hasn't done shit all year, so yeah, we don't give it much credit. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 Jasper_Ty wrote: People don't really give aligulac much credit even though it can be eerily accurate at times. Aligulac would be rather accurate if all the players played in the same tournament pool | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 Elentos wrote: This is why ByuN always went 3 rax, he starts using different builds every game and shit starts going wrong. Maybe he can relearn Starcraft now if he stops playing reapers every game. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:00 Jasper_Ty wrote: People don't really give aligulac much credit even though it can be eerily accurate at times. Anything can be "eerily accurate at times." Didn't they predict ByuN 3-1 Serral anyway? | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:01 Noonius wrote: guys, Serral is playing super mega well No it's ByuN who's just playing bad. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:01 AzAlexZ wrote: lol Serral scouts the cloacked banshee lol RIP byun, unless Serral thinks its liberators Cloaked banshees are the orthodox follow up to this. Serral was probably expecting them already. | ||
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On August 03 2017 21:58 Poopi wrote: I guess winning a game having inferior army all game long until magic composition is much harder xD On another note, I don't know why people expected Serral to lose 03, he is the best foreigner on aligulac afaik, so the best foreigner right now. He recently lost to uThermal and have very little experience with top (read: Korean) Terrans, on top of that TvZ is his worst match-up in general | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: MaSa's the second best foreigner on aligulac. So you mean mvp is the best terran on LotV because he is the GOAT of WoL?  Form is temporary blabla INno is 1st on aligulac and it shows. ByuN trashed aligulac before his GSL into Blizzcon win But whatever | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:01 AzAlexZ wrote: you were saying what????????? lol get rekt byun This game is so far from being unwinnable for ByuN | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Cloaked banshees are the orthodox follow up to this. Serral was probably expecting them already. yeah only scarlett loses 20 drones to this follow up even when she sees the banshee | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 03 2017 22:02 Soularion wrote: Anything can be "eerily accurate at times." Didn't they predict ByuN 3-1 Serral anyway? Again, if you compare players who play in the same tournament pool it's pretty accurate, the thing is that in sc2 that's almost never the case | ||
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TERRAN OP?????? | ||
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GumBa
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On August 03 2017 22:03 Shellshock wrote: yeah only scarlett loses 20 drones to this follow up even when she sees the banshee Shura wouldnt though | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:03 Ej_ wrote: HOLY SHIT HOW IS BYUN UP IN SUPPLY TERRAN OP?????? yes | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:04 Jasper_Ty wrote: masa is 2nd best foreigner on aligulac atm? i expect him to get a good result at montreal then Want to bet money? $20? $50? MaSa won't even make the finals. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:04 Jasper_Ty wrote: masa is 2nd best foreigner on aligulac atm? i expect him to get a good result at montreal then just went to some NA LAN where he dropped 1 map and beat TRUE 7-0 overall from 2 series so got a ton of points oh wait the 7-0 was across 2 easy NA LANs | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:04 Jasper_Ty wrote: masa is 2nd best foreigner on aligulac atm? i expect him to get a good result at montreal then He became 2nd on aligulac by beating a bunch of NA zergs at American LANs. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On August 03 2017 22:05 Ej_ wrote: Want to bet money? $20? $50? MaSa won't even make the finals. Even if he would be the second best foreigner this bet would make no sense | ||
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Noonius
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too soon? | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:01 Durnuu wrote: MaSa is in top 10 atm even though he hasn't done shit all year, so yeah, we don't give it much credit. Yeah as it turns out when someone goes like 25-1 over the course of two weeks (especially in Offline events), his rating tends to shoot up quite a bit. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote: Even if you are the second best foreigner this bet would make no sense Top 4 is more than doable with an easy bracket. I'm up to money bet on all of MaSa's series versus actual top foreigners. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:05 Shellshock wrote: just went to some NA LAN where he dropped 1 map and beat TRUE 7-0 overall from 2 series so got a ton of points ah i thought it was several online tournaments where he slowly went up in rating. yeah i checked the rating history and he just jumped up after that tourney. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He became 2nd on aligulac by beating a bunch of NA zergs at American LANs. You realize that Stephano was such a god among foreigners precisely because he dominated his domestic scene? If MaSa trashes the NA scene that means he is possibly around EU level, which is closer than ever before to KR level right now. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:06 Ej_ wrote: Top 4 is more than doable with an easy bracket. I'm up to money bet on all of MaSa's series versus actual top foreigners. I am just saying that your bet was fairly bad Obviously i don't think that masa is up there anyway :D | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:07 Poopi wrote: You realize that Stephano was such a god among foreigners precisely because he dominated his domestic scene? If MaSa trashes the NA scene that means he is possibly around EU level, which is closer than ever before to KR level right now. You should try harder with your baits. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:07 Poopi wrote: You realize that Stephano was such a god among foreigners precisely because he dominated his domestic scene? If MaSa trashes the NA scene that means he is possibly around EU level, which is closer than ever before to KR level right now. MajOr has been trashing his scene for years and is only now getting results. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:10 Durnuu wrote: MajOr has been trashing his scene for years and is only now getting results. Not really, he just beat Kelazhur and at last WCS washed up Snute stomped him. | ||
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 got obliterated | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:11 Shellshock wrote: how come byun doesnt siege and unsiege all his tanks at the same time like most of the pros i see You do know that LRSL isn't an actual starleague? | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:11 Ej_ wrote: Not really, he just beat Kelazhur and at last WCS washed up Snute stomped him. Well, it's still better than barely showing up | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:10 Ej_ wrote: I think Serral has this, still has the worker advantage. Well this one was on purpose | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:12 Argonauta wrote: Serral needed binding cloud instead of ultras imho probably needed both | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:11 Ej_ wrote: You do know that LRSL isn't an actual starleague? LIES | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You should try harder with your baits. I'm not baiting at all. Thinking that aligulac rating doesn't mean anything (even tho it doesn't mean everything) is ludicrous to say the least. | ||
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GET YOUR HANDS UP BWOHHHH ARE YOU READY TO ARE YOU READY TO Dude, these tracks tonight. The absolute best of old school GSL tracks. Living the nostalgic life right now and it's fucking beautiful. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:11 Ej_ wrote: You do know that LRSL isn't an actual starleague? what | ||
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The cake is a lie. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:11 Lorning wrote: Great engagement got obliteratedwho are you calling a cow? | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:12 Poopi wrote: I'm not baiting at all. Thinking that aligulac rating doesn't mean anything (even tho it doesn't mean everything) is ludicrous to say the least. Uh huh. Beating Suppy or JonSnow definitely equates to dominating the domestic scene. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Uh huh. Beating Suppy or JonSnow definitely equates to dominating the domestic scene. The secret of Poopi is that he's always serious, no matter what he says. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:12 pvsnp wrote: I like the new Bio-Tank style against Hydra/Ling/Bane. I don't. I'm a HotS starting Terran and so I suck at tank pushes | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:14 Ej_ wrote: Go, proxy hatchery now. Nah proxy hatches never work | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Uh huh. Beating Suppy or JonSnow definitely equates to dominating the domestic scene. it is now that Shura and Neeb got scared and ran away to Korea | ||
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Dem ultralisks | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Uh huh. Beating Suppy or JonSnow definitely equates to dominating the domestic scene. So I guess you should try harder with your baits? :o http://aligulac.com/players/251-MaSa/ He didn't dominate the scene, he made NA scene his bitch that tournament then shat on it. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:12 pvsnp wrote: I like the new Bio-Tank style against Hydra/Ling/Bane. Wasn't it you complaining 2 weeks ago that it doesn't work? | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:16 Elentos wrote: Wasn't it you complaining 2 weeks ago that it doesn't work? That was the old bio/tank. This is the new and better bio/tank. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:19 Shellshock wrote: PERFECT DEFENSE | ||
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On August 03 2017 01:29 Nebuchad wrote: Gonna go with Stats Major Inno Serral like a boss. One fucking game away :/ | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:20 Shellshock wrote: ive found if i say the opposite of what i want the player I want to win does Why would you want ByuN to win. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:20 D-light wrote: lol from potential 3-0 to 2-3 xD the Finnish way 0-0 is also a potential 3-0 so I guess 2-1 to 2-3 is more accurate | ||
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for TY fan tears | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:21 GumBa wrote: Apollo gonna call off this event. Disgusting. DOUBLE DOWN ON THE REGION LOCK | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:21 Poopi wrote: 0-0 is also a potential 3-0 so I guess 2-1 to 2-3 is more accurate Wow really? Is that actually true? | ||
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Terran. | ||
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TRUE retroactively executed and striped off his WCS title. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:22 Nerchio wrote: The easiest bracket ever from RO16 to Semis for innovation ;d thats every bracket since hes the GOAT | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:22 Ej_ wrote: TRUE retroactively executed and striped off his WCS title. BUILD THE WALL TEN FEET HIGHER | ||
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Hey this isn't the US Politics Megathread. | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:22 Nerchio wrote: The easiest bracket ever from RO16 to Semis for innovation ;d You're not in it though? | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:22 Nerchio wrote: The easiest bracket ever from RO16 to Semis for innovation ;d Well Stats could stop him if he brings his A game edit lol Stats is semis what am I thinking | ||
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Not even wrong | ||
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He still loses them tbf, but at least he gets nice brackets. | ||
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I was going to do it and then I thought the bait was too obvious, thank you :D | ||
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You underestimate your country that's all I am saying At least regarding sc2 | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:25 Poopi wrote: You underestimate your country that's all I am saying At least regarding sc2 I prefer to look it the way it looks the worst and how he threw the most. | ||
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Shura 3 : 0 TY Nerchio 3:0 Dark Showtime 3: 0 soO | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:26 GumBa wrote: Neeb 3 : 0 sOs Shura 3 : 0 TY Nerchio 3:0 Dark Showtime 3: 0 soO spot on | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:26 GumBa wrote: Neeb 3 : 0 sOs Shura 3 : 0 TY Nerchio 3:0 Dark Showtime 3: 0 soO If it happens like that you should play lottery | ||
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There's a reason GumBa is the most sought after analytical caster. | ||
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Luolis
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On August 03 2017 22:26 D-light wrote: I prefer to look it the way it looks the worst and how he threw the most. The true Finnish way ;D | ||
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France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:26 D-light wrote: I prefer to look it the way it looks the worst and how he threw the most. https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/standings/ At least you got a good shot at having one player at Blizzcon Our 2nd best player is retired... I understand how frustrating it is tho, I am a MKP fan | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:27 Nerchio wrote: If I was in it then it wouldn't be a road to semis for him, it would be a way out of the tournament my man | ||
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On August 03 2017 22:27 Nerchio wrote: If I was in it then it wouldn't be a road to semis for him, it would be a way out of the tournament You cannot answer with something like that, 4/10 response imo | ||
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Kashim
Poland1117 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: You cannot answer with something like that, 4/10 response imo He just needs to eliminate INno for it to retroactively become a 9/10 response though. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:26 GumBa wrote: Neeb 3 : 0 sOs Shura 3 : 0 TY Nerchio 3:0 Dark Showtime 3: 0 soO first 3 prob right | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:28 Poopi wrote: https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/standings/ At least you got a good shot at having one player at Blizzcon Our 2nd best player is retired... I understand how frustrating it is tho, I am a MKP fan Our 2nd best player is horrible twitter jokester who didn't eat a shoe... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He just needs to eliminate INno for it to retroactively become a 9/10 response though. Sure that would be a possibility, gl with that | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:29 GumBa wrote: Seeing Rotti and Geoff in korea is strange for me. Apollo sent 2 of his most capable assassins | ||
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Shellshock
United States97275 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:30 D-light wrote: Our 2nd best player is horrible twitter jokester who didn't eat a shoe... Luolis? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Nah, tomorrow. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Sure that would be a possibility, gl with that Yeah it's too bad that MajOr will eliminate INno and prevent this from happening. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Zhugeliang (...while France has 37 players listed on aligulac while Finland has 5) | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:32 geokilla wrote: I thought the skill level between Koreans and foreigners was not huge? What happened here? Did I miss something? You probably missed the last series where the reigning Blizzcon champions barely beat a European whose worst matchup is ZvT. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:32 geokilla wrote: I thought the skill level between Koreans and foreigners was not huge? What happened here? Did I miss something? Yeah you missed Byun vs Serral which was 2-3 | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:32 geokilla wrote: I thought the skill level between Koreans and foreigners was not huge? What happened here? Did I miss something? Nerchio didnt play yet. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah it's too bad that MajOr will eliminate INno and prevent this from happening. I actually think herO is the harder opponent for Inno than Stats is. While Stats is certainly the stronger player, herO is way more unpredictable/cheesy and Inno is at his best in macro games like Stats plays. It's basically guaranteed that Stats vs Inno will be the semis, and what a semis it will be. Inno 3-2 Stats is my prediction but I could definitely see Stats 3-2 Inno as well. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:32 geokilla wrote: I thought the skill level between Koreans and foreigners was not huge? What happened here? Did I miss something? There was a match between 2 Koreans, a match between 2 foreigners, a one-sided foreigner vs Korean match and a very close foreigner vs Korean match. Which did you miss? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:34 pvsnp wrote: I actually think herO is the harder opponent for Inno than Stats is. While Stats is certainly the stronger player, herO is way more unpredictable/cheesy and Inno is at his best in macro games like Stats plays. It's basically guaranteed that Stats vs Inno will be the semis, and what a semis it will be. Inno 3-2 Stats is my prediction but I could definitely see Stats 3-2 Inno as well. It depends entirely on how INno plays tbh. Stats is really good at shutting down early aggression, but he has huge blindspots in his play (as demonstrated by his series against Forte). If INno adapts I think he could easily crush Stats. If he plays to Stats's strength things won't go well for him. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7090 Posts
Ayy lmao | ||
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:34 Ej_ wrote: You probably missed the last series where the reigning Blizzcon champions barely beat a European whose worst matchup is ZvT. I caught only game 4 and it seemed like Serral got outplayed. Then I checked the results for today and it was mainly 3-0 stomps. Which got me thinking about the skill level differences, or lack of as claimed by some. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:33 D-light wrote: Zhugeliang (...while France has 37 players listed on aligulac while Finland has 5) I beat him on ladder once I like to remind everyone every once in a while | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Can't wait for his games tomorrow. Imagine all the fun! | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:37 geokilla wrote: I caught only game 4 and it seemed like Serral got outplayed. Then I checked the results for today and it was mainly 3-0 stomps. Which got me thinking about the skill level differences, or lack of as claimed by some. It's amazing how you did not seem to notice that out of those 3 "stomps": - 1 was KR vs KR - 2nd was LatAm vs LatAm - 3rd was fucking INnoVation playing a Zerg Liquipedia lists country flags for all the players, Koreans are the ones with a white rectangle and a blue/red circle in the middle (not to be confused with Japan which has a full red circle and no symbols in the corners of the flag) | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:37 geokilla wrote: I caught only game 4 and it seemed like Serral got outplayed. Then I checked the results for today and it was mainly 3-0 stomps. Which got me thinking about the skill level differences, or lack of as claimed by some. The only foreigner vs Korean 0-3 was iAsonu vs Inno which on paper is the most one-sided match in the Ro16 | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:37 geokilla wrote: I caught only game 4 and it seemed like Serral got outplayed. Then I checked the results for today and it was mainly 3-0 stomps. Which got me thinking about the skill level differences, or lack of as claimed by some. Well, the gap is huge, but there are some successes. When the foreigner Major destroyed his opponent 3-0, or when the Korean herO lost 0-3. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:41 Elentos wrote: The only foreigner vs Korean 0-3 was iAsonu vs Inno which on paper is the most one-sided match in the Ro16 That's TY vs. Scarlett. iAsonu just got out of a GSL style group by beating the two most recent GSL champions. Scarlett ends GSL style groups in last place with a single win. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:44 Nerchio wrote: a i totally disagree. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:37 geokilla wrote: I caught only game 4 and it seemed like Serral got outplayed. Then I checked the results for today and it was mainly 3-0 stomps. Which got me thinking about the skill level differences, or lack of as claimed by some. I feel dumber after reading this. All I have to say  | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:33 D-light wrote: Zhugeliang (...while France has 37 players listed on aligulac while Finland has 5) Pretty easy to get a bunch of players listed when you have underdogs qualifiers every other day, to be fair | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:48 Boggyb wrote: That's TY vs. Scarlett. iAsonu just got out of a GSL style group by beating the two most recent GSL champions. Scarlett ends GSL style groups in last place with a single win. Scarlett's stronger against Terran in straight-up games than iA, and TY isn't as strong against Zerg as Inno is. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:51 Nebuchad wrote: Pretty easy to get a bunch of players listed when you have underdogs qualifiers every other day, to be fair In conclusion: France=aliev, Finland=ded | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16466 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:49 Nerchio wrote: I feel dumber after reading this. All I have to say play more random , like the good old days, it'll increase your mentality agility sir | ||
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:40 Ej_ wrote: It's amazing how you did not seem to notice that out of those 3 "stomps": - 1 was KR vs KR - 2nd was LatAm vs LatAm - 3rd was fucking INnoVation playing a Zerg Liquipedia lists country flags for all the players, Koreans are the ones with a white rectangle and a blue/red circle in the middle (not to be confused with Japan which has a full red circle and no symbols in the corners of the flag) I'm kind of considering Major to be an adopted Korean like how America adopted Polt. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 03 2017 22:55 Elentos wrote: Scarlett's stronger against Terran in straight-up games than iA, and TY isn't as strong against Zerg as Inno is. In Starcraft, you don't have to play straight-up if you don't want to, so the only thing that matters is results. iA has beaten a top terran recently. Scarlett has not. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:02 geokilla wrote: I'm kind of considering Major to be an adopted Korean like how America adopted Polt. That's not convenient at all. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8218 Posts
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:10 geokilla wrote: On another note, if this is supposed to be GSL vs the World, why did herO have to play Stats? They're both in GSL. Was it the way the groups were seeded? 8 players were seeded and Gyuri drew their opponents at random. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Also, herO is confirmed a scrub who only wins tournaments off PvT bullshit hehe | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:24 Nebuchad wrote: Alright Neeb, you know what's left to do now. Lose 0-3 to $O$? | ||
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Poopi
France12759 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:04 Boggyb wrote: In Starcraft, you don't have to play straight-up if you don't want to, so the only thing that matters is results. iA has beaten a top terran recently. Scarlett has not. Yeah I don't get why people even dare to think that there is only one true way of playing or whatever. I find mech boring for both players in TvT but if you want to win enough to bore yourself to death you are free to do so, it just requires a different skillset than standard bio. MoMaN is a bit of a cheeky & cheesy player but he often has the mental edge against ToD even when the latter is better. Being able to play a style to such high level is what matters, not which style is it. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
My words :-) | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
See this is an odd year so sOs will win Blizzcon, so he needs to win GSL to qualify. Since he's focused on GSL he can't focus on GSL vs the World, which means Neeb has a higher chance. Everything is connected! | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:31 Nebuchad wrote: See this is an odd year so sOs will win Blizzcon, so he needs to win GSL to qualify. Since he's focused on GSL he can't focus on GSL vs the World, which means Neeb has a higher chance. Everything is connected! Yes, everything is connected. Always when sOs was standing against the wall and was not qualifying for BlizzCon, his wake up call was always a tournament with foreigners, which he has won. Since that moment, he was winning everything. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:37 Blargh wrote: It's too bad our only foreigner in Ro8 will be from 100% bracket luck in getting a foreigner opponent -_- You have forgotten Nerchio. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:37 Blargh wrote: It's too bad our only foreigner in Ro8 will be from 100% bracket luck in getting a foreigner opponent -_- It was rather "unlucky" to get only one KR vs KR match out of a half random draw in the first place. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
I think Nerchio advancing is a decent bet. Dark doesn't have a top-tier ZvZ result in the last 3 months. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:43 Nebuchad wrote: It was rather "unlucky" to get only one KR vs KR match out of a half random draw in the first place. Well, I mean more specifically for Major/Kela. But yeah, I'm not sure if I like the direct bracket format when doing these foreign/KR tournies. I believe the double elim. group format is much better for first round. Still enjoyable to watch, but if Major ends up the only one, then we're all just going to sigh ): | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:47 Boggyb wrote: I think Nerchio advancing is a decent bet. Dark doesn't have a top-tier ZvZ result in the last 3 months. And Nerchio does? | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:47 Boggyb wrote: I think Nerchio advancing is a decent bet. Dark doesn't have a top-tier ZvZ result in the last 3 months. I am actually not sure that Nerchio does (have a top tier ZvZ in the last 3 months). Didn't he recently lose to all of Elazer, Snute, Scarlett and Serral? | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 04 2017 00:00 bulya wrote: When did Nerchio played Scarlett since Nation Wars, which was almost half a year ago? For me, half a year ago is like yesterday. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:48 Blargh wrote: Well, I mean more specifically for Major/Kela. But yeah, I'm not sure if I like the direct bracket format when doing these foreign/KR tournies. I believe the double elim. group format is much better for first round. Still enjoyable to watch, but if Major ends up the only one, then we're all just going to sigh ): It's hard to give an estimation of course but with four matches where the korean has the advantage to the tune of I guess 60-70% it's not that unlikely that a foreigner would win one, given that it's Bo5 I don't think we have 50% chance but we're probably something like 40% to get one through. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On August 04 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: It's hard to give an estimation of course but with four matches where the korean has the advantage to the tune of I guess 60-70% it's not that unlikely that a foreigner would win one, given that it's Bo5 I don't think we have 50% chance but we're probably something like 40% to get one through. Scarlett, the foreign hope, will dismantle TY. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 04 2017 00:03 Nebuchad wrote: It's hard to give an estimation of course but with four matches where the korean has the advantage to the tune of I guess 60-70% it's not that unlikely that a foreigner would win one, given that it's Bo5 I don't think we have 50% chance but we're probably something like 40% to get one through. If you think the bo5 is "only" in favor of like 60-70% for the koreans then getting in at least one foreigner should be pretty high tbh | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11933 Posts
On August 04 2017 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: If you think the bo5 is "only" in favor of like 60-70% for the koreans then getting in at least one foreigner should be pretty high tbh Yeah I meant for a single map, if it's 35% at Bo5 you have 4 shots at 35% and you'd be unlucky to not win one. You need 25% at Bo5 level to be likely to win 1 out of 4 (obviously). Tbh I think some of the match-ups are above that, around 30% at Bo5 level and some below at around 20%, should probably round up at around 25 and expect a cointoss. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 03 2017 23:57 Diabolique wrote: I am actually not sure that Nerchio does (have a top tier ZvZ in the last 3 months). Didn't he recently lose to all of Elazer, Snute, Scarlett and Serral? Last 3 months of results vs. top non-Korean Zerg: 1-3 Elazer 4-1 Snute 0-3 Serral 2-1 Snute 0-2 Snute 0-2 Serral 2-1 TRUE 3-1 Elazer 2-1 Elazer 1-2 Elazer 0-2 Elazer That's a mixed bag, but is probably comparably better than Dark though Dark was playing Koreans and Nerchio was not. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 04 2017 03:22 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? ByuN vs Serral was excellent, all five matches (well maybe not the fifth). Others were all very onesided. | ||
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Topin
Peru10038 Posts
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
On August 03 2017 20:25 207aicila wrote: You think he's the only one forced to play his worst matchup? Better yet, you think progamers should have the luxury not to play their worst matchup? *looks at nationality* Nevermind... carry on. User was warned for this post I think if they make a global like koreans vs world the have to make it fair for all. Now it is a 100% lose for the most player Scarlett, ShoWTimE, iAsonu, Kelazhur, Nerchio. You like watching games who you know 100% who wins? Then you can watch bonze vs diamond is the same. you dont need a tournament who all know the first round is time waste. All palyer will be destroyed in this round. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On August 04 2017 19:27 JokerAi wrote: I think if they make a global like koreans vs world the have to make it fair for all. Now it is a 100% lose for the most player Scarlett, ShoWTimE, iAsonu, Kelazhur, Nerchio. You like watching games who you know 100% who wins? Then you can watch bonze vs diamond is the same. you dont need a tournament who all know the first round is time waste. All palyer will be destroyed in this round. It was fair for all. Invited players were seeded and their opponents (the voted-in players) were randomly drawn against them. | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
Example Worst matchup / best matchup Scarlett z vs t / z vs z ShoWTimE p vs z / p vs t Nerchio z vs z / z vs t Serral z vs t / z vs z Look at the stats. Scarlett vs ty is instand lose because scarletts worst matchup and ty is best matchup. ty have 64% winrate. Is like let the best fight vs the worst. on this lvl is bronze vs GM. ShoWTimE stays for the same problem. Serral doing realy well but is his worst matchup to. Nerchio is even with dark. Kelazhur i think never won a single best of vs SpeCial in brazil (american cups). You can handle some of this games if you switching some players serral vs sos. showtime vs byun. Scarlett vs dark. Nerchio vs Stats. i dont understand anyway why Stats play vs herO? | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
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