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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
July 23 2017 15:26 GMT
#381
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.
why even
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 23 2017 15:26 GMT
#382
Showtime is fucking dead, by the way.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 23 2017 15:26 GMT
#383
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

both potential semis are great yeah
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
July 23 2017 15:26 GMT
#384
On July 24 2017 00:26 Ej_ wrote:
Showtime is fucking dead, by the way.

yeah
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 23 2017 15:27 GMT
#385
On July 24 2017 00:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm in g4 of Gumiho - Zest. I see two proxies. Can't wait to see how it unfolds ^^

lol Zest should never have won that in any world of the full multiverse

the build he went for in g5 is beautiful though, I have to say I really want to try it


I think it only works against 2 base terran, especially tank pushes. Otherwise they just mass mines, hit later and your army melts
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 23 2017 15:27 GMT
#386
On July 24 2017 00:26 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:26 Ej_ wrote:
Showtime is fucking dead, by the way.

yeah

don't underestimate him too much
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
July 23 2017 15:27 GMT
#387
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.


Byun just 3-0ed Showtime yesterday, you shouldn't expect too much.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
July 23 2017 15:27 GMT
#388
On July 24 2017 00:26 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.

'On Korean ladder I played retired Korean Terrans who are better than any foreign Terran'
- Elazer

Sounds pretty RIP to me.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#389
On July 24 2017 00:25 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:22 Soularion wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:19 Ej_ wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:18 Soularion wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:17 Ej_ wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:16 Soularion wrote:
Maybe Serral is like the double slit experiment, and me observing him causes him to no longer be special, because the two tournaments I didn't watch (Katowice and Jonkoping) were the ones where he played really well.

Maybe you just don't watch many games at all and then extrapolate based on a very limited sample size. No need to make up fancy terms.

I mean, I've watched every major foreign event of the past couple years minus the two mentioned and I guess a HSC here and there, plus a solid amount of the qualifiers. It's a pretty ridiculous statement.

It's not that ridiculous when you call the player who occupied the #1 and #3 spot on the EU ladder for months "just good".

Ladder spots don't win you tournaments, and outside of Jonkoping, Serral doesn't have a single top 4 finish in his entire career. He's a good, talented player, I was just saying how I don't know if he can make the step from 'contender' to 'favorite'.

Lambo's above Elazer and TRUE on the EU Ladder, but I don't think that makes him the favorite over those two in a tournament setting, y'know?

Funnily enough, Serral fell off the #1 ladder spot when Elazer finished school and took it .

And yes, Elazer was a favorite to win both previous WCS events (where he lost to Neeb by 1 map in Jonkoping and choked vs TRUE in Valencia, reminder that Serral had the best ZvZ record outside Korea (outside soO, to be precise) prior to that event)
but eh, I guess he wasn't one of the 2 players who won those tournaments so he isn't a favorite despite being mentioned as the favorite for each and every of those and feared by every single player who isn't Terran?

who isn't a Terran in Korea*
why even
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#390
On July 24 2017 00:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:26 D-light wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.

'On Korean ladder I played retired Korean Terrans who are better than any foreign Terran'
- Elazer

Sounds pretty RIP to me.

TANGTANG 2 good
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#391
On July 24 2017 00:27 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I'm in g4 of Gumiho - Zest. I see two proxies. Can't wait to see how it unfolds ^^

lol Zest should never have won that in any world of the full multiverse

the build he went for in g5 is beautiful though, I have to say I really want to try it


I think it only works against 2 base terran, especially tank pushes. Otherwise they just mass mines, hit later and your army melts

yeah but it's a beautiful read. It's not like I never encounter tank pushes on the ladder, especially since I exclusively play 2 base colossi and some people tend to remind it
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#392
On July 24 2017 00:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:26 D-light wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.

'On Korean ladder I played retired Korean Terrans who are better than any foreign Terran'
- Elazer

Sounds pretty RIP to me.

TheBest crushing Elazer on ladder with banshees.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#393
On July 24 2017 00:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:26 D-light wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.

'On Korean ladder I played retired Korean Terrans who are better than any foreign Terran'
- Elazer

Sounds pretty RIP to me.


Classic Taeja
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#394
On July 24 2017 00:25 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:22 Soularion wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:19 Ej_ wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:18 Soularion wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:17 Ej_ wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:16 Soularion wrote:
Maybe Serral is like the double slit experiment, and me observing him causes him to no longer be special, because the two tournaments I didn't watch (Katowice and Jonkoping) were the ones where he played really well.

Maybe you just don't watch many games at all and then extrapolate based on a very limited sample size. No need to make up fancy terms.

I mean, I've watched every major foreign event of the past couple years minus the two mentioned and I guess a HSC here and there, plus a solid amount of the qualifiers. It's a pretty ridiculous statement.

It's not that ridiculous when you call the player who occupied the #1 and #3 spot on the EU ladder for months "just good".

Ladder spots don't win you tournaments, and outside of Jonkoping, Serral doesn't have a single top 4 finish in his entire career. He's a good, talented player, I was just saying how I don't know if he can make the step from 'contender' to 'favorite'.

Lambo's above Elazer and TRUE on the EU Ladder, but I don't think that makes him the favorite over those two in a tournament setting, y'know?

Funnily enough, Serral fell off the #1 ladder spot when Elazer finished school and took it .

And yes, Elazer was a favorite to win both previous WCS events (where he lost to Neeb by 1 map in Jonkoping and choked vs TRUE in Valencia, reminder that Serral had the best ZvZ record outside Korea (outside soO, to be precise) prior to that event)
but eh, I guess he wasn't one of the 2 players who won those tournaments so he isn't a favorite despite being mentioned as the favorite for each and every of those and feared by every single player who isn't Terran?

I just don't personally see him as a favorite, I guess. He might've taken a step forward this year, but as far as I've seen, he's always been a good-but-not-fantastic player with a lot of potential. Maybe he took a real step forward, but even then, the loss to uThermal and loss to TRUE show that something intangible is still missing. Still, not having watched Jonkoping probably makes me underrate Serral, which is unfortunate. Hopefully he shows up big sometime soon so I stop doubting him.
Writermaru pls
HKTPZ
Profile Joined May 2017
105 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#395
Congratulations to the Dutch Terran.

I didnt believe he stood a chance straight up against Serral without abusing Reapers

But looks like I was proven wrong
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
July 23 2017 15:28 GMT
#396
On July 24 2017 00:27 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.


Byun just 3-0ed Showtime yesterday, you shouldn't expect too much.

the score didn't do ShoWTime justice tbf though
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
July 23 2017 15:29 GMT
#397
On July 24 2017 00:28 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:27 Elentos wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:26 D-light wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.

'On Korean ladder I played retired Korean Terrans who are better than any foreign Terran'
- Elazer

Sounds pretty RIP to me.


Classic Taeja

The only thing TaeJa is gonna play when he has leave from military is Overwatch with Ryung, we both know it's true.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
July 23 2017 15:29 GMT
#398
On July 24 2017 00:28 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:27 Elentos wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:26 D-light wrote:
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

Apparently it's 30% on the KR ladder so eh.

'On Korean ladder I played retired Korean Terrans who are better than any foreign Terran'
- Elazer

Sounds pretty RIP to me.


Classic Taeja

Do I sense LIQUID BIAS ?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 23 2017 15:29 GMT
#399
ha nice results so far
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
July 23 2017 15:29 GMT
#400
On July 24 2017 00:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2017 00:25 Soularion wrote:
I wanna see Elazer vs ByuN to see if Elazer's ZvT has gotten any better, but I think ShoWTimE vs ByuN has the potential to be a fantastic series if ShoWTimE's in good form. Should be fun either way.

both potential semis are great yeah

I mean there's not much of a chance for either Showtime or Elazer.
why even
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