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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 16:59:05
March 05 2017 16:58 GMT
#1421
On March 06 2017 01:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:57 Makro wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:56 Elentos wrote:
Now his run really reminds me of Zest's in 2015. Unconvincing throughout the whole thing with a lot of questionable games, but absolutely on fire during the finals.

and both old KT

both are starcraft players as well

and korean

+ Show Spoiler +
(now that's textbook shitposting)
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 05 2017 16:58 GMT
#1422
Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.

Yeah ByuN is still really good but look at him vs Stats compared to these finals. No comparison.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 05 2017 16:58 GMT
#1423
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

That's because the lvl of competition back then was questionable at best compared to later Let's not pretend this is like Flash dominating 2010
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 05 2017 16:58 GMT
#1424
On March 06 2017 01:56 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:56 Elentos wrote:
Now his run really reminds me of Zest's in 2015. Unconvincing throughout the whole thing with a lot of questionable games, but absolutely on fire during the finals.


Was TY that unconvincing though?

He should have been out after the series vs GuMiho.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
March 05 2017 16:59 GMT
#1425
On March 06 2017 01:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.


Oh for sure this tournament Byun was worse. But it's only been a few months since Byun took all comers. I'm not counting him out yet.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 05 2017 16:59 GMT
#1426
On March 06 2017 01:58 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:56 Fango wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:56 Elentos wrote:
Now his run really reminds me of Zest's in 2015. Unconvincing throughout the whole thing with a lot of questionable games, but absolutely on fire during the finals.


Was TY that unconvincing though?

He should have been out after the series vs GuMiho.


oh yeah forgot about that one :D
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 05 2017 16:59 GMT
#1427
On March 06 2017 01:57 Fango wrote:
This tournament was better than blizzcon tbh

6 man round robin groups are really sick
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2017 16:59 GMT
#1428
On March 06 2017 01:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.


It amuses me greatly that INno is proving me right about how he's a choker, despite so many people telling me otherwise last year.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2017 16:59 GMT
#1429
On March 06 2017 01:59 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.


Oh for sure this tournament Byun was worse. But it's only been a few months since Byun took all comers. I'm not counting him out yet.

oh yeah then I agree. Based on this tournament he didn't look as good but I'm pretty sure he's still a force to be reckoned with.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 17:03:09
March 05 2017 17:00 GMT
#1430
Oh for sure this tournament Byun was worse. But it's only been a few months since Byun took all comers. I'm not counting him out yet.

Gyeonggi was excusable, GSL because of nerves, but now Katowice too?
Three strikes and you're out.

ByuN is still really, really good don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have TY's TvP or Inno's TvZ and his TvT is awful.
TY has best TvP.
Inno has best TvZ.
Everyone's (TY, Inno, aLive, Gumiho even) TvT is pretty close.
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 05 2017 17:00 GMT
#1431
On March 06 2017 01:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:57 Fango wrote:
This tournament was better than blizzcon tbh

6 man round robin groups are really sick


SSL seems to think so
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 05 2017 17:00 GMT
#1432
On March 06 2017 01:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:57 Fango wrote:
This tournament was better than blizzcon tbh

6 man round robin groups are really sick


Almost all of blizzcon was one sided series. The ro8 onwards here has been incredible with the exception of Dark-Serral
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2017 17:00 GMT
#1433
On March 06 2017 01:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.


It amuses me greatly that INno is proving me right about how he's a choker, despite so many people telling me otherwise last year.

INno can only win vs people who choke worse than he does
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 17:01:25
March 05 2017 17:01 GMT
#1434
On March 06 2017 02:00 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:57 Fango wrote:
This tournament was better than blizzcon tbh

6 man round robin groups are really sick


Almost all of blizzcon was one sided series. The ro8 onwards here has been incredible with the exception of Dark-Serral

I'd have been curious to see how far Serral could have gone had he avoided Z altogether, his vP seemed incredible and we didn't see his vT.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2017 17:01 GMT
#1435
Hmm, Olli said that build TY used is a direct hard counter to all robo builds.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 05 2017 17:01 GMT
#1436
On March 06 2017 01:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.


It amuses me greatly that INno is proving me right about how he's a choker, despite so many people telling me otherwise last year.


Because of this Terran dominance we didn't get to see much of their non TvT matchups. TY is obviously very good at TvP and TvT but innovation looked very good in TvZ.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 17:02:41
March 05 2017 17:02 GMT
#1437
It amuses me greatly that INno is proving me right about how he's a choker, despite so many people telling me otherwise last year.


?? TvT is super coinflippy. Just look at TY, winning two series 3-2. aLive won 3-2 and lost 2-3. Inno losing 2-3 after stomping Ryung 3-0 in no way proves he is a choker.
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TL+ Member
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 05 2017 17:02 GMT
#1438
On March 06 2017 02:01 stuchiu wrote:
Hmm, Olli said that build TY used is a direct hard counter to all robo builds.

hard counter ? That's going a bit far I'd say. You don't have to expand and if you don't you can pull out enough units to deal with the push. Or at least I think so...
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2017 17:02 GMT
#1439
On March 06 2017 02:01 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 01:59 stuchiu wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:56 flowSthead wrote:
On March 06 2017 01:54 pvsnp wrote:
But Mvp is a 4 times GSL champion. No one is even close to that.

In his day they had like 7 GSLs a year though.


It's less about the number of tournaments or prize money than how dominant a player is. There was a point in time where MVP had no equal. Picking between Byun, Innovation, and TY seems a toss up based on the tournament.

Byun looked less convincing than TY and INno I'd say. And aLive played pretty fantastic throughout. But yeah I agree with your point, he's not leading the field like Mvp could do back in the day.


It amuses me greatly that INno is proving me right about how he's a choker, despite so many people telling me otherwise last year.


Because of this Terran dominance we didn't get to see much of their non TvT matchups. TY is obviously very good at TvP and TvT but innovation looked very good in TvZ.


I think INno and TY are even in TvT.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 05 2017 17:03 GMT
#1440
On March 06 2017 02:02 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
It amuses me greatly that INno is proving me right about how he's a choker, despite so many people telling me otherwise last year.


?? TvT is super coinflippy. Just look at TY, winning two series 3-2. aLive won 3-2 and lost 2-3. Inno losing 2-3 after stomping Ryung 3-0 in no way proves he is a choker.


the rest of his career does that.
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