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On November 05 2016 08:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:
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don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain?  http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration. So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though. Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta. WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. I think PvP is the only MU that's better than ever in LotV. and I still don't know what everyone's talking about by ripping on HotS ZvP. Up until the SH nerf, ZvP was probably the most diverse MU we ever had. There were so many good HotS ZvP series it's ridiculous. Zest vs soO alone was one of the best GSL finals I've ever seen.
And Firecake vs Mana :p
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Austria24422 Posts
On November 05 2016 08:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:55 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:
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Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though. Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta. WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. HotS PvZ wasn't bad once swarmhosts weren't a thing anymore it was just as bad when Protoss could take 6:30 3rd and make stalkers on every map they didn't have to double guess themselves for proxy hatcheries Yeah you probably didn't play the game right then +2 blink was a garbage meta though. Disagree, it was much better than right now. It was terrible to watch. I disagree again. Personal preference I guess. Your preferences are very weird
I enjoyed playing it and knew how it worked quite well, that certainly enhances the experience
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On November 05 2016 09:00 Musicus wrote:
rofl, same thing when Neeb lost
Goddamn fucking asians who work hard to win fuck them.
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France12907 Posts
On November 05 2016 08:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:57 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Life4ever wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though. Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta. WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. HotS PvZ wasn't bad once swarmhosts weren't a thing anymore it was just as bad when Protoss could take 6:30 3rd and make stalkers on every map they didn't have to double guess themselves for proxy hatcheries But the blink sentry vs roach hydra micro battle was amazing. I remember PartinG doing such crazy things with his units. MICRO BATTLE you mean zerg watching forcefields and blink slowly kill them before hive Pretty sure I've seen Charoisaur say the exact same thing too Nobody gonna check if it's an alt? No? Okay. The odds that it's Charoisaur are better than Dark's odds against Elazer. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:58 Poopi wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Life4ever wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:51 FFW_Rude wrote:On November 05 2016 08:49 Life4ever wrote:
Foreigners have taken 0 maps of koreans at blizzcon thus far.
Will probably stay so unless Dark chokes against Elazer and drops a map.
Exciting tournament :D So Solar lost 0 maps ? Blizzcon, not the Global Finals. It's the same thing... No It is http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Global_Playoffs_and_Finals Why are you picking a dumb semantic argument with someone who believes that a single bo5 is a meaningful sample size and is probably Charoisaur? Am I the only one there that only has 1 account? :D Maybe you know how to take your bans like a man.
Well it's not like I have to actively do something xd.
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On November 05 2016 09:00 Shellshock wrote:how close was USA vs SK?
no idea
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On November 05 2016 08:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:
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don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain? http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration. So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though. Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta. WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. I think PvP is the only MU that's better than ever in LotV. and I still don't know what everyone's talking about by ripping on HotS ZvP. Up until the SH nerf, ZvP was probably the most diverse MU we ever had. There were so many good HotS ZvP series it's ridiculous. Zest vs soO alone was one of the best GSL finals I've ever seen.
zvp was a shitty turtly match up that had too much coin flips and terrible unit interactions
lotv zvp had been pretty amazing up until ling/ravager/bane vs mass archon into tempest meta
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On November 05 2016 08:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:55 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:
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Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though. Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta. WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. HotS PvZ wasn't bad once swarmhosts weren't a thing anymore it was just as bad when Protoss could take 6:30 3rd and make stalkers on every map they didn't have to double guess themselves for proxy hatcheries Yeah you probably didn't play the game right then +2 blink was a garbage meta though. Disagree, it was much better than right now. It was terrible to watch. I disagree again. Personal preference I guess. Your preferences are very weird
You'd understand his preferences better if you saw his PvZ winrate at the time.
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On November 05 2016 09:01 GumBa wrote:Goddamn fucking asians who work hard to win fuck them.
Yeah this is incredibly disheartening ... sigh... eSports, can you grow up already 
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On November 05 2016 08:59 GumBa wrote:
The worst era of pvp was whenever huk was semi relevant.
I remember several MC vs Huk that were amazing
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On November 05 2016 08:58 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:55 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though. Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta. WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. HotS PvZ wasn't bad once swarmhosts weren't a thing anymore it was just as bad when Protoss could take 6:30 3rd and make stalkers on every map they didn't have to double guess themselves for proxy hatcheries Yeah you probably didn't play the game right then +2 blink was a garbage meta though. Disagree, it was much better than right now. It was terrible to watch.
I Could watch PartinG outmicroing zergs with blink sentry for days
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Poll: Life4ever is:what is a chariosaur? (11) 48% Charoisaur alt (7) 30% Someone else with the exact same posting style (3) 13% An exiting newcomer (2) 9% 23 total votes Your vote: Life4ever is: (Vote): Charoisaur alt
(Vote): Someone else with the exact same posting style
(Vote): An exiting newcomer
(Vote): what is a chariosaur?
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France12907 Posts
On November 05 2016 09:01 GumBa wrote:Goddamn fucking asians who work hard to win fuck them.
Wait seriously SK beat US on OW? I bet it's a weird thing like pick players from random teams, because afaik SK teams are kinda bad atm on OW.
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Austria24422 Posts
On November 05 2016 09:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:55 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:52 Little-Chimp wrote:
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Imagine thinking the garbage that was WOL ZvP (corrupters and remaxes to kill collosus balls into super OP infestor builds) and HOTS ZvP (7 hour swarm host games) were better than the current ZvP meta.
WOL ZvT was probably better than the current one but man did HOTS ever blow. LOTV kills HOTS. HotS PvZ wasn't bad once swarmhosts weren't a thing anymore it was just as bad when Protoss could take 6:30 3rd and make stalkers on every map they didn't have to double guess themselves for proxy hatcheries Yeah you probably didn't play the game right then +2 blink was a garbage meta though. Disagree, it was much better than right now. It was terrible to watch. I disagree again. Personal preference I guess. Your preferences are very weird You'd understand his preferences better if you saw his PvZ winrate at the time.
Well I hated PvT but had a close to 80% winrate at the time, PvZ was actually my weakest matchup most of the time. Lots of stuff to die to if you made any mistakes. Little to die to if you didn't make any though.
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On November 05 2016 09:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Poll: Life4ever is:what is a chariosaur? (11) 48% Charoisaur alt (7) 30% Someone else with the exact same posting style (3) 13% An exiting newcomer (2) 9% 23 total votes Your vote: Life4ever is: (Vote): Charoisaur alt
(Vote): Someone else with the exact same posting style
(Vote): An exiting newcomer
(Vote): what is a chariosaur?
You better be right about this.
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On November 05 2016 09:02 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 09:01 GumBa wrote:Goddamn fucking asians who work hard to win fuck them. Wait seriously SK beat US on OW? I bet it's a weird thing like pick players from random teams, because afaik SK teams are kinda bad atm on OW.
I mean South Korea sent dedicated pros, I'm not sure what the US sent but a lot of other teams are pretty much just streamers.
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France12907 Posts
On November 05 2016 09:02 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 09:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 05 2016 08:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:58 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:56 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:55 Olli wrote:On November 05 2016 08:54 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:53 Olli wrote:
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HotS PvZ wasn't bad once swarmhosts weren't a thing anymore it was just as bad when Protoss could take 6:30 3rd and make stalkers on every map they didn't have to double guess themselves for proxy hatcheries Yeah you probably didn't play the game right then +2 blink was a garbage meta though. Disagree, it was much better than right now. It was terrible to watch. I disagree again. Personal preference I guess. Your preferences are very weird You'd understand his preferences better if you saw his PvZ winrate at the time. Well I hated PvT but had a close to 80% winrate at the time, PvZ was actually my weakest matchup most of the time. Lots of stuff to die to if you made any mistakes. Little to die to if you didn't make any though.
Terran always the victims 
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David Kim talking about "looking into new units in a balance patch". Meaning they don't need big expansions to do that, but no plans atm.
Still exciting.
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On November 05 2016 09:02 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 09:01 GumBa wrote:Goddamn fucking asians who work hard to win fuck them. Wait seriously SK beat US on OW? I bet it's a weird thing like pick players from random teams, because afaik SK teams are kinda bad atm on OW.
No they are not. But yeah not dominating yet (the teams)
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On November 05 2016 09:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Poll: Life4ever is:what is a chariosaur? (11) 48% Charoisaur alt (7) 30% Someone else with the exact same posting style (3) 13% An exiting newcomer (2) 9% 23 total votes Your vote: Life4ever is: (Vote): Charoisaur alt
(Vote): Someone else with the exact same posting style
(Vote): An exiting newcomer
(Vote): what is a chariosaur?
am I the only one who welcomes this exciting newcomer!?
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what a shame. nearly no crowd
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