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On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers.
liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either.
tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won.
I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough...
But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting...
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On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy
When it's only ultras it's winnable. When the Zerg gets the ultimate corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob, then it's definitely over.
Besides, Inno definitely didn't use his liberators to their best in that last game. He repeatedly stacked them and lost multiple to just one round of biles, that's not acceptable because they bile was pretty much Dark's only AA at the time.
Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans almost never lose? Maru is at 100% in TvT, TY well over 80%.
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On June 10 2016 23:01 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 22:52 Seeker wrote:
...What the hell happened today? INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough... But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting...
HerO put himself in situation where he knew he had to win or die.
Don't know about Seed/Sorry
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On June 10 2016 23:01 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 22:52 Seeker wrote:
...What the hell happened today? INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough... But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting...
Ahh sorry this was way too early for me 
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On June 10 2016 23:01 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 22:52 Seeker wrote:
...What the hell happened today? INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough... But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting...
3/3 Liquibets for once tonight!
HerO beat out Pet in a god awful series. Sorry got up 2-0 and choked like a boss. Both could have gone either way.
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So a shit player like Seed goes through, but Innovation doesn't? Nice seeding.
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On June 10 2016 23:04 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:01 Seeker wrote:On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 22:52 Seeker wrote:
...What the hell happened today? INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough... But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting... 3/3 Liquibets for once tonight! HerO beat out Pet in a god awful series. Sorry got up 2-0 and choked like a boss. Both could have gone either way.
Pretty much. Especially that part with HerO vs Pet being awful. I got sick when Tastosis said that was a good match. The only good thing there was Pet's smile.
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On June 10 2016 23:03 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans have winrates over 80% this year? Maru is at 100% in TvT, TY well over 80%.
they know how to flip the coin in their favor. sOs is also a master of this.
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On June 10 2016 23:03 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy When it's only ultras it's winnable. When the Zerg gets the ultimate corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob, then it's definitely over. Besides, Inno definitely didn't use his liberators to their best in that last game. He repeatedly stacked them and lost multiple to just one round of biles, that's not acceptable because they bile was pretty much Dark's only AA at the time. Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans have winrates over 80% this year?
Maru is at 70% TY at 65%+. edit : got period wrong, since 2016, make this 100% and 85%
corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob can probably be beaten by bio/libs/ghost/vkikings/thors since last patch, but we don't see games going that late in Korea...
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On June 10 2016 23:07 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:03 Elentos wrote:On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans have winrates over 80% this year? Maru is at 100% in TvT, TY well over 80%. they know how to flip the coin in their favor. sOs is also a master of this.
I'm pretty sure when you get to win rates like that you're not flipping coins.
On June 10 2016 23:07 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:03 Elentos wrote:On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy When it's only ultras it's winnable. When the Zerg gets the ultimate corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob, then it's definitely over. Besides, Inno definitely didn't use his liberators to their best in that last game. He repeatedly stacked them and lost multiple to just one round of biles, that's not acceptable because they bile was pretty much Dark's only AA at the time. Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans have winrates over 80% this year? Maru is at 70% TY at 65%+. corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob can probably be beaten by bio/libs/ghost/vkikings/thors since last patch, but we don't see games going that late in Korea...
Maru hasn't dropped a single map in TvT this year and TY has only dropped 3.
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On June 10 2016 23:06 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:04 Phredxor wrote:On June 10 2016 23:01 Seeker wrote:On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 22:52 Seeker wrote:
...What the hell happened today? INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough... But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting... 3/3 Liquibets for once tonight! HerO beat out Pet in a god awful series. Sorry got up 2-0 and choked like a boss. Both could have gone either way. Pretty much. Especially that part with HerO vs Pet being awful. I got sick when Tastosis said that was a good match. The only good thing there was Pet's smile.
I'm sorry, I cursed this series :
On June 10 2016 18:36 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 18:35 Phredxor wrote:On June 10 2016 18:34 Elentos wrote:I hope we won't have any "Better safe than Sorry" jokes today  Safe bet we will. I don't know what to expect from these first two matches. Pure greatness, like that Sleep vs Blaze series
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On June 10 2016 23:08 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:07 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 23:03 Elentos wrote:On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans have winrates over 80% this year? Maru is at 100% in TvT, TY well over 80%. they know how to flip the coin in their favor. sOs is also a master of this. I'm pretty sure when you get to win rates like that you're not flipping coins. Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:07 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 23:03 Elentos wrote:On June 10 2016 23:00 Charoisaur wrote:On June 10 2016 22:34 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 10 2016 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:
well liberators don't work against ultras Oh they do, they just don't do well when stacked against Ravagers. liberator heavy play can be so easily abused by the zerg because it's so immobile and can easily die to corruptors/vipers I think it's better to just make a few liberators and go more ghost heavy although ghost play isn't exactly reliable either. tvz lategame is just tough. Unless you have a huge lead I'm not sure it can be won. I can't believe Inno lost to jjackji considering how he played today. tvt is so coinflippy When it's only ultras it's winnable. When the Zerg gets the ultimate corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob, then it's definitely over. Besides, Inno definitely didn't use his liberators to their best in that last game. He repeatedly stacked them and lost multiple to just one round of biles, that's not acceptable because they bile was pretty much Dark's only AA at the time. Also if TvT is so coinflippy, how do the actual top Terrans have winrates over 80% this year? Maru is at 70% TY at 65%+. corruptor/viper/broodlord/infestor/ultra death blob can probably be beaten by bio/libs/ghost/vkikings/thors since last patch, but we don't see games going that late in Korea... Maru hasn't dropped a map in TvT this year.
yeah I forgot that TLPD is mixing HotS games in their stats, got it corrected thx.
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3/3 liquibets. although i attribute that to blind luck. code s is gonna be weird.
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On June 10 2016 23:11 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:06 Elentos wrote:On June 10 2016 23:04 Phredxor wrote:On June 10 2016 23:01 Seeker wrote:On June 10 2016 22:57 Gwavajuice wrote:On June 10 2016 22:52 Seeker wrote:
...What the hell happened today? INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough... But what the heck happened with HerO/Pet and Seed/Sorry? These are not the results I was expecting... 3/3 Liquibets for once tonight! HerO beat out Pet in a god awful series. Sorry got up 2-0 and choked like a boss. Both could have gone either way. Pretty much. Especially that part with HerO vs Pet being awful. I got sick when Tastosis said that was a good match. The only good thing there was Pet's smile. I'm sorry, I cursed this series : Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 18:36 Durnuu wrote:On June 10 2016 18:35 Phredxor wrote:On June 10 2016 18:34 Elentos wrote:I hope we won't have any "Better safe than Sorry" jokes today Safe bet we will. I don't know what to expect from these first two matches. Pure greatness, like that Sleep vs Blaze series
Well, sometimes that happens.
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On June 10 2016 23:05 Hider wrote:
So a shit player like Seed goes through, but Innovation doesn't? Nice seeding.
#gslneedsanewformat
Maybe they should adopt SSL Challenge?
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On June 10 2016 23:22 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:05 Hider wrote:
So a shit player like Seed goes through, but Innovation doesn't? Nice seeding. #gslneedsanewformat Maybe they should adopt SSL Challenge?
Tastosis often can't keep their sanity through a regular GSL group, imagine them them trying to survive a group like that.
I think if they just went back to Code A being a group stage (like 2014) it'd be fine.
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INno was brilliant but stubborn with playing 3 base MMMM against Dark's roach ravager into infest/corruptors/ ultras (mix varied from game to game). He almost won cause his execution was near to flawless but in the end it proved to not be enough...
I honestly think Dark received way too little praise for his multitasking and micro well from Artosis and Tasteless. He responded so well over and over. Very very high level play from both players, and it was just a completely different level of quality from the Sorry vs Seed series where both players demonstrated some of the worst mechanics/positioning I've seen from Koreans in a while.
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On June 10 2016 22:39 GumBa wrote:
Theres still PL and if sc2 doesnt DIE then next year INno. You'll rebound #believe. At least the rest of SKT is doing well and i have some cool terrans I like to cheer for still.
it is only june of 2016, next year seems so far away
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On June 10 2016 23:30 bestviva wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 22:39 GumBa wrote:
Theres still PL and if sc2 doesnt DIE then next year INno. You'll rebound #believe. At least the rest of SKT is doing well and i have some cool terrans I like to cheer for still. it is only june of 2016, next year seems so far away
Really hoping for some KeSPA Cup/Global Event announcements ._.
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