really good play, after the start i did not think maru would win but the tech from dark is kinda ...meh i guess vs someone who has such good micro with big armies.
Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
On April 25 2016 20:12 Seeker wrote: Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
His gameplan only seems to work against lesser players
On April 25 2016 20:12 Seeker wrote: Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
RIMMER: What are you waiting for? Gloop him. LISTER: I can't. He's not armed. RIMMER: Lister, this isn't a Scout meeting. We're not trying to win the Best- Behaved Troop flag. Gloop him. LISTER: What? In the back? RIMMER: Of course in the back. It's only a pity he's awake. LISTER: You mean you could happily kill him if he was asleep? RIMMER: I could happily kill him if he was on the job. Gloop him.
On April 25 2016 20:12 Noonius wrote: I will go and plead to DK to nerf terran because this is unbearable
Maru and TY are like the only terrans doing anything right now, even if (big if) they're OP live with it because it's only two (super fucking good) players anyway LOL
On April 25 2016 20:12 Seeker wrote: Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
His gameplan only seems to work against lesser players
On April 25 2016 20:12 Noonius wrote: I will go and plead to DK to nerf terran because this is unbearable
Maru and TY are like the only terrans doing anything right now, even if (big if) they're OP live with it because it's only two (super fucking good) players anyway LOL
TY is on a huge losing streak in PL and got to the GSL finals mostly with tvt
It's funny how different the crowd is in comparison to the first match. Freecs vs. CJ Entus had so little cheering, just one person trying to lead a CJ chant and no one piping up for Freecs.
On April 25 2016 20:12 Noonius wrote: I will go and plead to DK to nerf terran because this is unbearable
Maru and TY are like the only terrans doing anything right now, even if (big if) they're OP live with it because it's only two (super fucking good) players anyway LOL
TY is on a huge losing streak in PL and got to the GSL finals mostly with tvt
eh, fair, but still Maru/TY are the only terrans you'd jump to put in a top 5 list- and the fact that TY is fringe top-tier only proves my point further. Sure Dream and Cure and even Bunny are good, but they're far from OP. It's just Maru, and sometimes TY.
On April 25 2016 20:12 Seeker wrote: Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
His gameplan only seems to work against lesser players
On April 25 2016 20:12 Noonius wrote: I will go and plead to DK to nerf terran because this is unbearable
Maru and TY are like the only terrans doing anything right now, even if (big if) they're OP live with it because it's only two (super fucking good) players anyway LOL
TY is on a huge losing streak in PL and got to the GSL finals mostly with tvt
eh, fair, but still Maru/TY are the only terrans you'd jump to put in a top 5 list- and the fact that TY is fringe top-tier only proves my point further. Sure Dream and Cure and even Bunny are good, but they're far from OP. It's just Maru, and sometimes TY.
You underestimate Noonius. Even if Terran was doing terrible and only Maru was ever winning he'd take a nerf so Maru stops winning.
got here a minute ago and fuck i missed maru and dark because i forgot there was a second thingy on tonight.... fuark, could have gotten back into sc2. Oh well.
Also, classic looks like shit from the brief bit I've watched.
On April 25 2016 20:12 Noonius wrote: I will go and plead to DK to nerf terran because this is unbearable
Maru and TY are like the only terrans doing anything right now, even if (big if) they're OP live with it because it's only two (super fucking good) players anyway LOL
TY is on a huge losing streak in PL and got to the GSL finals mostly with tvt
eh, fair, but still Maru/TY are the only terrans you'd jump to put in a top 5 list- and the fact that TY is fringe top-tier only proves my point further. Sure Dream and Cure and even Bunny are good, but they're far from OP. It's just Maru, and sometimes TY.
You underestimate Noonius. Even if Terran was doing terrible and only Maru was ever winning he'd take a nerf so Maru stops winning.
finally someone gets it. I'd take one for the team
On April 25 2016 20:12 Seeker wrote: Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
His gameplan only seems to work against lesser players
like TY
? What does TY have to do with Maru vs Dark lol
TY played vs Dark last week and Dark did basically the same thing and won. Safe for the hidden base. Although TY gibbed himself by making tanks over mines.
On April 25 2016 20:12 Seeker wrote: Someone try to explain to me please why a Zerg would ever try to keep protecting his bases when he's spread out so wide against a Terran who is CLEARLY the best player at multi-tasking (drops, multi-pronged attacks). Like seriously, what the hell was Dark's game plan?
His gameplan only seems to work against lesser players
like TY
? What does TY have to do with Maru vs Dark lol
TY played vs Dark last week and Dark did basically the same thing and won. Safe for the hidden base. Although TY gibbed himself by making tanks over mines.
So when you know he is making that shit you make window mines and win easily. Dark too complacent I guess, as most Z.
On April 25 2016 20:26 Pandemona wrote: Ok the, potentially Ace Match on the cards, let's go Rogue!
This should go to soO without a major upset, even though I like Rogue Dream vs Trap much more favorable for JA though- and everyone who likes good sc2 should be rooting for an ace match, 'cause goddamn would Classic vs Maru or soO vs Maru be hype.
On April 25 2016 20:26 Pandemona wrote: Ok the, potentially Ace Match on the cards, let's go Rogue!
This should go to soO without a major upset, even though I like Rogue Dream vs Trap much more favorable for JA though- and everyone who likes good sc2 should be rooting for an ace match, 'cause goddamn would Classic vs Maru or soO vs Maru be hype.
Rogue is one of I think 2 Zerg players with a winning record against soO. So he's got that going for him.
On April 25 2016 20:26 Pandemona wrote: Ok the, potentially Ace Match on the cards, let's go Rogue!
This should go to soO without a major upset, even though I like Rogue Dream vs Trap much more favorable for JA though- and everyone who likes good sc2 should be rooting for an ace match, 'cause goddamn would Classic vs Maru or soO vs Maru be hype.
Rogue is one of I think 2 Zerg players with a winning record against soO. So he's got that going for him.
That's true, but keep in mind that soO still crushed him when they last played in Proleague back when soO was at the height of his ZvZ hotstreak so it's not like Rogue has his number too hugely or anything.
On April 25 2016 20:26 Pandemona wrote: Ok the, potentially Ace Match on the cards, let's go Rogue!
This should go to soO without a major upset, even though I like Rogue Dream vs Trap much more favorable for JA though- and everyone who likes good sc2 should be rooting for an ace match, 'cause goddamn would Classic vs Maru or soO vs Maru be hype.
Rogue is one of I think 2 Zerg players with a winning record against soO. So he's got that going for him.
That's true, but keep in mind that soO still crushed him when they last played in Proleague back when soO was at the height of his ZvZ hotstreak so it's not like Rogue has his number too hugely or anything.
Yeah but that was one of his only wins against Rogue at all. 7-3 for Rogue against soO is pretty impressive considering the next best is fucking Symbol at 4-2.
On April 25 2016 20:26 Pandemona wrote: Ok the, potentially Ace Match on the cards, let's go Rogue!
This should go to soO without a major upset, even though I like Rogue Dream vs Trap much more favorable for JA though- and everyone who likes good sc2 should be rooting for an ace match, 'cause goddamn would Classic vs Maru or soO vs Maru be hype.
Rogue is one of I think 2 Zerg players with a winning record against soO. So he's got that going for him.
That's true, but keep in mind that soO still crushed him when they last played in Proleague back when soO was at the height of his ZvZ hotstreak so it's not like Rogue has his number too hugely or anything.
On April 25 2016 20:41 Penev wrote: JA wins now probably, best team of Proleague
Issue is they are probably the best 3/4 but not the best team, SKT T1 clearly best squad but Jin Air have players like Maru sOs and Rogue who arguably can or are the best 3 in their respective races at a period of time.
On April 25 2016 20:41 Penev wrote: JA wins now probably, best team of Proleague
Issue is they are probably the best 3/4 but not the best team, SKT T1 clearly best squad but Jin Air have players like Maru sOs and Rogue who arguably can or are the best 3 in their respective races at a period of time.
Ye agree, but if they make it to the ace they should win with Maru in his current form
On April 25 2016 20:45 MiniFotToss wrote: Trap can't even beat Taeja, how will he beat Dream??!!
Trap is pretty on and off. One week he loses to TY, then he looks like a complete idiot and sacrifices 30 adepts against TaeJa, and then he convincingly beats TY. Trap can't decide if he wants to be great or just okay.
On April 25 2016 20:41 Penev wrote: JA wins now probably, best team of Proleague
Issue is they are probably the best 3/4 but not the best team, SKT T1 clearly best squad but Jin Air have players like Maru sOs and Rogue who arguably can or are the best 3 in their respective races at a period of time.
Ye agree, but if they make it to the ace they should win with Maru in his current form
On April 25 2016 20:44 Seeker wrote: Uhhhh... I was watching House of Cards and I missed it. What happened? How did soO lose?
Soo went Bane-nest before 3rd Hatch whereas Rogue went Bane-nest after - with the bo advantage and solid maneuvering and control, Rogue easily closed it out
I wonder what Trap was thinking when he decided to force the issue after killing all those SCVs - it was so obvious that Dream's only play at that point was sitting back and accumulating Libs with no gas for Armory gearing up for one push - Trap couldve easily taken a 4th at that time while making Templar Archives..
In no way do I think Jin Air is a bad team and in no way do I actually want to discredit their hard work. I'm just salty about SKT losing. So please, let me post what I want about how pissed I am without you guys needing an explanation from me T-T
On April 25 2016 21:23 Seeker wrote: In no way do I think Jin Air is a bad team and in no way do I actually want to discredit their hard work. I'm just salty about SKT losing. So please, let me post what I want about how pissed I am without you guys needing an explanation from me T-T
Completely understandable. I'd be pretty pissed if KT ends up losing to Afreeca tomorrow too. They've been sucking it pretty hard this round of PL yet they got 3 different players to be in the finals of Korean Individual leagues.
I just love sexy Rogue boy ... he is such a cool guy!!! His ceremonies do not have a weak point. Can't wait to watch it once again tonight when the VODs are out :-)
And thanks Bomber for giving me back the one point from my antiteam ... without my anti, I would be on the 4th place ... so next time ...
On April 25 2016 21:23 Seeker wrote: In no way do I think Jin Air is a bad team and in no way do I actually want to discredit their hard work. I'm just salty about SKT losing. So please, let me post what I want about how pissed I am without you guys needing an explanation from me T-T
Completely understandable. I'd be pretty pissed if KT ends up losing to Afreeca tomorrow too. They've been sucking it pretty hard this round of PL yet they got 3 different players to be in the finals of Korean Individual leagues.
Right now I'm still okay with KT because they've not started losing to worse teams yet. They better not dare lose to the Afreecas and MVPs of this world.
Although I'd appreciate it if KT players would stop derping in Proleague.
On April 25 2016 22:01 IntoTheheart wrote: JIN AIR GREEN WINGS
If only we could do this for actual playoff matches...
I think they have a good shot at it. The story of JAGW vs playoffs has been Maru inability to beat SKT zergs and byul. He beat one of them today and Byul isn't on top form.
On April 25 2016 22:01 IntoTheheart wrote: JIN AIR GREEN WINGS
If only we could do this for actual playoff matches...
I think they have a good shot at it. The story of JAGW vs playoffs has been Maru inability to beat SKT zergs and byul. He beat one of them today and Byul isn't on top form.
Judging by just today and the current meta, it is always a good strategy to field a protoss. SKT vs JAGW and Afreeca vs CJ, Protoss has won 100% of the games played.
On April 25 2016 23:06 Rollora wrote: Judging by just today and the current meta, it is always a good strategy to field a protoss. SKT vs JAGW and Afreeca vs CJ, Protoss has won 100% of the games played.
On April 25 2016 23:06 Rollora wrote: Judging by just today and the current meta, it is always a good strategy to field a protoss. SKT vs JAGW and Afreeca vs CJ, Protoss has won 100% of the games played.
At least in Proleague it makes sense to vote for Protoss
Judging by the apples that were hanging in my house today, 100% of apples were rotten. Very productive to do statistics over two matches.
That is why i wrote the words TODAY and current meta. But you could have also clicked the link, which are the PL statistics of the whole round, where its still favorable to vote for toss (60% winrate or so). So... you were saying?
On April 25 2016 23:06 Rollora wrote: Judging by just today and the current meta, it is always a good strategy to field a protoss. SKT vs JAGW and Afreeca vs CJ, Protoss has won 100% of the games played.
At least in Proleague it makes sense to vote for Protoss
Judging by the apples that were hanging in my house today, 100% of apples were rotten. Very productive to do statistics over two matches.
That is why i wrote the words TODAY and current meta. But you could have also clicked the link, which are the PL statistics of the whole round, where its still favorable to vote for toss (60% winrate or so). So... you were saying?
I clicked the link, and I saw that. I was commenting of the relevancy of using today's statistics, since they basically show nothing relevant.
On April 25 2016 23:06 Rollora wrote: Judging by just today and the current meta, it is always a good strategy to field a protoss. SKT vs JAGW and Afreeca vs CJ, Protoss has won 100% of the games played.
At least in Proleague it makes sense to vote for Protoss
Judging by the apples that were hanging in my house today, 100% of apples were rotten. Very productive to do statistics over two matches.
You want what, stats for the entire season so you could use it the next season when maybe there will be a balance patch hitting? :D.
You can't have big enough sample size in sc2 anyways and you don't need stats anyways to see patterns since... There is not a lot of data anyways so you can manually draw the conclusions you want.
On April 26 2016 00:12 GTR wrote: dream vs trap was one of the most craziest games that I've casted so far that my whole body was sweating profusely during the broadcast
Hmmm it was crazy yah but in the way u guys were casting it was More like trap was just very far ahead and could finish the game when he wanted.
On April 26 2016 00:12 GTR wrote: dream vs trap was one of the most craziest games that I've casted so far that my whole body was sweating profusely during the broadcast
Hmmm it was crazy yah but in the way u guys were casting it was More like trap was just very far ahead and could finish the game when he wanted.
Because Trap was very far ahead indeed? After the successful adept drop Dream was screwed, forced to sit out on 3 bases while trying to deny Trap's fourth, Trap failed a bit but a Dream win would have been hella surprising.
On April 26 2016 00:12 GTR wrote: dream vs trap was one of the most craziest games that I've casted so far that my whole body was sweating profusely during the broadcast
Hmmm it was crazy yah but in the way u guys were casting it was More like trap was just very far ahead and could finish the game when he wanted.
Because Trap was very far ahead indeed? After the successful adept drop Dream was screwed, forced to sit out on 3 bases while trying to deny Trap's fourth, Trap failed a bit but a Dream win would have been hella surprising.
It was a good game, but nothing compares to Rogue's BM ceremony :-)
I did not see Rogue's game unfortunately, only Maru and Dream, but I'm glad that Jin Air finally won with so many star players, and if ceremonies are still a thing it's awesome :D
On April 26 2016 04:40 Poopi wrote: I did not see Rogue's game unfortunately, only Maru and Dream, but I'm glad that Jin Air finally won with so many star players, and if ceremonies are still a thing it's awesome :D
On April 25 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol Dark
Fun match, let's see if Maru can win 10 in a row
what was the longest PL SC2 streak?
Don't know :/ Elentos where are you?
I looked into it a bit. From what I've found, the longest streak including playoff games and such was INnoVation with 13 consecutive games won (there was a break in between because of his run with Acer). The longest streak excluding playoffs that I've found besides Maru's was Zest last year who also won 10 round robin games in a row (he was actually 2 losses away from having a longer streak than INnoVation, if he won those 2 games he would have won 19 Proleague games in a row).
So basically Maru is a win away from being the sole holder of the record if you ignore playoffs. Unless I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure I covered the best PL players (herO's best streak was 9 RR games).
On April 25 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol Dark
Fun match, let's see if Maru can win 10 in a row
what was the longest PL SC2 streak?
Don't know :/ Elentos where are you?
I looked into it a bit. From what I've found, the longest streak including playoff games and such was INnoVation with 13 consecutive games won (there was a break in between because of his run with Acer). The longest streak excluding playoffs that I've found besides Maru's was Zest last year who also won 10 round robin games in a row (he was actually 2 losses away from having a longer streak than INnoVation, if he won those 2 games he would have won 19 Proleague games in a row).
So basically Maru is a win away from being the sole holder of the record if you ignore playoffs. Unless I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure I covered the best PL players (herO's best streak was 9 RR games).
Huh that is interesting, thanks for the research! Proleague usually only counts RR games for their records i think, so i go with Zest and Maru then :D
On April 25 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol Dark
Fun match, let's see if Maru can win 10 in a row
what was the longest PL SC2 streak?
Don't know :/ Elentos where are you?
I looked into it a bit. From what I've found, the longest streak including playoff games and such was INnoVation with 13 consecutive games won (there was a break in between because of his run with Acer). The longest streak excluding playoffs that I've found besides Maru's was Zest last year who also won 10 round robin games in a row (he was actually 2 losses away from having a longer streak than INnoVation, if he won those 2 games he would have won 19 Proleague games in a row).
So basically Maru is a win away from being the sole holder of the record if you ignore playoffs. Unless I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure I covered the best PL players (herO's best streak was 9 RR games).
Huh that is interesting, thanks for the research! Proleague usually only counts RR games for their records i think, so i go with Zest and Maru then :D
Now we have to compare that to BW, haha
Excluding playoffs, Flash got a 14-game winstreak in BW, upped to 16 by including playoffs.
On April 25 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol Dark
Fun match, let's see if Maru can win 10 in a row
what was the longest PL SC2 streak?
Don't know :/ Elentos where are you?
I looked into it a bit. From what I've found, the longest streak including playoff games and such was INnoVation with 13 consecutive games won (there was a break in between because of his run with Acer). The longest streak excluding playoffs that I've found besides Maru's was Zest last year who also won 10 round robin games in a row (he was actually 2 losses away from having a longer streak than INnoVation, if he won those 2 games he would have won 19 Proleague games in a row).
So basically Maru is a win away from being the sole holder of the record if you ignore playoffs. Unless I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure I covered the best PL players (herO's best streak was 9 RR games).
Huh that is interesting, thanks for the research! Proleague usually only counts RR games for their records i think, so i go with Zest and Maru then :D
Now we have to compare that to BW, haha
Excluding playoffs, Flash got a 14-game winstreak in BW, upped to 16 by including playoffs.
On April 25 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol Dark
Fun match, let's see if Maru can win 10 in a row
what was the longest PL SC2 streak?
Don't know :/ Elentos where are you?
I looked into it a bit. From what I've found, the longest streak including playoff games and such was INnoVation with 13 consecutive games won (there was a break in between because of his run with Acer). The longest streak excluding playoffs that I've found besides Maru's was Zest last year who also won 10 round robin games in a row (he was actually 2 losses away from having a longer streak than INnoVation, if he won those 2 games he would have won 19 Proleague games in a row).
So basically Maru is a win away from being the sole holder of the record if you ignore playoffs. Unless I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure I covered the best PL players (herO's best streak was 9 RR games).
Huh that is interesting, thanks for the research! Proleague usually only counts RR games for their records i think, so i go with Zest and Maru then :D
Now we have to compare that to BW, haha
Excluding playoffs, Flash got a 14-game winstreak in BW, upped to 16 by including playoffs.
How did you find that so fast :D
Well for BW I just went to the TLPD for Flash and set it to team leagues, then it showed me his best streak and I checked it for playoff games. I just assumed he had the longest streak, didn't check anyone else tbh. It's entirely possible Bisu or someone else had an even longer streak in PL.
On April 25 2016 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol Dark
Fun match, let's see if Maru can win 10 in a row
what was the longest PL SC2 streak?
Don't know :/ Elentos where are you?
I looked into it a bit. From what I've found, the longest streak including playoff games and such was INnoVation with 13 consecutive games won (there was a break in between because of his run with Acer). The longest streak excluding playoffs that I've found besides Maru's was Zest last year who also won 10 round robin games in a row (he was actually 2 losses away from having a longer streak than INnoVation, if he won those 2 games he would have won 19 Proleague games in a row).
So basically Maru is a win away from being the sole holder of the record if you ignore playoffs. Unless I missed someone, but I'm pretty sure I covered the best PL players (herO's best streak was 9 RR games).
Huh that is interesting, thanks for the research! Proleague usually only counts RR games for their records i think, so i go with Zest and Maru then :D
Now we have to compare that to BW, haha
Excluding playoffs, Flash got a 14-game winstreak in BW, upped to 16 by including playoffs.
How did you find that so fast :D
Well for BW I just went to the TLPD for Flash and set it to team leagues, then it showed me his best streak and I checked it for playoff games. I just assumed he had the longest streak, didn't check anyone else tbh. It's entirely possible Bisu or someone else had an even longer streak in PL.
Ok that makes sense. Flash is a good bet as well^^
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Dream vs Trap much more favorable for JA though- and everyone who likes good sc2 should be rooting for an ace match, 'cause goddamn would Classic vs Maru or soO vs Maru be hype.
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