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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 12:49:42
March 27 2016 12:49 GMT
#661
On March 27 2016 21:45 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
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On March 27 2016 21:33 Musicus wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:26 Musicus wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.

"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.


Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard.

He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me.

Well frankly, I think there were a bunch of players in Code A that are better than Stork and either didn't perform or just faced players much stronger than Stork (*cough* Maru vs Zest *cough*), so just the placement doesn't really mean much.

So yeah, he's just contextually very bad. Aka he was very bad in his matches today. Except against Harstem I guess. Well the first half of his rematch vs puCK was also fine.


That I can see, but then we should just say "Stork played very bad today/in this game".

Does not sound disrespectful and is way more precise.

Edit: Also I do not think his placement means he is top 24 in Korea, but I think around top 40 makes sense, even if you put Maru and the others that underperformed or got a hard draw ahead of him


OK, big list coming:

+ Show Spoiler +
herO
MyuNgSiK
Super
Billowy
Hurricane
Classic
HerO
Dear
Patience
sOs
Zest
Stats
Trap
Trust (14 P)

INnoVation
BrAvO
GuMiho
ByuN
TY
Journey
KeeN
Dream
SpeeD
Sorry
Cure
aLive
Maru
jjakji
Reality
Bomber
Bunny
TaeJa (18 T)

DeParture
ByuL
Rogue
Impact
Curious
soO
Losira
RagnaroK
Soulkey
Leenock
DRG
Dark
Solar (13 Z)


That's purely based off an eye test on Code A participants, and while you might be able to argue about a few of them, I'd like to see someone try to cut 15 players from the list for Stork to be top 40.

This isn't really Stork-bashing, cause I love him, but he's a coach, not a player. If anything, we should be marveling that he remains in the top 50 or so players in KR even while he's not a pro player


I thought about it, and I couldn't think of 15. On the other hand, 18+13+14 is 45, so cutting 5 is all that's needed and that's doable, although it's not very clear cut who's better between, let's say Stork and Billowy.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
March 27 2016 12:50 GMT
#662
oops
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 12:55:51
March 27 2016 12:55 GMT
#663
On March 27 2016 21:50 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
oops


haha, happens :D

Imagine trying to do math on stream!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
March 27 2016 12:58 GMT
#664
On March 27 2016 21:55 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 21:50 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
oops


haha, happens :D

Imagine trying to do math on stream!


I'm starting my master's in a few months
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 27 2016 12:59 GMT
#665
Result ?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
March 27 2016 13:02 GMT
#666
On March 27 2016 21:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 21:55 Musicus wrote:
On March 27 2016 21:50 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
oops


haha, happens :D

Imagine trying to do math on stream!


I'm starting my master's in a few months


lmao, okay that makes it funny
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 13:02:42
March 27 2016 13:02 GMT
#667
On March 27 2016 21:59 seemsgood wrote:
Result ?

Korea 18-6 Foreigners

+ Show Spoiler [Korean losers] +
Stork < puCK
DRG < Snute
TY < iAsonu
TY < Snute
ByuL < Harstem
Stork < puCK
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 13:02:47
March 27 2016 13:02 GMT
#668
On March 27 2016 21:59 seemsgood wrote:
Result ?


+ Show Spoiler +
Korea wins 18-6!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 27 2016 13:03 GMT
#669
On March 27 2016 21:11 Musicus wrote:
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On March 27 2016 21:03 Phredxor wrote:
I take that back. Stork is very bad


What does that say about Inno?

Nothing as there is especially no transitivity inter matchup
WriterMaru
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 27 2016 13:06 GMT
#670
Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 27 2016 13:10 GMT
#671
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote:
Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.

We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
March 27 2016 13:26 GMT
#672
On March 27 2016 22:10 Elentos wrote:
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On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote:
Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.

We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.


Yeah, a standard pool would favour KR more for sure.
I think foreigners underperformed here compared to what I expected, and we've seen before that series planning against a known opponent is generally something that the top tier KR pros are exceptional at. That said, I think the group format makes a foreigner upset far more likely than the old BO5 playoff style. I expect 1-2 foreigners to make it out, although obviously we've still got a hell of a long way to go to get a better idea of where things stand
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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 27 2016 13:32 GMT
#673
On March 27 2016 22:26 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 22:10 Elentos wrote:
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote:
Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.

We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.


Yeah, a standard pool would favour KR more for sure.
I think foreigners underperformed here compared to what I expected, and we've seen before that series planning against a known opponent is generally something that the top tier KR pros are exceptional at. That said, I think the group format makes a foreigner upset far more likely than the old BO5 playoff style. I expect 1-2 foreigners to make it out, although obviously we've still got a hell of a long way to go to get a better idea of where things stand

That why Foreigners need TLO.Kr team has stork's phenomenal player choice as a huge advantage.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 27 2016 14:05 GMT
#674
On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.


On March 27 2016 20:12 Scarlett` wrote:
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On March 27 2016 20:10 Creager wrote:
On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.


Hope you're not saying this just because of the free cash, but because of the overall atmosphere

the whole thing has been pretty amazing in person



That's awesome. Can I ask what makes this one particularly great in person? From a outside perspective it looks well run and the crowd is nice for sure.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6333 Posts
March 27 2016 14:21 GMT
#675
On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.


On March 27 2016 20:12 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 20:10 Creager wrote:
On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.


Hope you're not saying this just because of the free cash, but because of the overall atmosphere

the whole thing has been pretty amazing in person


Very happy you both like it!
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Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa288 Posts
March 27 2016 14:33 GMT
#676
Snute beating 2 Koreans and pulling some really cool moves against Byun.
What a legend.

Surprisingly entertaining games, there is certainly something to be said for a well run BO1-based format in terms of pure entertainment value.
The time that we kill keeps us alive
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 27 2016 17:31 GMT
#677
Oh wow my 18-6 prediction was actually correct. I didn't expect it to be after seeing the first 12 games especially considering how close some of those Chinese games were.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 27 2016 17:41 GMT
#678
are there any VODs of this? I'd like to see Snute vs TY and Byun in paticular
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 27 2016 17:49 GMT
#679
On March 28 2016 02:41 Shellshock wrote:
are there any VODs of this? I'd like to see Snute vs TY and Byun in paticular

The English twitch stream (link in OP) has the full broadcast archived. So feel free to click through the whole 7 hours and 40 minutes or so.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 27 2016 17:59 GMT
#680
On March 28 2016 02:49 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 02:41 Shellshock wrote:
are there any VODs of this? I'd like to see Snute vs TY and Byun in paticular

The English twitch stream (link in OP) has the full broadcast archived. So feel free to click through the whole 7 hours and 40 minutes or so.

Thanks!
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