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On March 27 2016 21:45 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 21:33 Musicus wrote:On March 27 2016 21:32 Elentos wrote:On March 27 2016 21:26 Musicus wrote:On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro. Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard. He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me. Well frankly, I think there were a bunch of players in Code A that are better than Stork and either didn't perform or just faced players much stronger than Stork (*cough* Maru vs Zest *cough*), so just the placement doesn't really mean much. So yeah, he's just contextually very bad. Aka he was very bad in his matches today. Except against Harstem I guess. Well the first half of his rematch vs puCK was also fine. That I can see, but then we should just say "Stork played very bad today/in this game". Does not sound disrespectful and is way more precise. Edit: Also I do not think his placement means he is top 24 in Korea, but I think around top 40 makes sense, even if you put Maru and the others that underperformed or got a hard draw ahead of him OK, big list coming: + Show Spoiler +herO
MyuNgSiK
Super
Billowy
Hurricane
Classic
HerO
Dear
Patience
sOs
Zest
Stats
Trap
Trust (14 P)
INnoVation
BrAvO
GuMiho
ByuN
TY
Journey
KeeN
Dream
SpeeD
Sorry
Cure
aLive
Maru
jjakji
Reality
Bomber
Bunny
TaeJa (18 T)
DeParture
ByuL
Rogue
Impact
Curious
soO
Losira
RagnaroK
Soulkey
Leenock
DRG
Dark
Solar (13 Z) That's purely based off an eye test on Code A participants, and while you might be able to argue about a few of them, I'd like to see someone try to cut 15 players from the list for Stork to be top 40. This isn't really Stork-bashing, cause I love him, but he's a coach, not a player. If anything, we should be marveling that he remains in the top 50 or so players in KR even while he's not a pro player
I thought about it, and I couldn't think of 15. On the other hand, 18+13+14 is 45, so cutting 5 is all that's needed and that's doable, although it's not very clear cut who's better between, let's say Stork and Billowy.
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Mute City2363 Posts
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On March 27 2016 21:50 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
oops
haha, happens :D
Imagine trying to do math on stream!
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Mute City2363 Posts
On March 27 2016 21:55 Musicus wrote:haha, happens :D Imagine trying to do math on stream!
I'm starting my master's in a few months
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On March 27 2016 21:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 21:55 Musicus wrote:On March 27 2016 21:50 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
oops haha, happens :D Imagine trying to do math on stream! I'm starting my master's in a few months
lmao, okay that makes it funny
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On March 27 2016 21:59 seemsgood wrote:
Result ?
Korea 18-6 Foreigners
+ Show Spoiler [Korean losers] +Stork < puCK
DRG < Snute
TY < iAsonu
TY < Snute
ByuL < Harstem
Stork < puCK
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France13023 Posts
On March 27 2016 21:11 Musicus wrote:What does that say about Inno?
Nothing as there is especially no transitivity inter matchup
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Wow and both side try hard as fuck too  I think blizzcon will be super epic  Not one side as people thought.
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On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote:Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On March 27 2016 22:10 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote:Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought. We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.
Yeah, a standard pool would favour KR more for sure.
I think foreigners underperformed here compared to what I expected, and we've seen before that series planning against a known opponent is generally something that the top tier KR pros are exceptional at. That said, I think the group format makes a foreigner upset far more likely than the old BO5 playoff style. I expect 1-2 foreigners to make it out, although obviously we've still got a hell of a long way to go to get a better idea of where things stand
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On March 27 2016 22:26 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 22:10 Elentos wrote:On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote:Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought. We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift. Yeah, a standard pool would favour KR more for sure. I think foreigners underperformed here compared to what I expected, and we've seen before that series planning against a known opponent is generally something that the top tier KR pros are exceptional at. That said, I think the group format makes a foreigner upset far more likely than the old BO5 playoff style. I expect 1-2 foreigners to make it out, although obviously we've still got a hell of a long way to go to get a better idea of where things stand
That why Foreigners need TLO.Kr team has stork's phenomenal player choice as a huge advantage.
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On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.
On March 27 2016 20:12 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 20:10 Creager wrote:On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best. Hope you're not saying this just because of the free cash, but because of the overall atmosphere  the whole thing has been pretty amazing in person
That's awesome. Can I ask what makes this one particularly great in person? From a outside perspective it looks well run and the crowd is nice for sure.
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China6333 Posts
On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.
On March 27 2016 20:12 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 20:10 Creager wrote:On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote:
This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best. Hope you're not saying this just because of the free cash, but because of the overall atmosphere the whole thing has been pretty amazing in person
Very happy you both like it!
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Snute beating 2 Koreans and pulling some really cool moves against Byun.
What a legend.
Surprisingly entertaining games, there is certainly something to be said for a well run BO1-based format in terms of pure entertainment value.
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Oh wow my 18-6 prediction was actually correct. I didn't expect it to be after seeing the first 12 games especially considering how close some of those Chinese games were.
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United States97277 Posts
are there any VODs of this? I'd like to see Snute vs TY and Byun in paticular
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On March 28 2016 02:41 Shellshock wrote:
are there any VODs of this? I'd like to see Snute vs TY and Byun in paticular
The English twitch stream (link in OP) has the full broadcast archived. So feel free to click through the whole 7 hours and 40 minutes or so.
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United States97277 Posts
On March 28 2016 02:49 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 02:41 Shellshock wrote:
are there any VODs of this? I'd like to see Snute vs TY and Byun in paticular The English twitch stream (link in OP) has the full broadcast archived. So feel free to click through the whole 7 hours and 40 minutes or so.
Thanks!
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