★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (1)
5%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (0)
0%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Stats?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (1)
4%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (0)
0%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (35)
71%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (11)
22%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (1)
2%
★★ - It was kind of meh. (1)
2%
★★★ - Good game. (1)
2%
49 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 3?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (9)
22%
★★ - It was kind of meh. (4)
10%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (1)
2%
41 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 4?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (2)
6%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (1)
3%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 5?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (0)
0%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 6?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (34)
87%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (4)
10%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (1)
3%
★★ - It was kind of meh. (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game. (0)
0%
39 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 7?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
Game 1 | Game 2 | Game 3 | Game 4 | Game 5 | Game 6 | Game 7
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
I'm still half a day earlier than the average LR thread this Proleague round.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
I remember that one time I did LR for a thread (it was a shit LR), and definitely felt some passion draining away. Perhaps Pande just eats the passion of everyone here to sustain himself?
I would make LR threads theoretically (it's really not hard) but i almost never can guarantee that i will be able to update it live. So there's that.. :/
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
I remember that one time I did LR for a thread (it was a shit LR), and definitely felt some passion draining away. Perhaps Pande just eats the passion of everyone here to sustain himself?
The worst criminal in the history of eSports? Literally killing it slowly by devouring passion? Unacceptable.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
I remember that one time I did LR for a thread (it was a shit LR), and definitely felt some passion draining away. Perhaps Pande just eats the passion of everyone here to sustain himself?
The worst criminal in the history of eSports? Literally killing it slowly by devouring passion? Unacceptable.
Yeah. he just bides his time. If he keeps up his posting the way it is and slowly drains all of us, he'll eventually have all the passion. Of course, there are more eSports than just SC2 (I know that's hard to believe), so he'll just keep moving on, and wait for the cycle to begin anew. ^__^
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
I remember that one time I did LR for a thread (it was a shit LR), and definitely felt some passion draining away. Perhaps Pande just eats the passion of everyone here to sustain himself?
The worst criminal in the history of eSports? Literally killing it slowly by devouring passion? Unacceptable.
Yeah. he just bides his time. If he keeps up his posting the way it is and slowly drains all of us, he'll eventually have all the passion. Of course, there are more eSports than just SC2 (I know that's hard to believe), so he'll just keep moving on, and wait for the cycle to begin anew. ^__^
Pandemona, Grand Reaper of Passion
Scary thought. And whenever the passion in one eSports runs dry, he plants the seed for the creation of a new one. That's why Kart Rider is a thing in Korea.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
I remember that one time I did LR for a thread (it was a shit LR), and definitely felt some passion draining away. Perhaps Pande just eats the passion of everyone here to sustain himself?
The worst criminal in the history of eSports? Literally killing it slowly by devouring passion? Unacceptable.
Yeah. he just bides his time. If he keeps up his posting the way it is and slowly drains all of us, he'll eventually have all the passion. Of course, there are more eSports than just SC2 (I know that's hard to believe), so he'll just keep moving on, and wait for the cycle to begin anew. ^__^
Pandemona, Grand Reaper of Passion
Scary thought. And whenever the passion in one eSports runs dry, he plants the seed for the creation of a new one. That's why Kart Rider is a thing in Korea.
Maybe he coded Shellbot as a means of displacing his unwanted passion (too much is dangerous), or maybe Shellbot-levels of passion are his vision for a glorious, Utopian society.
On March 22 2016 05:37 The_Templar wrote: [quote] how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
He probably has something to do with the disappearance of Lorning. Probably some weird shit going down.
I remember that one time I did LR for a thread (it was a shit LR), and definitely felt some passion draining away. Perhaps Pande just eats the passion of everyone here to sustain himself?
The worst criminal in the history of eSports? Literally killing it slowly by devouring passion? Unacceptable.
Yeah. he just bides his time. If he keeps up his posting the way it is and slowly drains all of us, he'll eventually have all the passion. Of course, there are more eSports than just SC2 (I know that's hard to believe), so he'll just keep moving on, and wait for the cycle to begin anew. ^__^
Pandemona, Grand Reaper of Passion
Scary thought. And whenever the passion in one eSports runs dry, he plants the seed for the creation of a new one. That's why Kart Rider is a thing in Korea.
Maybe he coded Shellbot as a means of displacing his unwanted passion (too much is dangerous), or maybe Shellbot-levels of passion are his vision for a glorious, Utopian society.
And Lorning had to be disposed off because his LR passion was threatening Pandemona's might. Prime served as a distraction to the masses.
So yeah, if I happen to disappear for undiscernable reasons tomorrow, it was probably Pande, emergency recommendation polls in the OP.
He'll just feed off those polls, too. One day, all will be empty but him, and as the only one in the hollowness, realize that passion alone won't sustain him.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
Because you, and Shellshock have no passion.
I only have passion for French sc2 now. Aeromi is an inspiration
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
Because you, and Shellshock have no passion.
I only have passion for French sc2 now. Aeromi is an inspiration
That KotN LAN that you watched in it's entirety says otherwise
Anyway, hyped to see Rogue and the rest of Jin Air crush it tonight
On March 22 2016 17:34 Diabolique wrote: Well, our "irrational hope" only knows, we can beat anyone. For example SKT. At the same time, we can lose to anyone. For example Afreeca.
Beating the SKT lineup they showed in round robin vs Jin Air is very different to the real SKT
On March 22 2016 17:34 Diabolique wrote: Well, our "irrational hope" only knows, we can beat anyone. For example SKT. At the same time, we can lose to anyone. For example Afreeca.
Beating the SKT lineup they showed in round robin vs Jin Air is very different to the real SKT
I am not sure. Inno was there. Of course, Dark and soO are another level. So we would maybe lose two matches. So an ace match, and I do not think, we would not be able to beat Dark once.
On March 22 2016 17:34 Diabolique wrote: Well, our "irrational hope" only knows, we can beat anyone. For example SKT. At the same time, we can lose to anyone. For example Afreeca.
Beating the SKT lineup they showed in round robin vs Jin Air is very different to the real SKT
I am not sure. Inno was there. Of course, Dark and soO are another level. So we would maybe lose two matches. So an ace match, and I do not think, we would not be able to beat Dark once.
Inno was the only one from their top lineup played that night.. It'd be like beating KT with TY/Leenock/Jjakji and Trust. It just isn't that impressive
I'm not saying Jin Air couldn't beat SKT, but it remains to be seen!
I've recently had some issues with the SPL stream on Twitch with Chrome. It never loads, just the spinning circle forever. Chat works fine and the stream works with IE.
I cleared my cache and stuff yesterday, which got it working again, but today it's back to spinning. I don't want to delete the cache every day. Anyone know what might be the problem?
On March 22 2016 18:03 Zephyp wrote: I've recently had some issues with the SPL stream on Twitch with Chrome. It never loads, just the spinning circle forever. Chat works fine and the stream works with IE.
I cleared my cache and stuff yesterday, which got it working again, but today it's back to spinning. I don't want to delete the cache every day. Anyone know what might be the problem?
On March 22 2016 18:03 Zephyp wrote: I've recently had some issues with the SPL stream on Twitch with Chrome. It never loads, just the spinning circle forever. Chat works fine and the stream works with IE.
I cleared my cache and stuff yesterday, which got it working again, but today it's back to spinning. I don't want to delete the cache every day. Anyone know what might be the problem?
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
I think it's because i have made every LR since new expansion came out, posted about 90% of the LRs since December too And Lorning is deader than all of the ex LR posters passion put together.
On March 22 2016 05:33 Elentos wrote: reserved for epic polls
how epic?
Hopefully epic enough to warrant closing Pandemona's thread!
Yo in future, don't wait this long to post a thread for something that is ok to post spoiler free after a rebroadcast that finished 2 hours ago as well. I only just got in from work the reason i posted it now. Not that i don't appreciate help with people making LRs as i was literally doing everything but it's nice to know if you want to do it or not.
Wait, why the heck are you the new LR bonjwa?
I think it's because i have made every LR since new expansion came out, posted about 90% of the LRs since December too And Lorning is deader than all of the ex LR posters passion put together.
Lorning died crying on the Prime grave As the true fan should. But enough with sad things!
god damn, how I hate when casters use the actual names for the upgrades. I mean who the hell says "Anion Pulse-Crystals", people just say "phoenix range upgrade". It makes me cringe
On March 22 2016 18:15 Noonius wrote: god damn, how I hate when casters use the actual names for the upgrades. I mean who the hell says "Anion Pulse-Crystals", people just say "phoenix range upgrade". It makes me cringe
On March 22 2016 18:15 Noonius wrote: god damn, how I hate when casters use the actual names for the upgrades. I mean who the hell says "Anion Pulse-Crystals", people just say "phoenix range upgrade". It makes me cringe
i dunno, i think it adds something to the depth of watching the game when casters use the proper names
On March 22 2016 18:17 Heartland wrote: remind me again, is there an english YT stream? I can't seem to open the one called "En" on the Esport TV site.
On March 22 2016 18:15 Noonius wrote: god damn, how I hate when casters use the actual names for the upgrades. I mean who the hell says "Anion Pulse-Crystals", people just say "phoenix range upgrade". It makes me cringe
On March 22 2016 18:15 Noonius wrote: god damn, how I hate when casters use the actual names for the upgrades. I mean who the hell says "Anion Pulse-Crystals", people just say "phoenix range upgrade". It makes me cringe
On March 22 2016 18:17 Heartland wrote: remind me again, is there an english YT stream? I can't seem to open the one called "En" on the Esport TV site.
On March 22 2016 18:15 Noonius wrote: god damn, how I hate when casters use the actual names for the upgrades. I mean who the hell says "Anion Pulse-Crystals", people just say "phoenix range upgrade". It makes me cringe
Am I the only one who can barely watch Proleague because it's laggy as fuck? Every other stream on Twitch works fine, but the Proleague stream just doesn't load whatsoever. Same with the Azubu stream: Every other stream works, but the Proleague one keeps lagging.
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (1)
5%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (0)
0%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend sOs vs Stats?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
I think Cure is a solid pick here. He's playing quite well, although Rogue is an okay person to throw out too. Stats is the easiest that Cure/Rogue will get to snipe IMO compared to TY/Zest while if you put Maru out now you're basically saying he'll 3-kill/4-kill or you will lose anyway.
Oh yeah Symbol left thats why i not seen him :3 Rogue would be a shout but he is still not himself so i was thinking more of a guy who isn't Maru and Trap xd
On March 22 2016 18:29 Olli wrote: I've also repeatedly heard Dear called the best protoss in the world when he's not even close
ehh you could almost kind of sort of make an argument if you didn't watch any matches and based your entire knowledge of Zest off of vs Dear and vs Journey or something
jjakji (His ID sux, can't do anything with it) (1)
8%
Just Trust in the coaching staff's decision (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Who is KT's "Fourth" Player?
(Vote): Just Trust in the coaching staff's decision (Vote): Nock Nock. Who's there? Lee! (Vote): They'll find one at the SpeeD of light (Vote): jjakji (His ID sux, can't do anything with it) (Vote): For the last time... I. AM. LOSIRA!
jjakji (His ID sux, can't do anything with it) (1)
8%
Just Trust in the coaching staff's decision (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Who is KT's "Fourth" Player?
(Vote): Just Trust in the coaching staff's decision (Vote): Nock Nock. Who's there? Lee! (Vote): They'll find one at the SpeeD of light (Vote): jjakji (His ID sux, can't do anything with it) (Vote): For the last time... I. AM. LOSIRA!
The real question is, will KT even need a 4th player ? (I like the Leenock one :D)
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (1)
4%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (0)
0%
25 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Jin Air vs KT Rolster game 2?
(Vote): ★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (Vote): ★★ - It was kind of meh. (Vote): ★★★ - Good game. (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (Vote): ★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances.
On March 22 2016 18:41 Seeker wrote: Maru is like the best terran player ever...
Mvp
Also I have no idea what Stats' build was supposed to be
Blink all in wasn't it, wanted observer to do some blinking everywhere etc. However lost everything then went DTs as all in/get back into game ? That was my take on it anyway.
On March 22 2016 18:41 Seeker wrote: Maru is like the best terran player ever...
Mvp
Also I have no idea what Stats' build was supposed to be
Blink all in wasn't it, wanted observer to do some blinking everywhere etc. However lost everything then went DTs as all in/get back into game ? That was my take on it anyway.
Was a safe blink/robo opening into almost all in DT drop (all in because super super late upgrades and no higher tech than blink). Not a fan, the DT drop has to do gigantic damage for that to work out, otherwise Maru just spams MMMM as he did and Stats won't ever have an army to contest it.
On March 22 2016 18:41 Seeker wrote: Maru is like the best terran player ever...
Mvp
Also I have no idea what Stats' build was supposed to be
Blink all in wasn't it, wanted observer to do some blinking everywhere etc. However lost everything then went DTs as all in/get back into game ? That was my take on it anyway.
Was a safe blink/robo opening into almost all in DT drop (all in because super super late upgrades and no higher tech than blink). Not a fan, the DT drop has to do gigantic damage for that to work out, otherwise Maru just spams MMMM as he did and Stats won't ever have an army to contest it.
Oh it was a defensive blink opener ahh i thought was 2 base push/all in blink ok. Thanks
jjakji (His ID sux, can't do anything with it) (1)
8%
Just Trust in the coaching staff's decision (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Who is KT's "Fourth" Player?
(Vote): Just Trust in the coaching staff's decision (Vote): Nock Nock. Who's there? Lee! (Vote): They'll find one at the SpeeD of light (Vote): jjakji (His ID sux, can't do anything with it) (Vote): For the last time... I. AM. LOSIRA!
On March 22 2016 18:49 Soularion wrote: Whoever wins this match wins the set as far as I can tell.
You don't believe in Zest?
I believe in Zest, but if Maru beats Zest the set is over and if Zest beats Maru there's still a chance for Jin Air to win if they have a sniper for Zest. I think Maru vs Zest is 50-50, therefor if Maru wins here Jin Air are pretty solidly favored (lets say 50-50 with a 90-10 win on one side and a 25-75 loss on the other side)
On March 22 2016 18:41 Seeker wrote: Maru is like the best terran player ever...
Mvp
Also I have no idea what Stats' build was supposed to be
Blink all in wasn't it, wanted observer to do some blinking everywhere etc. However lost everything then went DTs as all in/get back into game ? That was my take on it anyway.
Was a safe blink/robo opening into almost all in DT drop (all in because super super late upgrades and no higher tech than blink). Not a fan, the DT drop has to do gigantic damage for that to work out, otherwise Maru just spams MMMM as he did and Stats won't ever have an army to contest it.
Oh it was a defensive blink opener ahh i thought was 2 base push/all in blink ok. Thanks
Was a bit weird, he did add 7 gates before the third but I don't think there was ever any intention of it turning into an attack. It was weird and, imo, really not ideal.
what was that change blizzard was going to do with the MULEs so they wouldn't waste money anymore when they time out? did it happen or was it just being discussed?
On March 22 2016 18:49 Soularion wrote: Whoever wins this match wins the set as far as I can tell.
aren't individual maps called sets?
That makes no sense to me but I guess it might be true ;_;
Look at Tennis. A match consists of sets which consists of games. So the teams are having a match while the players are playing games/sets.
Which makes sense, but why call a Bo1 a set when a set is a collection of things? To me a set (collection of matches between players under teams) consists of matches (1v1s between players).
On March 22 2016 18:49 Soularion wrote: Whoever wins this match wins the set as far as I can tell.
aren't individual maps called sets?
That makes no sense to me but I guess it might be true ;_;
Look at Tennis. A match consists of sets which consists of games. So the teams are having a match while the players are playing games/sets.
a set is a group, using it to mean one game is probably a korean mistranslation of english that became standard there. it doesn't really matter, we still know what it means, but it is a mistake
★★★★★ - Do not miss this game under any circumstances. (35)
71%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game. (11)
22%
★ - Don't watch this if you have a choice. (1)
2%
★★ - It was kind of meh. (1)
2%
★★★ - Good game. (1)
2%
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Excellent defense here from Maru this game, TY put him under so much pressure, but Maru manage to hold on enough and expand well and keep in the game. Then he picks up a good engagement and spirals :D
On March 22 2016 19:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I do slightly miss the "chess-like" quality of WoL TvT, but this is okay too. Good game
There were a lot of very strategic moves there. The assault by TY that forced Maru to get behind originally and the insane base-trade were both intensely strategic, they just weren't as slow and calculated as WoL. So I like this a lot, yeah.
Does anyone else lead with two or three units like Maru does? Drawing tank fire like that is nuts. I've always wondered why Zerg never does that with Roaches or even lings
On March 22 2016 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: So, as I said, sending TY was a mistake, but I am glad. 2 reasons why I am so much happy now. Maru & Proxy Wings win. Also Noonius
TY fucked up royally by over extending and trying to fight him in his base. If he had just gotten out of there with at least half of his army, he would have had a chance to win. Instead he sacked his whole army for some factories
On March 22 2016 19:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I do slightly miss the "chess-like" quality of WoL TvT, but this is okay too. Good game
There were a lot of very strategic moves there. The assault by TY that forced Maru to get behind originally and the insane base-trade were both intensely strategic, they just weren't as slow and calculated as WoL. So I like this a lot, yeah.
I'm torn on the tankivac. The games are exciting but also a bit silly at times
On March 22 2016 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: So, as I said, sending TY was a mistake, but I am glad. 2 reasons why I am so much happy now. Maru & Proxy Wings win. Also Noonius
You can't sent best player in a lottery matchup.....
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
I'll say one was Noonius, one was Elentos not sure about the 3rd
On March 22 2016 19:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I do slightly miss the "chess-like" quality of WoL TvT, but this is okay too. Good game
There were a lot of very strategic moves there. The assault by TY that forced Maru to get behind originally and the insane base-trade were both intensely strategic, they just weren't as slow and calculated as WoL. So I like this a lot, yeah.
I'm torn on the tankivac. The games are exciting but also a bit silly at times
I like watching it between two players of this caliber, but don't particularly enjoy playing it.
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
I'll say one was Noonius, one was Elentos not sure about the 3rd
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
I might be all hate but at least I'm honest enough to give it 4 stars
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
I'll say one was Noonius, one was Elentos not sure about the 3rd
I didn't vote on it yet. But generally my votes are 0% salt.
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
I'll say one was Noonius, one was Elentos not sure about the 3rd
I gave it 4!
Yeah i always see you as a lover of sc2 more than a fanboy
On March 22 2016 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: So, as I said, sending TY was a mistake, but I am glad. 2 reasons why I am so much happy now. Maru & Proxy Wings win. Also Noonius
You can't sent best player in a lottery matchup.....
Yes, you can. Zest is probably the best player in LotV right now. Zest is better than Maru. You can save TY vs. any other Proxy Wings player, TY should be better. TY vs. Maru was a bigger gamble IMO.
But hey, I am not a coach, I am just theorycrafting, maybe TY was preparing for sniping Maru and failed
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
There's Noonius too, salty Maru anti-fan
I gave 4 stars. I resent the fact that there are shadow haters who feel safe to give great matches poor scores knowing that someone else would be "blamed" for the low mark
On March 22 2016 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: So, as I said, sending TY was a mistake, but I am glad. 2 reasons why I am so much happy now. Maru & Proxy Wings win. Also Noonius
Absolutely! Noonius is giving this victory a lot of additional delight :-)
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The 3 people who voted 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars must be super salty KT fans
I'll say one was Noonius, one was Elentos not sure about the 3rd
I gave it 4!
Yeah i always see you as a lover of sc2 more than a fanboy
I just want to see good games. Please cheer for me.
On March 22 2016 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: So, as I said, sending TY was a mistake, but I am glad. 2 reasons why I am so much happy now. Maru & Proxy Wings win. Also Noonius
You can't sent best player in a lottery matchup.....
Yes, you can. Zest is probably the best player in LotV right now. Zest is better than Maru. You can save TY vs. any other Proxy Wings player, TY should be better. TY vs. Maru was a bigger gamble IMO.
But hey, I am not a coach, I am just theorycrafting, maybe TY was preparing for sniping Maru and failed
He messed up.... his heartbeat rate was too high for a clear snipe shot....
On March 22 2016 19:10 deacon.frost wrote: So, as I said, sending TY was a mistake, but I am glad. 2 reasons why I am so much happy now. Maru & Proxy Wings win. Also Noonius
You can't sent best player in a lottery matchup.....
Yes, you can. Zest is probably the best player in LotV right now. Zest is better than Maru. You can save TY vs. any other Proxy Wings player, TY should be better. TY vs. Maru was a bigger gamble IMO.
But hey, I am not a coach, I am just theorycrafting, maybe TY was preparing for sniping Maru and failed
He messed up.... his heartbeat rate was too high for a clear snipe shot....
You can calm yourself by proper breathing, I did that before every driving lesson(I had a lessons 8 - 9:30 AM during the traffic spike )
On March 22 2016 19:33 Heartland wrote: shame that two guys who are masters of aggression and harassment play this Realityesque game (from a viewers standpoint)
On March 22 2016 19:41 Solar424 wrote: Surprised it took this long for Maru to start harassing. If you don't harass vs this type of army you're just going to get siege-hugged to death
Maru has been pushing him back for like 10-15 mins..
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So how do you win vs Liberators? I don't really follow the scene anymore but the few games I've seen with mass liberators they just win the fight like 80 supply ahead everytime
On March 22 2016 19:53 Rocket-Bear wrote: So how do you win vs Liberators? I don't really follow the scene anymore but the few games I've seen with mass liberators they just win the fight like 80 supply ahead everytime
On March 22 2016 19:53 Rocket-Bear wrote: So how do you win vs Liberators? I don't really follow the scene anymore but the few games I've seen with mass liberators they just win the fight like 80 supply ahead everytime
Hope this match is a lesson for any zerg players try to refuse Ultralisk's advantage and go straight into brood lord tech.... The timer still exist but because player refuse to.... I saw this situation happen alot in Happy's stream and almost zerg players rage quit.
On March 22 2016 19:53 Rocket-Bear wrote: So how do you win vs Liberators? I don't really follow the scene anymore but the few games I've seen with mass liberators they just win the fight like 80 supply ahead everytime
On March 22 2016 19:54 seemsgood wrote: Hope this match is a lesson for any zerg players try to refuse Ultralisk's advantage and go straight into brood lord tech.... The timer still exist but because player refuse to.... I saw this situation happen alot in Happy's stream and almost zerg players rage quit.
He had no timing with ultras. Did you not see the giant wall Maru made between his 3rd and 4th? That's the death of all ultras.
On March 22 2016 19:53 Rocket-Bear wrote: So how do you win vs Liberators? I don't really follow the scene anymore but the few games I've seen with mass liberators they just win the fight like 80 supply ahead everytime
On March 22 2016 19:54 seemsgood wrote: Hope this match is a lesson for any zerg players try to refuse Ultralisk's advantage and go straight into brood lord tech.... The timer still exist but because player refuse to.... I saw this situation happen alot in Happy's stream and almost zerg players rage quit.
He had no timing with ultras. Did you not see the giant wall Maru made between his 3rd and 4th? That's the death of all ultras.
It's mean he spented alot resource for that.Maybe the timing not lies in ultra,he must attack earlier just like Artur did a 3 base all in roach + ravager vs Happy.Hope this is the last time i saw a match where players just turtle and mass air.....
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Not enough corruptors and the few he had were pretty damn clumped
You know what.... IMO he need a equal vipers count compare with liberator count..... It doesn't matter because zerg can tech switch very fast so just focus on pure air and switch back to ground when terran take one billion years to do the same... Happy is literally a god ... who save terran late gem....
On March 22 2016 20:27 Eiltonn wrote: so blizzard is telling me they introduced the fking mofocore to "fix" pvp and yet the mu is still 1base bullshit vs 1base bullshit? wtf xD
Well when one player does a pretty big cheese that can happen ya. It usually isn't that way
On March 22 2016 20:27 Eiltonn wrote: so blizzard is telling me they introduced the fking mofocore to "fix" pvp and yet the mu is still 1base bullshit vs 1base bullshit? wtf xD
It's just because the map has the shortest rush distance since like WoL beta.
On March 22 2016 20:24 Pandemona wrote: Zest what are you doing xd
This is one of the strongest build in PvP, man. Immortal counters pylons and stalkers.
Whilst i agree it is strong, not when you scout it is not. He defended very silly vs it. He denied the first stalkers fine, he pushed the away. Then instead of starting to work on his defense/stopping the robo bay he went for a double pylon on top of it.
Then he moves 3 stalkers half way around the map to go to Zest base to die cuz he didn't even look at them, if he had that with the original push he might have been fine due to the phoenix was out to lift up the immortal.
On March 22 2016 20:32 Pandemona wrote: No question, SKT T1 are a mile ahead of any team though. I want Jin Air to continue the kong line though, 2nd place all the time :D
Yup. And Jin Air and KT are a tier above the rest of the teams too. Since CJ decided to suck.
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Altough I agree that protoss is weak in PvZ, seeing protoss get destroyed by zerg bullshit is so damn satisfying after having to get through an entire expansion of protoss bullshit :D
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
On March 22 2016 20:48 Silvana wrote: Damn I tune in for 5 min and I see Zest moving out with his Phoenixes while 2 Overlords prepare for drops near his base. What was he thinking?
That he already killed two scouting overlords and found another one in the middle of the map.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
There were like bgillion Queens there, right? Rouge could have transfused it, had Zest decided to focus fire it down.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
There were like bgillion Queens there, right? Rouge could have transfused it, had Zest decided to focus fire it down.
Zest tried but he didn't had the units. That's what I am talking about. Zest had 2 stalkers and a zealot, that's not what I call enough units to stop this BS. How many units is supposed to Protoss have to stop this, none?
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
I don't think killing nydus with probes is something I want. Either build units or die.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
There were like bgillion Queens there, right? Rouge could have transfused it, had Zest decided to focus fire it down.
You wouldn't even be able to transfuse it if 2 Immortals were there to hit it with few units...
Nydus might be badly designed atm, but it certainly wasn't the reason because of the Zest's loss.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I wish just for once KT could beat Jin Air in all-kill. Like, when it matters. Maybe KT would have won if they beat CJ and didn't have an extra match yesterday, but whatever.
So since there are only 3 rounds, I guess when SKT wins on Saturday they're already in the final playoffs?
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
And this.
The Nydus sealed the deal but Rogue should have won after those baneling bombs. This is not the game to use for complaining about Nydus imo
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
It was the Ovie drop that did it tho
Zest had a possibility at least try to recover but once nydus hit, it was all over
Every form of Nydus would have killed in that very moment. Rogue was double the army supply with some high energy queens, while all Zest had was 2 popping Immortals, 3 adepts, 1 stalker, 1-2 zelots, a msc and 5 phoenix. Against arround 10+5 (1st and 2nd wave) and arround 8-10 queens + lings. Even if it was the hots Nydus and Rogue would have set it infront of Zests 3rd or even outside of it... no chance to hold that for zest for long. Morph 1-2 Ravanger and get save the ramp to the main up and win it.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
As long as everyone agrees that it's dumb it's completely invulnerable.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
Why does it matter whether units or workers are being used? Should pylons/photon cannons also have armor, so that Zergs and Terran can only stop related abuse/cheese with units?
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
Nah Jin Air is gonna lose. 2nd place is clearly where they want to be. Just like last year, it's where they feel they belong.
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
Nah Jin Air is gonna lose. 2nd place is clearly where they want to be. Just like last year, it's where they feel they belong.
Hope classic and innvo won't dissapoint me again......
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
Why does it matter whether units or workers are being used? Should pylons/photon cannons also have armor, so that Zergs and Terran can only stop related abuse/cheese with units?
You are comparing Pylons/Photons/Bunkers with Nydus that is tier 2 and needs a big investment? Sorry, but you are just showing your incredible bias and really can't be taken seriously after this comment.
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote: lol KT I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT
Possibly. SKT is definitely the team to beat. Not sure what's so lolworthy about KT's performance though. They had to prepare for 2 matches in 2 days and ended up 1 map shy of winning both.
I mean really, this was a step up from how KT did against Jin Air last year.
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
Nah Jin Air is gonna lose. 2nd place is clearly where they want to be. Just like last year, it's where they feel they belong.
Yeah, most probably, Jin Air will be second. I am just laughing about the reasoning ... when you lost everything, you can still say, it is good that the team you hate won, because therefore, they can lose the next time. And if we win against SKT, he can say, it is good, because that more he will enjoy our loss next time :-)
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote: lol KT I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT
TY threw
Not sure why they sent leenock and play a boring long ass turtle game....
I think because he prepared for Terrans (Afreeca) and won yesterday they trusted him more than the others on the team, even with a macro game. Gotta remember, he used to be one of the best Zerg lategame guys.
Maybe telling him to all-in would have been better. But he's definitely the player I'd have sent out aswell.
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote: lol KT I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT
TY threw
He really kinda did. Unfortunate. I mean the actual tragedy in this is that we won't see TY play to make up for this for another 2+ weeks.
2+ weeks? When does the next round start? I guess at least a month break? :-(
Dunno. I think for the last two years the next round of PL always started ~2 1/2 weeks after the playoff finals for the previous round. That would be around mid April (the 11th or something). And his GSL group was pushed back by a week.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
Why does it matter whether units or workers are being used? Should pylons/photon cannons also have armor, so that Zergs and Terran can only stop related abuse/cheese with units?
You are comparing Pylons/Photons/Bunkers with Nydus that is tier 2 and needs a big investment? Sorry, but you are just showing your incredible bias and really can't be taken seriously after this comment.
It was an exaggerated comparison, just to show how nonsensical the idea behind an invulnerable or high armor Nydus is. Rouge was able to pull of nice harass and he would probably have won regardless of the follow up. But man, planting a Nydus right there where Zest can see it right away but can do nothing about it. It goes against the logic of cheese, that if you scout it, you have a much higher chance of stopping it. Invulnerable Nydus is the worst example of defenders disadvantage in this game.
On March 22 2016 20:48 Silvana wrote: Damn I tune in for 5 min and I see Zest moving out with his Phoenixes while 2 Overlords prepare for drops near his base. What was he thinking?
That he already killed two scouting overlords and found another one in the middle of the map.
I know, but this is Jin Air, they don't follow the common sense rules of "ok, it's not worthy anymore" and they are quite dirty players... Zest should have take another round of patrol around his bases, specially with a map such open.
Also correct me if I'm wrong in this but... Zest wasn't that much pressured to slow down the Zerg's economy, because it wasn't a 3 hatch before pool. He could afford another round of patrolling before heading to Rogue's base. Right?
On March 22 2016 20:48 Silvana wrote: Damn I tune in for 5 min and I see Zest moving out with his Phoenixes while 2 Overlords prepare for drops near his base. What was he thinking?
That he already killed two scouting overlords and found another one in the middle of the map.
I know, but this is Jin Air, they don't follow the common sense rules of "ok, it's not worthy anymore" and they are quite dirty players... Zest should have take another round of patrol around his bases, specially with a map such open.
Also correct me if I'm wrong in this but... Zest wasn't that much pressured to slow down the Zerg's economy, because it wasn't a 3 hatch before pool. He could afford another round of patrolling before heading to Rogue's base. Right?
After killing 3 overlords he probably thought "Well, he has overlord speed, there's no way I'll catch any out on the map now, no way he doesn't have them all at home."
I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
Why does it matter whether units or workers are being used? Should pylons/photon cannons also have armor, so that Zergs and Terran can only stop related abuse/cheese with units?
Because this requires bigger investment than pylons/cannons and hits later. I don't say make it invulnerable against workers, but I don't like the state of pre-LotV nydus, where you was just smiling and killing it with probe hit squad. That's just bad.
On March 22 2016 20:45 usopsama wrote: Blizzard and its Nydus design.
Yep. The only cheese in this game that you see like 1000 miles away and still can't do zip about it. I like cheese, as my user name suggests, but man where is the skill component to this cheese, if you can plant the nydus right in the middle of opponents vision and he can do nothing to stop it?
Well this wasn't the usual shit with transfusing the shit out of it. This was about Zest not having any units on the ground. I am OK with nerfing the nydus, but not based on this game, Zest had almost 0 units...
If nydus is vulnerable while it's being built, then Zest can just pull probes and prevent the nydus from ever coming up.
Which is good and logical. I mean, if I'm that daft of a player to plant a nydus/pylon/whatever right there where the opponent can see it, he should be able to stop it right away.
I agree. But with units. That's why I think the best way to fix the nydus is to add it armor and remove the invulnerability. This way you can kill it with actual units but you cannot kill it with workers
Why does it matter whether units or workers are being used? Should pylons/photon cannons also have armor, so that Zergs and Terran can only stop related abuse/cheese with units?
You are comparing Pylons/Photons/Bunkers with Nydus that is tier 2 and needs a big investment? Sorry, but you are just showing your incredible bias and really can't be taken seriously after this comment.
It was an exaggerated comparison, just to show how nonsensical the idea behind an invulnerable or high armor Nydus is. Rouge was able to pull of nice harass and he would probably have won regardless of the follow up. But man, planting a Nydus right there where Zest can see it right away but can do nothing about it. It goes against the logic of cheese, that if you scout it, you have a much higher chance of stopping it. Invulnerable Nydus is the worst example of defenders disadvantage in this game.
If the game was somewhat even he would have been able t o stop it.
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote: lol KT I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT
TY threw
Not sure why they sent leenock and play a boring long ass turtle game....
I think because he prepared for Terrans (Afreeca) and won yesterday they trusted him more than the others on the team, even with a macro game. Gotta remember, he used to be one of the best Zerg lategame guys.
Maybe telling him to all-in would have been better. But he's definitely the player I'd have sent out aswell.
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
what a way to twist the dagger
I'lll count this as a pro Bisu post.
Do posts that just in general contain the letters B, I, S and U count as pro Bisu and get people off of your shitlist?
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote: lol KT I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT
TY threw
He really kinda did. Unfortunate. I mean the actual tragedy in this is that we won't see TY play to make up for this for another 2+ weeks.
2+ weeks? When does the next round start? I guess at least a month break? :-(
Dunno. I think for the last two years the next round of PL always started ~2 1/2 weeks after the playoff finals for the previous round. That would be around mid April (the 11th or something). And his GSL group was pushed back by a week.
But usually there were 4 rounds per year. Now there are just 3 rounds per year. Therefore, I expect a break of 4-6 weeks :-(
On March 22 2016 20:48 Noonius wrote: well, at least we get to see JA lose on Saturday
I am happy to see Noonius becoming a fan of Jin Air! :-)
Noonius: Maru will lose against Stats. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 1 Noonius: Maru will lose against TY. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 2 Noonius: Maru will lose against Leenock. -> Damned! Noonius : Jin Air - 0 : 3 Noonius: Maru will lose against Zest. -> I told you! Eazy peazy! Noonius : Jin Air - 1 : 3 Noonius: Trap will lose against Zest. -> LOL! KT has won. Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 3 Noonius: Rogue will lose against Zest. -> Fuck! Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 4 Noonius: Good that Jin Air won, I can watch them being beaten on Saturday! -> Noonius : Jin Air - 2 : 14 :-)
what a way to twist the dagger
I'lll count this as a pro Bisu post.
Do posts that just in general contain the letters B, I, S and U count as pro Bisu and get people off of your shitlist?
I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.
Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote: lol KT I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT
TY threw
He really kinda did. Unfortunate. I mean the actual tragedy in this is that we won't see TY play to make up for this for another 2+ weeks.
2+ weeks? When does the next round start? I guess at least a month break? :-(
Dunno. I think for the last two years the next round of PL always started ~2 1/2 weeks after the playoff finals for the previous round. That would be around mid April (the 11th or something). And his GSL group was pushed back by a week.
But usually there were 4 rounds per year. Now there are just 3 rounds per year. Therefore, I expect a break of 4-6 weeks :-(
That doesn't sound very realistic because the season started in February though. Even with 3 rounds, if they take breaks of that length, they'll be done at around Blizzcon. With round 3. That's really late and not very good for the teams and players.
I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.
Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.
Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.
I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.
Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.
Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.
Even without perfect vision, overlords floated into his mineral lines unhindered at that point in the game. Why would that happen on this level of play if not for a drop? So just pull the damn probes.
I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.
Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.
Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.
Even without perfect vision, overlords floated into his mineral lines unhindered at that point in the game. Why would that happen on this level of play if not for a drop? So just pull the damn probes.
For scouting, 2 robos just went down - wouldn't have been an odd scout timing
But yeah he was slow to react. Nydus followup looks stupid but it's the bane drops that made it impossible to stop. Zest made mistakes, but I'm still not happy with PvZ. Protoss has essentially one build, zerg only need to figure out that they're not being all-inned and can then dictate exactly how they want the game to go.
Not a balance concern though. Just makes the matchup really boring from a protoss perspective.
I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.
Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.
Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.
Even without perfect vision, overlords floated into his mineral lines unhindered at that point in the game. Why would that happen on this level of play if not for a drop? So just pull the damn probes.
For scouting
But yeah he was slow to react. Nydus followup looks stupid but it's the bane drops that made it impossible to stop. Zest made mistakes, but I'm still not happy with PvZ. Protoss has essentially one build, zerg only need to figure out that they're not being all-inned and can then dictate exactly how they want the game to go.
Not a balance concern though. Just makes the matchup really boring from a protoss perspective.
Yeah, PvZ is quite stale already and not that interesting.
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
I haven't been watching my "3 hours" a week, but I wonder if we can get some map specialists for the Dark/soO combo.
Well, if nothing else, it will be interesting to see who plays on Saturday, whether it's Trap or Cure. I'd personally favor Cure over Trap against most players SKT could field (actually the only time I'd send out Trap over Cure is probably vs INnoVation). I hope the match will be at least half as good as the one today, otherwise I'll get even more annoyed that KT lost.
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.
Trap used to be very good at it, but it's now LotV, and his style of PvZ isn't really a thing anymore. Similarly, Cure always did well against Dark in HotS and poorly against soO.
So many things have changed in LotV, who knows how they match up now?
There's some matchups I think Jin Air should definitely avoid if they can, like Cure vs INnoVation. But it's hard to judge overall. Classic has been in bad shape recently, otherwise he'd be an excellent counter to pretty much anyone on Jin Air.
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.
Trap used to be very good at it, but it's now LotV, and his style of PvZ isn't really a thing anymore. Similarly, Cure always did well against Dark in HotS and poorly against soO.
So many things have changed in LotV, who knows how they match up now?
Either way I'm not that worried. As long as we make it to the finals this coming year, we'l be fine.
I think the biggest issue for SKT might actually be Rogue. He has really upped his play (esp. against Terran) since his exit from GSL (well, so has Maru) and he's got good enough ZvZ to beat Dark and soO.
On March 23 2016 00:02 Elentos wrote: I think the biggest issue for SKT might actually be Rogue. He has really upped his play since his exit from GSL (well, so has Maru). And he's got good enough ZvZ to beat soO more than once.
That being said, it's still coach iloveoov that we need to worry about - his crazy X-factor. He's also stated that his personal pet project is to get soO to win a big championship.
On March 23 2016 00:02 Elentos wrote: I think the biggest issue for SKT might actually be Rogue. He has really upped his play since his exit from GSL (well, so has Maru). And he's got good enough ZvZ to beat soO more than once.
That being said, it's still coach iloveoov that we need to worry about - his crazy X-factor. He's also stated that his personal pet project is to get soO to win a big championship.
He will teach Zoun a few dirty all-ins nobody knows yet and have him all-kill Jin Air. Just to mess with everyone.
On March 23 2016 00:02 Elentos wrote: I think the biggest issue for SKT might actually be Rogue. He has really upped his play since his exit from GSL (well, so has Maru). And he's got good enough ZvZ to beat soO more than once.
That being said, it's still coach iloveoov that we need to worry about - his crazy X-factor. He's also stated that his personal pet project is to get soO to win a big championship.
He will teach Zoun a few dirty all-ins nobody knows yet and have him all-kill Jin Air. Just to mess with everyone.
I bet you he already knows every build order, and has figured out mech but didn't bother to tell it to anyone for his surprise comeback run where he wins a GSL undefeated.
On March 23 2016 00:02 Elentos wrote: I think the biggest issue for SKT might actually be Rogue. He has really upped his play since his exit from GSL (well, so has Maru). And he's got good enough ZvZ to beat soO more than once.
That being said, it's still coach iloveoov that we need to worry about - his crazy X-factor. He's also stated that his personal pet project is to get soO to win a big championship.
He will teach Zoun a few dirty all-ins nobody knows yet and have him all-kill Jin Air. Just to mess with everyone.
I bet you he already knows every build order, and has figured out mech but didn't bother to tell it to anyone for his surprise comeback run where he wins a GSL undefeated.
He has actually figured out every matchup, he is just working on his mechanics with each race atm so his GSL winning undefeated run as a Random player will be easier.
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.
Trap used to be very good at it, but it's now LotV, and his style of PvZ isn't really a thing anymore. Similarly, Cure always did well against Dark in HotS and poorly against soO.
So many things have changed in LotV, who knows how they match up now?
Either way I'm not that worried. As long as we make it to the finals this coming year, we'l be fine.
After all those crushing 2nd places last year I think another 2nd place will break us.
TY vs Maru was great. TY must have the highest number of 5 and 4 star games since lotv release.
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Great news for SKT
Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.
It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
We'll probably 0-4.
Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.
Trap used to be very good at it, but it's now LotV, and his style of PvZ isn't really a thing anymore. Similarly, Cure always did well against Dark in HotS and poorly against soO.
So many things have changed in LotV, who knows how they match up now?
Either way I'm not that worried. As long as we make it to the finals this coming year, we'l be fine.
After all those crushing 2nd places last year I think another 2nd place will break us.
I doubt it. You got broken last year after taking 2nd place 3 rounds in a row, then bounced back just in time to get 2nd place overall in the Grand Finals. Don't think a 2nd place this round would shatter the team.
Although maybe then KT could finally beat Jin Air in all-kill. 0-5 right now
On March 23 2016 00:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ouch KT lost that sucks -.- TY lost also, meh Well nvm, i kinda like JinAir too
You must watch the games!!!! They were sooooooo good!!! Maru destroying Stats ... an excellent game Maru vs. TY for the best terran on Earth ... and the last Zest vs Rogue - a delight! :-)
On March 23 2016 00:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ouch KT lost that sucks -.- TY lost also, meh Well nvm, i kinda like JinAir too
You must watch the games!!!! They were sooooooo good!!! Maru destroying Stats ... an excellent game Maru vs. TY for the best terran on Earth ... and the last Zest vs Rogue - a delight! :-)
Hm is that a biased opinion or an actual legit one? :D I guess i will watch them no matter what though, JinAir vs KT has to be good i think^^
On March 23 2016 01:03 Elentos wrote: For the record, I've counted it out. KT is 0-5 in all-kill vs Jin Air.
For people who forget that Maru is actually the bane of KT Rolster and only focus on that one time sOs reverse all-killed them.
Maru averages 2.6 kills against KT. The highest for KT vs Jin Air is Zest at 1.2 kills per match. It's hilariously one-sided.
Maru is simply a beast, i am still sad that he had to play vs Zest in code a. Maru is always one of the best terrans, i think he might be the best terran ever tbh
On March 23 2016 00:44 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ouch KT lost that sucks -.- TY lost also, meh Well nvm, i kinda like JinAir too
You must watch the games!!!! They were sooooooo good!!! Maru destroying Stats ... an excellent game Maru vs. TY for the best terran on Earth ... and the last Zest vs Rogue - a delight! :-)
Hm is that a biased opinion or an actual legit one? :D I guess i will watch them no matter what though, JinAir vs KT has to be good i think^^
Maru destroying Stats and Rogue's baneling drops - that is biased :-)
Maru vs. TY was excellent.
In fact, I even liked Maru vs. Leenock an extremely long macro game, where Leenock had 3k-4k both minerals and gas in bank and a maxed out army, bases all over the map, while Maru was struggling with money and had just a few mining bases ... but with lots and lots of patience and harrass, he was able to win, although it did not look like possible in the middle of the match.
But I still liked mostly the final Rogue vs. Zest ace match ... so unexpected, so brilliant :-)
Sucks to say but Rogue killed Zest with sick style. Also UGH once again at invulnerable Nydus. If it would at least get canceled once you kill the Overlord..
Although it seems counter intuitive Phoenix openings are not actually good against Overlord drops at all. You don't have enough Phoenix out at that timing to kill the Overlords quickly enough, and the investment into air units means you have next to nothing on the ground and need your wall to defend. If the zerg units get inside your base you are in big trouble. You also can't be everywhere with the Phoenix at once, those drops can come in from so many angles, and patrolling the outskirts of your base is a complete waste of the Phoenixes if drops are not coming and can cause you to fall behind economically or fail to scout out some other impending all-in. It might actually make sense to open with a Void Ray first which hangs around to clear out nearby Overlords and stray lings while rallying the followup Phoenixes directly to the Zerg base to see what is going on. The Void Ray is also a lot more useful against other ground based aggression.
Serious question: Haven't I just recently seen a nydus being completely surrounded with units not being able to release any units? Wouldn't this have been a thing? Can warping pylons reduce the surface area on the nydus units are needed for?
On March 23 2016 04:46 Caspas wrote: Serious question: Haven't I just recently seen a nydus being completely surrounded with units not being able to release any units? Wouldn't this have been a thing? Can warping pylons reduce the surface area on the nydus units are needed for?
Honestly, I find the behavior of units exiting the nydus inconsistent. The game you're referring to is probably Solar vs Forte in Proleague, where Forte got a full surround with workers and no units came out of the nydus. But I've also seen units leave a nydus despite a full surround, and units jump out of the nydus over a building. Because reasons.
Maru fanboy right here! Maru is most excited pro gamer to watch. I think Maru got little bit tired after 2 very hard games. Maru for presidents for his multitasking and micro.
Ty vs Maru must be biggest throw of PL this year. Ty just had to load all of the siege tanks into the main and clump them out for the guaranteed win. He had like 30 seconds to do that and didn't have to do anything else (but prepare for a potential counterbase (?)) over that period.
Instead he had the tanks spread way too thinly so Ty only had like 2 tanks attacking as Maru stimmed up the ramp.
On March 23 2016 05:55 Hider wrote: Ty vs Maru must be biggest throw of PL this year. Ty just had to load all of the siege tanks into the main and clump them out for the guaranteed win. He had like 30 seconds to do that and didn't have to do anything else (but prepare for a potential counterbase (?)) over that period.
Instead he had the tanks spread way too thinly so Ty only had like 2 tanks attacking as Maru stimmed up the ramp.
Honestly, that's not how Terrans play. The usual Terran goes tunnel vision against anyone - usually Protoss. "I will sacrifice my whole army for your Nexus, BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA" and then the Terran dies with superior economy but no army. This was kinda similar.
On March 23 2016 05:55 Hider wrote: Ty vs Maru must be biggest throw of PL this year. Ty just had to load all of the siege tanks into the main and clump them out for the guaranteed win. He had like 30 seconds to do that and didn't have to do anything else (but prepare for a potential counterbase (?)) over that period.
Instead he had the tanks spread way too thinly so Ty only had like 2 tanks attacking as Maru stimmed up the ramp.
Honestly, that's not how Terrans play. The usual Terran goes tunnel vision against anyone - usually Protoss. "I will sacrifice my whole army for your Nexus, BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA" and then the Terran dies with superior economy but no army. This was kinda similar.
On March 23 2016 05:55 Hider wrote: Ty vs Maru must be biggest throw of PL this year. Ty just had to load all of the siege tanks into the main and clump them out for the guaranteed win. He had like 30 seconds to do that and didn't have to do anything else (but prepare for a potential counterbase (?)) over that period.
Instead he had the tanks spread way too thinly so Ty only had like 2 tanks attacking as Maru stimmed up the ramp.
Yeah, it was a huge throw. But I'm adamant Dear vs Maru was worse. aLive vs Stats the day before was also worse in my book.
On March 23 2016 05:55 Hider wrote: Ty vs Maru must be biggest throw of PL this year. Ty just had to load all of the siege tanks into the main and clump them out for the guaranteed win. He had like 30 seconds to do that and didn't have to do anything else (but prepare for a potential counterbase (?)) over that period.
Instead he had the tanks spread way too thinly so Ty only had like 2 tanks attacking as Maru stimmed up the ramp.
Yeah, it was a huge throw. But I'm adamant Dear vs Maru was worse. aLive vs Stats the day before was also worse in my book.
Dear vs Maru easily #1. That was god awful. I feel like even someone at my level wouldn't try do what Dear did.
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