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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 10:19:01
March 11 2016 10:12 GMT
#281
I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.

A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.

He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.

It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.

Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.

He explains himself here btw.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soe7tc

I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2276 Posts
March 11 2016 10:16 GMT
#282
nani :'(
Cogito, ergo Toss
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
March 11 2016 12:08 GMT
#283
Standard Firecake stuff. He's done stuff like this and acted like a complete jerk multiple times in the past; I don't know why people are surprised about how awful he acts. =/
Coypirus
Profile Joined February 2015
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 15:02:43
March 11 2016 12:31 GMT
#284
On March 11 2016 19:12 Musicus wrote:
I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.

A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.

He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.

It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.

Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.

He explains himself here btw.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soe7tc

I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
March 11 2016 12:44 GMT
#285
On March 11 2016 19:12 Musicus wrote:
I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.

A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.

He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.

It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.

Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.

He explains himself here btw.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soe7tc

I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.

organizers trying to make themselves bigger than the talent in the classic tradition of totalbiscuit

look, i don't care for "bad boy" players - don't like naniwa, not a big fan of firecake, etc. but bttv isn't taking a moral high ground here, they're just making it about rifkins dick versus firecakes dick, and i can't imagine anything more childish and boring. i watch for players, not organizers
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 11 2016 13:00 GMT
#286
Banned from Ogaming, now banned from bttv. I wonder his goal is in 2017.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Ltndmega
Profile Joined August 2012
Peru12 Posts
March 11 2016 13:07 GMT
#287
Random master/diamond players saying a pro is "throwing" Starcraft is more complicated than most people think...
Sometimes life takes you the best oportinity ever, and you just need to fuck it and make yourself a better one
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18042 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 13:57:11
March 11 2016 13:41 GMT
#288
On March 11 2016 21:44 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2016 19:12 Musicus wrote:
I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.

A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.

He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.

It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.

Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.

He explains himself here btw.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soe7tc

I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.

organizers trying to make themselves bigger than the talent in the classic tradition of totalbiscuit

look, i don't care for "bad boy" players - don't like naniwa, not a big fan of firecake, etc. but bttv isn't taking a moral high ground here, they're just making it about rifkins dick versus firecakes dick, and i can't imagine anything more childish and boring. i watch for players, not organizers


i do watch for really well organized events. so the organizers do matter. if they are really great organizers they are not noticed at all. What happens is i keep watching their events in the future.

On March 11 2016 21:44 brickrd wrote:
organizers trying to make themselves bigger than the talent in the classic tradition of totalbiscuit


adding to your point, BTTV uses this description "to have this sentence significantly reduced"
BTTV is the new 53rd State of the USA or maybe BBTV is the new 11th Province in Canada.
BTTV hands out "sentences".

the NFL , NHL , and NBA hand out suspensions. BTTV delivers "sentences".
I never knew Rifkin even went to law school.. much less was a judge.

On March 11 2016 14:30 BasetradeTV wrote:\ disrespect the fans, the broadcasters, and most importantly, the sponsors of this event.

how did Firecake disrespect the fans and the sponsors?

On March 11 2016 14:30 BasetradeTV wrote:
but chose to argue instead.

if you are going to start using words like "sentence" for your punishment then a counter argument is necessary for a fair trial.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 15:09:29
March 11 2016 15:07 GMT
#289
What is this nonsense?

I was looking forward to see something new about Rogue's state of mind when he plays against the Poltmaster, also wanted to Nerchio and Ryung do well ... a great group btw ... and then there is a chat about banning a player, because he rushed in the game?????? BTTW :-(((
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 11 2016 15:40 GMT
#290
Polt is going thor/hellbat/bio vs LBM. This actually makes a lot of sense with Zerg having way less larvae.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 15:45:21
March 11 2016 15:44 GMT
#291
Polt was way too passive, letting the zerg creep the entire map.... or drone as much as he wants... and build tanks while there is no roach warren, or don't build a single liberator vs mass mutas....
Zonalar
Profile Joined December 2011
Switzerland17 Posts
March 11 2016 16:44 GMT
#292
And then we have this Beauty www.youtube.com.

Come on BTTV. Throwing with mud now? This is childish and uncalled for.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
March 11 2016 16:52 GMT
#293
QUICKLY, NERF ZERG ULTRAS OP!!!!!!!!!!
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 11 2016 16:55 GMT
#294
On March 12 2016 01:52 Nerchio wrote:
QUICKLY, NERF ZERG ULTRAS OP!!!!!!!!!!

Dude you spoiled the outcome.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Lightbrite
Profile Joined February 2016
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 17:15:55
March 11 2016 17:14 GMT
#295
Oh hes banned after not being a push over and apologizing for YOUR lack of information. Goodbye basetrade, i used to tolerate your crap for the games but im done. Its not worth the second rate casting and tyrannical reactions to any player that stands up to one of their rules.. its stupid and not what the starcraft community needs. Rethink your attitude before your organization falls under because sponsors dont want to be represented by children.

Then you proceed to make a video making fun of him on youtube. REAL MATURE BRO
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18042 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 17:32:54
March 11 2016 17:14 GMT
#296
On March 12 2016 01:44 Zonalar wrote:
And then we have this Beauty www.youtube.com.
Come on BTTV. Throwing with mud now? This is childish and uncalled for.


instead of a silly edited VOD they should've just posted the actual game(s). if necessary they can edit out the swearing.

maybe its time for Rifkin to embrace the whole "evil promoter" angle and use it to his advantage.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Galathea
Profile Joined August 2012
France14 Posts
March 11 2016 17:39 GMT
#297
You are using your audience to make firecake look evil. You know he has always been hated, despite being one of the most serious and fairplay player. I'm glad to see some people read his tweetlonger though. Ogaming already abused their power to make him look like a bad guy, millenium refused to recruit him because their very pretentious line-up made of lilbow/mlord didn't accept him, firecake has always had trouble on the scene, he owes nothing to organizations, he has built his success over hard work and huge talent.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 18:23:10
March 11 2016 17:59 GMT
#298
edit: I had commented on the firecake situation before i realized this was the thread for the whole tournament. I don't want to derail the thread from current matches.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
March 11 2016 18:13 GMT
#299
On March 12 2016 01:52 Nerchio wrote:
QUICKLY, NERF ZERG ULTRAS OP!!!!!!!!!!

REPORTED!
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 11 2016 18:23 GMT
#300
elite swarm host play
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