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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
December 13 2015 22:36 GMT
#2381
On December 14 2015 07:35 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:34 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:33 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:29 Inflicted wrote:
That bottom half is so much weaker


Unless you literally mean "Korea is better than the rest." (Which... like duh?) I've got to disagree. Finland (Serral) took Korea to game 7 and I'd bet on any of lower bracket teams against any of the upper bracket teams other than Korea.

so you'd bet on Ukraine, France or Canada against Poland?


I would. Yup. I wouldn't be as confident with Ukraine vs Poland (mostly because Nerchio's ZvZ is SICK) but yeah.

I'd say it'd be a pretty big suprise if either Ukraine or Canada got like 2 maps off Poland

no bias
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 13 2015 22:37 GMT
#2382
On December 14 2015 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:35 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:34 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:33 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:29 Inflicted wrote:
That bottom half is so much weaker


Unless you literally mean "Korea is better than the rest." (Which... like duh?) I've got to disagree. Finland (Serral) took Korea to game 7 and I'd bet on any of lower bracket teams against any of the upper bracket teams other than Korea.

so you'd bet on Ukraine, France or Canada against Poland?


I would. Yup. I wouldn't be as confident with Ukraine vs Poland (mostly because Nerchio's ZvZ is SICK) but yeah.

I'd say it'd be a pretty big suprise if either Ukraine or Canada got like 2 maps off Poland

no bias

consdering your ace is nerchio, i agree with your statement
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 13 2015 22:39 GMT
#2383
On December 14 2015 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:35 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:34 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:33 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:29 Inflicted wrote:
That bottom half is so much weaker


Unless you literally mean "Korea is better than the rest." (Which... like duh?) I've got to disagree. Finland (Serral) took Korea to game 7 and I'd bet on any of lower bracket teams against any of the upper bracket teams other than Korea.

so you'd bet on Ukraine, France or Canada against Poland?


I would. Yup. I wouldn't be as confident with Ukraine vs Poland (mostly because Nerchio's ZvZ is SICK) but yeah.

I'd say it'd be a pretty big suprise if either Ukraine or Canada got like 2 maps off Poland

no bias


Canada I think could. I forgot you guys have Mana as well when I first made that statement. Still, did you see Scarlett the other day? She's back in form.

I'd like to say no bias... But I'm not sure I can.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
December 13 2015 22:39 GMT
#2384
On December 14 2015 07:39 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:35 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:34 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:33 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:29 Inflicted wrote:
That bottom half is so much weaker


Unless you literally mean "Korea is better than the rest." (Which... like duh?) I've got to disagree. Finland (Serral) took Korea to game 7 and I'd bet on any of lower bracket teams against any of the upper bracket teams other than Korea.

so you'd bet on Ukraine, France or Canada against Poland?


I would. Yup. I wouldn't be as confident with Ukraine vs Poland (mostly because Nerchio's ZvZ is SICK) but yeah.

I'd say it'd be a pretty big suprise if either Ukraine or Canada got like 2 maps off Poland

no bias


Canada I think could. I forgot you guys have Mana as well when I first made that statement. Still, did you see Scarlett the other day? She's back in form.

I'd like to say no bias... But I'm not sure I can.

well Canada has two players, one of them plays Dota and the other one's on EG
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
December 13 2015 22:40 GMT
#2385
if france can make it to the ro4 just for the sack of being at the venue i would be glad
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 13 2015 22:42 GMT
#2386
On December 14 2015 07:39 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:39 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:36 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:35 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:34 Alchemik wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:33 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:29 Inflicted wrote:
That bottom half is so much weaker


Unless you literally mean "Korea is better than the rest." (Which... like duh?) I've got to disagree. Finland (Serral) took Korea to game 7 and I'd bet on any of lower bracket teams against any of the upper bracket teams other than Korea.

so you'd bet on Ukraine, France or Canada against Poland?


I would. Yup. I wouldn't be as confident with Ukraine vs Poland (mostly because Nerchio's ZvZ is SICK) but yeah.

I'd say it'd be a pretty big suprise if either Ukraine or Canada got like 2 maps off Poland

no bias


Canada I think could. I forgot you guys have Mana as well when I first made that statement. Still, did you see Scarlett the other day? She's back in form.

I'd like to say no bias... But I'm not sure I can.

well Canada has two players, one of them plays Dota and the other one's on EG


Hah! Fair enough.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-13 22:55:03
December 13 2015 22:54 GMT
#2387
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 13 2015 22:55 GMT
#2388
Korea, Poland, Finland and France seems like a nice top4. And until then Stephano and Lilbow have a lot of time to improve, so they could actually make the final with the french crowd behind them.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 13 2015 22:59 GMT
#2389
On December 14 2015 07:55 Musicus wrote:
Korea, Poland, Finland and France seems like a nice top4. And until then Stephano and Lilbow have a lot of time to improve, so they could actually make the final with the french crowd behind them.


It'd be nice, but Canada will dream crush. I'll sig-bet on that if anyone is interested.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 13 2015 22:59 GMT
#2390
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


I entirely disagree with the first change. Double elimination just draws out the tournament way too much and reduces viewer interest. A bo3 or bo5 also doesn't work at all with nation war's format.

The second change could be okay. It would probably mean lower quality games on average though.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
December 13 2015 23:00 GMT
#2391
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


To be fair, except for Ukraine, every advancement match was won predominantly by one person--including Korea. Besides, I think we've seen that the "best" teams may not actually be the "best" teams. There have been a number of upsets here, and some unexpected players have played very well.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-13 23:10:33
December 13 2015 23:02 GMT
#2392
On December 14 2015 07:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


I entirely disagree with the first change. Double elimination just draws out the tournament way too much and reduces viewer interest. A bo3 or bo5 also doesn't work at all with nation war's format.

The second change could be okay. It would probably mean lower quality games on average though.


All the games in NW3 are Bo7 now (sorry for saying Bo5 before, I'm sleepy as hell at this point )
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 13 2015 23:05 GMT
#2393
On December 14 2015 08:02 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


I entirely disagree with the first change. Double elimination just draws out the tournament way too much and reduces viewer interest. A bo3 or bo5 also doesn't work at all with nation war's format.

The second change could be okay. It would probably mean lower quality games on average though.


All the games in NW3 are Bo5 now.


They're BO9 actually.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 13 2015 23:06 GMT
#2394
Tinfoil hat time - China and South Korea were seeded against each other in Ro8 to reduce travel costs from 2 Asian teams. :p
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
December 13 2015 23:07 GMT
#2395
On December 14 2015 08:00 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


To be fair, except for Ukraine, every advancement match was won predominantly by one person--including Korea. Besides, I think we've seen that the "best" teams may not actually be the "best" teams. There have been a number of upsets here, and some unexpected players have played very well.


Exactly my point
Sniping Innovation would mean so much more if he couldn't just come back to all-kill Finland.
Showtime defeating Serral would be more impactful.
Bly lost vs China but could come back to secure the win.

The games would be much more strategical and impactful if the key player (and like I said before there's often one player that's clearly better than the rest) if he couldn't just come back after losing.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
December 13 2015 23:08 GMT
#2396
On December 14 2015 08:05 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 08:02 True_Spike wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


I entirely disagree with the first change. Double elimination just draws out the tournament way too much and reduces viewer interest. A bo3 or bo5 also doesn't work at all with nation war's format.

The second change could be okay. It would probably mean lower quality games on average though.


All the games in NW3 are Bo5 now.


They're BO9 actually.


We're both wrong, they're Bo7 (as in a maximum of 7 games can be played). Bo5 LB would work well, my opinion.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-13 23:12:38
December 13 2015 23:10 GMT
#2397
On December 14 2015 08:08 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 08:05 TheDougler wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:02 True_Spike wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.


I entirely disagree with the first change. Double elimination just draws out the tournament way too much and reduces viewer interest. A bo3 or bo5 also doesn't work at all with nation war's format.

The second change could be okay. It would probably mean lower quality games on average though.


All the games in NW3 are Bo5 now.


They're BO9 actually.


We're both wrong, they're Bo7 (as in a maximum of 7 games can be played). Bo5 LB would work well, my opinion.


Unless wikipedia is incorrect all matches are BO9 from here on out:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NationWars_III

As in maximum of 9 games can be played.

Edit: Unless you mean, the losers bracket last round should have been BO5 and not Bo7, but I think the group stage worked pretty well as BO7 personally.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
December 13 2015 23:19 GMT
#2398
On December 14 2015 07:54 True_Spike wrote:
For next iteration of Nation Wars I really feel two changes would be very welcome:

1. Double elimination final bracket. Korea will most likely roll over everyone and they can potentially eliminate the two other best nations in the tournament if the draw is unfortunate, resulting in a rather anti-climactic finals. Maybe make the loser bracket matches bo3 instead of bo5 to make it happen?

2. 4 player teams with no revive system. Deeper rosters + sniping that key player (and there are quite a few teams that rely on a single person doing very well) would mean so much more. Deciding which player plays when would have more impact, as well.

Agree for both, but n°2 make it hard for small nation that have 3 good players but can't find a 4th one; and n°1 is make it harder to organize
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
December 13 2015 23:24 GMT
#2399
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Netherlands30548 Posts
December 13 2015 23:29 GMT
#2400
This will be Finland vs Netherlands finals now
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