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On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone.
Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS.
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On August 13 2015 22:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:57 Heartland wrote:
where is olli during this discussion?! He was watching from the airport earlier, so he is probably in the plane by now 
aww
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
Dropped Classic to death.
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On August 13 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now.
I tried but both speaking for entire groups of people and going full polirazed still occured
sigh
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On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
Multi-tasking mainly. Strong use of drops to pull apart Classic basically in the last 2 games. First game he got demolished in late game due to Classic having a much more powerful army.
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So many angry protoss fans :O
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On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
He played his boring drop everywhere style and won because classic threw the games
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On August 13 2015 22:02 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
He played his boring drop everywhere style and won because classic threw the games
Otherwise known as completely outplaying Classic (even in the game he lost).
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 13 2015 22:01 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now. I tried but both speaking for entire groups of people and going full polirazed still occured sigh
Certainly some of us are just feeling naughty and poking the bees nest
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On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains
"they are so ignorant, lets ignore them"
you just held a mirror in front of yourself.
Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win.
Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent.
Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell,
Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition.
However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc)
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Thanks for the replies, guys. Looks like the the race-war is strong in this LR. Glad to see TY got through, will definetly try to catch the vods later
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On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc)
It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch.
This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race.
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On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS.
He wrote in SC2. So only quoting HotS tournaments to prove him wrong doesn't work. I don't though the complete numbers though.
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I honestly think a lot of sc2 fans just regurgitate what they read in LRs, on twitter, in previews and above all by casters. People always repeat things that aren't applicable to the games at hand just because a specific player or race is playing.
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On August 13 2015 22:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 Penev wrote:On August 13 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now. I tried but both speaking for entire groups of people and going full polirazed still occured sigh Certainly some of us are just feeling naughty and poking the bees nest
Of course, of course. Too little humor overall though imo
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On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS.
what about in WOL?
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I don't want to see HyuN vs Classic again. I'm not sure Rogue or HyuN really have a chance but I want to see what Rogue will bring to bear.
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On August 13 2015 22:06 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. He wrote in SC2. So only quoting HotS tournaments to prove him wrong doesn't work. I don't though the complete numbers though.
I know. Thats why I specified HOTS. We're playing HOTS. The argument started about a HOTS game. Bringing up WOL, which is practically a different game, is dumb as fuck. Might as well bring up Brood War stats too.
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On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL?
Irrelevant.
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