★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
6%
35 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 1
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 2
★★★★- Highly recommended game (14)
48%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (9)
31%
★★★- Good game (4)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
3%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
3%
29 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 2
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 3
★★★★- Highly recommended game (24)
62%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (6)
15%
★★★- Good game (4)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
8%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
5%
39 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 3
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 4
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (49)
74%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (9)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (5)
8%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
3%
★★★- Good game (1)
2%
66 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 4
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 5
★★★- Good game (12)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
24%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 5
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 6
★- Do not see this game no matter what (6)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★- Good game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 6
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 7
★★★- Good game (5)
42%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 7
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
I'm not even sure why I'm making polls for this final. It's a complete joke. Classic will absolutely crush Dream. I am willing to take a sig bet with anyone about this. The only terran in the world that even stands a chance against the glorious Classic is Inno. Dream will always be a B teamer on SKT behind the world's greatest sexiest most interesting and handsome skillful majestic terran.
Dream best TvP in the world, gonna be another 4-0. His TvP has been incredible for a long time, it's only recently that is TvZ has improved a lot that he's getting noticed.
This is an interesting final from a storyline perspective. On one hand we have Classic, a Protoss many had written off as a Patchtoss, abusing the race to steal a GSL from soO. He's trying to validate his win as more than a fluke, and trying to become the first champion of Korea's two leagues. On the other, we have Dream, standing on the verge of the title of best Terran in the world. He's also trying to avoid following in teammate soO's footsteps and becoming the Kong of the SSL.
On June 20 2015 08:35 Solar424 wrote: This is an interesting final from a storyline perspective. On one hand we have Classic, a Protoss many had written off as a Patchtoss, abusing the race to steal a GSL from soO. He's trying to validate his win as more than a fluke, and trying to become the first champion of Korea's two leagues. On the other, we have Dream, standing on the verge of the title of best Terran in the world. He's also trying to avoid following in teammate soO's footsteps and becoming the Kong of the SSL.
Dream vs Classicin in StarLeague Season 2 finals. Dream has the #2 Headband. Dream is at 99.99% Blizzcon Chances, with a 64.99% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 100%, or 99.99% if they lose. Classic is at 76.42% Blizzcon Chances, with a 35.01% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 95.5%, or 66.15% if they lose.
Branch #2007 Biggest Winners Classic went up by 19.08%, going from 76.42% to 95.5%
Biggest Losers Stats went down by 1.32%, going from 53.85% to 52.53% Rogue went down by 1.31%, going from 46.32% to 45.01% FanTaSy went down by 1.13%, going from 46.67% to 45.54% Dark went down by 1.13%, going from 56.32% to 55.19% Zest went down by 1.02%, going from 79.31% to 78.3% sOs went down by 0.95%, going from 32.93% to 31.98% INnoVation went down by 0.8%, going from 25.8% to 25.01% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
ForGG went down by 0.69%, going from 55.7% to 55.02% GuMiho went down by 0.64%, going from 19.71% to 19.06% ByuL went down by 0.64%, going from 87.86% to 87.21% Soulkey went down by 0.64%, going from 13.31% to 12.67% Snute went down by 0.64%, going from 21.86% to 21.22% Bunny went down by 0.59%, going from 24.49% to 23.89% Trap went down by 0.57%, going from 19.03% to 18.47% Jaedong went down by 0.51%, going from 20.52% to 20.01% Hydra went down by 0.5%, going from 92.66% to 92.15% Polt went down by 0.49%, going from 94.57% to 94.08% Bbyong went down by 0.47%, going from 14.93% to 14.46% Lilbow went down by 0.42%, going from 13.92% to 13.5% MyuNgSiK went down by 0.34%, going from 7.38% to 7.05% TY went down by 0.3%, going from 7.74% to 7.44% Curious went down by 0.29%, going from 6.97% to 6.68% Dear went down by 0.29%, going from 7.09% to 6.81% HyuN went down by 0.27%, going from 7.26% to 6.99% MarineLorD went down by 0.21%, going from 6.16% to 5.95% TRUE went down by 0.2%, going from 4.88% to 4.69% Bomber went down by 0.18%, going from 3.89% to 3.7% Solar went down by 0.18%, going from 5.17% to 4.98% Leenock went down by 0.18%, going from 3.91% to 3.73% FireCake went down by 0.17%, going from 4.51% to 4.34% Harstem went down by 0.14%, going from 3.27% to 3.13% MMA went down by 0.14%, going from 2.79% to 2.65% Super went down by 0.14%, going from 2.78% to 2.64% TLO went down by 0.12%, going from 2.54% to 2.43% Petraeus went down by 0.12%, going from 2.91% to 2.79%
Branch #2006 Biggest Winners Stats went up by 0.71%, going from 53.85% to 54.55% Rogue went up by 0.71%, going from 46.32% to 47.03% FanTaSy went up by 0.61%, going from 46.67% to 47.28% Dark went up by 0.61%, going from 56.32% to 56.93% Zest went up by 0.55%, going from 79.31% to 79.86% sOs went up by 0.51%, going from 32.93% to 33.44% INnoVation went up by 0.43%, going from 25.8% to 26.23% + Show Spoiler [More Winners] +
ForGG went up by 0.37%, going from 55.7% to 56.07% GuMiho went up by 0.35%, going from 19.71% to 20.05% ByuL went up by 0.35%, going from 87.86% to 88.2% Soulkey went up by 0.34%, going from 13.31% to 13.65% Snute went up by 0.34%, going from 21.86% to 22.2% Bunny went up by 0.32%, going from 24.49% to 24.8% Trap went up by 0.3%, going from 19.03% to 19.34% Jaedong went up by 0.28%, going from 20.52% to 20.8% Hydra went up by 0.27%, going from 92.66% to 92.93% Polt went up by 0.26%, going from 94.57% to 94.83% Bbyong went up by 0.25%, going from 14.93% to 15.18% Lilbow went up by 0.22%, going from 13.92% to 14.14% MyuNgSiK went up by 0.18%, going from 7.38% to 7.57% TY went up by 0.16%, going from 7.74% to 7.9% Curious went up by 0.16%, going from 6.97% to 7.13% Dear went up by 0.16%, going from 7.09% to 7.25% HyuN went up by 0.14%, going from 7.26% to 7.41% MarineLorD went up by 0.11%, going from 6.16% to 6.27% TRUE went up by 0.11%, going from 4.88% to 4.99%
Biggest Losers Classic went down by 10.27%, going from 76.42% to 66.15%
I just realized that I used to dislike skt but now I feel like I root for alot of their players....I like classic, dream, dark and innovation xD. I actually wouldn't mind either of these guys winning, they both deserve it
On June 20 2015 13:02 jumpy_jumps wrote: Raining in Seoul today and doesn't look like it'll let up any time soon. If the final is at the floating islands will this get rained out?
It got relocated to the studio due to the MERS outbreak in Korea.
On June 20 2015 15:20 digmouse wrote: Can't see Classic winning more than 1 map here.
Every time someone say something bold like that, the other guy ends up winning the thing. Never underestimate anyone who is capable of making a finals.
On June 20 2015 17:41 WhenRaxFly wrote: When is this starting, I really want to watch this! I really like Dream's playstyle, it's just so solid yet aggressive.
in 45 min but there's probably like an half an hour pre-show
Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Damn straight Korean Terran of the year is TaeJa. Overall Terran of the year is Bunny for winning a Bo69 tho.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:45 Noonius wrote: why is only medium free?
because you're not watching on azubu!
thank you for making me look stupid for forgetting that there's azubu
what's the point of putting a medium free limit on twitch if we can watch at the best quality on azubu ?
Looking at the viewer numbers on both streams, I'd say that it's either a voluntary move to get more ppl on best 'Zubu or they just want to profit from the fact that apparently no one knows Azubu
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
No, the soO clause puts him above Maru
soO didn't win best zerg of 2014, did he?
If he hadn't I would have made a revolution on TL d: e : wait he really didn't? I remember him being best ZErg
On June 20 2015 18:45 Soularion wrote: [quote] I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
No, the soO clause puts him above Maru
soO didn't win best zerg of 2014, did he?
Yeah which was MASSIVE BULLSHIT FUCK YOU TL
idk it must feel good to have as many championships as your favorite zerg :^)
On June 20 2015 18:45 Soularion wrote: [quote] I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:44 GumBa wrote: Today Dream could make his mark as the best terran in the world and finally achieve what his potential has promised, or become the second coming of soO. Classic could finally shut the haters up who for some reason still think he isn't good.
I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
"But, you see, I have the will of the warrior. Therefore, the battle is already over. The winner? Me! Rematch? You lose again! Had enough? I thought so"
On June 20 2015 18:45 Soularion wrote: [quote] I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
No, the soO clause puts him above Maru
soO didn't win best zerg of 2014, did he?
Of course he did.
Oh yeah I thought the argument went the over way my b
On June 20 2015 18:45 Soularion wrote: [quote] I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:45 GumBa wrote: [quote] Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
On June 20 2015 18:50 OtherWorld wrote: Gotta love Protosses who stay on two bases during 18 minutes on ladder (': GOGO DREAM
2 bases is one more than they need to kill you, always remember that.
fair enough
How do you basetrade a 2 base Protoss?
CHECKMATE, mutalisks
ling/hydra/infest is cool though
I only play roach/hydra->vipers->BL and ling/bane->hive nowadays
I'm experimenting with various shit. Ling/bane into hive sounds fun, I'll give it a shot. Currently I like anything into 6-12 mutas to make the Protoss overreact, then transition into something else (usually featuring infestors)
On June 20 2015 18:45 Soularion wrote: [quote] I dunno man I'd still probably count Maru as equal to Dream, but maybe in short-term form Dream would be best terran.
Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
No, the soO clause puts him above Maru
soO didn't win best zerg of 2014, did he?
Yeah which was MASSIVE BULLSHIT FUCK YOU TL
He won best zerg of 2014, the hell you talknig about?
On June 20 2015 18:45 GumBa wrote: [quote] Dream is gonna be terran of the year above Maru. I will bet with you on that.
Nah, it'll be TaeJa. Sig bet, though?
Hmm sure. But you as a TL writer gives you an inate advantage in choosing terran of the year
It's one vote
One vote and taeja tl bias is enough to fuck me over. But fuck it sig bet is on that Dream is the better terran for 2015. And if he gets 3 silvers and maru has one gold and wins terran of the year fuck that Dream is better.
Depends. If Maru goes : Ro1/Ro16, Ro8/Ro8, Ro8/Ro4 and Dream goes : Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16, Ro2/Ro16 Maru would probably be over Dream.
No, the soO clause puts him above Maru
soO didn't win best zerg of 2014, did he?
Yeah which was MASSIVE BULLSHIT FUCK YOU TL
He won best zerg of 2014, the hell you talknig about?
Soularion misinformed me I already retracted my pitchfork. You used to be fast stuchiu
IEM WC has actually made me respect Zest as a champion. Prior to that tournament I really thought he only abused the meta but his performance there proved me wrong
On June 20 2015 19:04 sharkie wrote: IEM WC has actually made me respect Zest as a champion. Prior to that tournament I really thought he only abused the meta but his performance there proved me wrong
Did you miss his GSL championship or why would you think something like that?
On June 20 2015 19:06 OtherWorld wrote: It makes me sad to think that while SKT's new uniforms were among the worst like one month ago, but now they're among the best :/
Dream spawns in the top right Classic spawns in the bottom
2:00 Barracks/gas -> reaper for Dream. Classic opening with one gas after a gateway, followed by a cybernetics core at the natural ramp.
3:00 Classic expands and takes another gas. CC -> factory for Dream. Classic hides a probe. The reaper scouts the top left first.
4:00 Twilight council being made in Classic's main. Starport starts for Dream. The reaper has looked around the natural.
5:00 Classic gets three more gateways, almost entirely walling his natural, and blink. Dream moves out with 6 marines and a mine, killing the pylon unpowering the warp gate research.. Classic baits the mine shot and cleans up easily, but Dream drops the main and kills 8 probes.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
6%
35 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 1
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Dream spawns in the top right Classic spawns in the bottom
2:00 Barracks/gas -> reaper for Dream. Classic opening with one gas after a gateway, followed by a cybernetics core at the natural ramp.
3:00 Classic expands and takes another gas. CC -> factory for Dream. Classic hides a probe. The reaper scouts the top left first.
4:00 Twilight council being made in Classic's main. Starport starts for Dream. The reaper has looked around the natural.
5:00 Classic gets three more gateways, almost entirely walling his natural, and blink. Dream moves out with 6 marines and a mine, killing the pylon unpowering the warp gate research.. Classic baits the mine shot and cleans up easily, but Dream drops the main and kills 8 probes.
8:00 Dream 53 vs Classic 38 Classic warps in a few units offensively. Classic is only on 19 workers vs 43. A bunker and widow mine fall easily. The only observer flies into a missile turret but a very nice time warp allows Classic to kill the marauders. Tons of SCVs are dying.
10:00 Dream 34 vs Classic 45 The bunker in the main falls. Dream GG's! Classic wins!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
6%
35 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 1
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
how the hell was this one of the best games of the season? People need to get off the classic hype train
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
6%
35 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 1
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
how the hell was this one of the best games of the season? People need to get off the classic hype train
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
6%
35 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 1
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
how the hell was this one of the best games of the season? People need to get off the classic hype train
On June 20 2015 19:09 DarkLordOlli wrote: Not really a comeback, there was no stim vs a giant blink stalker army.
yeah classic never really lost the lead. casters were talking about how classic was behind and I was just saying "Well that's a fuckload of blinkstalkers"
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
6%
35 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 1
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 20 2015 19:09 DarkLordOlli wrote: Not really a comeback, there was no stim vs a giant blink stalker army.
yeah classic never really lost the lead. casters were talking about how classic was behind and I was just saying "Well that's a fuckload of blinkstalkers"
Well it was kinda like "I sacrifice whole army for your nexus" move with that medevac and marines so he lost.
On June 20 2015 19:12 sharkie wrote: Dream built too many scvs didn't he? It showed 17 scv losses during the battle and Dream still had 20+ remaining in his units tab
He just kept making them, which is fine. Needed more bunkers though.
Dream spawns in the bottom left Classic spawns in the top right
2:00 Nexus first versus barracks/gas. Dream actually getting a marine despite having enough gas for a reaper. That will cost him. Gateway/double gas for Classic.
3:00 Dream building a factory. Classic scouting the bottom right first. Dream checking the top left with his first marine and scouting for proxies with his second.
4:00 The probe runs into the second marine but gets away. Classic expanding. A reactor was made on the barracks and is moved to the factory. MSC/Stalker for Classic. Dream building two hellions.
5:00 Robotics facility for Classic. Dream gets two hellions into the natural, then one in the main but only kills 3 probes. Medivac and two mines for Dream. Dream getting an engineering bay.
On June 20 2015 19:14 The_Templar wrote: Is this a Maru build?
with only 1 hellion?
There were two, followed by two more.
Both Cure and Maru have utilized this build at times on larger maps where protoss players cut early stalkers, it can do critical damage if micro'd well.
On June 20 2015 19:14 The_Templar wrote: Is this a Maru build?
with only 1 hellion?
There were two, followed by two more.
Both Cure and Maru have utilized this build at times on larger maps where protoss players cut early stalkers, it can do critical damage if micro'd well.
On June 20 2015 19:14 The_Templar wrote: Is this a Maru build?
with only 1 hellion?
There were two, followed by two more.
Both Cure and Maru have utilized this build at times on larger maps where protoss players cut early stalkers, it can do critical damage if micro'd well.
Dream spawns in the bottom left Classic spawns in the top right
2:00 Nexus first versus barracks/gas. Dream actually getting a marine despite having enough gas for a reaper. That will cost him. Gateway/double gas for Classic.
3:00 Dream building a factory. Classic scouting the bottom right first. Dream checking the top left with his first marine and scouting for proxies with his second.
4:00 The probe runs into the second marine but gets away. Classic expanding. A reactor was made on the barracks and is moved to the factory. MSC/Stalker for Classic. Dream building two hellions.
5:00 Robotics facility for Classic. Dream gets two hellions into the natural, then one in the main but only kills 3 probes. Medivac and two mines for Dream. Dream getting an engineering bay.
7:00 Dream 51 vs Classic 58 Dream attempts a mine/hellion drop but is deflected. Immortal and robotics bay for Classic. Classic is ahead 42-33 in workers. Stim starts for Dream. Mines are dropped and probes clump up for hellions but somehow only two probes die. Mines burrow strategically outside Classic's main. One of them is visible due to an observer.
9:00 Dream 60 vs Classic 75 Colossus production begins. Twilight council is also being made. Combat shields and +1 attack starts for Dream. Workers are now 47-43 in favor of Classic. Dream loading up a slightly larger drop, with a second not-full medivac. Classic starts his third base.
10:00 Dream 86 vs Classic 85 Dream stims into this new third but backs off upon seeing a colossus. +1 and combat shields finishing for Dream. Third base starts for Dream. Classic getting +1 attack and blink. Workers are now 51-51. Dream applying pressure, although he isn't really doing much tangible.
Dream spawns in the bottom left Classic spawns in the top right
2:00 Nexus first versus barracks/gas. Dream actually getting a marine despite having enough gas for a reaper. That will cost him. Gateway/double gas for Classic.
3:00 Dream building a factory. Classic scouting the bottom right first. Dream checking the top left with his first marine and scouting for proxies with his second.
4:00 The probe runs into the second marine but gets away. Classic expanding. A reactor was made on the barracks and is moved to the factory. MSC/Stalker for Classic. Dream building two hellions.
5:00 Robotics facility for Classic. Dream gets two hellions into the natural, then one in the main but only kills 3 probes. Medivac and two mines for Dream. Dream getting an engineering bay.
7:00 Dream 51 vs Classic 58 Dream attempts a mine/hellion drop but is deflected. Immortal and robotics bay for Classic. Classic is ahead 42-33 in workers. Stim starts for Dream. Mines are dropped and probes clump up for hellions but somehow only two probes die. Mines burrow strategically outside Classic's main. One of them is visible due to an observer.
9:00 Dream 60 vs Classic 75 Colossus production begins. Twilight council is also being made. Combat shields and +1 attack starts for Dream. Workers are now 47-43 in favor of Classic. Dream loading up a slightly larger drop, with a second not-full medivac. Classic starts his third base.
10:00 Dream 86 vs Classic 85 Dream stims into this new third but backs off upon seeing a colossus. +1 and combat shields finishing for Dream. Third base starts for Dream. Classic getting +1 attack and blink. Workers are now 51-51. Dream applying pressure, although he isn't really doing much tangible.
12:00 Dream 112 vs Classic 106 Dream tries something, and although Classic is prepared at his natural 5 probes are killed. Dream picks up and drops in Classic's main, but only supply blocks him. Units are being bled off on both sides. Classic loses a warp-in and some sentries at his third. Dream chooses to engage two colossi without any vikings at Classic's third, but this works badly.
13:00 Dream 110 vs Classic 105 Dream is beginning to saturate his third, and he has grabbed a 10-worker lead. Armory and engineering bay starting for Dream. +2 armor for Classic. Doom drop is loaded up and sent towards the right side. Three more gateways and charge for Classic.
14:00 Dream 145 vs Classic 131 Medivacs stop before reaching the main base. Dream happens to be adding three barracks as well. Zealots are warped in. +2 attack for Classic, +2/2 for Dream. Dream prepares to pressure the natural, but also drops an undefended main. The forges are both destroyed and Dream goes after the third, trading badly. Dream kills 7 probes in the main but is cleaned up. Classic dropping the main with 6 zealots. Charge hasn't finished. Dream going for a fourth, although this was delayed by a zealot.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
3%
29 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 2
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Dream spawns in the bottom left Classic spawns in the top right
2:00 Nexus first versus barracks/gas. Dream actually getting a marine despite having enough gas for a reaper. That will cost him. Gateway/double gas for Classic.
3:00 Dream building a factory. Classic scouting the bottom right first. Dream checking the top left with his first marine and scouting for proxies with his second.
4:00 The probe runs into the second marine but gets away. Classic expanding. A reactor was made on the barracks and is moved to the factory. MSC/Stalker for Classic. Dream building two hellions.
5:00 Robotics facility for Classic. Dream gets two hellions into the natural, then one in the main but only kills 3 probes. Medivac and two mines for Dream. Dream getting an engineering bay.
7:00 Dream 51 vs Classic 58 Dream attempts a mine/hellion drop but is deflected. Immortal and robotics bay for Classic. Classic is ahead 42-33 in workers. Stim starts for Dream. Mines are dropped and probes clump up for hellions but somehow only two probes die. Mines burrow strategically outside Classic's main. One of them is visible due to an observer.
9:00 Dream 60 vs Classic 75 Colossus production begins. Twilight council is also being made. Combat shields and +1 attack starts for Dream. Workers are now 47-43 in favor of Classic. Dream loading up a slightly larger drop, with a second not-full medivac. Classic starts his third base.
10:00 Dream 86 vs Classic 85 Dream stims into this new third but backs off upon seeing a colossus. +1 and combat shields finishing for Dream. Third base starts for Dream. Classic getting +1 attack and blink. Workers are now 51-51. Dream applying pressure, although he isn't really doing much tangible.
12:00 Dream 112 vs Classic 106 Dream tries something, and although Classic is prepared at his natural 5 probes are killed. Dream picks up and drops in Classic's main, but only supply blocks him. Units are being bled off on both sides. Classic loses a warp-in and some sentries at his third. Dream chooses to engage two colossi without any vikings at Classic's third, but this works badly.
13:00 Dream 110 vs Classic 105 Dream is beginning to saturate his third, and he has grabbed a 10-worker lead. Armory and engineering bay starting for Dream. +2 armor for Classic. Doom drop is loaded up and sent towards the right side. Three more gateways and charge for Classic.
14:00 Dream 145 vs Classic 131 Medivacs stop before reaching the main base. Dream happens to be adding three barracks as well. Zealots are warped in. +2 attack for Classic, +2/2 for Dream. Dream prepares to pressure the natural, but also drops an undefended main. The forges are both destroyed and Dream goes after the third, trading badly. Dream kills 7 probes in the main but is cleaned up. Classic dropping the main with 6 zealots. Charge hasn't finished. Dream going for a fourth, although this was delayed by a zealot.
17:00 Dream 164 vs Classic 143 Classic goes after the third, quickly killing 13 workers. Dream moves towards the low ground to defend as this is harass, but Classic recalls. Templar archives on the way. +2/2 has restarted for Classic, but is nearly finished for Dream. Fourth CC finishing.
18:00 Dream 171 vs Classic 166 Dream doom drops the natural while pressuring the third. Classic seems to be collapsing on both fronts, losing lots of colossi. Classic manages to hold off the army at his natural and moves to defend his third.
19:00 Dream 127 vs Classic 95 Dream is regrouping to go after the third. Classic has almost no units, including an archon which is triple-EMP'd. Dream wants to manner CC, but Classic GG's first.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
3%
29 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 2
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
Valdes said Dream is nervous at the start of game 2
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
Valdes said Dream is nervous at the start of game 2
And will rotate between the two of them unless Dream takes the next three games in a row. It's ridiculous, frankly.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
More likely they haven't been in positions where nerve control plays a potentially deciding role. Classic is playing in the finals, of course he's nervous, that doesn't mean it'll reduce him to a stumbling wreck. Which is why it's surprising to me that Moonglade indulges in that crap - he was a pro player himself.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
Pretty sure Dream had more supply blocks in one game of his series against HyuN than INnoVation had in his entire prime.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
More likely they haven't been in positions where nerve control plays a potentially deciding role. Classic is playing in the finals, of course he's nervous, that doesn't mean it'll reduce him to a stumbling wreck. Which is why it's surprising to me that Moonglade indulges in that crap - he was a pro player himself.
Maybe moonglade was actually a player who kept tilting a lot and thinks everyone else is the same? :o
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
More likely they haven't been in positions where nerve control plays a potentially deciding role. Classic is playing in the finals, of course he's nervous, that doesn't mean it'll reduce him to a stumbling wreck. Which is why it's surprising to me that Moonglade indulges in that crap - he was a pro player himself.
you know what, if I were in that position (the player), I'd take one stiff drink to calm my nerves before the start. Like some surgeons are known to take a drink before surgery to steady the hands.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
You really love playing with me at 6:30am.
Good thing I just finished a really sappy romance on netflix!
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
I don't think INno is stupid, he just seems to be nervous about playing more varied builds in matches. Also he seems to make a lot of mistakes under pressure. ex; wcs global finals, gsl ro8 v life.
Even though people describe him as robotic and unemotional on the outside, I think his play is often guided by a lot of emotion he doesn't show.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
SKT took him and transformed him into a skynet cyborg. Boooom sense made. The tragic fall of a human esf kid into the destroyer of worlds.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
I don't think INno is stupid, he just seems to be nervous about playing more varied builds in matches. Also he seems to make a lot of mistakes under pressure. ex; wcs global finals, gsl ro8 v life.
Even though people describe him as robotic and unemotional on the outside, I think his play is often guided by a lot of emotion he doesn't show.
His emotion is basically he either has none or tilts. I like to see it as a software failure.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
SKT too him and transformed him into a skynet cyborg. Boooom sense made. The tragic fall of a human esf kid into the destroyer of worlds.
This boy beat 2 of the Top 3 PvT players at the end of WoL.
Generally speaking it tkaes 3-4 years for a player to reach their prime, it just coincided with his joining of SKT.
DRG said Dream > Inno during Inno's Prime after he had beaten Inno.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
I don't think INno is stupid, he just seems to be nervous about playing more varied builds in matches. Also he seems to make a lot of mistakes under pressure. ex; wcs global finals, gsl ro8 v life.
Even though people describe him as robotic and unemotional on the outside, I think his play is often guided by a lot of emotion he doesn't show.
His emotion is basically he either has none or tilts. I like to see it as a software failure.
I think one of innovation's biggest weaknesses is that he seems to lack confidence in doing more varied builds in bigger games. And with that he has partially earned the reputation of being a robot, which is partially true in that regard.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
SKT too him and transformed him into a skynet cyborg. Boooom sense made. The tragic fall of a human esf kid into the destroyer of worlds.
This boy beat 2 of the Top 3 PvT players at the end of WoL.
Yes he did but he never quite broke through with his potential. Always was waiting on him to surge up in the ranks with his talents and those series showed his skill but he never quite made it. After that Iem I thought it was his time And way to shit on my fanfic dreams.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
SKT too him and transformed him into a skynet cyborg. Boooom sense made. The tragic fall of a human esf kid into the destroyer of worlds.
This boy beat 2 of the Top 3 PvT players at the end of WoL.
Generally speaking it tkaes 3-4 years for a player to reach their prime, it just coincided with his joining of SKT.
DRG said Dream > Inno during Inno's Prime after he had beaten Inno.
Mvp also said YoDa is the best terran. Take things teammates say with a grain of salt. Though I can def see Dream being #1 TvZ in practice.
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
SKT too him and transformed him into a skynet cyborg. Boooom sense made. The tragic fall of a human esf kid into the destroyer of worlds.
This boy beat 2 of the Top 3 PvT players at the end of WoL.
Yes he did but he never quite broke through with his potential. Always was waiting on him to surge up in the ranks with his talents and those series showed his skill but he never quite made it. After that Iem I thought it was his time And way to shit on my fanfic dreams.
sorry boy you're arguing with the oracle of sc2. give up xD
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
That's what I said in the first post. He is just way more clutch etc. Who knew maybe INno was the skynet beta and now skynet has arrived.
That makes no sense since Dream existed years before Inno played SC2.
SKT too him and transformed him into a skynet cyborg. Boooom sense made. The tragic fall of a human esf kid into the destroyer of worlds.
This boy beat 2 of the Top 3 PvT players at the end of WoL.
Yes he did but he never quite broke through with his potential. Always was waiting on him to surge up in the ranks with his talents and those series showed his skill but he never quite made it. After that Iem I thought it was his time And way to shit on my fanfic dreams.
sorry boy you're arguing with the oracle of sc2. give up xD
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
5%
39 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 3
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 20 2015 19:34 Mozdk wrote: So what's up with 7.5k viewers?
Western scene is weak. Studio seems packed and I would like to know the kr viewer counts.
I personally blame NA for sleeping
i didnt even know the finals were today, weak marketing
Serious question: what do you think we (and tournament organizers, obviously) should do differently to advertise or bring attention to upcoming events?
Dream spawns in the bottom right Classic spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Gate/gas vs barracks/gas. Dream gets a marine despite having about the right amount of money for a reaper. Factory is made. Classic proxying a pylon in the top right area.
3:00 Classic getting a stargate. A reactor is being produced on Dream's first barracks.
4:00 A marine is sent to scout, seeing pretty much everything before dying to the stalker. Oracle being made and chronoboosted. Classic's first stalker is being sent across the map. Dream burrows a mine behind the command center. Very sneaky.
5:00 Classic seems to see the mine, avoiding it completely, but he doesn't do much besides kill a number of marines. The oracle suicides itself onto SCVs! A second oracle shows up and completely rampages the mineral line before suiciding itself onto another mine and killing four more workers by doing so. A stalker shows up which Dream can't actually kill. Antother two stalkers and a zealot show up, and an oracle is still in the main. Dream GG's! Classic takes a 2-1 lead!
On June 20 2015 19:34 Mozdk wrote: So what's up with 7.5k viewers?
Western scene is weak. Studio seems packed and I would like to know the kr viewer counts.
I personally blame NA for sleeping
i didnt even know the finals were today, weak marketing
Serious question: what do you think we (and tournament organizers, obviously) should do differently to advertise or bring attention to upcoming events?
On June 20 2015 19:34 Mozdk wrote: So what's up with 7.5k viewers?
Western scene is weak. Studio seems packed and I would like to know the kr viewer counts.
I personally blame NA for sleeping
i didnt even know the finals were today, weak marketing
Serious question: what do you think we (and tournament organizers, obviously) should do differently to advertise or bring attention to upcoming events?
Banners on the frontpage
I dont think this was even in upcoming events. For quite awhile at least.
On June 20 2015 19:34 Mozdk wrote: So what's up with 7.5k viewers?
Western scene is weak. Studio seems packed and I would like to know the kr viewer counts.
I personally blame NA for sleeping
i didnt even know the finals were today, weak marketing
Serious question: what do you think we (and tournament organizers, obviously) should do differently to advertise or bring attention to upcoming events?
big reddit post, hype videos of both players, TL news post, countdown to stream more visible. i want every viewer of this site to know when the game starts
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
5%
39 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 3
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 20 2015 19:47 Kamais Ookin wrote: What a shitty game. Even when scouting the rush still can't stop it, so strong.
He had plenty actually, the friendly fire was too strong. It's like defending mutas with storm, usually you will kill some of your probes once muta player does the kamikaze approach of Classic :-) (you could defend with storm in WoL)
I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
On June 20 2015 19:34 Mozdk wrote: So what's up with 7.5k viewers?
Western scene is weak. Studio seems packed and I would like to know the kr viewer counts.
I personally blame NA for sleeping
i didnt even know the finals were today, weak marketing
Serious question: what do you think we (and tournament organizers, obviously) should do differently to advertise or bring attention to upcoming events?
Considering how important GSL and SSL are, having a countdown on the banner seems nice to me Something clear and visible, and on the left of the banner, not on the right like there was for some RedBull events.
On June 20 2015 19:48 Soularion wrote: I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
On June 20 2015 19:48 Soularion wrote: I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
And to my question..?
Frontpage it in the banner with a countdown. Is all you can do.
On June 20 2015 19:48 Soularion wrote: I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
And to my question..?
he wants you to move the viewerbase to a better timezone
On June 20 2015 19:48 Soularion wrote: I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
And to my question..?
I don't really know what we can do about it. I'll think about it.
On June 20 2015 19:48 Soularion wrote: I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
And to my question..?
he wants you to move the viewerbase to a better timezone
The Great TL Exile to Korea we could rent a huuuuuuuuuuuge teamhouse in Korea just to put all the TL people
On June 20 2015 19:48 Soularion wrote: I think its more a combination of weak western scene and awful time for NA. It's currently 3:30 on the pacific coast - no casual viewers are gonna be up for 3:30. Even EST, 6:30 is way too early for most casual viewers to come in. Even the LCK - which has a much bigger western fanbase - is only around 40k now.
And to my question..?
he wants you to move the viewerbase to a better timezone
I'm not saying it's fixable, I'm saying that it's just sorta a result of korean tournaments in general.
On June 20 2015 19:34 Mozdk wrote: So what's up with 7.5k viewers?
Western scene is weak. Studio seems packed and I would like to know the kr viewer counts.
I personally blame NA for sleeping
i didnt even know the finals were today, weak marketing
Serious question: what do you think we (and tournament organizers, obviously) should do differently to advertise or bring attention to upcoming events?
Very good question! I'd like a weekly "upcoming events" thread (I know, it's the exact same info on the calendar and each RL thread - but I feel like it would be easier to have one place). I also get a lot of my info from twitter, but that usually just alerts me of "tune in now" stuff (or it gets lost).
I meanwe'll be over 10k viewers soon, but still kinda disappointed, EU should represent more! Well as long as it's a success in Korea (it seems to be), it's all good.
Dream spawns in the bottom right Classic spawns in the top left
2:00 Fast gateway + 2 gas for Classic. Dream going barracks/gas. Classic is already moving a probe to near Dream's main, proxying a pylon. Reaper for Dream. A cybernetics core is at home for Classic.
3:00 Proxy stargate nearly in Dream's face. Expansion + reactor for Dream. The reaper arrives to find a stalker.
4:00 Classic is putting a second pylon by his stargate and making an oracle. Engineering bay and factory for Dream. Dream getting a bunker at his front...
5:00 There's a turret on the way but Classic gets seven workers before Dream gets to finish it. FLEET BEACON FUCK YES Dream got a turret so he is pretty safe, but only has 15 workers + 5 marines and a mine. Classic is poking at a depot on Dream's front. PROXY TEMPEST
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
3%
★★★- Good game (1)
2%
66 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 4
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Dream spawns in the bottom right Classic spawns in the top left
2:00 Fast gateway + 2 gas for Classic. Dream going barracks/gas. Classic is already moving a probe to near Dream's main, proxying a pylon. Reaper for Dream. A cybernetics core is at home for Classic.
3:00 Proxy stargate nearly in Dream's face. Expansion + reactor for Dream. The reaper arrives to find a stalker.
4:00 Classic is putting a second pylon by his stargate and making an oracle. Engineering bay and factory for Dream. Dream getting a bunker at his front...
5:00 There's a turret on the way but Classic gets seven workers before Dream gets to finish it. FLEET BEACON FUCK YES Dream got a turret so he is pretty safe, but only has 15 workers + 5 marines and a mine. Classic is poking at a depot on Dream's front. PROXY TEMPEST
7:00 Dream 34 vs Classic 34 Dream is still on one base with single marine production. He's getting a stargate. Tempest starts shooting at workers, killing a half-finished MULE. Dream does nothing. Medivac on the way, but no stim. There are mines, but there is a detecting oracle. Dream pulling SCVs to his natural.
9:00 Dream 41vs Classic 42 Classic has three tempests now. A medivac filled with marines moves across the map. Classic easily breaks the natural. Dream has a drop in Classic's main but no stim or anything else remotely useful. Dream lifts his buildings. Dream GG's! Classic takes a 3-1 lead!
On June 20 2015 19:55 GumBa wrote: I would be so mad if I was dream XD
Someone did this to early HotS (that other old snow map with the golds in the middle - LOT's of empty airspace behind the minerals). Been waiting to see it in pro play since. WP CLASSIC!
On June 20 2015 19:56 grogburg wrote: I hope Rotti is watching, or, if he was casting the Dutch finals, that he started inexplicably laughing uncontrollably.
On June 20 2015 19:56 grogburg wrote: I hope Rotti is watching, or, if he was casting the Dutch finals, that he started inexplicably laughing uncontrollably.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
3%
★★★- Good game (1)
2%
66 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 4
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 20 2015 19:58 Heartland wrote: Please link rotti's twitter
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hahahaha i'm smiling ear to ear, it's so beautiful. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SSL?src=hash">#SSL</a> Finally my beautiful creation will get the props it deserves. )))))))))))</p>— Kevin van der Kooi (@RotterdaM08) <a href="https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/612212378944569344">June 20, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
On June 20 2015 19:57 The_Templar wrote: So many Classic fans in this thread.
Going proxy tempest in a final has made me a fan
The great thing about that build is that you can't do much at all if you don't immediately deny the oracles from doing the damage. Basically you lose the game unless you figure out he is making tempest. You can't win a base trade or a straight up fight lol.
The thing is, if you recognize immediately that he did the fastest possible proxy, you win the game as a terran player because you can immediately drop an ebay/cancel your natural expansion.
Then you just walk across the map and win b/c the protoss cut stalker/msc
On June 20 2015 20:00 Heartland wrote: Lol, why is the search suggestion when I start to write "Rotterdam starcraft" to suggest "Rotterdam starcraft gay"?
Your own search history comes into count when the algorithm makes suggestions.
On June 20 2015 20:00 Heartland wrote: Lol, why is the search suggestion when I start to write "Rotterdam starcraft" to suggest "Rotterdam starcraft gay"?
Your own search history comes into count when the algorithm makes suggestions.
I'm always so conflicted with builds like this. On one hand I think you should do whatever it takes to win, but on the other hand I get so bored when a finals is just aggressive builds over and over. I don't find it enjoyable to watch at all.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
On June 20 2015 20:07 Roadog wrote: There's no way Classic is just going to kill Dream with a 3rd straight proxy Stargate attack right? The salt levels here would be unreal.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Roadog wrote: There's no way Classic is just going to kill Dream with a 3rd straight proxy Stargate attack right? The salt levels here would be unreal.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Roadog wrote: There's no way Classic is just going to kill Dream with a 3rd straight proxy Stargate attack right? The salt levels here would be unreal.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Roadog wrote: There's no way Classic is just going to kill Dream with a 3rd straight proxy Stargate attack right? The salt levels here would be unreal.
We haven't seen Oracle->Void Rays yet..
Carriers are waiting for their moment in the finals too!
On June 20 2015 20:07 Roadog wrote: There's no way Classic is just going to kill Dream with a 3rd straight proxy Stargate attack right? The salt levels here would be unreal.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Roadog wrote: There's no way Classic is just going to kill Dream with a 3rd straight proxy Stargate attack right? The salt levels here would be unreal.
there are a lot of chapters in the Great Book of Protoss Bullshit
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
Guys I dont usually watch these. Can someone explain why there are like 30minutes between games? Even in real sports where the players get physically exhausted the brakes are shorter.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
On June 20 2015 20:10 NasusAndDraven wrote: Guys I dont usually watch these. Can someone explain why there are like 30minutes between games? Even in real sports where the players get physically exhausted the brakes are shorter.
It's on television on Korea, and they likely have a certain amount of airtime they want to fill
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
Assuming Classic wins this, I wonder if he will still be written off b/c both his championships are teamkills.
I hope note -- I really like his special tactics. I remember thinking that after he did colossus drops in his 3-2 over Cure in the SSL qualifiers earlier this year.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
what does:"5mP" mean
5 minute Protoss = Watch out for proxy oracles.
nice
now we know who 2 lynch. ur a protoss as well, rite!
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
On June 20 2015 20:10 NasusAndDraven wrote: Guys I dont usually watch these. Can someone explain why there are like 30minutes between games? Even in real sports where the players get physically exhausted the brakes are shorter.
It's on television on Korea, and they likely have a certain amount of airtime they want to fill
So if the matches were longer would the breaks be more like 3min?
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
I thought we all established this fact not 30 minutes ago?
On June 20 2015 20:10 NasusAndDraven wrote: Guys I dont usually watch these. Can someone explain why there are like 30minutes between games? Even in real sports where the players get physically exhausted the brakes are shorter.
It's on television on Korea, and they likely have a certain amount of airtime they want to fill
So if the matches were longer would the breaks be more like 3min?
On June 20 2015 20:11 grogburg wrote: Assuming Classic wins this, I wonder if he will still be written off b/c both his championships are teamkills.
I hope note -- I really like his special tactics. I remember thinking that after he did colossus drops in his 3-2 over Cure in the SSL qualifiers earlier this year.
Normally I'd say yes, he will be ignored, but there seem to be a lot of Classic fans here.
On June 20 2015 20:10 NasusAndDraven wrote: Guys I dont usually watch these. Can someone explain why there are like 30minutes between games? Even in real sports where the players get physically exhausted the brakes are shorter.
It's on television on Korea, and they likely have a certain amount of airtime they want to fill
So if the matches were longer would the breaks be more like 3min?
Most likely yes, with one longer break somewhere during the broadcast.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
I thought we all established this fact not 30 minutes ago?
I didnt know we established that you became a bully. :p
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
I thought we all established this fact not 30 minutes ago?
I didnt know we established that you became a bully. :p
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
So much fucking smarter.
This in combination with your "Innovation is Skynet beta" kind of implies certain things about Innovation's intelligence
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
I thought we all established this fact not 30 minutes ago?
I didnt know we established that you became a bully. :p
On June 20 2015 19:32 GumBa wrote: Dreams macro etc just reminds me of Prime INno. Excellent mechanics and standard play. Sometimes a bit too greedy and inflexible (see life series) but just way more clutch than the Machine 1.0. Dreamjwa!
I feel this way too
It's crazy. Cure gave me those INno vibes for awhile but couldnt quite keep it up. But damn Dream is so sick. There MU strenghts are even the same xD
But Dream is smarter!
So much fucking smarter.
This in combination with your "Innovation is Skynet beta" kind of implies certain things about Innovation's intelligence
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
You insult me and my player. Zealously you used to be nice.
On June 20 2015 20:13 dazed25 wrote: as much as i am enjoying this display of protoss brilliance.. i don't how i will feel about Classic being the first person to win both a GSL and SSL.
On June 20 2015 20:07 Alucen-Will- wrote: Why would you select innovation as an interview if you have a choice?
Hello Mr Lee Shin Hyung! You always seem to tilt as well and are also Terran what kind of advice would you give Dream. Inno: 11010101101101000101010101
I know Innovation is kind of stupid but I think he knows how to speak proper binary D:
Dream spawns in the bottom Classic spawns in the top
2:00 Reaper vs single gas after gateway. Both players expand.
3:00 The reaper scouts. Pizza is delivered. Factory for Dream.
4:00 A zealot gets into the main of INnoVation before the first two marines finish and kills two SCVs. Stargate for Classic.
5:00 Starport for Dream. Dream getting a mine and more marines.
6:00 Phoenix for Classic. Dream getting another mine and a medivac. Both players adding on geyser structures. The reaper is suicided into the natural.
7:00 Dream 53 vs Classic 58 Stim and +1 for Dream. More phoenixes for Classic.
8:00 Dream 71 vs Classic 68 Two more barracks for Dream. Robotics bay for Classic. Combat shields for Dream. Classic getting +1 armor.
10:00 Dream 86 vs Classic 76 Phoenixes show up in the main, killing six workers. Third base is 1/3 done for Classic. Three medivacs full of units leave the main but return when the phoenixes go back in. Colossi are being produced. Phoenixes interrupt the drop when it moves out again.
If you missed it, in that exchange Classic countered with phoenixes the second Dream left and Dream realized his timing was too good realizing there was an obs in his base.
On June 20 2015 20:24 stuchiu wrote: If you missed it, in that exchange Classic countered with phoenixes the second Dream left and Dream realized his timing was too good realizing there was an obs in his base.
On June 20 2015 20:21 Alucen-Will- wrote: I wonder if Classic will commit to phoenix colossus as well or just the phoenix opener
Just a few hoping Dream goes full Bbyong and builds a thor.
lol. Its so odd these days that phoenix colossus can even be almost a standard build with many terran's playing the viking-less style macro game
I remember back on Steppes of War, Day9 did a daily on one of the games Gretorp played on his stream vs Axslav going Phoenix/Colossus. Gretorp basically talking about how you can commit heavily to Vikings to beat all, or completely ignore Viking production and be heavy on Marauders, with a ton of Barracks.
Dream spawns in the bottom Classic spawns in the top
2:00 Reaper vs single gas after gateway. Both players expand.
3:00 The reaper scouts. Pizza is delivered. Factory for Dream.
4:00 A zealot gets into the main of INnoVation before the first two marines finish and kills two SCVs. Stargate for Classic.
5:00 Starport for Dream. Dream getting a mine and more marines.
6:00 Phoenix for Classic. Dream getting another mine and a medivac. Both players adding on geyser structures. The reaper is suicided into the natural.
7:00 Dream 53 vs Classic 58 Stim and +1 for Dream. More phoenixes for Classic.
8:00 Dream 71 vs Classic 68 Two more barracks for Dream. Robotics bay for Classic. Combat shields for Dream. Classic getting +1 armor.
10:00 Dream 86 vs Classic 76 Phoenixes show up in the main, killing six workers. Third base is 1/3 done for Classic. Three medivacs full of units leave the main but return when the phoenixes go back in. Colossi are being produced. Phoenixes interrupt the drop when it moves out again.
11:00 Dream 106 vs Classic 103 Classic easily deflects Dream's pressure at the cost of a phoenix and a few zealots. Dream is building his own fourth base. +1 attack starts for Classic, +1 armor for Dream.
12:00 Dream 110 vs Classic 107 Dream tries another attack, which is worse but kills a few more phoenixes. Classic is not rebuilding his phoenixes.
13:00 Dream 114 vs Classic 123 Dream regrouping under Classic's main, but Classic notices. Blink for Classic. Armory and a few more barracks for Classic.
15:00 Dream 145 vs Classic 150 +2/2 starts for Dream as well as concussive shells. Classic getting +3 armor. Dream loads up a doom drop which is noticed. Four empty medivacs fly toward towards the natural and back up, with the real medivacs hiding. Dream successfully doom drops the natural. Classic deflects the pressure at his third while this is going on but loses his natural nexus. Dream loses a ton of units.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 5
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 6
★- Do not see this game no matter what (6)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★- Good game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 6
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Dream vs Classic Game 7
★★★- Good game (5)
42%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Dream vs Classic Game 7
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Dream spawns in the bottom Classic spawns in the top
2:00 Reaper vs single gas after gateway. Both players expand.
3:00 The reaper scouts. Pizza is delivered. Factory for Dream.
4:00 A zealot gets into the main of INnoVation before the first two marines finish and kills two SCVs. Stargate for Classic.
5:00 Starport for Dream. Dream getting a mine and more marines.
6:00 Phoenix for Classic. Dream getting another mine and a medivac. Both players adding on geyser structures. The reaper is suicided into the natural.
7:00 Dream 53 vs Classic 58 Stim and +1 for Dream. More phoenixes for Classic.
8:00 Dream 71 vs Classic 68 Two more barracks for Dream. Robotics bay for Classic. Combat shields for Dream. Classic getting +1 armor.
10:00 Dream 86 vs Classic 76 Phoenixes show up in the main, killing six workers. Third base is 1/3 done for Classic. Three medivacs full of units leave the main but return when the phoenixes go back in. Colossi are being produced. Phoenixes interrupt the drop when it moves out again.
11:00 Dream 106 vs Classic 103 Classic easily deflects Dream's pressure at the cost of a phoenix and a few zealots. Dream is building his own fourth base. +1 attack starts for Classic, +1 armor for Dream.
12:00 Dream 110 vs Classic 107 Dream tries another attack, which is worse but kills a few more phoenixes. Classic is not rebuilding his phoenixes.
13:00 Dream 114 vs Classic 123 Dream regrouping under Classic's main, but Classic notices. Blink for Classic. Armory and a few more barracks for Classic.
15:00 Dream 145 vs Classic 150 +2/2 starts for Dream as well as concussive shells. Classic getting +3 armor. Dream loads up a doom drop which is noticed. Four empty medivacs fly toward towards the natural and back up, with the real medivacs hiding. Dream successfully doom drops the natural. Classic deflects the pressure at his third while this is going on but loses his natural nexus. Dream loses a ton of units.
17:00 Dream 146 vs Classic 154 Classic moves across the map. Zealots did some damage at Dream's natural. Five colossi are out and Dream has 0 vikings.
19:00 Classic finally goes for the attack. Dream has a nice concave. Dream pulls a few SCVs and reduces Classic's army to three colossi and a few supporting units. Classic frantically warping in reinforcements, which seem to be enough to crush the small number of marauders. Dream kills all but one colossus but has to GG. Classic wins 4-1!
This is like that IEM back then all over... trash top PvT player (PartinG --> herO), get trashed by someone people do their best to forget (First --> Classic).
On June 20 2015 04:13 GumBa wrote: I'm not even sure why I'm making polls for this final. It's a complete joke. Classic will absolutely crush Dream. I am willing to take a sig bet with anyone about this. The only terran in the world that even stands a chance against the glorious Classic is Inno. Dream will always be a B teamer on SKT behind the world's greatest sexiest most interesting and handsome skillful majestic terran.
On June 20 2015 20:37 Roadog wrote: I can already feel the darkness begin to descend over Dream.
2/4 soO's
he's going to have them all be 1-4 losses too
At least soO's finals were all good for the most part
Only good soO's final was vs Zest and even then, I was flipping tables during that game on Yeonsu. Dear/Classic finals are almost same, final against Bogus was awful and vs Solar it was worse than awful, because it was supposed to be 17-0 Dreamhack which turned up bad.
Impressive preparation from Classic, allowing him to now rank among the greatest champions of our time with 1 GSL and 1 S2SL. The preparation was unbelievably good, even if he lost on Deadwing it felt like he knew what Dream would do in advance 95% of the time, he showed good preparation on Vaani too (the zealot !) and obviously his proxy stargate build was damn strong against the greedy style of Dream.
That being said, I don't disagree with those saying the better player skillwise lost. Dream should have either scouted more thoroughly or entered the mindgames with more power than he did. I think his pride (I don't need to scout you, I just need to reach the midgame and I'll crush you, which I'm pretty sure is what happens between those two in practice) ended up being his demise.
I hope Dream can recover from this and does not end up being another soO. Those guys deserve victories.
On June 20 2015 20:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Impressive preparation from Classic, allowing him to now rank among the greatest champions of our time with 1 GSL and 1 S2SL. The preparation was unbelievably good, even if he lost on Deadwing it felt like he knew what Dream would do in advance 95% of the time, he showed good preparation on Vaani too (the zealot !) and obviously his proxy stargate build was damn strong against the greedy style of Dream.
That being said, I don't disagree with those saying the better player skillwise lost. Dream should have either scouted more thoroughly or entered the mindgames with more power than he did. I think his pride (I don't need to scout you, I just need to reach the midgame and I'll crush you, which I'm pretty sure is what happens between those two in practice) ended up being his demise.
I hope Dream can recover from this and does not end up being another soO. Those guys deserve victories.
On June 20 2015 20:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Impressive preparation from Classic, allowing him to now rank among the greatest champions of our time with 1 GSL and 1 S2SL. The preparation was unbelievably good, even if he lost on Deadwing it felt like he knew what Dream would do in advance 95% of the time, he showed good preparation on Vaani too (the zealot !) and obviously his proxy stargate build was damn strong against the greedy style of Dream.
That being said, I don't disagree with those saying the better player skillwise lost. Dream should have either scouted more thoroughly or entered the mindgames with more power than he did. I think his pride (I don't need to scout you, I just need to reach the midgame and I'll crush you, which I'm pretty sure is what happens between those two in practice) ended up being his demise.
I hope Dream can recover from this and does not end up being another soO. Those guys deserve victories.
He probably should stop the manner crap too
tbh since it's a teamkill you can never know, maybe he's used to mannering Classic in practice games or he knows he's weak mentally to manner CCs
On June 20 2015 20:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Impressive preparation from Classic, allowing him to now rank among the greatest champions of our time with 1 GSL and 1 S2SL. The preparation was unbelievably good, even if he lost on Deadwing it felt like he knew what Dream would do in advance 95% of the time, he showed good preparation on Vaani too (the zealot !) and obviously his proxy stargate build was damn strong against the greedy style of Dream.
That being said, I don't disagree with those saying the better player skillwise lost. Dream should have either scouted more thoroughly or entered the mindgames with more power than he did. I think his pride (I don't need to scout you, I just need to reach the midgame and I'll crush you, which I'm pretty sure is what happens between those two in practice) ended up being his demise.
I hope Dream can recover from this and does not end up being another soO. Those guys deserve victories.
He probably should stop the manner crap too
tbh since it's a teamkill you can never know, maybe he's used to mannering Classic in practice games or he knows he's weak mentally to manner CCs
I wasn't too serious with it though I think the manner thing often even shows weakness actually, not domination. And when done too early, like in this case, it can back fire.
I would know too; I'm up there with Wolf when it comes to reading eyes
On June 20 2015 20:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: Impressive preparation from Classic, allowing him to now rank among the greatest champions of our time with 1 GSL and 1 S2SL. The preparation was unbelievably good, even if he lost on Deadwing it felt like he knew what Dream would do in advance 95% of the time, he showed good preparation on Vaani too (the zealot !) and obviously his proxy stargate build was damn strong against the greedy style of Dream.
That being said, I don't disagree with those saying the better player skillwise lost. Dream should have either scouted more thoroughly or entered the mindgames with more power than he did. I think his pride (I don't need to scout you, I just need to reach the midgame and I'll crush you, which I'm pretty sure is what happens between those two in practice) ended up being his demise.
I hope Dream can recover from this and does not end up being another soO. Those guys deserve victories.
He probably should stop the manner crap too
tbh since it's a teamkill you can never know, maybe he's used to mannering Classic in practice games or he knows he's weak mentally to manner CCs
I wasn't too serious with it though I think the manner thing often even shows weakness actually, not domination. And when done too early, like in this case, it can back fire.
I would know too; I'm up there with Wolf when it comes to reading eyes
Classic must be really popular at the SKT house right now. Also, I'm wondering how Dream is adjusting to the life of a kong, at least he has soO there to help him out.
On June 20 2015 21:17 20-Minute-Jackal wrote: Classic must be really popular at the SKT house right now. Also, I'm wondering how Dream is adjusting to the life of a kong now, at least he has soO there to help him out.
If he beats Dark, pretty much everyone will have a reason to hate him.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
On June 20 2015 19:27 Zealously wrote: My only real casting pet peeve is the preemptive talk of nervousness, tilting and slumping. I understand casters might feel a need to say something to dramatize, but taking this game and extrapolating all that from Classic's eyes is stupid.
This was a really fun finals. I did not feel very invested into neither player, so I just watched for fun and hell some games really delivered! Dream seems to have a general weakness in the early game and he needs to learn the shit out of this finals if he wants to be a real champion - because starcraft is not played as a competition in spending koefficient of your glorious macro, but in winning games. Also to him applies what I have said lately for several other people: if you are not X, you should not try to play like X - in this case X=Maru and Dream needs to build a second starport when faced with 5 colosses.
Classic was one of the late period BW players with the most potential but he had to be confident to find it. I remember one game in particular where he seemed to gain confidence halfway through and turn it from an almost certain defeat into an impressive victory. Even when he won gold in SC2 people were shitting on him saying he probably didn't deserve it, but they don't know the real story. Preparation was a key part of this victory because it gave him room to be confident.
On June 21 2015 07:45 Gwavajuice wrote: 4-1? impressive...
was it an awkward teamkill match where players are not at their top or did they truely gave their best and Classic prevailed?
Dream's play was maybe a bit underwhelming, but it can easily be blamed on the teamkill situation, where they know each other so well. Maybe his macro/micro was a bit off compared to what he usually shows.
On June 21 2015 07:45 Gwavajuice wrote: 4-1? impressive...
was it an awkward teamkill match where players are not at their top or did they truely gave their best and Classic prevailed?
Dream's play was maybe a bit underwhelming, but it can easily be blamed on the teamkill situation, where they know each other so well. Maybe his macro/micro was a bit off compared to what he usually shows.
His decision making also. Game 1 - kills about 10 probes with harass, loses his entire harassing force, dies to the counter attack, SCVs not pre-pulled, no units for his bunkers. Game 5 - didn't pull the SCVs to buffer until his army was already dead.
On June 21 2015 07:18 Seeker wrote: I'm so happy about the SKT finals. I didn't care who won. BUT DAMN IT DREAM! WHY DIDN'T YOU AT LEAST PUT UP A GOOD FIGHT?! T-T...
Yeah Classic totes schooled Dream in this series...The only game Dream won was when Classic mis rallied his obs and thus missed the doom drop (which he had army for easy).
Something in the back of my head heard Terrans the world over screaming at their monitors. Don't cry about Toss Terrans. Toss is what it is due to your race. You are the ying (MMMM, Viking, ghost) and we are the yang (pnix, stalker colo, storm, warp prism, oracle). Zerg is of course everything else! Byul will beat Rain in GSL.
On June 21 2015 12:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Damn you Classic. One things for sure, I should probably give him some credit finally (maybe). Will have to watch the VODs later.
Anyways I'm off for my summer tomorrow so all of you enjoy the next two months of Starcraft for me!
Maybe this time I'll finally pass your post count :D
On June 21 2015 12:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Damn you Classic. One things for sure, I should probably give him some credit finally (maybe). Will have to watch the VODs later.
Anyways I'm off for my summer tomorrow so all of you enjoy the next two months of Starcraft for me!
I play Zerg, but I can't help but feel like Dream got a bit Protossed, especially on the later maps. For the record, I hate the non-Zerg races equally.
Hmm 3 out of 4 wins with cheese. But as many pointed out, great preparation.
I am still not sure if I like the protoss openers of being that strong and sometimes hard to scout. Pure frustration to play against and also to watch.
I didn't see much of "skill" in this series, not because there was none, but because the games were over very soon, but many in this thread say, that if it comes to skill, the worse player won. If that is the case, than this is no title for eSport, i guess. It is ok if a map or 2 are lost because of cheese, but the whole game being designed so versatile isn't "competitive".
While I do agree that cheese is part of the game, and there should be small chances for a lesser player to win, it should still be hard to pull off.
That being said, of course cheese is a build order win and you can argue, that Classic simply outsmarted Dream. Which would also be ok, since, for instance in soccer, the team with the best players sometimes loses to the better strategy.
However, I hate the ammount of protoss BS in the games I just witnessed. I hoped it gets reduced, but I fear there will be even more in LotV
On June 23 2015 00:06 Ctesias wrote: While I was hoping that Dream would win this, it was a really good finals. Thoroughly enjoyable.
I wonder if people will stop underestimating Classic now, after a second tournament win...
I think protoss players that win by such gimmicky play will always get underestimated. Sure, to choose the right build is an art of his own (or propably the trainer did that), but lots of players still count a macro-game-win higher and that is where he needs to pull of his wins. At least in the finals. I just rewatched the way to the finals and because he didn't win only by cheese, I am more impressed now then just by the finals
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