On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
Strange isn't it? I'm pretty sure after he did fancy thor micro on his stream in a losing effort vs solar every other terran started doing it. Then he stopped.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream was a great choice against all the realistic aces tbh
On June 02 2015 20:52 Elentos wrote: *sigh* KT could be 4-0 but nope, always losing the ace match against the top teams.
i feel it's bad coaching. sending out the wrong players against the wrong opposition.
The only thing they could have done better today was sending out TY on Echo over Zest.
Well, that's one wrong thing too many. Also; They could,ve sended out Stats, not that sending out life is necessarily a mistake
Expedition Lost is a shit map for Protoss vs Terran imo, unless you cheese, and Dream got the better of Stats at KeSPA Cup.
That's why I said it's not necessarily a mistake. Dream is really hard to stop at the moment, I still didn't decide on the vs herO S2SL semi. You?
Well I like Dream more so I hope he wins .
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
Eh, today it was mostly on the players. Zest was in a good spot, then took the worst possible engagement and lost. Flash was in an incredible position and then lost because he got overeager.
On June 02 2015 20:54 Parcelleus wrote: David Kim and his love affair with terran. reminds me when Stephen was brought in to balance DoW:Winter Assault. So he made the race he plays (IG) OP. What is it with these nubs ? Swarmhosts ? Photon overcharge ? really ? As long as we dont touch terran right ? lets add WM ! ?
ummm ya.
i'm not surprised by this, David Kim's grandfather was a top level CIA agent and he paid Lee Harvey Oswald and a mysterious sniper on a grassy knoll to take out JFK.
Now that David Kim has infiltrated the top levels of Blizzard management who knows what will happen next. As we all know ....the first thing you do when overthrowing a 1st world country is to go after the video game studios first. Watch for teh rest of America's Corporations to fall like dominos now.
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today's games were fricken awesome and David Kim should take a bow because his brilliant game design decisions and subtle balance tweaks were on full display... baiting that Mutalisk pack and nailing it with long aerial bombs from the Thor was great stuff.
On June 02 2015 20:52 Elentos wrote: *sigh* KT could be 4-0 but nope, always losing the ace match against the top teams.
i feel it's bad coaching. sending out the wrong players against the wrong opposition.
The only thing they could have done better today was sending out TY on Echo over Zest.
Well, that's one wrong thing too many. Also; They could,ve sended out Stats, not that sending out life is necessarily a mistake
Expedition Lost is a shit map for Protoss vs Terran imo, unless you cheese, and Dream got the better of Stats at KeSPA Cup.
That's why I said it's not necessarily a mistake. Dream is really hard to stop at the moment, I still didn't decide on the vs herO S2SL semi. You?
Dream is a bubble!He will brake soon! - i think Rogue said that i think at the GSL group selections.....i would like to see a Rogue vs Dream.....till that time herO will complete the list of losers in Dream's book.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
Eh, today it was mostly on the players. Zest was in a good spot, then took the worst possible engagement and lost. Flash was in an incredible position and then lost because he got overeager.
Yes, this is a trademark that flash has shown in Sc2. It's so clear that the emotional aspect takes over and he makes a mistake.
And I'm happy the points you made about zest too, because he played well too and threw it all away
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
Strange isn't it? I'm pretty sure after he did fancy thor micro on his stream in a losing effort vs solar every other terran started doing it. Then he stopped.
On stream he generally uses a way more diverse set of builds and plays anyway. Just in televised matches parade pushes from Flash don't happen anymore.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
On June 02 2015 20:58 bo1b wrote: Did he really just claim a parade push from 2013 + thors is invented by him
He said nobody does it like him, which is true. The only other player who could parade push like that is INnoVation and INno hasn't been playing well lately.
Yoda, polt and flash could do it back in the day as well, I would have thought that the slower style which featured thors would be more accessible not less tbh
Other terrans let their thords die to lings or mutas
Polt is like the only one of those who brings together a decent parade push. Flash has given up parade pushing in lieu of moving out at max basically, and YoDa is just not good these days.
Strange isn't it? I'm pretty sure after he did fancy thor micro on his stream in a losing effort vs solar every other terran started doing it. Then he stopped.
On stream he generally uses a way more diverse set of builds and plays anyway. Just in televised matches parade pushes from Flash don't happen anymore.
Actually Inno is far more guilty of this. His stream vod's have so many creative/interesting builds that he rarely/never used in professional matches to my knowledge
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
Depends on his TvZ and TvP
He used to be the best TvP player in Proleague last year, some of that's still there. And his TvZ is always decent. But an Ace player needs a certain clutch factor and I'm not sure TY has that right now. He's so rarely fielded and he almost made 1st in his GSL group with Maru and ByuL and ended up in 3rd, I doubt he's super confident.
On June 02 2015 21:01 royalroadweed wrote: I think people are giving KT too hard of a time. Its warranted when they kept sending out Zest to lose in the ace match, however the don't deserve it today imo. I think they sent out life because they expected Classic to be the ace like he was vs MVP.
No way SKT sends out Classic again as ace after he got roflstomped by Life. I'm sure SKT was expecting Life as the ace since he's their best player. Dream won twice already in S2SL against Life so Dream was a great choice.
Dream dominantes both Z and P, so it was the safest choice, except if KT had sent a terran, but puting Flash as ace would have been kinda crazy
TY would have been crazier. Might have worked too as Dream isn't good vs T, TY isn't as stubborn as FLash and he's 2-0 vs Dream.
TY might possibly have been the secret best choice.
Depends on his TvZ and TvP
He used to be the best TvP player in Proleague last year, some of that's still there. And his TvZ is always decent. But an Ace player needs a certain clutch factor and I'm not sure TY has that right now. He's so rarely fielded and he almost made 1st in his GSL group with Maru and ByuL and ended up in 3rd, I doubt he's super confident.
Since TY is never in the lineup they should make him prepare exclusively for ace matches. Imagine if he brings up a new crazy prepared build every match... in that case even if we lose I wouldn't really care !
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