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0%
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0%
16 total votes
Your vote: MMA vs. GuMiho
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7%
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0%
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15 total votes
Your vote: jjakji vs. Panic
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19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
5%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: DongRaeGu vs. HerO
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
10%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: Bomber vs. Seed
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0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Sbenu Ace vs. MVP Ace
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On June 01 2015 20:15 Elentos wrote: How the fuck does GuMiho outmicro MMA with a towel over his mouse while most pro Terrans can't do it without the towel?
On June 01 2015 20:15 Elentos wrote: How the fuck does GuMiho outmicro MMA with a towel over his mouse while most pro Terrans can't do it without the towel?
Why should a towel be a disadvantage?
I don't think I could micro properly with a towel over my mouse.
On June 01 2015 20:15 Elentos wrote: How the fuck does GuMiho outmicro MMA with a towel over his mouse while most pro Terrans can't do it without the towel?
Why should a towel be a disadvantage?
I don't think I could micro properly with a towel over my mouse.
Oh. Well I don't find it bothersome. I am pretty sure you could do it too once you get used to it.
On June 01 2015 20:15 Elentos wrote: How the fuck does GuMiho outmicro MMA with a towel over his mouse while most pro Terrans can't do it without the towel?
Why should a towel be a disadvantage?
I don't think I could micro properly with a towel over my mouse.
Oh. Well I don't find it bothersome. I am pretty sure you could do it too once you get used to it.
Also MMA's micro is pretty good. So... yeah, GuMiho has some good micro.
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16 total votes
Your vote: MMA vs. GuMiho
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On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
You do realize GuMiho joined MVP this round right?
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
Nope. He joined MVP the day before the Round 2 playoff finals. Seed, TaeJa and HerO had partnerships, Seed joined MVP completely now.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
MVP had a partnership with TL and Dignitas, so they added TaeJa/HerO/Seed to their roster. They didn't have anything with Invasion eSport.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
Nope. He joined MVP the day before the Round 2 playoff finals. Seed, TaeJa and HerO had partnerships, Seed joined MVP completely now.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
Not so weird.The only teams that are really dependant on their terrans this round are Jin Air, SKT and SBENU. Samsung and MVP have decently terran heavy rosters, but not to the point where they require terrans to really dominate, and KT just fields one terran per match.
On June 01 2015 20:46 Penev wrote: It's apparently quite the problem
The booth has gone on a rampage and is attacking random members of the audience and GuMiho couldn't stop it because he's having a piss break is my guess as to what was happening.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
I dont agree with KT and MVP being terran heavy. TY is benched and Flash isn't the proleague destroyer he was in 2014. MVP has only has gumiho.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
I dont agree with KT and MVP being terran heavy. TY is benched and Flash isn't the proleague destroyer he was in 2014. MVP has only has gumiho.
On June 01 2015 20:46 Penev wrote: It's apparently quite the problem
The booth has gone on a rampage and is attacking random members of the audience and GuMiho couldn't stop it because he's having a piss break is my guess as to what was happening.
On June 01 2015 20:53 Elentos wrote: Damn, jjakji was brought to shape by SBENU it seems.
I think it's more about practicing in Korea again. Last time (end of 2013) he got 6th in GSL and #1 on the ladder.
Well he was playing in all the Korean qualifiers this year so I just assumed he's been practicing in Korea all year. He didn't look this good at Gfinity for instance.
On June 01 2015 20:29 royalroadweed wrote: Gumiho showing why cj and mvp should have played him much more often.
Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
I dont agree with KT and MVP being terran heavy. TY is benched and Flash isn't the proleague destroyer he was in 2014. MVP has only has gumiho.
Both of them field Terrans every series though.
So does Prime. And I notice they aren't your list.
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Your vote: jjakji vs. Panic
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On June 01 2015 20:30 Elentos wrote: [quote] Why MVP?
He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
I dont agree with KT and MVP being terran heavy. TY is benched and Flash isn't the proleague destroyer he was in 2014. MVP has only has gumiho.
Both of them field Terrans every series though.
So does Prime. And I notice they aren't your list.
Well, does it really matter who you field against 2015 Prime?
On June 01 2015 20:36 royalroadweed wrote: [quote] He wasn't played in round 1 or round 2. MVP played seed (0-3), center (1-5) and MK (3-12) over him the same way CJ played sora (3-7) and effort (6-13) over him.
He wasn't on their team in round 1 or 2.
He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
I dont agree with KT and MVP being terran heavy. TY is benched and Flash isn't the proleague destroyer he was in 2014. MVP has only has gumiho.
Both of them field Terrans every series though.
So does Prime. And I notice they aren't your list.
Well, does it really matter who you field against 2015 Prime?
Same with MVP and KT terrans with the exception of gumiho.
On June 01 2015 20:37 royalroadweed wrote: [quote] He wasn't? I thought he had a partnership.
also effort is the reason that CJ made the round 3 finals last year
He was great vs T, awful vs everything else. So in 2014 proleague terms he should only be played vs KT and Jin Air.
Weird how in 2015 you'd field him against KT, Jin Air, SBENU, SKT, MVP and Samsung <.<
I dont agree with KT and MVP being terran heavy. TY is benched and Flash isn't the proleague destroyer he was in 2014. MVP has only has gumiho.
Both of them field Terrans every series though.
So does Prime. And I notice they aren't your list.
Well, does it really matter who you field against 2015 Prime?
Same with MVP and KT terrans with the exception of gumiho.
I would disagree and say that you have to play the right players against Flash and TY even if they aren't in form right now.
I can see where you're coming from. Flash seems to be recovering some of his form and TY usually wins the rare times he is played recently. I still don't think the have the strength of their 2014 selves that required an excellent vT sniper like 2014 effort.
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
On June 01 2015 20:59 royalroadweed wrote: 2011 terrans really were the best players.
I agree, Puma was amazing
didn't expect you of all people to appreciate Puma's greatness. The way he took Protoss players apart was silly :D
Oh I appreciate the nostalgia his name brings
My favorite game of his was in the DHW 2011 finals on Dual Sight, when HerO blind countered his 1-1-1 with a phoenix opening.
oh damn, Dual Sight brings back all the good memories. I actually liked it that Puma lost there, was fun telling Toss in the ladder to just play like HerO when they raged at my 111 :D Also the whole series was fun to watch
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
He was also great in early-mid HotS, really just dropped off 1-1,5 years ago
On June 01 2015 20:59 royalroadweed wrote: 2011 terrans really were the best players.
I agree, Puma was amazing
didn't expect you of all people to appreciate Puma's greatness. The way he took Protoss players apart was silly :D
Oh I appreciate the nostalgia his name brings
My favorite game of his was in the DHW 2011 finals on Dual Sight, when HerO blind countered his 1-1-1 with a phoenix opening.
oh damn, Dual Sight brings back all the good memories. I actually liked it that Puma lost there, was fun telling Toss in the ladder to just play like HerO when they raged at my 111 :D Also the whole series was fun to watch
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
I like to pretend Polt won that tournament.
He would have deserved winning it, that's for sure.
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
I like to pretend Polt won that tournament.
He would have deserved winning it, that's for sure.
HerO's PvT was so ridiculous that tournament. Man that made me happy.
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
I like to pretend Polt won that tournament.
He would have deserved winning it, that's for sure.
HerO's PvT was so ridiculous that tournament. Man that made me happy.
I imagine you and about 4 other people. Polt took the hearts of so many with his fight against imbalance and KeSPA Protosses.
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
I like to pretend Polt won that tournament.
He would have deserved winning it, that's for sure.
HerO's PvT was so ridiculous that tournament. Man that made me happy.
I imagine you and about 4 other people. Polt took the hearts of so many with his fight against imbalance and KeSPA Protosses.
And then he died to a foreign team protoss, how fitting
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
I like to pretend Polt won that tournament.
He would have deserved winning it, that's for sure.
HerO's PvT was so ridiculous that tournament. Man that made me happy.
I imagine you and about 4 other people. Polt took the hearts of so many with his fight against imbalance and KeSPA Protosses.
I was just happy the games were unreal all tournament and the annoying Kespa fanboys got owned.
On June 01 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I do remember HerO was one of the best protosses, sadly it was in WOL era and without Kespam, so doesnt rly matter :D
And then he remembered it one time last year and won IEM Cologne
I like to pretend Polt won that tournament.
He would have deserved winning it, that's for sure.
HerO's PvT was so ridiculous that tournament. Man that made me happy.
I imagine you and about 4 other people. Polt took the hearts of so many with his fight against imbalance and KeSPA Protosses.
And then he died to a foreign team protoss, how fitting
Also 3 SG hype!
Honestly, most that I remember from that tournament is 1) Polt killing nexus after nexus and 2) Jaedong playing against 30844 soultrains.
Oldschool Jaedong in WCS yesterday, oldschool HerO in Proleague today, jjakji playing like a true GSL champion, GuMiho beating MMA. The blast from the past is real.
Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
This whole fame is actually about Hero's runbys. DRG is still starved for minerals even 34 minues into the game, if he had money, he would cover the whole map in spores and won with vipers.
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Your vote: DongRaeGu vs. HerO
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On June 01 2015 21:29 EnPo wrote: Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
Complaining about a spell that allows you to not get punished if you screw up your micro or just a-move.
On June 01 2015 21:29 EnPo wrote: Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
Complaining about a spell that allows you to not get punished if you screw up your micro or just a-move.
Because when you make one single mistake you should be chain stunned to the ground and have your entire army die. I bet you loved the bl-infestor era
On June 01 2015 21:34 bo1b wrote: urgh, why wont zergs learn to roach hydra infestor viper corrupter -> mass muta switch when they have enough apm
corrupter/queen has never worked vs mass air toss
it worked in the first 2 engagements, forcing recalls. What lost it was not defending his expansions and moving his whole army away from his spores to defend the top right when it was dead anyway
On June 01 2015 21:34 bo1b wrote: urgh, why wont zergs learn to roach hydra infestor viper corrupter -> mass muta switch when they have enough apm
corrupter/queen has never worked vs mass air toss
I'm sure these best players in the world never tried it, go tell them
They have tried it lol, jaedong tore shit up for months in 2013 with it before inexplicably failing with swarmhost style plays, drg got super good at it etc.
On June 01 2015 21:34 bo1b wrote: urgh, why wont zergs learn to roach hydra infestor viper corrupter -> mass muta switch when they have enough apm
corrupter/queen has never worked vs mass air toss
it worked in the first 2 engagements, forcing recalls. What lost it was not defending his expansions and moving his whole army away from his spores to defend the top right when it was dead anyway
That's true, DRG did not do a good job at expanding. Should have build massive amounts of static defense at every new expansion right away. Like Jaedong. :D
On June 01 2015 21:37 deacon.frost wrote: They mentioned MC, do they mean MC is doing commentary in Korean or does some Korean caster have same nickname?
At work, no time to out of the game moments, ale not following Korean commentary
Thanks!
The MC aka Master of Ceremonies aka the host of the show. Also call him Monday Caster sometimes I think for whatever reason.
On June 01 2015 21:37 deacon.frost wrote: They mentioned MC, do they mean MC is doing commentary in Korean or does some Korean caster have same nickname?
At work, no time to out of the game moments, ale not following Korean commentary
Thanks!
The MC aka Master of Ceremonies aka the host of the show. Also call him Monday Caster sometimes I think for whatever reason.
On June 01 2015 21:38 yellowdrug wrote: after swarm host nerfed, zerg race have bacome to poor
did you even watch the game? he forced two recalls with good fights, killed the 5th with virtually no losses then had one bad engagement after never defending his expos.
On June 01 2015 21:34 bo1b wrote: urgh, why wont zergs learn to roach hydra infestor viper corrupter -> mass muta switch when they have enough apm
corrupter/queen has never worked vs mass air toss
I'm sure these best players in the world never tried it, go tell them
They have tried it lol, jaedong tore shit up for months in 2013 with it before inexplicably failing with swarmhost style plays, drg got super good at it etc.
On June 01 2015 21:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: Oh by the way, I had a signature bet going with Cricketer for DRG vs HerO. You may all look forward to his new signature.
Suggestions?
"Only philandering filth play protoss, the better player lost today"
On June 01 2015 21:29 EnPo wrote: Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
I feel that way of looking at it is too simple. I believe people don't like it when a player can do literally everything right, but the outcome isn't in their hands.
Asymmetry is cool, but if DRG messes up one engagement he's dead, but when HerO messes up an engagement he just recalls. This would be fair if HerO's army would be harder to use than DRG's, but it isn't, as that is about equal. Recall in general isn't frowned upon, as it opens up tactical possibilities, but in this specific situation it is understandable why it would annoy people. The same goes for FF and Fungal. In many cases they're fair, but in specific situations they can be used in such a way that makes an opponent (nearly) powerless to do anything, and lose the game instantly.
On June 01 2015 21:29 EnPo wrote: Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
I feel that way of looking at it is too simple. I believe people don't like it when a player can do literally everything right, but the outcome isn't in their hands.
Asymmetry is cool, but if DRG messes up one engagement he's dead, but when HerO messes up an engagement he just recalls. This would be fair if HerO's army would be harder to use than DRG's, but it isn't, as that is about equal. Recall in general isn't frowned upon, as it opens up tactical possibilities, but in this specific situation it is understandable why it would annoy people. The same goes for FF and Fungal. In many cases they're fair, but in specific situations they can be used in such a way that makes an opponent (nearly) powerless to do anything, and lose the game instantly.
On June 01 2015 21:29 EnPo wrote: Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
I feel that way of looking at it is too simple. I believe people don't like it when a player can do literally everything right, but the outcome isn't in their hands.
Asymmetry is cool, but if DRG messes up one engagement he's dead, but when HerO messes up an engagement he just recalls. This would be fair if HerO's army would be harder to use than DRG's, but it isn't, as that is about equal. Recall in general isn't frowned upon, as it opens up tactical possibilities, but in this specific situation it is understandable why it would annoy people. The same goes for FF and Fungal. In many cases they're fair, but in specific situations they can be used in such a way that makes an opponent (nearly) powerless to do anything, and lose the game instantly.
The old recall was cool. You couldn't use it while you have MSC/MS with you
On June 01 2015 21:29 EnPo wrote: Everyone hating on micro denying spells like FF and Fungal > someone has the ability to deny effects of micro-denial > "YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MICRO" > wat
I feel that way of looking at it is too simple. I believe people don't like it when a player can do literally everything right, but the outcome isn't in their hands.
Asymmetry is cool, but if DRG messes up one engagement he's dead, but when HerO messes up an engagement he just recalls. This would be fair if HerO's army would be harder to use than DRG's, but it isn't, as that is about equal. Recall in general isn't frowned upon, as it opens up tactical possibilities, but in this specific situation it is understandable why it would annoy people. The same goes for FF and Fungal. In many cases they're fair, but in specific situations they can be used in such a way that makes an opponent (nearly) powerless to do anything, and lose the game instantly.
Phoenix voidray tempest is hard to use?
I honestly wouldn't know because I don't often play Protoss, so I wanted to be fair and assume equality in that regard for the sake of the overarching point I was trying to make.
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Your vote: Bomber vs. Seed
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Poll: Sbenu Ace vs. MVP Ace
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★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
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Your vote: Sbenu Ace vs. MVP Ace
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Feels like one of those games when you play so badly as protoss, but somehow your terran opponent just manages to clump against all your storms or does a weird half hearted all in and dies....
On June 01 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote: Bomber pulling all those scvs seemed very unnecessary. He wasn't behind or anything...
BUT SEED! WHAT A BAWS!
Tbh I'm not sure why Bomber didn't go for the army after pulling the boys. There weren't that many storms at that point and if you kill the army the 3rd isn't important. And he could have killed the 3rd without the boys in the first place.
On June 01 2015 21:58 xAdra wrote: Feels like one of those games when you play so badly as protoss, but somehow your terran opponent just manages to clump against all your storms or does a weird half hearted all in and dies....
yeah pretty much that, Seed had some terrible misplays right up until he hit some storms and won
On June 01 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote: Bomber pulling all those scvs seemed very unnecessary. He wasn't behind or anything...
BUT SEED! WHAT A BAWS!
Tbh I'm not sure why Bomber didn't go for the army after pulling the boys. There weren't that many storms at that point and if you kill the army the 3rd isn't important. And he could have killed the 3rd without the boys in the first place.
Just a clear indication of how nervous he was feeling. SBENU already lost a match last week so people had expectations for this week against MVP. And they go to ace match only if he wins, so he was being precautions. It ended up being his downfall though.. :/
On June 01 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote: Bomber pulling all those scvs seemed very unnecessary. He wasn't behind or anything...
BUT SEED! WHAT A BAWS!
Tbh I'm not sure why Bomber didn't go for the army after pulling the boys. There weren't that many storms at that point and if you kill the army the 3rd isn't important. And he could have killed the 3rd without the boys in the first place.
Beat Jin Air 3-1 get 3-1'd by MVP. This round of Proleague might be the closest this year. Every place from 1 to 7 is a hard fight. If KT and CJ win tomorrow there'll be 2 teams at 3-1 and 5 teams at 2-2.
On June 01 2015 22:07 Elentos wrote: Beat Jin Air 3-1 get 3-1'd by MVP. This round of Proleague might be the closest this year. Every place from 1 to 7 is a hard fight. If KT and CJ win tomorrow there'll be 2 teams at 3-1 and 5 teams at 2-2.
I dunno, I consider SBENU playing superior to any other PL matchup, because I just want to see DRG, Bomber and MMA competing in high-level Korean SC2. The clash of telecoms will probably be 4 to 5 very high quality games, but these are the matchups we get to see all the time.
On June 01 2015 21:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: Oh by the way, I had a signature bet going with Cricketer for DRG vs HerO. You may all look forward to his new signature.
On June 01 2015 21:55 dazed25 wrote: the day countless fpls died. along with sbenu hype train
Maybe Sbenu got cocky there for a bit, but they'll come prepared for CJ after 2 straight. Playoffs tracks may lead up hill, but the hype train will climb to the top!
On June 01 2015 22:23 opisska wrote: I dunno, I consider SBENU playing superior to any other PL matchup, because I just want to see DRG, Bomber and MMA competing in high-level Korean SC2. The clash of telecoms will probably be 4 to 5 very high quality games, but these are the matchups we get to see all the time.
But... like... Flash and INnoVation haven't played in a televised series since 2013, Dream and Zest have never played a televised game against each other, Classic vs Life rarely happens and Stats and Dark only have played each other once. Not only that, but it has the Telecom wars atmosphere.
On June 01 2015 22:23 opisska wrote: I dunno, I consider SBENU playing superior to any other PL matchup, because I just want to see DRG, Bomber and MMA competing in high-level Korean SC2. The clash of telecoms will probably be 4 to 5 very high quality games, but these are the matchups we get to see all the time.
But... like... Flash and INnoVation haven't played in a televised series since 2013, Dream and Zest have never played a televised game against each other, Classic vs Life rarely happens and Stats and Dark only have played each other once. Not only that, but it has the Telecom wars atmosphere.
That's really funny, because if you don't consider the actual pairing, these are really the top players lately, who naturally play against each other a lot. (Except for Flash, of course.)
Noob question here, but what are the tie breaker rules in PL? I'm asking this because I don't understand why MVP is above Sbenu and Samsung in liquipedia for round 3 ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_Proleague/Round_3 ). Maybe it's just a wiki error, but if not, why is MVP ahead with worst map difference of the 3 teams because of warnings?
The ranking ishard to do correctly before the end of the round. MVP is ahead of SBENU because of the Head 2 head. However, SBENU hasn't played Samsung yet, therefore SBENU should be ahead of Samsung (maps), MVP should be ahead of SBENU and Samsung should be ahead of MVP (H2H). And that's impossible. :-P
In the good news, I finally found out what song plays at the beginning of the broadcast when they show the Nexon Arena and the teams are standing in formation. So, yay me.
Wooooooo, I have always loved MVP so glad they are doing well. Seems like their protoss core is strengthening, they just need someone else on Gumiho's level to be a pretty top team. Would love to see a solid macro zerg to round out their team, losira always frustrates me cuz he'll just get himself behind playing some weird roach bane style or early burrow and such.
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
Difference is that you don't expect Bomber, jjakji and DongRaeGu to go in and dominate SPL, crushing herO, Maru and Life. Most people did expect the EG-TL players to do that, especially Taeja iirc.
edit: Some quotes from the "Unholy Alliance" announcements:
"I expect TL+EG to destroy this league, but I think itll be fun watching =D"
"Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Sea, Zenio are you kidding me? this team looks incredibly scary to say the least."
"Awesome...I hope they can compete reasonably. Though I shouldn't be worried...they have Hero, Taeja, Stephano, JYP, and Puma ."
"I honesty believes that the LiquidGeniuses will do very well against the kespa teams."
But some people knew what was up:
"They are going to get their asses torn apart, but it's nice news."
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
Difference is that you don't expect Bomber, jjakji and DongRaeGu to go in and dominate SPL, crushing herO, Maru and Life. Most people did expect the EG-TL players to do that, especially Taeja iirc.
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
Difference is that you don't expect Bomber, jjakji and DongRaeGu to go in and dominate SPL, crushing herO, Maru and Life. Most people did expect the EG-TL players to do that, especially Taeja iirc.
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
Difference is that you don't expect Bomber, jjakji and DongRaeGu to go in and dominate SPL, crushing herO, Maru and Life. Most people did expect the EG-TL players to do that, especially Taeja iirc.
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
Difference is that you don't expect Bomber, jjakji and DongRaeGu to go in and dominate SPL, crushing herO, Maru and Life. Most people did expect the EG-TL players to do that, especially Taeja iirc.
And in the end only Stephano did decently.
HerO did the best iirc.
HerO did the best in # of wins, Stephano did the best in win rate Take it as you will
On June 02 2015 02:03 supernovamaniac wrote: Is this EGTL-style hype again?
it was even worse
Ah cmon, most of the hype for SBENU is/was there cause SBENU as a company is amazing, not because of the players (at least that's how i saw it) EGTL got hyped cause people expected the players to be far ahead, the hype was completely different
WHAT? I don't care about SBENU as a company much - yes they put a lot of money into esports which is nice, but they make shoes that are completely irrelevant for me. But they got themselves EVERY FUCKING LEGEND ON THE MARKET. It's actually quite similar to EGTL - I get to see my favourite players play in PL, that increases my PL-hype by orders of magnitude.
Difference is that you don't expect Bomber, jjakji and DongRaeGu to go in and dominate SPL, crushing herO, Maru and Life. Most people did expect the EG-TL players to do that, especially Taeja iirc.
And in the end only Stephano did decently.
HerO did the best iirc.
But Stephano was the only one above 50% WR wasn't he?
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