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Elentos
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On May 18 2015 19:38 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 19:37 sAsImre wrote:On May 18 2015 19:36 Rollora wrote:On May 18 2015 19:19 Elentos wrote:
The real question is - if this works for Reality, will this find its way into the meta? <.< The answer is no: I have seen several mech+ghost vs Toss games, and many wins with it. The reason it worked was mostly because it surprised the opponent. If the opponent knows you are going mech or there is a high possibility, he maneuvres the way around you. Meaning, he abuses the fact that his army is way more mobile. Also mech takes very long to be strong (requires high numbers) as ground force- so you "just" need to go for an early push (sounds easier then it is ofc) or allin, to kill the mech player. Maxed out mech usually also doesn't have too well of anti-air. And if you got Thors and the Opponent has HTs, feedback hits pretty hard. But: its actually a good composition IF you ever make it to the maxed out mech + Ghosts. So its basically not a very viable option. Its not bad, but its hard to execute and there are many ways to kill the mech player before he gets the composition he wants. We will see it from time to time again (as we did already, every couple of months), and if you watch some players that ONLY play mech (or are known for likely going mech), you see you can have success with it. But most players will feel more comfortable with a faster/ more mobile army. If LOTV Tanks (pickup by medivac) stay that way, mech could be more viable, since one of the biggest problems is the time between unsieging, moving, sieging and shooting (if you get attacked somewhere you don't have your army, as we have seen Reality losing his PF) main example was Bbyong in the play off last year. Won twice with it, got destroyed by Rain the 3rd time he tried it and it wasn't even close. Rain just built stargate and carriers iirc. Stats did it as well against Suno in GSL too.
Zest did it vs Bbyong in SSL Challenger.
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On May 18 2015 19:33 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 19:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i traded DRG for Solar and Myungsik for Yongwha, i guess Maru and Rogue will lose tomorrow Well, Solar losing to his Nemesis on the worst map and Yongwha losing to Reality are hardly benchmarks for the performance of the best Terran and second best Zerg* in the world. *this is an obvious bait to hear everyone's top5-zerg lists.
Life, Dark, Rogue, ByuL and SortOf
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I am so happy I am moving soon. Fuck you internet I can live without it for a while with the promise of about 90374032975x better stability TT
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On May 18 2015 19:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 19:33 Big J wrote:On May 18 2015 19:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i traded DRG for Solar and Myungsik for Yongwha, i guess Maru and Rogue will lose tomorrow Well, Solar losing to his Nemesis on the worst map and Yongwha losing to Reality are hardly benchmarks for the performance of the best Terran and second best Zerg* in the world. *this is an obvious bait to hear everyone's top5-zerg lists. Well the Solar one was a gamble, but Yongwha should have won that imo :D I am always interested in top 5 lists though 
In my opinion, Yongwha has been overperforming in proleague not the other way around for individual leagues. That's why I wouldn't bet on him against any midclass opponent, like Reality. 
Top5 Zerg is pretty easy
ByuL
Rogue
Life
Dark
Style Start Dong
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On May 18 2015 19:37 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 19:36 Rollora wrote:On May 18 2015 19:19 Elentos wrote:
The real question is - if this works for Reality, will this find its way into the meta? <.< The answer is no: I have seen several mech+ghost vs Toss games, and many wins with it. The reason it worked was mostly because it surprised the opponent. If the opponent knows you are going mech or there is a high possibility, he maneuvres the way around you. Meaning, he abuses the fact that his army is way more mobile. Also mech takes very long to be strong (requires high numbers) as ground force- so you "just" need to go for an early push (sounds easier then it is ofc) or allin, to kill the mech player. Maxed out mech usually also doesn't have too well of anti-air. And if you got Thors and the Opponent has HTs, feedback hits pretty hard. But: its actually a good composition IF you ever make it to the maxed out mech + Ghosts. So its basically not a very viable option. Its not bad, but its hard to execute and there are many ways to kill the mech player before he gets the composition he wants. We will see it from time to time again (as we did already, every couple of months), and if you watch some players that ONLY play mech (or are known for likely going mech), you see you can have success with it. But most players will feel more comfortable with a faster/ more mobile army. If LOTV Tanks (pickup by medivac) stay that way, mech could be more viable, since one of the biggest problems is the time between unsieging, moving, sieging and shooting (if you get attacked somewhere you don't have your army, as we have seen Reality losing his PF) main example was Bbyong in the play off last year. Won twice with it, got destroyed by Rain the 3rd time he tried it and it wasn't even close. Rain just built stargate and carriers iirc.
yeah, if it comes to the lategame, choice #1 is stargate and maybe HT. If the 2 maxed out armies clash against each other, its over for the mech player. Even when there are even trades, mech takes too long to rebuild.
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On May 18 2015 19:41 Roadog wrote:
Forcefield good unit
no forcefields = units value 0
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Losiras position is so abusable by Dear.
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Poll: Recommend Dear vs Losira?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6) 60% ★★★- Good game (4) 40% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Losira? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Elentos
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Now it all comes down to MarineKing's TvT.
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On May 18 2015 19:45 Elentos wrote:
Now it all comes down to MarineKing's TvT.
famous last words
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So MatchfixKing will play!
User was warned for this post
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On May 18 2015 19:45 Elentos wrote:
Now it all comes down to MarineKing's TvT.
which is 0-6 in 2015 Proleague.
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On May 18 2015 19:45 Elentos wrote:
Now it all comes down to MarineKing's TvT.
grats SGK
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MarineKing has to beat BravO, congrats Samsung.
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On May 18 2015 19:45 Elentos wrote:
Now it all comes down to MarineKing's TvT.
oh god. and i actually want him to win so SGK loses.
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On May 18 2015 19:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 19:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 18 2015 19:33 Big J wrote:On May 18 2015 19:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok i traded DRG for Solar and Myungsik for Yongwha, i guess Maru and Rogue will lose tomorrow Well, Solar losing to his Nemesis on the worst map and Yongwha losing to Reality are hardly benchmarks for the performance of the best Terran and second best Zerg* in the world. *this is an obvious bait to hear everyone's top5-zerg lists. Well the Solar one was a gamble, but Yongwha should have won that imo :D I am always interested in top 5 lists though In my opinion, Yongwha has been overperforming in proleague not the other way around for individual leagues. That's why I wouldn't bet on him against any midclass opponent, like Reality. Top5 Zerg is pretty easy ByuL Rogue Life Dark Style Start Dong
Hm, i just know that Yongwha is a dream destroyer in qualifiers and his proleague record was quite good too (i mean you can be good in proleague and do way worse in individual leagues, it's kinda different)
Why i hoped for Solar being good again, i don't know -.-
Sbenu can do wonders, but transforming DRG into a top 5 zerg isn't one of them
Life, Byul, Rogue, Dark, there is no other zerg worthy of being 5th
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Can some of the newer lr posters start making lr threads pls? Looking at you Elentos.
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On May 18 2015 19:46 RHoudini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 19:45 Elentos wrote:
Now it all comes down to MarineKing's TvT. which is 0-6 in 2015 Proleague.
his TvT looked alright in DH. maybe gumiho has been giving him tips. although iirc bravo has pretty good TvT.
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EPT
