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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2041
On May 10 2015 03:35 cheekymonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:33 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 cheekymonkey wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.


Ehhh.


It was.


That was because the game hadn't matured yet. The later Naniwa/Scarlett/Snute accomplishments are more impressive than Mr 200/200 Roach into BL/Infestor (which isn't to say that Stephano was totally terrible)


That's not counterargument. Besides, the game matured with stephano. He was both at korean skill level and innovated the game at the same time.


Nah, not at all
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2042
On May 10 2015 03:34 Larkin wrote:
still depresses me that CS:GO is the leading fps

I miss halo

As a former CS:S amateur player, I'm so happy CS is back. Too bad StarCraft has captivated me since Source died off. hahaha
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2043
On May 10 2015 03:33 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:32 cheekymonkey wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.


Ehhh.


It was.


That was because the game hadn't matured yet. The later Naniwa/Scarlett/Snute accomplishments are more impressive than Mr 200/200 Roach into BL/Infestor (which isn't to say that Stephano was totally terrible)

Hahaha the grudges
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2044
On May 10 2015 03:33 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:32 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.


Ehhh.

then he went to Korea and lost to a marine all-in from Bogus. Great day it was.

More satisfying than winning gsl for me.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 18:36:07
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2045
On May 10 2015 03:33 spoonmaster wrote:
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On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

Honestly I feel like having good coaches really makes a big difference. I felt like your results really improved overall after your stint with Coach Park.

It's also a feature shown in other e-sports like LoL and CS:GO often times good coaches coming to new teams brings out the potential in a team's roster.


There are good coaches in CS:GO? I don't think so (I've played over 2k hours and watched years of cs since 1.6)

From my experience the only real good coaches I know of in esports are the Korean Broodwar Coaches and Some of the newer LoL coaches (also generally Korean.) Most of the lol coaches in lcs that I've seen seem a bit immature to be honest.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2046
Gumi will win, no doubt about that
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2047
On May 10 2015 03:33 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.

Stephano didn't close the gap he simply stopped being something classified as a foreigner


It was not at a relevant period, but Jinro used to be at the same level as the Korean he fought against. Two top 4 GSL.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 18:36:27
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2048
On May 10 2015 03:33 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:32 Elentos wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:31 dazed25 wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point


start a PL type offline tournament in germany and france?

Honestly a Proleague type thing with foreign teams might not be such a bad idea.

With players living in United States, Russia, France, Mexico, etc I don't see how it's doable.

Honestly, if they really want to become as good as the Koreans, they'll have to be ready to make concessions and live together. And then have one teamleague in EU and one in NA and finish it at the global finals.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2049
TRUE <3
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2050
On May 10 2015 03:33 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.

Stephano didn't close the gap he simply stopped being something classified as a foreigner

yeah and then he disappointed in GSL which is like the final test. however, I think sending foreigners to korea and let them fight in the fierce competition there should help individual people. to improve foreign level in general, let koreans come to foreignland and have fun. and don't cry if they win WCS titles then.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2051
On May 10 2015 03:34 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:33 Ej_ wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.


Ehhh.

then he went to Korea and lost to a marine all-in from Bogus. Great day it was.

it was hellions, no? bunch of 2fac hellion allins, that sick game on whirlwind. Oh and a 2rax? 4-1, with stephano taking akilon and INnoVation giving up on 200/200 because Stephano reached BL/Infestor?

wasn't there a game on Whirlwind where Bogus rallied like 4rax marine from 2 bases 2 pixels above Stephano's overlord sight and Stephano just died?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
May 09 2015 18:35 GMT
#2052
Gumi looks like mini-MC
Liquipedia"Expert"
Lockdown-
Profile Joined May 2003
United States298 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2053
TRUE winning the crowd with some Engrish.
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2054
Great to see that the koreans are really trying to speak english
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2055
On May 10 2015 03:35 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:35 cheekymonkey wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:33 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 cheekymonkey wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 Heartland wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:32 royalroadweed wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:30 TheDwf wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point

The gap will never be closed lol

It was a one point with Stephano imo.


Ehhh.


It was.


That was because the game hadn't matured yet. The later Naniwa/Scarlett/Snute accomplishments are more impressive than Mr 200/200 Roach into BL/Infestor (which isn't to say that Stephano was totally terrible)


That's not counterargument. Besides, the game matured with stephano. He was both at korean skill level and innovated the game at the same time.


Nah, not at all


Hope I'm not talking to a Stephano anti-fan here
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2056
On May 10 2015 03:35 spoonmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:34 Larkin wrote:
still depresses me that CS:GO is the leading fps

I miss halo

As a former CS:S amateur player, I'm so happy CS is back. Too bad StarCraft has captivated me since Source died off. hahaha


I find it so dull
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2057
On May 10 2015 03:35 Inflicted wrote:
Gumi looks like mini-MC

wow that's true!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2058
I promised my sword to TRUE before but I love lord gumiho as well. Whatever will this samurai do?!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#2059
On May 10 2015 03:34 Larkin wrote:
still depresses me that CS:GO is the leading fps

I miss halo

I miss Quake
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 09 2015 18:37 GMT
#2060
On May 10 2015 03:33 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 03:32 Elentos wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:31 dazed25 wrote:
On May 10 2015 03:29 Liquid`Snute wrote:
so much discussion on who's the best foreigner but no discussion about how to catch up to the Korean level as a whole. we're really all missing the point


start a PL type offline tournament in germany and france?

Honestly a Proleague type thing with foreign teams might not be such a bad idea.

With players living in United States, Russia, France, Mexico, etc I don't see how it's doable.

this is pointless

we lack the culture of esport that korean have

take a look at NA LCS and EU LCS on league of legends, they all play offline at the same area and they still get wreck by korean and china
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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