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game 1: roaches game 2: either Flash is a god or has never done anything in sc2 game 3: random stuff is produced from gateways game 4: how can there be a game 4 when JA loses 0:3
On March 23 2015 19:45 Megafather wrote: Anyone know what's up with Maru not being fielded?
They're giving him time off for winning NSSL, I guess. KT not giving Life that luxury.
I see. KT desperate
Well, just my guess. Maybe they thought the players they're fielding line up better with whatever KT fields. I mean, at the very least Flash on Deadwing was pretty obvious.
On March 23 2015 20:03 OtherWorld wrote: It's a really interesting move from Rogue, considering that he has the air dominance already I would have expected him to transition to Brood Lords.
Well you have the muta's to counter overseers... so it somehow works well I guess
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On March 23 2015 20:34 OtherWorld wrote: I wonder how Protoss will do in LotV beta, seeing sOs struggling to defend only three bases on the most turtle-friendly map possible.
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On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
I don't think this game is a good example since it was so wonky.
But generally there is a reason why terrans go for the SCV pulls - they believe they have a greater chance winning with that rather than going for the late game.
And I think they still are quite effective when executed right. Have been seeing some bad engagements lately though, SCVs hiding behind the bio etc.
On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
I don't think this game is a good example since it was so wonky.
But generally there is a reason why terrans go for the SCV pulls - they believe they have a greater chance winning with that rather than going for the late game.
And I think they still are quite effective when executed right. Have been seeing some bad engagements lately though, SCVs hiding behind the bio etc.
On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
New Terran unit: Panzer SCV
Just let SCVs transform in Hellbats or HERCs
This is a sick idea. A tier 3 CC add-on that let's SCVs transform into HERCs. This way they don't have to ditch the reasonably cool unit idea. Would require *some* balancing obviously.
On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
I don't think this game is a good example since it was so wonky.
But generally there is a reason why terrans go for the SCV pulls - they believe they have a greater chance winning with that rather than going for the late game.
And I think they still are quite effective when executed right. Have been seeing some bad engagements lately though, SCVs hiding behind the bio etc.
They should take some lessons with Happy
They should take lessons from Hack and give up on SCV pulls and learn proper ghost control <.<
On March 23 2015 20:39 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Did all the good terrans decide that they throw their scv's away to get losses so they get buffs in LotV?
I don't think this game is a good example since it was so wonky.
yeah, I think FlaSh overestimated his harass damage (maybe he thought sOs had cut probes for the immortal poke?) and wasn't expecting a maxed protoss with 7 colossi. Seemed like a particularly awful SCV pull fail
On March 23 2015 20:53 royalroadweed wrote: TANGTANG never would have lost those dts if he was protoss.
TANGTANG wouldn't get to play because Prime's staff is too afraid of him showing too good results.
In all seriousness the guy did beat zest, the most recent IEM winner. Prime should give him a second chance and play him more. They fielded terror and salvation so many times with minimal results that you think they'd give TANGTNAG as much opportunities.
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On March 23 2015 20:53 royalroadweed wrote: TANGTANG never would have lost those dts if he was protoss.
TANGTANG wouldn't get to play because Prime's staff is too afraid of him showing too good results.
In all seriousness the guy did beat zest, the most recent IEM winner. Prime should give him a second chance and play him more. They fielded terror and salvation so many times with minimal results that you think they'd give TANGTNAG as much opportunities.
I dunno, sometimes Prime players enter Berserk mode and kill even the greatest teams/players. That doesn't mean much to me.
On March 23 2015 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote: Just insane PvP. Trap took a big risk with his extra 2 DTs but the way Zest handled everything was inch perfect
Very cost inefficient when you make that many dt's, that waste of minerals hurt him later in the game. Also not cancelling your third base and losing vision of Zest's army
On March 23 2015 20:53 royalroadweed wrote: TANGTANG never would have lost those dts if he was protoss.
TANGTANG wouldn't get to play because Prime's staff is too afraid of him showing too good results.
In all seriousness the guy did beat zest, the most recent IEM winner. Prime should give him a second chance and play him more. They fielded terror and salvation so many times with minimal results that you think they'd give TANGTNAG as much opportunities.
I dunno, sometimes Prime players enter Berserk mode and kill even the greatest teams/players. That doesn't mean much to me.
Prime has won one map this entire season. What do they have to lose by taking a chance?
On March 23 2015 20:53 royalroadweed wrote: TANGTANG never would have lost those dts if he was protoss.
TANGTANG wouldn't get to play because Prime's staff is too afraid of him showing too good results.
In all seriousness the guy did beat zest, the most recent IEM winner. Prime should give him a second chance and play him more. They fielded terror and salvation so many times with minimal results that you think they'd give TANGTNAG as much opportunities.
I dunno, sometimes Prime players enter Berserk mode and kill even the greatest teams/players. That doesn't mean much to me.
Prime has won one map this entire season. What do they have to lose by taking a chance?
Yes, I wouldn't mind seeing TANG² more. But I guess they respect their internal hierarchy.
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Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
Man this was so fucking anticlimactic.I wanted to see who this build works against an actual defended main and not an empty one where the whole army just left.
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
Because Stats didn't attack with the immortal bust timing, so Cure thought Stats must have abandoned it
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
It never came, and he thought Stats just decided to expand instead?
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
It never came, and he thought Stats just decided to expand instead?
But in that case, you HAVE to check for the expansion. I mean, if you move down the ramp versus proxy Immortal, you get sectioned off by forcefields and slaughtered anyways. I don't understand the lack of a Scan in this game, just to get more information. Even if he doesn't scan the natural, a scan in the main shows you nothing and your spidey senses should start tingling.
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
It never came, and he thought Stats just decided to expand instead?
In which case moving out is still a terrible move because you are so far ahead economically.
On March 23 2015 21:15 OtherWorld wrote: My head is telling me that Maru will rip Zest to pieces, but I don't care. GOGO ZEST, SHOW US WHY ZEST IS BEST
He's going to somehow make Maru play like the Terrans did at IEM and just turn the game into a trainwreck.
On March 23 2015 21:15 OtherWorld wrote: My head is telling me that Maru will rip Zest to pieces, but I don't care. GOGO ZEST, SHOW US WHY ZEST IS BEST
He's going to somehow make Maru play like the Terrans did at IEM and just turn the game into a trainwreck.
He should enter Maru's box and show his biceps before the game begins
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
It never came, and he thought Stats just decided to expand instead?
But in that case, you HAVE to check for the expansion. I mean, if you move down the ramp versus proxy Immortal, you get sectioned off by forcefields and slaughtered anyways. I don't understand the lack of a Scan in this game, just to get more information. Even if he doesn't scan the natural, a scan in the main shows you nothing and your spidey senses should start tingling.
On March 23 2015 21:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ok so this works because you pump marines vs proxy immortal and delay tech labs. Stats mindgamed the fact that Cure KNEW it was proxy immortal. Cure moved out because it hit way too late.
What a silly game haha
Why would Cure move out if he thought it was a proxy Immortal?
It never came, and he thought Stats just decided to expand instead?
But in that case, you HAVE to check for the expansion. I mean, if you move down the ramp versus proxy Immortal, you get sectioned off by forcefields and slaughtered anyways. I don't understand the lack of a Scan in this game, just to get more information. Even if he doesn't scan the natural, a scan in the main shows you nothing and your spidey senses should start tingling.
Thank god I am not the only one asking this...
He scouted with an scv that Stats had not expanded, I'm not sure why he moved out with bio though
go check dictionnary, see how 'strong' and 'good' are two different word with different meanings. This build not only won but made everybody laugh, it's and extremely good build in that regard...
On March 23 2015 21:26 Elentos wrote: Let's see if Zest has prayed to InCa, or what else he's planned. I do think that King Sejong is not the best map for proxy colossus on 1 base.
Isn't KSS a good map for mad drops everywhere? Then Zest should probably just play solid turtle style
On March 23 2015 21:26 Elentos wrote: Let's see if Zest has prayed to InCa, or what else he's planned. I do think that King Sejong is not the best map for proxy colossus on 1 base.
Well on this map, he's probably praying to either duckdeok or Inca, so two sections of the book of Protoss bullshit should be covered.
On March 23 2015 21:33 Undead1993 wrote: What, that mothership core is still on the run though.... f5 .... What, that mothership core is still on the run though
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On March 23 2015 21:39 Rollora wrote: Oh a Protoss that actually has 2 control groups for his army and splits it up? That's new
Zest is best yo :D
He just follows my ladder tip. When I switched from Terran, I started as toss with several army groups, also macro games and drop harass instead of relying on Bullshit (which is way more relaxing to play and the opponent rages about how I could win with 1/3 of his APM). I have learned my lesson :D
Can't figure out what Zest was thinking there. I guess maybe he thought the main army was moving toward his third and the group at the back of the nat was a distraction? Even then, what a weird blink.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
On March 23 2015 21:45 REyeM wrote: I still have no fucking idea why the fuck the keep sending Zest for ace matches, both Stats and Life are much better choices
Chill, Stats has done nothing to prove he could have defended better than Zest in that situation, and Zest probably had more time to prepare for the Ace match which highly likely is Maru than Life.
On March 23 2015 21:44 Alucen-Will- wrote: More penetrating analysis from Brendan + Moonglade. Why do people criticize wolf and not them?
because of his hair
I didn't watch it, what was penetrating?
I can't stand Wolfs analysis because he too often as absolutely no clue what he is talking about. I dunno if he is even gold as protoss, and obviously the other races he only knows from the campaign. He misjudges the most obvious situations so often.
And he talks about hair too much, and doesn't like icecream.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
well no, it just allowed maru to stay in the game, when you invest that much in mines and get nothing you're too far behind to come back.
The real blow was the loss of the third, which was already damn late. (there was also a moment when Zest had like 800 mins and 500 gaz which was wierd)
THe only protoss that wins against this strat on this map are the one able to counter attack very quick, those who stay in there base defending always loose in a slow painfull way.
On March 23 2015 21:44 Alucen-Will- wrote: More penetrating analysis from Brendan + Moonglade. Why do people criticize wolf and not them?
Because Wolf is worse. A lot worse
Worse than Brendan?
Well not Brendan I'll give you that. But he's worse than "Glade
Well Moonglade knows his shit. He is absolutely stellar at game understanding and reading situations. Also he has the ability to explain complex things wery well and simple to the audience and is always friendly and mannered.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
No it wasn't. Zest had a Colossi, a few stalkers, and some Zealots that were NEITHER defending the drop or defending his third and he still almost got back in time to deflect Maru's force at the third. That's called bad army movement.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Coach lee would have never done this, bring back coach lee.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
On March 23 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: well maru is really good in tvp, i guess kt didn't expect him to play the ace
Probably expected Rogue? I know I did.
KT should stop auto zesting in ace, you have a lot of good players its ok to rotate them for ace match.
Meh. FlaSh is SC2 FlaSh. Life had no time to prepare for PL, it's already a shame that he got played this week. People keep talking about Stats not being ace while he should be, but I've yet to see ace-worthy performances from him. I mean if he had such a specific build to beat Cure, I honestly don't think he would have stood a chance against Maru.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
There are units in this game which force your opponent to react. Mines, Banes, Oracles are just some examples. What was your point, that mines are too strong?
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
On March 23 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: well maru is really good in tvp, i guess kt didn't expect him to play the ace
Probably expected Rogue? I know I did.
KT should stop auto zesting in ace, you have a lot of good players its ok to rotate them for ace match.
Meh. FlaSh is SC2 FlaSh. Life had no time to prepare for PL, it's already a shame that he got played this week. People keep talking about Stats not being ace while he should be, but I've yet to see ace-worthy performances from him. I mean if he had such a specific build to beat Cure, I honestly don't think he would have stood a chance against Maru.
Didn't mean anything last year where he was their ace in Proleague. It's more about him not being ready/comfortable right now I reckon.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
On March 23 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: well maru is really good in tvp, i guess kt didn't expect him to play the ace
Probably expected Rogue? I know I did.
KT should stop auto zesting in ace, you have a lot of good players its ok to rotate them for ace match.
Meh. FlaSh is SC2 FlaSh. Life had no time to prepare for PL, it's already a shame that he got played this week. People keep talking about Stats not being ace while he should be, but I've yet to see ace-worthy performances from him. I mean if he had such a specific build to beat Cure, I honestly don't think he would have stood a chance against Maru.
Stats has a winning record vs Maru historically. 3-3 in matches, 8-7 in games.
On March 23 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: well maru is really good in tvp, i guess kt didn't expect him to play the ace
Probably expected Rogue? I know I did.
KT should stop auto zesting in ace, you have a lot of good players its ok to rotate them for ace match.
Meh. FlaSh is SC2 FlaSh. Life had no time to prepare for PL, it's already a shame that he got played this week. People keep talking about Stats not being ace while he should be, but I've yet to see ace-worthy performances from him. I mean if he had such a specific build to beat Cure, I honestly don't think he would have stood a chance against Maru.
Stats has a winning record vs Maru historically. 3-3 in matches, 8-7 in games.
And? San was 10-0 against Life a few months ago. HtH records don't mean much unless the matches happened in the last months or so.
On March 23 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: well maru is really good in tvp, i guess kt didn't expect him to play the ace
Probably expected Rogue? I know I did.
KT should stop auto zesting in ace, you have a lot of good players its ok to rotate them for ace match.
Meh. FlaSh is SC2 FlaSh. Life had no time to prepare for PL, it's already a shame that he got played this week. People keep talking about Stats not being ace while he should be, but I've yet to see ace-worthy performances from him. I mean if he had such a specific build to beat Cure, I honestly don't think he would have stood a chance against Maru.
Stats has a winning record vs Maru historically. 3-3 in matches, 8-7 in games.
Stats lost their match in SSL and Maru came out kinda unexpected.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Yeah right, he even qualified for Code S.
Stats is 7-2 in proleague this season in case you didn't know
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
At this point a shock therapy is needed, losing TerrOr in the ace or something
On March 23 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: well maru is really good in tvp, i guess kt didn't expect him to play the ace
Probably expected Rogue? I know I did.
KT should stop auto zesting in ace, you have a lot of good players its ok to rotate them for ace match.
Meh. FlaSh is SC2 FlaSh. Life had no time to prepare for PL, it's already a shame that he got played this week. People keep talking about Stats not being ace while he should be, but I've yet to see ace-worthy performances from him. I mean if he had such a specific build to beat Cure, I honestly don't think he would have stood a chance against Maru.
Stats has a winning record vs Maru historically. 3-3 in matches, 8-7 in games.
And? San was 10-0 against Life a few months ago. HtH records don't mean much unless the matches happened in the last months or so.
It's all played since 2014. I agree that Maru would be favored, but I don't agree with Stats not having a chance in a bo1. He even won 2 games in their recent bo7 series.
Eh. I know I'm a KT fan boy but we don't even often go to the ace match after going 0-2 (from my biased memory.) I think this result is solid given that. I would like to see some Stats for our 0-2 to ace match % (lol.) Go KT!
thats not the point, zest currently has a abysmal ace match record to the point where it might be affecting his mind going into them, which is why I'm saying stats over flash and life because those two aren't doing so hot in PL, actually life would have made a great choice, being in the finals has no bearing on that.
On March 23 2015 21:59 Vasoline73 wrote: Eh. I know I'm a KT fan boy but we don't even often go to the ace match after going 0-2 (from my biased memory.) I think this result is solid given that. I would like to see some Stats for our 0-2 to ace match % (for the last couple of years lol.) Go KT!
I guess I edited and quoted that at the same time. Just need to blog and PM it now. #drunk . Sorry mods. Fml.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
That's not proof he would have done any better against Maru. Not to mention that, as I said, Maru coming out was kinda unexpected, Rogue would have made just as much sense. If you can be 100% sure they'll send out Maru, it's more likely that Life would be picked as ace.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
On March 23 2015 22:01 BLinD-RawR wrote: thats not the point, zest currently has a abysmal ace match record to the point where it might be affecting his mind going into them, which is why I'm saying stats over flash and life because those two aren't doing so hot in PL, actually life would have made a great choice, being in the finals has no bearing on that.
I actually don't think it affects his mind at all tbh. I think Zest's biggest strength is in fact his mental stability. PvT is just not his best matchup, add the map to that AND that he has to play vs Maru on it. But yeah playing other players might be a good change in general, Zest is kinda too predictable at this point
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
On March 23 2015 22:16 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
On March 23 2015 22:16 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
Coach Lee>>>>Coach Park
I didn't know a mere mortal >>>> a god >.>
do you even know who coach lee is?
iirc TSL had a coach named Lee, but I think the one you're talking about is probably a former KT coach?
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
On March 23 2015 22:16 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote: [quote] Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
Coach Lee>>>>Coach Park
I didn't know a mere mortal >>>> a god >.>
do you even know who coach lee is?
iirc TSL had a coach named Lee, but I think the one you're talking about is probably a former KT coach?
yes i'm talking about the former KT coach, I didn't even know the TSL coach's name until now.
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote: [quote] Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
On March 23 2015 22:16 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote: [quote]
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
Well Ryu Won is no Coach Park, so yeah. I guess it's Kang Doh Gyung who takes the decisions though?
Coach Lee>>>>Coach Park
I didn't know a mere mortal >>>> a god >.>
do you even know who coach lee is?
iirc TSL had a coach named Lee, but I think the one you're talking about is probably a former KT coach?
yes i'm talking about the former KT coach, I didn't even know the TSL coach's name until now.
Well, Coach Park is still more impressive to me d:
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Brendan and Glade also didn't expect Maru to come out as Ace, but I was almost sure he would, and he did. I don't know if KT expect him. Life would have a better chance against Maru, I'd say 50-50 than Zest. Zest PvT hasn't look to solid, or maybe Maru is a little too good these days.
Although I'd say Life looking a little stress lately, maybe adapting to a strict Kespa training regime, pressure to perform well, etc. Back when he was at Startale, he could pretty much do anything he likes.
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Like wise for MVP. Even giving MVP a prime win, that's a potential 3-4 for both for them. Highly likely a 4-3 makes the playoffs this round. If we make it there, that's potential more points for us. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but let's have faith. there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Likewise for MVP. Even giving MVP a free win against Prime, that's 3-4 for them. 4-3 usually makes the playoffs for a round. If we make it there, that's more potential points for us. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but let us keep faith.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Coach lee would have never done this, bring back coach lee.
Remember the times in BW KT kept losing in ace because KT was being stupid and kept sending out Flash? It's totally Coach Lee
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Like wise for MVP. Even giving MVP a prime win, that's a potential 3-4 for both for them. Highly likely a 4-3 makes the playoffs this round. If we make it there, that's potential more points for us. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but let's have faith. there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Likewise for MVP. Even giving MVP a free win against Prime, that's 3-4 for them. 4-3 usually makes the playoffs for a round. If we make it there, that's more potential points for us. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but let us keep faith.
Sure, it's all possible. But even if KT wins all games from now, all Samsung has to do is win against CJ or SKT and make the other series go to ace. That's why I really hope the boys bring their A-game next week. And Stats maybe some more weird strats. Whatever it takes to win.
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote: [quote] Zest crushed Trap. Maru being fielded as ace was unexpected since he wasn't in the original lineup. Flash and Life lost against players that could have been sent out as ace. So it's between Stats and Zest, and we have no proof Stats would have done better.
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Like wise for MVP. Even giving MVP a prime win, that's a potential 3-4 for both for them. Highly likely a 4-3 makes the playoffs this round. If we make it there, that's potential more points for us. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but let's have faith. there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Likewise for MVP. Even giving MVP a free win against Prime, that's 3-4 for them. 4-3 usually makes the playoffs for a round. If we make it there, that's more potential points for us. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but let us keep faith.
Sure, it's all possible. But even if KT wins all games from now, all Samsung has to do is win against CJ or SKT and make the other series go to ace. That's why I really hope the boys bring their A-game next week. And Stats maybe some more weird strats. Whatever it takes to win.
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:55 REyeM wrote: [quote]
Except the fact that hes doing much better than Zest these days
Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Like wise for MVP. Even giving MVP a prime win, that's a potential 3-4 for both for them. Highly likely a 4-3 makes the playoffs this round. If we make it there, that's potential more points for us. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but let's have faith. there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Likewise for MVP. Even giving MVP a free win against Prime, that's 3-4 for them. 4-3 usually makes the playoffs for a round. If we make it there, that's more potential points for us. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but let us keep faith.
Sure, it's all possible. But even if KT wins all games from now, all Samsung has to do is win against CJ or SKT and make the other series go to ace. That's why I really hope the boys bring their A-game next week. And Stats maybe some more weird strats. Whatever it takes to win.
Samsung winning against CJ or SKT kekekekeke
You laugh about it, but all it takes is one player losing to Dear (which is easily possible for most players they could send against him, tbh), one player slipping up (i.e. someone getting sniped by Bravo) and an unlucky ace match. Also, Samsung can channel the power of Guilty.
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:06 elwoodng wrote: [quote] Except for the fact that Stats was smashed pretty hard by Maru in SSL.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Like wise for MVP. Even giving MVP a prime win, that's a potential 3-4 for both for them. Highly likely a 4-3 makes the playoffs this round. If we make it there, that's potential more points for us. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but let's have faith. there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Likewise for MVP. Even giving MVP a free win against Prime, that's 3-4 for them. 4-3 usually makes the playoffs for a round. If we make it there, that's more potential points for us. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but let us keep faith.
Sure, it's all possible. But even if KT wins all games from now, all Samsung has to do is win against CJ or SKT and make the other series go to ace. That's why I really hope the boys bring their A-game next week. And Stats maybe some more weird strats. Whatever it takes to win.
Samsung winning against CJ or SKT kekekekeke
You laugh about it, but all it takes is one player losing to Dear (which is almost a given for most players they could send against him, tbh), one player slipping up (i.e. someone getting sniped by Bravo) and an unlucky ace match. Also, Samsung can channel the power of Guilty.
I know, I know, Samsung is no Prime, but I still think that the probability of this happening is <30%
On March 23 2015 22:17 Elentos wrote: So now KT has lost against SKT, JAGW and CJ. They have to win all other matches to have a shot at the round 2 playoffs, and they have to do well throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at the final playoffs. It's about time to start winning, guys.
Take heart, my fellow KT fan. Those 3 were literally the hardest, and if we make it 4-3 isn't a disaster. I agree we need to step-up in other rounds though.
On March 23 2015 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:15 elwoodng wrote:
On March 23 2015 22:09 BLinD-RawR wrote: [quote] Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Like wise for MVP. Even giving MVP a prime win, that's a potential 3-4 for both for them. Highly likely a 4-3 makes the playoffs this round. If we make it there, that's potential more points for us. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but let's have faith. there was no way to expect that maru would come out.
I respectfully disagree. KT's coach should have definitely account Maru for ace. I know Maru wasn't on the lineup and Jin Air does rotate their ace frequently, but it would be naive to not account for Maru.
on the other hand it would have been a bit too obvious for jin air to assume that zest was gonna come out.
Yea Jin Air probably expected Zest. Much safer to kill him with a Terran.
If KT goes 4-3 and more than 3 teams are ahead of them, that's a disaster to me. I can accept SKT, JAGW and CJ, but MVP and or Samsung? They shouldn't do better than KT, look at the rosters. Granted, Zest and Flash have stopped looking like complete trainwrecks, but still, they can do better than that.
Look at it this way, Samsung has yet to play SKT, CJ and us. Likewise for MVP. Even giving MVP a free win against Prime, that's 3-4 for them. 4-3 usually makes the playoffs for a round. If we make it there, that's more potential points for us. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but let us keep faith.
Sure, it's all possible. But even if KT wins all games from now, all Samsung has to do is win against CJ or SKT and make the other series go to ace. That's why I really hope the boys bring their A-game next week. And Stats maybe some more weird strats. Whatever it takes to win.
Samsung winning against CJ or SKT kekekekeke
You laugh about it, but all it takes is one player losing to Dear (which is almost a given for most players they could send against him, tbh), one player slipping up (i.e. someone getting sniped by Bravo) and an unlucky ace match. Also, Samsung can channel the power of Guilty.
I know, I know, Samsung is no Prime, but I still think that the probability of this happening is <30%
It's unlikely, sure. Out of their last 3 opponents, unfortunately KT is the most likely to lose against them. But it's not over yet. I believe in KT <.<
On March 23 2015 21:51 TheDwf wrote: Lol… How many more ace losses Zest has to suffer so the KT coach stops sending him every. single. god. damn. time?
Coach lee would have never done this, bring back coach lee.
Remember the times in BW KT kept losing in ace because KT was being stupid and kept sending out Flash? It's totally Coach Lee
heh, you got me there, but at the very least he started fielding stats more after that.
On March 24 2015 02:05 Alucen-Will- wrote: As a Kespa team, why does Samsung not invest more money into better players? Surely they have money to throw around
Well, apart from Rain, SK and PartinG who decided not to play in korean teams, there aren't many players to throw money at.
On March 24 2015 02:05 Alucen-Will- wrote: As a Kespa team, why does Samsung not invest more money into better players? Surely they have money to throw around
Well, apart from Rain, SK and PartinG who decided not to play in korean teams, there aren't many players to throw money at.
They picked up Dear before the season who is now getting better and better, and they got sweet jackets. So if any Korean in a foreign team wants to go back to KeSPA, Samsung's got some great arguments.
On March 24 2015 02:05 Alucen-Will- wrote: As a Kespa team, why does Samsung not invest more money into better players? Surely they have money to throw around
Dear and Solar are in theory top players, like potentially among the best of their respective races. Reality, BravO and, in theory, Stork, all have the potential to be strong PL players, and the remaining of the team (Armani, Shine, ...) is strong. There's nothing wrong with Samsung's lineup in itself (it's probably better than last year's CJ, for example). And they had the mighty RorO too.
On March 24 2015 02:05 Alucen-Will- wrote: As a Kespa team, why does Samsung not invest more money into better players? Surely they have money to throw around
Dear and Solar are in theory top players, like potentially among the best of their respective races. Reality, BravO and, in theory, Stork, all have the potential to be strong PL players, and the remaining of the team (Armani, Shine, ...) is strong. There's nothing wrong with Samsung's lineup in itself (it's probably better than last year's CJ, for example). And they had the mighty RorO too.
You forgot to mention based Guilty and their sweet jackets.
[17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Coach gave Life ''celebration'' and Life said he only ''drink drink'' and yet that new stubborn coach of KT prefered to field Life over TY. Unbelievable stuff happening today. Even worse, he send Zest AGAIN for the ace match and not Stats who is the best player of KT atm. Maybe he thinks proleague is a popularity contest
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
Send out the zerg slayer Zest vs Rogue, send out TY vs Trap -> Profit.
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
Send out the zerg slayer Zest vs Rogue, send out TY vs Trap -> Profit.
And then TY loses to some sort of weird Protoss BS and nothing's changed.
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
Send out the zerg slayer Zest vs Rogue, send out TY vs Trap -> Profit.
And then TY loses to some sort of weird Protoss BS and nothing's changed.
or he wins and KT wins 3-1 lol, still way higher chances than a deadly tired Life
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
Send out the zerg slayer Zest vs Rogue, send out TY vs Trap -> Profit.
And then TY loses to some sort of weird Protoss BS and nothing's changed.
or he wins and KT wins 3-1 lol, still way higher chances than a deadly tired Life
Or Zest beats Maru and this isn't even worth talking about.
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
Send out the zerg slayer Zest vs Rogue, send out TY vs Trap -> Profit.
And then TY loses to some sort of weird Protoss BS and nothing's changed.
or he wins and KT wins 3-1 lol, still way higher chances than a deadly tired Life
Or Zest beats Maru and this isn't even worth talking about.
The gameplan can't be to win every ace. It has to be to win 3 out of 4 games
On March 24 2015 02:56 Zealously wrote: [17:21:01] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: What happen in proleague today? [17:25:55] 이승현: tired [17:28:28] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: party after gsl? [17:29:33] 이승현: no [17:29:44] 이승현: just drink ^^ [17:31:18] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: hung over? :D [17:32:24] 이승현: coach give me [17:33:09] 이승현: celebration [17:33:13] 이승현: 영호 very drink! [17:35:00] Victor "Zealously" Lloyd: next week win? you need to be ace! [17:35:29] 이승현: think [17:35:34] 이승현: practice zvz ~.~
Now it makes even less sense that KT fielded Life lol
But Rogue on that map was a pretty obvious choice - who do you send out against that? Flash wanted to play a Protoss on Deadwing (although he kinda butchered that with his tremendibad SCV pull), Zest was on the optimal map for him. Do you want TY against Rogue or TY against Cure? All around bad. Life, even hungover and tired, still has a better shot against Rogue than TY against any of the guys JAGW fielded .
Send out the zerg slayer Zest vs Rogue, send out TY vs Trap -> Profit.
And then TY loses to some sort of weird Protoss BS and nothing's changed.
or he wins and KT wins 3-1 lol, still way higher chances than a deadly tired Life
Or Zest beats Maru and this isn't even worth talking about.
The gameplan can't be to win every ace. It has to be to win 3 out of 4 games
Well I bet the coach wasn't counting on Life and Flash to lose.
On March 24 2015 04:03 Ctesias wrote: Geez, Zest, stop failing in ace matches. I really want to see Stats in the next ace match. Life works too, when he's done post-finals partying.
Shame KT lost this match after Stats' sweet build.
Yes, frankly after seeing that build, JAGW should have just forfeited the match. "1 base proxy colossus WITH RANGE? We can't beat that!"
I bet Cure is the only JAGW player this works against, he's the most standard player they have.
On March 24 2015 04:03 Ctesias wrote: Geez, Zest, stop failing in ace matches. I really want to see Stats in the next ace match. Life works too, when he's done post-finals partying.
Shame KT lost this match after Stats' sweet build.
Yes, frankly after seeing that build, JAGW should have just forfeited the match. "1 base proxy colossus WITH RANGE? We can't beat that!"
I bet Cure is the only JAGW player this works against, he's the most standard player they have.
Yeah, Stats out-bullshited JAGW like I didn't thought it was possible.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
Classic indeed. Leaning back in my chair, drinking a glass of whiskey, and enjoying these comments. My drink is oddly salty for some reason, though.
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
Classic indeed. Leaning back in my chair, drinking a glass of whiskey, and enjoying these comments. My drink is oddly salty for some reason, though.
Oh look who's back. How long until you get yourself banned again?
I think KT is just really unlucky - with that roster they are definitely in the top 3 of Proleague, they just don't seem to have the consistency of SKT or Jin Air - Flash slumping, Zest slumping in ace matches, and while their t2 players are strong, they're just not quite as strong as the t2 players of those other teams, who are really stepping up (Dark and Dream (who have already graduated into t1 players) and for Jin Air: Cure, Rogue, and Trap (who is on his way to t1 it looks like))
If at least 2 or 3 out of the following happen:
Flash recovers his usual form Zest recovers his usual form TY somehow gets back to his 2014 ability Life doesn't catch the post-GSL championship slump Stats graduates to highest tier
I would expect to see KT at the top of the rankings of the next 2 rounds. Only question is if they will make final playoffs - and they have fighting odds against Samsung due to Samsung's abysmal r1, and no other team (ST-Y, MVP, Prime) is consistant enough to beat out KT in the long run.
On March 23 2015 21:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Bring me those points Zest!
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote: Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
On March 23 2015 23:38 Shellshock wrote:
On March 23 2015 23:03 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:46 Grizvok wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
Classic indeed. Leaning back in my chair, drinking a glass of whiskey, and enjoying these comments. My drink is oddly salty for some reason, though.
Oh look who's back. How long until you get yourself banned again?
Probably not very long, with moderators who are allowed to enforce rules or ignore them at their whim. It's not how any other professional website that I know of operates, for good reason, but hey, it's their site, and they get to make up whatever rules they wish.
On March 24 2015 03:28 lastride wrote: Coach gave Life ''celebration'' and Life said he only ''drink drink'' and yet that new stubborn coach of KT prefered to field Life over TY. Unbelievable stuff happening today. Even worse, he send Zest AGAIN for the ace match and not Stats who is the best player of KT atm. Maybe he thinks proleague is a popularity contest
AFAIK the line up was decided days before the gsl finals actually happened so the coach couldn't know if life won or lost his match. There's a reason why recent champions / finalist often lose their team league game right after. Either they celebrate or got discouraged by loss, either way they would be tired and lack prep time.
On March 24 2015 03:28 lastride wrote: Coach gave Life ''celebration'' and Life said he only ''drink drink'' and yet that new stubborn coach of KT prefered to field Life over TY. Unbelievable stuff happening today. Even worse, he send Zest AGAIN for the ace match and not Stats who is the best player of KT atm. Maybe he thinks proleague is a popularity contest
AFAIK the line up was decided days before the gsl finals actually happened so the coach couldn't know if life won or lost his match. There's a reason why recent champions / finalist often lose their team league game right after. Either they celebrate or got discouraged by loss, either way they would be tired and lack prep time.
Well JinAir didn't have a problem with Maru out lol. I can't blame them that badly, I bet KT wasn't expecting Maru to come out so Zest was the best option there. If they knew that Maru would come they obviously wouldn't have sent Zest who is weakest in PvT.
On March 24 2015 06:33 Soularion wrote: #fuckyeahmaru
Bad year to be a Zest fan.
He just won the second biggest global tournament of the year... He can suck all year now and still have had a good year 2015...
A good year is relative for a player like Zest. When you hit the peak that he did last year everyone expects more of you and you look 10x worse if you don't continue to keep playing that well. So while he has't been doing bad(he did just win IEM), people expect more of him because he has the ability to be so dominant.
On March 23 2015 21:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Bring me those points Zest!
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote: Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
On March 23 2015 23:38 Shellshock wrote:
On March 23 2015 23:03 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:46 Grizvok wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
Classic indeed. Leaning back in my chair, drinking a glass of whiskey, and enjoying these comments. My drink is oddly salty for some reason, though.
Oh look who's back. How long until you get yourself banned again?
Probably not very long, with moderators who are allowed to enforce rules or ignore them at their whim. It's not how any other professional website that I know of operates, for good reason, but hey, it's their site, and they get to make up whatever rules they wish.
On March 23 2015 21:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Bring me those points Zest!
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote: Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
On March 23 2015 23:38 Shellshock wrote:
On March 23 2015 23:03 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:46 Grizvok wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote: [quote]
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
Classic indeed. Leaning back in my chair, drinking a glass of whiskey, and enjoying these comments. My drink is oddly salty for some reason, though.
Oh look who's back. How long until you get yourself banned again?
Probably not very long, with moderators who are allowed to enforce rules or ignore them at their whim. It's not how any other professional website that I know of operates, for good reason, but hey, it's their site, and they get to make up whatever rules they wish.
On March 23 2015 21:17 DarkLordOlli wrote: Bring me those points Zest!
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote: Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
On March 23 2015 23:38 Shellshock wrote:
On March 23 2015 23:03 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:46 Grizvok wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:43 REyeM wrote:
On March 23 2015 21:42 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically: one mine ended the game.
Basically Maru is better in this matchup
Not this game he wasn't.
Sure he was. What you think ended the game didn't "end the game."
What ended the game is Zest not splitting his army correctly to deal with the first big drop into the natural allowing an almost completed third to get canceled.
The misreads.
That was always going to get cancelled. The first mine hit basically guarantees it. I've seen and played that exact game a million times.
And sorry, but dropping two mines on an immortal, overcharge, the MSC, a stalker and a zealot, mines getting targetted but still killing 6 probes and the MSC is NOT what I call being the better player.
He could have none of those those things and he still shouldn't lose more than 1 probe (or any if he has detection) to a wm. Zest just fucked up.
no man Zest just completely outplayed Maru when he didnt move any of his probes away and didn't kill the mine fast enough. Classic DLO whining about protoss being at a disadvantage
Classic indeed. Leaning back in my chair, drinking a glass of whiskey, and enjoying these comments. My drink is oddly salty for some reason, though.
Oh look who's back. How long until you get yourself banned again?
Probably not very long, with moderators who are allowed to enforce rules or ignore them at their whim. It's not how any other professional website that I know of operates, for good reason, but hey, it's their site, and they get to make up whatever rules they wish.
User was banned for this post.
That post was dumber than a sack of wet mice, considering that the ban was certain.
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