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On February 25 2015 19:05 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:03 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 18:59 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 18:58 Heartland wrote:
Fun game, a lot more so than the usual foreigner sh turtle fests. So it's fun because Koreans are far behind in the optimal use of Hosts? Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. My point is actually less that Korean Zergs are good at SH and more that Korean Protoss play better against it, they are more mobile, they're more active, they've got better timings which lessens the turtle-ness of the SH. It's a lot like BL/Infestor which was much the same thing. I think there is a reason why foreign Zergs still lose vs Korean Protoss no matter if they try to SH turtle or not. you say that, and then you see herO lose 2 series vs Snute and win only 1, you see sOs get rekt and it not even being close, etc
So? I'm not saying they never lose. I'm saying there is a reason why SH turtlefests are less prevalent in Korean PvZ. Of course it happens and of course Koreans lose vs some foreigners who SH. Maybe they even loss more vs that than other builds. That's not my point.
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Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
On February 25 2015 19:00 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 18:59 Pandemona wrote:On February 25 2015 18:56 GumBa wrote:On February 25 2015 18:52 Pandemona wrote:On February 25 2015 18:51 GumBa wrote:
I might even be able to catch some Dream games today yaaay You got internet yet you slacking man. No TT but I'm at my mums later and she has the sweet nectar of life I call wifi Wow, sort it out sir! Such a slacker. My lazy irish heritage is dominating my effecient german one TT
Yeah i think so! FIX IT!
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haha warp prism flying over 5 hydras, doesnt even die
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On February 25 2015 19:07 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:07 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:05 GumBa wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 18:59 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 18:58 Heartland wrote:
Fun game, a lot more so than the usual foreigner sh turtle fests. So it's fun because Koreans are far behind in the optimal use of Hosts? Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. Soulkey is pretty good with em Soulkey invented SH David Kim invented Swarmhosts.
Reynad invented Swarmhossts.
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On February 25 2015 19:07 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:07 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:05 GumBa wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 18:59 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 18:58 Heartland wrote:
Fun game, a lot more so than the usual foreigner sh turtle fests. So it's fun because Koreans are far behind in the optimal use of Hosts? Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. Soulkey is pretty good with em Soulkey invented SH David Kim invented Swarmhosts.
Nah, he just "balanced" them 
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On February 25 2015 19:06 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:04 Ej_ wrote: Rain vs  Rogue on Foxtrot Labs Rain bottom left, Rogue top right gateway FE vs 15hatch Rain double gas again, Rogue pool and 3rd base before gas Rain robo+WG Rogue takes 2 gases Rain fending off scouting overlords 6min mark: Rain prism, +2 gates, lings see the gates in wall, but sentry denies runby Rogue 3 spores Rain double stargate (!) Rain does WP drop on the highground over the 3rd base, drones run away 8min mark: Rain 3rd base, void ray production Rogue up to 6 gases, hydra den Rogue denies the 3rd with a lot of speedlings
10 min:
hydra range, +1 range
Rain restarts 3rd, collossi on the way
Rogue: 4th base, hydra speed, roach speed, infestation pit, +1 carapace
11:30
Rain +2, blink, more gateways being made
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On February 25 2015 19:07 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:05 Alchemik wrote:On February 25 2015 19:03 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 18:59 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 18:58 Heartland wrote:
Fun game, a lot more so than the usual foreigner sh turtle fests. So it's fun because Koreans are far behind in the optimal use of Hosts? Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. My point is actually less that Korean Zergs are good at SH and more that Korean Protoss play better against it, they are more mobile, they're more active, they've got better timings which lessens the turtle-ness of the SH. It's a lot like BL/Infestor which was much the same thing. I think there is a reason why foreign Zergs still lose vs Korean Protoss no matter if they try to SH turtle or not. you say that, and then you see herO lose 2 series vs Snute and win only 1, you see sOs get rekt and it not even being close, etc So? I'm not saying they never lose. I'm saying there is a reason why SH turtlefests are less prevalent in Korean PvZ. Of course it happens and of course Koreans lose vs some foreigners who SH. Maybe they even loss more vs that than other builds. That's not my point.
Aren't those 2 snute series like the only time ever that an eu zerg dominated a kr toss? All other times didn't the toss just stomp em? And didn't herO get revenge an iem later vs Snute?
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On February 25 2015 19:08 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:06 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:04 Ej_ wrote:Rain vs Rogue on Foxtrot Labs Rain bottom left, Rogue top right gateway FE vs 15hatch Rain double gas again, Rogue pool and 3rd base before gas Rain robo+WG Rogue takes 2 gases Rain fending off scouting overlords 6min mark: Rain prism, +2 gates, lings see the gates in wall, but sentry denies runby Rogue 3 spores Rain double stargate (!) Rain does WP drop on the highground over the 3rd base, drones run away 8min mark: Rain 3rd base, void ray production Rogue up to 6 gases, hydra den Rogue denies the 3rd with a lot of speedlings 10 min: hydra range, +1 range Rain restarts 3rd, collossi on the way Rogue: 4th base, hydra speed, roach speed, infestation pit, +1 carapace 11:30 Rain +2, blink, more gateways being made
12:30:
hive, templar archives
prism into the main, hydra run back from 4th
zealot drop does nothing vs Rogue's army positioned
Rogue counter-attacks with roach/hydra/ling
storm, charge, immortals on the way
Rogue researching 2/2 for roach/hydra
180 vs 140
Rain forcefields but Rogue has concave on 3rd
170 vs 110
Rain actually survives, 3rd base has 3 HP left
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
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That was a good scream by Tasteless for all probes being saved.
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On February 25 2015 19:10 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:07 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:05 Alchemik wrote:On February 25 2015 19:03 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 18:59 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 18:58 Heartland wrote:
Fun game, a lot more so than the usual foreigner sh turtle fests. So it's fun because Koreans are far behind in the optimal use of Hosts? Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. My point is actually less that Korean Zergs are good at SH and more that Korean Protoss play better against it, they are more mobile, they're more active, they've got better timings which lessens the turtle-ness of the SH. It's a lot like BL/Infestor which was much the same thing. I think there is a reason why foreign Zergs still lose vs Korean Protoss no matter if they try to SH turtle or not. you say that, and then you see herO lose 2 series vs Snute and win only 1, you see sOs get rekt and it not even being close, etc So? I'm not saying they never lose. I'm saying there is a reason why SH turtlefests are less prevalent in Korean PvZ. Of course it happens and of course Koreans lose vs some foreigners who SH. Maybe they even loss more vs that than other builds. That's not my point. Aren't those 2 snute series like the only time ever that an eu zerg dominated a kr toss? All other times didn't the toss just stomp em? And didn't herO get revenge an iem later vs Snute?
he did get the "revenge" by winning 3-2, so it's not like it proves anything
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On February 25 2015 19:11 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:08 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:06 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:04 Ej_ wrote:Rain vs Rogue on Foxtrot Labs Rain bottom left, Rogue top right gateway FE vs 15hatch Rain double gas again, Rogue pool and 3rd base before gas Rain robo+WG Rogue takes 2 gases Rain fending off scouting overlords 6min mark: Rain prism, +2 gates, lings see the gates in wall, but sentry denies runby Rogue 3 spores Rain double stargate (!) Rain does WP drop on the highground over the 3rd base, drones run away 8min mark: Rain 3rd base, void ray production Rogue up to 6 gases, hydra den Rogue denies the 3rd with a lot of speedlings 10 min: hydra range, +1 range Rain restarts 3rd, collossi on the way Rogue: 4th base, hydra speed, roach speed, infestation pit, +1 carapace 11:30 Rain +2, blink, more gateways being made 12:30: hive, templar archives prism into the main, hydra run back from 4th zealot drop does nothing vs Rogue's army positioned Rogue counter-attacks with roach/hydra/ling storm, charge, immortals on the way Rogue researching 2/2 for roach/hydra 180 vs 140 Rain forcefields but Rogue has concave on 3rd 170 vs 110 Rain actually survives, 3rd base has 3 HP left
16 min (maybe? low quality)
Rain takes 4th, roaches killign rocks on Rain's nat
roaches attack army on 3rd!
concave on collossi, collossi melt all but 2!
3rd nexus is dead!
Rain's zealot runby doesn't even kill the roach warren lol
18 min:
blink done, +3 done
197 Rogue vs 138 Rain
roach/hydra gets into nat/main
another squad of roach/hydra snipes 4th
163 vs 125
Rogue finished +3
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
Roach Hydra makes for much more entertaining PvZ
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On February 25 2015 19:13 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:10 GumBa wrote:On February 25 2015 19:07 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:05 Alchemik wrote:On February 25 2015 19:03 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 18:59 Circumstance wrote:
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So it's fun because Koreans are far behind in the optimal use of Hosts? Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. My point is actually less that Korean Zergs are good at SH and more that Korean Protoss play better against it, they are more mobile, they're more active, they've got better timings which lessens the turtle-ness of the SH. It's a lot like BL/Infestor which was much the same thing. I think there is a reason why foreign Zergs still lose vs Korean Protoss no matter if they try to SH turtle or not. you say that, and then you see herO lose 2 series vs Snute and win only 1, you see sOs get rekt and it not even being close, etc So? I'm not saying they never lose. I'm saying there is a reason why SH turtlefests are less prevalent in Korean PvZ. Of course it happens and of course Koreans lose vs some foreigners who SH. Maybe they even loss more vs that than other builds. That's not my point. Aren't those 2 snute series like the only time ever that an eu zerg dominated a kr toss? All other times didn't the toss just stomp em? And didn't herO get revenge an iem later vs Snute? he did get the "revenge" by winning 3-2, so it's not like it proves anything
A win is a win. I could just say Snute "only" won one series vs herO that doesn't prove anything
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On February 25 2015 19:15 Pandemona wrote:
Roach Hydra makes for much more entertaining PvZ
I don't think anyone actually likes roach hydra
On February 25 2015 19:16 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:13 Alchemik wrote:On February 25 2015 19:10 GumBa wrote:On February 25 2015 19:07 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:05 Alchemik wrote:On February 25 2015 19:03 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:02 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:01 Heartland wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Circumstance wrote:On February 25 2015 19:00 Heartland wrote:
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Or maybe it's not the optimal use *gasp* Considering how decisively Rogue just lost, I'd say it's not. Yes, one game = proof. Tell me one Korean who uses Swarm Hosts better than the EU Zergs. My point is actually less that Korean Zergs are good at SH and more that Korean Protoss play better against it, they are more mobile, they're more active, they've got better timings which lessens the turtle-ness of the SH. It's a lot like BL/Infestor which was much the same thing. I think there is a reason why foreign Zergs still lose vs Korean Protoss no matter if they try to SH turtle or not. you say that, and then you see herO lose 2 series vs Snute and win only 1, you see sOs get rekt and it not even being close, etc So? I'm not saying they never lose. I'm saying there is a reason why SH turtlefests are less prevalent in Korean PvZ. Of course it happens and of course Koreans lose vs some foreigners who SH. Maybe they even loss more vs that than other builds. That's not my point. Aren't those 2 snute series like the only time ever that an eu zerg dominated a kr toss? All other times didn't the toss just stomp em? And didn't herO get revenge an iem later vs Snute? he did get the "revenge" by winning 3-2, so it's not like it proves anything A win is a win. I could just say Snute "only" won one series vs herO that doesn't prove anything
two*
what it proves is that Snute's style is good enough to compete with someone who's as good as herO vs it, not that Snute is better than herO or anything
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On February 25 2015 19:14 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 19:11 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:08 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:06 Ej_ wrote:On February 25 2015 19:04 Ej_ wrote:Rain vs Rogue on Foxtrot Labs Rain bottom left, Rogue top right gateway FE vs 15hatch Rain double gas again, Rogue pool and 3rd base before gas Rain robo+WG Rogue takes 2 gases Rain fending off scouting overlords 6min mark: Rain prism, +2 gates, lings see the gates in wall, but sentry denies runby Rogue 3 spores Rain double stargate (!) Rain does WP drop on the highground over the 3rd base, drones run away 8min mark: Rain 3rd base, void ray production Rogue up to 6 gases, hydra den Rogue denies the 3rd with a lot of speedlings 10 min: hydra range, +1 range Rain restarts 3rd, collossi on the way Rogue: 4th base, hydra speed, roach speed, infestation pit, +1 carapace 11:30 Rain +2, blink, more gateways being made 12:30: hive, templar archives prism into the main, hydra run back from 4th zealot drop does nothing vs Rogue's army positioned Rogue counter-attacks with roach/hydra/ling storm, charge, immortals on the way Rogue researching 2/2 for roach/hydra 180 vs 140 Rain forcefields but Rogue has concave on 3rd 170 vs 110 Rain actually survives, 3rd base has 3 HP left 16 min (maybe? low quality)Rain takes 4th, roaches killign rocks on Rain's nat roaches attack army on 3rd! concave on collossi, collossi melt all but 2! 3rd nexus is dead! Rain's zealot runby doesn't even kill the roach warren lol 18 min: blink done, +3 done 197 Rogue vs 138 Rain roach/hydra gets into nat/main another squad of roach/hydra snipes 4th 163 vs 125 Rogue finished +3
lol
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