(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
HYPUUU!!! I have no WCS Predictor stats for this I guess? well here's the winning chances
GSL Code S Season 1 Winning Chances PartinG has a 13.54% chance to win ----going from 74.8% to 99.76% if they get 1st, or 91.7% if they get 2nd. Life has a 12.21% chance to win ----going from 97.92% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.95% if they get 2nd. herO has a 10.53% chance to win ----going from 91.21% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.93% if they get 2nd. Rain has a 10.27% chance to win ----going from 70.81% to 99.9% if they get 1st, or 91.96% if they get 2nd. INnoVation has a 8.88% chance to win ----going from 56.18% to 96.65% if they get 1st, or 78.54% if they get 2nd. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
Maru has a 7.82% chance to win ----going from 84.71% to 99.98% if they get 1st, or 97.26% if they get 2nd. TY has a 5.63% chance to win ----going from 66.58% to 99.16% if they get 1st, or 88.16% if they get 2nd. Solar has a 4.81% chance to win ----going from 30.82% to 86.78% if they get 1st, or 56.18% if they get 2nd. Dark has a 4.74% chance to win ----going from 57.51% to 97.94% if they get 1st, or 82.23% if they get 2nd. Rogue has a 4.52% chance to win ----going from 73.79% to 99.8% if they get 1st, or 93.43% if they get 2nd. MMA has a 3.44% chance to win ----going from 21.86% to 82.76% if they get 1st, or 47.16% if they get 2nd. YoDa has a 3.31% chance to win ----going from 21.01% to 82.15% if they get 1st, or 46.29% if they get 2nd. Soulkey has a 2.94% chance to win ----going from 36.92% to 99.01% if they get 1st, or 75.4% if they get 2nd. Terminator has a 2.9% chance to win ----going from 27.85% to 97.35% if they get 1st, or 64.8% if they get 2nd. Dream has a 2.63% chance to win ----going from 37.3% to 95.72% if they get 1st, or 69.51% if they get 2nd. MC has a 1.83% chance to win ----going from 8.35% to 70.03% if they get 1st, or 27.5% if they get 2nd.
On February 03 2015 06:02 The_Templar wrote: Here's my cheat sheet for who's likely to win GSL/NSSL from a few weeks ago, bolded names are more likely.
On February 03 2015 06:02 The_Templar wrote: Here's my cheat sheet for who's likely to win GSL/NSSL from a few weeks ago, bolded names are more likely.
On February 03 2015 06:02 The_Templar wrote: Here's my cheat sheet for who's likely to win GSL/NSSL from a few weeks ago, bolded names are more likely.
dates for ro8 groups are wrong in Liquipedia (as mentioned in it) so I really hope the grandfinal isnt at 13-16th march as supposed to be (IEM $120k tournament). I hope for 28th march because SSL grandfinal is at 21th.
On February 04 2015 01:52 GumBa wrote: Hope for some sick groups!
look at these players, ofc there will be sick groups!
Who do you guys think will be the first pick? I think either Terminator or MC tbh
MC's the winner of this Code S season, so whoever picks him makes a great mistake. Btw your sig will stay like that for 1 year iirc? That's rough man ):
On February 04 2015 01:52 GumBa wrote: Hope for some sick groups!
look at these players, ofc there will be sick groups!
Who do you guys think will be the first pick? I think either Terminator or MC tbh
MC's the winner of this Code S season, so whoever picks him makes a great mistake. Btw your sig will stay like that for 1 year iirc? That's rough man ):
If MC wins this season of Code S i will switch to passionstone -.- Well, he (dodgin) can do with it whatever he wants for one year, so i guess there will be changes ^^
How are these groups done, do we know? Is it that the top 4 seeds select a player and then it goes down the chain? GSL has done it that way for a while right?
What I'm really asking is whether Innovation gets to choose first
On February 04 2015 04:13 sitromit wrote: When did Dark become the hipster favorite? I haven't been following the scene too closely lately. Sounds like he's the new Savage.
He basically is. Though, I do think Dark is better than Rogue ever was.
Dark went from underrated consistent code S Zerg that got overshadowed by soO and Soulkey , to being just slightly overrated at the end of 2014 and beginning of 2015. Brenden was the first to hype him and then Artosis joined in to a greater extent (not a good sign).
Seems incredibly solid in ZvT and very good in ZvP. His ZvZ is still a bit of a mystery, but probably good even with a recent loss in SPL.
On February 04 2015 04:13 sitromit wrote: When did Dark become the hipster favorite? I haven't been following the scene too closely lately. Sounds like he's the new Savage.
On February 04 2015 04:13 sitromit wrote: When did Dark become the hipster favorite? I haven't been following the scene too closely lately. Sounds like he's the new Savage.
He basically is. Though, I do think Dark is better than Rogue ever was.
Dark went from underrated consistent code S Zerg that got overshadowed by soO and Soulkey , to being just slightly overrated at the end of 2014 and beginning of 2015. Brenden was the first to hype him and then Artosis joined in to a greater extent (not a good sign).
Seems incredibly solid in ZvT and very good in ZvP. His ZvZ is still a bit of a mystery, but probably good even with a recent loss in SPL.
On February 04 2015 04:13 sitromit wrote: When did Dark become the hipster favorite? I haven't been following the scene too closely lately. Sounds like he's the new Savage.
He basically is. Though, I do think Dark is better than Rogue ever was.
Euh, i wouldn't be comfortable saying which of them is better tbh. I think they are pretty close
On February 04 2015 06:34 MrMotionPicture wrote: Terminator, Yoda, TY, Dream are probably the only players I cannot see in the finals. This tournament is stacked.
On February 04 2015 06:34 MrMotionPicture wrote: Terminator, Yoda, TY, Dream are probably the only players I cannot see in the finals. This tournament is stacked.
Add MC, Rogue, MMA
Pff, Rogue can totally do it TY should be able to do it imo. But oh well, we will see it soon enough haha
On February 04 2015 04:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 04 2015 04:13 sitromit wrote: When did Dark become the hipster favorite? I haven't been following the scene too closely lately. Sounds like he's the new Savage.
He basically is. Though, I do think Dark is better than Rogue ever was.
Euh, i wouldn't be comfortable saying which of them is better tbh. I think they are pretty close
I think it is AT LEAST safe to say that none of them are/were as good as Life, Soulkey or soO, (Even TRUE was better than them (once) )
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
Real contenders I think are: Dark, Life, Innovation and Maru (yeah, no protoss)
Rain and herO should also be contenders for the title, also Rain and soulkey should also technicially be at tier 1
yeah, I wasn't sure if i should tune down hero and parting or tune up SK and Rain. Dark is def tier 1 I think.. he just doesn't play overseas but everyone is afraid of him and I hear he is top on KR ladder.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
more like drg....which leads to terminator beating MC in finals 4-1 bring Maru and sOs into the booth not to say you are one of us, but to say, we are good, and now you kinda are as well
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Screw you! Seed gave us one of the coolest series ever against Symbol. He will never be forgotten T_T
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Screw you! Seed gave us one of the coolest series ever against Symbol. He will never be forgotten T_T
irrelevant, that tournament was the Nightmare of Busan...its more cancerous than GSLseasonsniper
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I almost completely agree but would swap Solar and Rogue.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I almost completely agree but would swap Solar and Rogue.
I agree completely but MC should be in his own tier. Boss-Tier
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
uh marineking?
Maru also went to ro4 the season after his OSL win.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
pssh, had DRG made it to Busan Life would never have become relevant
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
pssh, had DRG made it to Busan Life would never have become relevant
is it weird to think that DRG's peak was 3 years ago?
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
Because Classic is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hate and underate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a dutiful cannonrusher. A Fan favourite destroyer. A Chin Toss.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
Because Classic is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hate and underate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a dutiful cannonrusher. A Fan favourite destroyer. A Chin Toss.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
pssh, had DRG made it to Busan Life would never have become relevant
is it weird to think that DRG's peak was 3 years ago?
it was, which is what im talking about, realize how crushed he was failing to make it to Busan in both GSTL and GSL, had he made it, he prob would have gone on a ridiculous reign for at least another few months, maybe actually winning that iron squid or making it to blizz cup finals for example.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
Because Classic is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hate and underate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a dutiful cannonrusher. A Fan favourite destroyer. A Chin Toss.
....he is better than Oz, I will without a doubt give you that, I don't know how much else I can give you besides that
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
Because Classic is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hate and underate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a dutiful cannonrusher. A Fan favourite destroyer. A Chin Toss.
....he is better than Oz, I will without a doubt give you that, I don't know how much else I can give you besides that
Well he'd wreck San (and DRG) at any time of the day. That's a good start already.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
Because Classic is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hate and underate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a dutiful cannonrusher. A Fan favourite destroyer. A Chin Toss.
....he is better than Oz, I will without a doubt give you that, I don't know how much else I can give you besides that
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
How are you supposed to prove that your one of your race's top player if you discard some results as "meaningless"? According to your personal appreciation of their play? >.>
Because Classic is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hate and underate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a dutiful cannonrusher. A Fan favourite destroyer. A Chin Toss.
....he is better than Oz, I will without a doubt give you that, I don't know how much else I can give you besides that
Well he'd wreck San (and DRG) at any time of the day. That's a good start already.
On February 03 2015 05:38 The_Templar wrote: I hope the selections will be glorious.
And we get an INnoVation/Life/Dark/PartinG group.
My..god...now that is a scary group
Switch PartinG with herO or Rain, they are better than PartinG
Or just kick out the Protoss players altogether and add Maru in the 4th slot.
Just as badass, but more fun :x
Thats actually better, makes it easier for the protosses (Rain, herO, PartinG) to win since two of INnoVation, Maru, Life or Dark (3 god tier, one demi-god tier) will be knocked out
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
Here is my 1-16th ratings! 1) Innovation! 2) Life 3) Maru 4) Dark 5) PartinG 6) herO 7) Rogue 8) Soulkey 9) Rain 10) Yoda 11) MMA 12) Yoda 13) Solar 14) MC 15) TY 16) Terminator
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
Consistency factored in heavily to my rank with more weight given to recent results.
PartinG has essentially been a top-tier protoss since early 2012. He's a Nestea Award recipient and made ro16+ all of last year. He has a comparable win rate to the protoss in his tier. I might even consider him more solid overall than herO, who's only ever made 1 code S ro8 and even fell out of the gsl in s3 last year. For a player of herO's caliber, he seems to have a glaring weakness in PvP. PartinG does not have any obvious flaws imo. Not to mention, he has the best micro of any protoss. Unlike Rain, he also made both Korean leagues for 2015. All together I think he's earned his keep.
Soulkey is just off a semi-final at IEM (beat Rain along the way). Despite what people say, I thought he had a good 2014 as well. Didn't win anything, but he only played in Korea where he was very consistent. He's extremely tenacious as well which is an important quality in this type of tournament.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
uh marineking?
Lots of people forgetting the one and only Optimus Prime: Polt ! While he didn't win Code S, he did win the Super Tournament, which counts as a Code S season. And he won it while being a PRIME member.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
Consistency factored in heavily to my rank with more weight given to recent results.
PartinG has essentially been a top-tier protoss since early 2012. He's a Nestea Award recipient and made ro16+ all of last year. He has a comparable win rate to the protoss in his tier. I might even consider him more solid overall than herO, who's only ever made 1 code S ro8 and even fell out of the gsl in s3 last year. For a player of herO's caliber, he seems to have a glaring weakness in PvP. PartinG does not have any obvious flaws imo. Not to mention, he has the best micro of any protoss. Unlike Rain, he also made both Korean leagues for 2015. All together I think he's earned his keep.
Soulkey is just off a semi-final at IEM (beat Rain along the way). Despite what people say, I thought he had a good 2014 as well. Didn't win anything, but he only played in Korea where he was very consistent. He's extremely tenacious as well which is an important quality in this type of tournament.
That makes sense. I can't wait to see how the groups pan out. Even the top tier players have matchups they might want to avoid. I think Rain is capable of beating Life, PartinG beating Maru, and herO beating Innovation.
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
uh marineking?
Lots of people forgetting the one and only Optimus Prime: Polt ! While he didn't win Code S, he did win the Super Tournament, which counts as a Code S season. And he won it while being a PRIME member.
> classic Code S. It took me a good two weeks tbh, as biggest sOs fanboy, to realise that technically he won GSL. Not Code S though, but GSL no matter what.
On February 04 2015 16:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 04 2015 15:59 dazed25 wrote:
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
Consistency factored in heavily to my rank with more weight given to recent results.
PartinG has essentially been a top-tier protoss since early 2012. He's a Nestea Award recipient and made ro16+ all of last year. He has a comparable win rate to the protoss in his tier. I might even consider him more solid overall than herO, who's only ever made 1 code S ro8 and even fell out of the gsl in s3 last year. For a player of herO's caliber, he seems to have a glaring weakness in PvP. PartinG does not have any obvious flaws imo. Not to mention, he has the best micro of any protoss. Unlike Rain, he also made both Korean leagues for 2015. All together I think he's earned his keep.
Soulkey is just off a semi-final at IEM (beat Rain along the way). Despite what people say, I thought he had a good 2014 as well. Didn't win anything, but he only played in Korea where he was very consistent. He's extremely tenacious as well which is an important quality in this type of tournament.
That makes sense. I can't wait to see how the groups pan out. Even the top tier players have matchups they might want to avoid. I think Rain is capable of beating Life, PartinG beating Maru, and herO beating Innovation.
If PartinG can avoid getting into group with more than 1 Zerg, he will be in Ro8. Having top-2 PvT and finally finding some groove in PvP again is no joke. If he randomly going to get both Dark and Solar, let's say, then I won't bet on him at all.
These are my rankings, I'll admit to being a bit of a Maru fanboy, don't really know if he really deserves a place on top but god I just love watching this guy play Starcraft II!
I've based these prediction around who I would think would be favored if they met in proleague which means I haven't taken the different BO situation in account. Yoda and Dream are both on the cusp of going up a rank but since they are mostly profficient at certain matchups I kept them as you see them.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
I much sooner see Life picking Yoda/MMA, Inno picking Dream, and Maru picking Terminator... apart.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
There are often some pretty stupid choices in these selections though. Any given player may pick MC for any particular random reason.
On February 04 2015 16:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 04 2015 15:59 dazed25 wrote:
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
Consistency factored in heavily to my rank with more weight given to recent results.
PartinG has essentially been a top-tier protoss since early 2012. He's a Nestea Award recipient and made ro16+ all of last year. He has a comparable win rate to the protoss in his tier. I might even consider him more solid overall than herO, who's only ever made 1 code S ro8 and even fell out of the gsl in s3 last year. For a player of herO's caliber, he seems to have a glaring weakness in PvP. PartinG does not have any obvious flaws imo. Not to mention, he has the best micro of any protoss. Unlike Rain, he also made both Korean leagues for 2015. All together I think he's earned his keep.
Soulkey is just off a semi-final at IEM (beat Rain along the way). Despite what people say, I thought he had a good 2014 as well. Didn't win anything, but he only played in Korea where he was very consistent. He's extremely tenacious as well which is an important quality in this type of tournament.
That makes sense. I can't wait to see how the groups pan out. Even the top tier players have matchups they might want to avoid. I think Rain is capable of beating Life, PartinG beating Maru, and herO beating Innovation.
Rain did beat Life the last 2 times they met, so he has a very high possibility to beat him again
On February 04 2015 11:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I see Dark walking the path of poor Symbol this season :/
Beats being one of those guys who isn't actually that great, but still wins GSL. Then they never return... -cough- Sniper. -cough- Classic. -cough- Seed.
Do you happen to mean the Classic that made the RO4 in Blizzcon, or perhaps the one that reached the RO4 in KeSPA cup? >.>
Yeah that's the one. Okay he's not as bad. But seriously, he's not not even top 3 of race. I wouldn't say he's even been that great. He just happened to make it pretty far in some pretty big tournaments. And WCS Finals was like, totally meaningless. Not to discredit MMA or anything, but when MMA gets 2nd place, there is something wrong... Of course, Life went on to win it, which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and TaeJa sucks because no results in GSL, we know. Because totally meaningless.
herO just tilted and Polt just randomly threw, no big deal, Classic, you're not even top-3. Oh, Classic, sorry, that you randomly killed PartinG, Maru and soO to win Code S and was tearing Proleague apart since your switch to Protoss.
And Seed was probably best Protoss in the world when he won Code S.
But okay, if Bogus-Maru-Rain-Life are going to choose first, then I'm calling something like that:
Didn't everyone think Seed would lose at every stage of his gsl run when he did it :D
Byun had no rights to lose to Seed but it's not like MC would have won that season if Byun came to finals. Honestly, probably closest Prime members ever were to winning classic Code S.
uh marineking?
Lots of people forgetting the one and only Optimus Prime: Polt ! While he didn't win Code S, he did win the Super Tournament, which counts as a Code S season. And he won it while being a PRIME member.
> classic Code S. It took me a good two weeks tbh, as biggest sOs fanboy, to realise that technically he won GSL. Not Code S though, but GSL no matter what.
On February 04 2015 16:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 04 2015 15:59 dazed25 wrote:
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
I think PartinG is in the tier below. As much as I love him he's not of the same class as the other players. Although he is capable of beating some of the higher tier players like Maru (duh). Same goes for Soulkey. Not totally convinced. I also think Rain and Maru should be switched but based on recent results I won't really fight over it.
Anyway hopefully Rain wins this season. I also want to see a Life vs Inno showdown to determine the best player in the world.
Consistency factored in heavily to my rank with more weight given to recent results.
PartinG has essentially been a top-tier protoss since early 2012. He's a Nestea Award recipient and made ro16+ all of last year. He has a comparable win rate to the protoss in his tier. I might even consider him more solid overall than herO, who's only ever made 1 code S ro8 and even fell out of the gsl in s3 last year. For a player of herO's caliber, he seems to have a glaring weakness in PvP. PartinG does not have any obvious flaws imo. Not to mention, he has the best micro of any protoss. Unlike Rain, he also made both Korean leagues for 2015. All together I think he's earned his keep.
Soulkey is just off a semi-final at IEM (beat Rain along the way). Despite what people say, I thought he had a good 2014 as well. Didn't win anything, but he only played in Korea where he was very consistent. He's extremely tenacious as well which is an important quality in this type of tournament.
That makes sense. I can't wait to see how the groups pan out. Even the top tier players have matchups they might want to avoid. I think Rain is capable of beating Life, PartinG beating Maru, and herO beating Innovation.
If PartinG can avoid getting into group with more than 1 Zerg, he will be in Ro8. Having top-2 PvT and finally finding some groove in PvP again is no joke. If he randomly going to get both Dark and Solar, let's say, then I won't bet on him at all.
With Solar's form lately, PartinG should be over to walk over him, but Dark dismantled him 0-3 in NSSL, so yeah
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
I much sooner see Life picking Yoda/MMA, Inno picking Dream, and Maru picking Terminator... apart.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
what about terminator
What about Terminator?
MC is a GOD in himself, but he shouldn't be a big threat to players like INnoVation, Life, Rain or Maru. But still you shouldn't count him out, I mean same as Classic in last year's Season 2 GSL, nobody thought he would win in that stacked GSL, and guess what? he did. I just think we should just keep an eye out for MC.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
There are often some pretty stupid choices in these selections though. Any given player may pick MC for any particular random reason.
Of course anything can happen, I'm just responding to FMW's claim that MC will probably be one of the first players picked. I can think of a better first pick for just about every player there, so I suspect it isn't that probable. Maybe Yoda would pick him, vsMC is his best head-to-head.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
There are often some pretty stupid choices in these selections though. Any given player may pick MC for any particular random reason.
yeah like how PartinG picked Maru for GSL Ro16 S3 Last year, just so he wouldn't build Group of Death with an On form Flash (he still got the Group of death though)
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
There are often some pretty stupid choices in these selections though. Any given player may pick MC for any particular random reason.
Of course anything can happen, I'm just responding to FMW's claim that MC will probably be one of the first players picked. I can think of a better first pick for just about every player there. Maybe Yoda would pick him, vsMC is his best head-to-head.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
There are often some pretty stupid choices in these selections though. Any given player may pick MC for any particular random reason.
Of course anything can happen, I'm just responding to FMW's claim that MC will probably be one of the first players picked. I can think of a better first pick for just about every player there. Maybe Yoda would pick him, vsMC is his best head-to-head.
MC has a winning record against Yoda
Not according to Aligulac.
"Under these filters, MC is 6–11 (35.29%) in games and 1–5 (16.67%) in matches against YoDa."
And his one series win was before the WM buff last year.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
There are often some pretty stupid choices in these selections though. Any given player may pick MC for any particular random reason.
Of course anything can happen, I'm just responding to FMW's claim that MC will probably be one of the first players picked. I can think of a better first pick for just about every player there. Maybe Yoda would pick him, vsMC is his best head-to-head.
MC has a winning record against Yoda
Not according to Aligulac.
"Under these filters, MC is 6–11 (35.29%) in games and 1–5 (16.67%) in matches against YoDa."
And his one series win was before the WM buff last year.
On February 04 2015 18:11 DJHelium wrote: Predicting Life, Inno or Dark to get picked last, if that's how it works. I expect MC and Parting to deliver the best banter!
Also I'm at 9999 posts and dunno what to do AND it's my birthday woho!
On February 04 2015 18:11 DJHelium wrote: Predicting Life, Inno or Dark to get picked last, if that's how it works. I expect MC and Parting to deliver the best banter!
Also I'm at 9999 posts and dunno what to do AND it's my birthday woho!
I think you should retire from TL. Leave at a high note.
On February 04 2015 18:11 DJHelium wrote: Predicting Life, Inno or Dark to get picked last, if that's how it works. I expect MC and Parting to deliver the best banter!
Also I'm at 9999 posts and dunno what to do AND it's my birthday woho!
Hold a mirror up to your post count, so it shows as "6666," and say Bloody Mary three times.
I dedicate my next beer to your continued health and well-being in the face of any horrific, supernatural events that might befall you in the near future.
On February 04 2015 18:25 MiniFotToss wrote: I am so excited from all the trash talk and all the jokes and funny businesses that will happen tonight....
....Wait, maybe just some hour long interviews like how NSSL's groups were decided, NOT WATCHING LOL
They seriously need to move that stuff to the end of the show. It should be optional viewing.
On February 04 2015 18:33 KelsierSC wrote: I don't remember when Tastosis did this. last time I watched I think it was wolf that was doing it.
It was for NSSL with Sojung, last Code S group selections were by Junkka as well. Inb4 Bogus trades someone last second, dies worse death than Bisu did in KSL D:
On February 04 2015 18:40 Pandemona wrote: Lol mic stand, is this Korean X Factor now xD
Between that, and the digs casters were making about player's appearances during NSSL group selection, you'd think these events are designed for fearless, extroverted attention whores brimming with self-confidence.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA, Terminator
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
Very agreed, but I don't see many players picking MC. Maybe Rain, maybe Maru, maybe Life. That's it. herO certainly ain't picking him after the narrow 2-3 at Blizzcon, and not a lot of Terrans would have the balls to pick a Protoss who became the highest earner in SC2 pretty much exclusively off of 1 and 2-base all ins. That's just asking for trouble.
I much sooner see Life picking Yoda/MMA, Inno picking Dream, and Maru picking Terminator... apart.
On February 04 2015 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: God-tier: Life, Bogus, Maru
Demi-god tier: Soulkey, Rain, PartinG, herO
Top-tier: TY, Dark, Solar
Middle-tier: Dream, Rogue, MMA
Will probably be picked among the first-tier: Yoda, MC
The Dark hype is astronomical. I'm not ready to count Solar out until he bombs in the gsl, could just be an SPL thing. Soulkey's fine guys, really. Dream hasn't done a whole lot to convince me he's gotten over his TvT problem and his TvP wasn't quite as impressive as his TvZ, Yonghwa should have beaten him.
what about terminator
What about Terminator?
John the translator says "Everyone is afraid of MC."
Terminator says "Maru don't pick me please, I just got out of the hospital."
On February 04 2015 18:40 Pandemona wrote: Lol mic stand, is this Korean X Factor now xD
Between that, and the digs casters were making about player's appearances during NSSL group selection, you'd think these events are designed for fearless, extroverted attention whores brimming with self-confidence.
Hahaha :3 I missed the NSSL one so i can't comment.
Is it me or are we missing something with the translation? It feels like they are playing some sort of a game. Or is the woman just asking who they would play, avoid and w/e else?
On February 04 2015 18:48 sashkata wrote: Is it me or are we missing something with the translation? It feels like they are playing some sort of a game. Or is the woman just asking who they would play, avoid and w/e else?
I think this is just some basic introduction to all the players.
On February 04 2015 18:48 sashkata wrote: Is it me or are we missing something with the translation? It feels like they are playing some sort of a game. Or is the woman just asking who they would play, avoid and w/e else?
She's asking them all to say a sentence beginning with each of the characters of their name.
PartinG appeals to Innovation's intelligence and says "pick me." Not sure what being smart had to do with it, but I love their budding rivalry. That would be the third time they land in the same ro16 group since 2013. First time both got out, second time INno got out at PartinG's expense.
Looks like PartinG wants to be in INnoVation's group.
PartinG is telling INnoVation to do what he says and it'll work out. INnoVation is laughing. PartinG says if INnoVation picks him then (INnoVation) he will advance to the RO8, and PartinG will pick the person INnoVation wants. INnoVation isn't buying it.
On February 04 2015 19:08 Heartland wrote: I have the worst cold. Come on TL, give me your worst home remedies. I am willing to try more or less everything
On February 04 2015 19:10 The_Templar wrote: Maru says his teammates are really easy and wants to pick Rogue.
Rogue says Solar is easier than him and that he hopes Maru picks Solar. Maru says he's torn between which Zerg player he wants (he has a lot of builds), he has four in mind.
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
he has been really consistent against lower tier P. + Terminator will wants to pick someone he has a shot against, which won't be a monster. And he still has his swap thing.
On February 04 2015 19:10 The_Templar wrote: Maru says his teammates are really easy and wants to pick Rogue.
Rogue says Solar is easier than him and that he hopes Maru picks Solar. Maru says he's torn between which Zerg player he wants (he has a lot of builds), he has four in mind.
Maru's now thinking about picking Soulkey. Soulkey says he doesn't want to be in Maru's group since he's a tough opponent. He says everyone is a tough opponent (something I missed about Terminator). Dark says he's already going to fight Maru in the NSSL, not here.
On February 04 2015 19:10 The_Templar wrote: Maru says his teammates are really easy and wants to pick Rogue.
Rogue says Solar is easier than him and that he hopes Maru picks Solar. Maru says he's torn between which Zerg player he wants (he has a lot of builds), he has four in mind.
Maru's now thinking about picking Soulkey. Soulkey says he doesn't want to be in Maru's group since he's a tough opponent. He says everyone is a tough opponent (something I missed about Terminator). Dark says he's already going to fight Maru in the NSSL, not here.
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL. Ahh he does believe TvZ is his strongest match up i would assume. Good pick as well
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL.
Rain doesn't have anything in mind about his group. Rogue says that Rain's group will be the easiest one and that he can win in it despite losing to Rain before.
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL. Ahh he does believe TvZ is his strongest match up i would assume. Good pick as well
Super was never in the lead in game 2 (and that's why the mass marine/mine drop is so good vs robo, even if you don't do damage).
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL.
Well, it's OK, it's Terminator
I don't know Kev.....lol but Terminator looks randomly good don't forget. He played NSSL group, went out badly, then went 4-1 in his GSL group lol.
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL. Ahh he does believe TvZ is his strongest match up i would assume. Good pick as well
Super was never in the lead in game 2 (and that's why the mass marine/mine drop is so good vs robo, even if you don't do damage).
Must of been game 3 then? Pretty sure Super threw away a lead somewhere in that series vs Inno because it was very close.
On February 04 2015 19:15 The_Templar wrote: Rain doesn't have anything in mind about his group. Rogue says that Rain's group will be the easiest one and that he can win in it despite losing to Rain before.
Apparently Rogue rage quits against Rain on ladder hahaha. Rogue says he just wasn't able to GG against him, but will this time (...) Rain picks Rogue!
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL.
Well, it's OK, it's Terminator
I don't know Kev.....lol but Terminator looks randomly good don't forget. He played NSSL group, went out badly, then went 4-1 in his GSL group lol.
On February 04 2015 19:08 Pandemona wrote: Really Inno picked a toss, isn't that his weakest match up? Or appears like it for me at least.
Isn't he like 4-0 against Protoss in PL, or is that a different race I'm thinking of?
Lul bo1 pro league bullshit In his group for GSL remember vs Super, Super played and won a solid first game and somehow threw away a lead in game 2 before losing game 3. Before that he lose vs Stats in NSSL. Ahh he does believe TvZ is his strongest match up i would assume. Good pick as well
Super was never in the lead in game 2 (and that's why the mass marine/mine drop is so good vs robo, even if you don't do damage).
Must of been game 3 then? Pretty sure Super threw away a lead somewhere in that series vs Inno because it was very close.
He threw it but it was just even (he thought he was ahead but Inno macroed well so he had way too much when Super tried to hit his timing)
On February 04 2015 19:10 Swisslink wrote: Wait, what? Why is group D before group B?
Because Maru was higher than both Rain and Life in GSL rankings last year.
How is Maru higher than Rain? Maybe Life, but not Rain. Maru got one Ro8, one Ro4 and one Ro16 Rain got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Ro8, exactly the same as Maru Life got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Code A
On February 04 2015 19:10 Swisslink wrote: Wait, what? Why is group D before group B?
Because Maru was higher than both Rain and Life in GSL rankings last year.
How is Maru higher than Rain? Maybe Life, but not Rain. Maru got one Ro8, one Ro4 and one Ro16 Rain got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Ro8, exactly the same as Maru Life got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Code A
Maybe because Maru placed higher in the GSL World Championship than Rain in Hot6ix Cup, which were their only GSL-related events other than the regular seasons in 2014. Don't know if they count for this ranking, but would explain it.
On February 04 2015 19:10 Swisslink wrote: Wait, what? Why is group D before group B?
Because Maru was higher than both Rain and Life in GSL rankings last year.
How is Maru higher than Rain? Maybe Life, but not Rain. Maru got one Ro8, one Ro4 and one Ro16 Rain got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Ro8, exactly the same as Maru Life got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Code A
Pretty sure GSL has point-decay, and Maru got his 3/4th later than Rain
I think YoDa's gonna choose Dream Weak TvT and has a chance of knocking Life out
On February 04 2015 19:10 Swisslink wrote: Wait, what? Why is group D before group B?
Because Maru was higher than both Rain and Life in GSL rankings last year.
How is Maru higher than Rain? Maybe Life, but not Rain. Maru got one Ro8, one Ro4 and one Ro16 Rain got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Ro8, exactly the same as Maru Life got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Code A
Maybe because Maru placed higher in the GSL World Championship than Rain in Hot6ix Cup, which were their only GSL-related events other than the regular seasons in 2014. Don't know if they count for this ranking, but would explain it.
Considering that Rain and Maru have same places distributions in Ro32/Ro16 in 2014 as well, it's probably only real argument.
On February 04 2015 19:10 Swisslink wrote: Wait, what? Why is group D before group B?
Because Maru was higher than both Rain and Life in GSL rankings last year.
How is Maru higher than Rain? Maybe Life, but not Rain. Maru got one Ro8, one Ro4 and one Ro16 Rain got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Ro8, exactly the same as Maru Life got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Code A
Pretty sure GSL has point-decay, and Maru got his 3/4th later than Rain
On February 04 2015 19:10 Swisslink wrote: Wait, what? Why is group D before group B?
Because Maru was higher than both Rain and Life in GSL rankings last year.
How is Maru higher than Rain? Maybe Life, but not Rain. Maru got one Ro8, one Ro4 and one Ro16 Rain got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Ro8, exactly the same as Maru Life got one Ro4, one Ro16 and one Code A
Pretty sure GSL has point-decay, and Maru got his 3/4th later than Rain
MC is asked how long the games will be. He is not sure. Solar says he's provoked into picking MC. herO says he wants to go to group B because YoDa is attractive.
On February 04 2015 19:47 Pandemona wrote: Maru vs MC be fun, just to see what kind of level MC actually is at when he is against top top player.
See Blizzcon 2013
Yeah in 2013 Im on about now, because people think MC is back to his best right now. Because he got out of his group in 1st etc. Well now if he gets vs Maru we will see how good he really is. Unless like someone said MC is going to pick a good strong player say Soulkey or something then it probably wont happen lol.
On February 04 2015 19:47 Pandemona wrote: Maru vs MC be fun, just to see what kind of level MC actually is at when he is against top top player.
See Blizzcon 2013
Yeah in 2013 Im on about now, because people think MC is back to his best right now. Because he got out of his group in 1st etc. Well now if he gets vs Maru we will see how good he really is. Unless like someone said MC is going to pick a good strong player say Soulkey or something then it probably wont happen lol.
4th picks are going to be extremely scary (Dark/herO/Parting/SK or TY?)
PartinG says that INnoVation will switch Solar and himself and Dream wants a Zerg. He also says that he feels he loses a friend if Dream doesn't pick PartinG
Terminator is going to mastermind a good group for himself. Innovation will switch out the last player for someone weak and Terminator will have a decent shot at second place.
On February 04 2015 20:12 sashkata wrote: Terminator is going to mastermind a good group for himself. Innovation will switch out the last player for someone weak and Terminator will have a decent shot at second place.
Terminator doing it the Ensnare way (weak player picking other weak players and qualifying ^^)
- Someone picks you and then you say "Oh, wait, I have a call for you." On speed-dial and speaker phone you've got a psychologist on the other side.
- You find an exact lookalike of a player likely to pick you, when he is about to pick you, that person runs in and screams "I am [players name] from the future! Don't do it!!!!"
- Every time a player starts speaking you start to cackle maniacally until they stop talking. Then you just do it over and over again.
- You sit and stare at a laptop the entire ceremony. Then when someone asks what you're doing you just calmly say that you're going to break Pinnacle again with the massive bets on yourself.
On February 04 2015 20:22 Keeemy wrote: Inno will swap Dark out of the group to prevent a possible teamkill, guaranteed
Why would he? 1. Bogus 2. Dark easy
Because he can? Because it's better to be safe than sorry (altough the chance that Dark gets through is obviously very high)? Because he can make his group even easier by doing that?
Or he can swap Dark with someone scary to possibly knock him out already.
On February 04 2015 20:27 Pandemona wrote: LOL. Unlucky Yoda. Soulkey and Life ouch
Doable
Think doable to beat TY in a TvT series, however beating Soulkey and Life in TvZ might be hard because how unpredictable they are and good in short and long games. Yoda will need to channel every bit of the force, including the dark side (2rax hypee)
On February 04 2015 20:27 Pandemona wrote: LOL. Unlucky Yoda. Soulkey and Life ouch
Doable
Think doable to beat TY in a TvT series, however beating Soulkey and Life in TvZ might be hard because how unpredictable they are and good in short and long games. Yoda will need to channel every bit of the force, including the dark side (2rax hypee)
Groups A and C looking good so far. If hero goes to C then that's my group of death I think. Btw to all the balance whiners (i'm sure this has already been pointed out) but 6 terran 5 zerg 5 toss. PURDY GOOD!
(Vote): Group A (INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark) (Vote): Group B (Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey) (Vote): Group C (Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar) (Vote): Group D (Maru, PartinG, MC, herO)
(Vote): Group A (INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark) (Vote): Group B (Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey) (Vote): Group C (Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar) (Vote): Group D (Maru, PartinG, MC, herO)
On February 04 2015 20:51 RaFox17 wrote: Maru better start preparing to defend all-ins :D
It's not even all-ins at this point, rofl. He literally is going to play against top-1 and top-2 PvT in the world, that's lights out even for Maru. And on top of this there is MC.
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
I'm a rebel
I ddont get it. nobody votes for ty soulkey and life ??????? are you guys nuts?
Ok prediction time (we don't know the match order yet do we?) : Group A : INnoVation, MMA Group B : Life, Soulkey Group C : Dream, Rogue Group D : Maru, MC
Just like Starleague, the person who can switch players tries to get rid of herO by putting him in the protoss group Hope he makes it through this time, after coming so close in NSSL.
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
I'm a rebel
I ddont get it. nobody votes for ty soulkey and life ??????? are you guys nuts?
On February 04 2015 20:58 OtherWorld wrote: Ok prediction time (we don't know the match order yet do we?) : Group A : INnoVation, MMA Group B : Life, Soulkey Group C : Dream, Rogue Group D : Maru, MC
Hahahaha Rain not making it out of his group, you funny guy
On February 04 2015 20:58 OtherWorld wrote: Ok prediction time (we don't know the match order yet do we?) : Group A : INnoVation, MMA Group B : Life, Soulkey Group C : Dream, Rogue Group D : Maru, MC
On February 04 2015 20:58 OtherWorld wrote: Ok prediction time (we don't know the match order yet do we?) : Group A : INnoVation, MMA Group B : Life, Soulkey Group C : Dream, Rogue Group D : Maru, MC
They confirmed INno vs Terminator is the first series of ro16, so it's 1v2 and 3v4 for sure.
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
I'm a rebel
I ddont get it. nobody votes for ty soulkey and life ??????? are you guys nuts?
Even the Korean commentators said that Group B wasn't a group of death.
On February 04 2015 21:28 Scythe. wrote: I think the switch option is too powerful. Innovation was able to make life miserable for two big title contenders - herO and Maru.
This. This switch thing is a joke and a shame. Here it's basically INnoVation saying "oh, you know that thing called bracket luck, that can make or break someone's title? Well, I'll make herO and Maru's chances to win go down to almost zero".
On February 04 2015 21:28 Scythe. wrote: I think the switch option is too powerful. Innovation was able to make life miserable for two big title contenders - herO and Maru.
On February 04 2015 21:28 Scythe. wrote: I think the switch option is too powerful. Innovation was able to make life miserable for two big title contenders - herO and Maru.
Jesus christ Group D. Well Maru only has to prepare for one matchup but I could see PartinG and MC abusing him a little. And herO gets to face his demons against arguably the two most aggressive protoss.
Happy for Rain though. Barring some miraculous upsets he has an easy time in that group.
People bitching about the switch option should bitch about groups and brackets in general i guess? If you want it fair you should write some emails to GOM and ask for a big round robin group with all 16 players, if that's not going to happen there is little meaning to bitch about 2 players switching groups tbh. I think it adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it) Silly to be upset about somethimg like this imo...
Ok now prediction time:
A: Innovation, Dark B: Life, TY C: Rogue, Solar D: Maru, herO
(Vote): There isn't one (Vote): Group A: INnoVation, Terminator, MMA, Dark (Vote): Group B: Life, YoDa, TY, Soulkey (Vote): Group C: Rain, Rogue, Dream, Solar (Vote): Group D: Maru, MC, herO, PartinG
I'm a rebel
I ddont get it. nobody votes for ty soulkey and life ??????? are you guys nuts?
On February 04 2015 22:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: People bitching about the switch option should bitch about groups and brackets in general i guess? If you want it fair you should write some emails to GOM and ask for a big round robin group with all 16 players, if that's not going to happen there is little meaning to bitch about 2 players switching groups tbh. I think it adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it) Silly to be upset about somethimg like this imo...
Ok now prediction time:
A: Innovation, Dark B: Life, TY C: Rogue, Solar D: Maru, herO
If you really want to add a lot of excitement and storyline, why not make players have a knife fight to decide who picks first? There's a reason seeds exist. There's a reason INno, Maru, Rain and Life got asked to choose first and not Terminator, MMA, YoDa and MC. It's precisely to limit (not avoid, because you can't, but limit) bracket luck/groups of death. Here GOM gave INnoVation an opportunity to troll and lower the chances of two/three of his most direct rivals for the title to win. It's not silly. I mean creating excitement and hype and all is good. But not when it is done at the expense of fairness and equality.
Nobody bitched (i think, not 100% sure) when we got 2 groups of death in gsl when the players were crazy. In general players picking the groups is "unfair". Why don't you criticize that? Sry, but i don't see why this is that big of a deal, you either practice for your group and advance, or you aren't good enough and fail. The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
Players picking the groups is indeed unfair to some extent, but at least it only gives one player the option of picking the opponent is better for him and only for him, so at least it's not "oh hey, let's lower this player chances of qualifying, 'cuz I don't like him". The switch option is precisely that, a trollish way to fuck up others' chances to win (and since it was given only to the current Code S champion, it's a rich gets richer system as well).
The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
It is unfair but adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it).
I actually don't think it adds excitement and storyline at all. In a round robin you can have crazy tie breakers (like in the current SSL), that shit is exciting. But yeah nice try
On February 04 2015 22:41 OtherWorld wrote: Players picking the groups is indeed unfair to some extent, but at least it only gives one player the option of picking the opponent is better for him and only for him, so at least it's not "oh hey, let's lower this player chances of qualifying, 'cuz I don't like him". The switch option is precisely that, a trollish way to fuck up others' chances to win (and since it was given only to the current Code S champion, it's a rich gets richer system as well).
I mean i can understand where you are coming from, i just think players picking their groups and the group system in general is a way bigger deal.
The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
It is unfair but adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it).
I actually don't think it adds excitement and storyline at all. In a round robin you can have crazy tie breakers (like in the current SSL), that shit is exciting. But yeah nice try
But in GSL style you are not dependant on other people's results, while in RR you can be.
The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
It is unfair but adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it).
I actually don't think it adds excitement and storyline at all. In a round robin you can have crazy tie breakers (like in the current SSL), that shit is exciting. But yeah nice try
But in GSL style you are not dependant on other people's results, while in RR you can be.
That's not true at all. In GSL style you can have a bad first matchup, go into losers, win there vs a lesser player and in the deciding match you get your first opponent again. Now you lose vs the same person two times and are out. You are in fact highly dependant on the other people's results. In round robin you play vs every other opponent and have full controll
The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
It is unfair but adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it).
I actually don't think it adds excitement and storyline at all. In a round robin you can have crazy tie breakers (like in the current SSL), that shit is exciting. But yeah nice try
On February 04 2015 22:41 OtherWorld wrote: Players picking the groups is indeed unfair to some extent, but at least it only gives one player the option of picking the opponent is better for him and only for him, so at least it's not "oh hey, let's lower this player chances of qualifying, 'cuz I don't like him". The switch option is precisely that, a trollish way to fuck up others' chances to win (and since it was given only to the current Code S champion, it's a rich gets richer system as well).
I mean i can understand where you are coming from, i just think players picking their groups and the group system in general is a way bigger deal.
Well yeah but players picking their groups and the group system is an long-established GOM tradition, thus it is less useful to complain about it than the switch option that is newly introduced. I mean if GOM had made its free Low quality bullshit since the beginning, few people would complain as well.
The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
It is unfair but adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it).
I actually don't think it adds excitement and storyline at all. In a round robin you can have crazy tie breakers (like in the current SSL), that shit is exciting. But yeah nice try
But in GSL style you are not dependant on other people's results, while in RR you can be.
That's not true at all. In GSL style you can have a bad first matchup, go into losers, win there vs a lesser player and in the deciding match you get your first opponent again. Now you lose vs the same person two times and are out. You are in fact highly dependant on the other people's results. In round robin you play vs every other opponent and have full controll
I dunno, I dislike RR because things like Naniwa vs Nestea can happen. But well, I think the RR vs GSL argument is an unending one.
The only thing i would like to see changing is the gsl group system, that shit is unfair...
It is unfair but adds a lot of excitement and even storyline (if they would use it).
I actually don't think it adds excitement and storyline at all. In a round robin you can have crazy tie breakers (like in the current SSL), that shit is exciting. But yeah nice try
But in GSL style you are not dependant on other people's results
No, you are heavily dependent on others as well. The outcome of some groups would be radically different with just one different result in one of the initial matches
Honestly I think INnoVation switched PartinG and Solar around to get rid of Maru. In my opinion, Maru is the only real threat to Inno, his TvT is his weakest mu and in the past Maru has bopped Inno before (OSL). Looking at recent results PartinG is pretty solid versus Maru and is so a good pick to eliminate him.
IMO, choosing your own opponents is one thing, it's being able to switch any other two players that's the problem. If Innovation could only switch himself with someone then that would be ok. Then the only way he would be able to make a group of death would be by putting himself in it.
On February 05 2015 01:10 Fuell wrote: Honestly I think INnoVation switched PartinG and Solar around to get rid of Maru. In my opinion, Maru is the only real threat to Inno, his TvT is his weakest mu and in the past Maru has bopped Inno before (OSL). Looking at recent results PartinG is pretty solid versus Maru and is so a good pick to eliminate him.
and it helps Dream, was just the perfect move from robogus. the software definitely includes group selection now
I don't think it was good enough to spend 90 hours minutes watching the VODs when you know the results, but I usually feel that way about group selections
On February 05 2015 06:58 The_Templar wrote: I don't think it was good enough to spend 90 hours watching the VODs when you know the results, but I usually feel that way about group selections
90 hours? :O there must've been some seriously careful planning on these picks lol thanks
Am I the only one who thinks Inno didn't put a lot of thought into his decision to switch Solar and PartinG? It seemed like he had no clue what to do with his switch and just did the one thing people (Solar and PartinG both) seemed to want.
It certainly helps him that he will either get rid of some Protoss with excellent PvT, or an aggressive TvTer, and is helping a weak TvTer get through on the other side of the bracket... but I'm leaning towards this all being a lucky byproduct.
On February 05 2015 09:13 pure.Wasted wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Inno didn't put a lot of thought into his decision to switch Solar and PartinG? It seemed like he had no clue what to do with his switch and just did the one thing people (Solar and PartinG both) seemed to want.
It certainly helps him that he will either get rid of some Protoss with excellent PvT, or an aggressive TvTer, and is helping a weak TvTer get through on the other side of the bracket... but I'm leaning towards this all being a lucky byproduct.
Wasn't PartinG trying to get him to do exactly that? Maybe he thought it was a mind game
On February 05 2015 09:13 pure.Wasted wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Inno didn't put a lot of thought into his decision to switch Solar and PartinG? It seemed like he had no clue what to do with his switch and just did the one thing people (Solar and PartinG both) seemed to want.
It certainly helps him that he will either get rid of some Protoss with excellent PvT, or an aggressive TvTer, and is helping a weak TvTer get through on the other side of the bracket... but I'm leaning towards this all being a lucky byproduct.
Wasn't PartinG trying to get him to do exactly that? Maybe he thought it was a mind game
You mean PartinG literally said these things ("you'll get rid of strong PvTers or an aggressive Terran") while pitching the plan? If so, I must have missed it. I don't think I heard a single translation of why he wanted to switch, other than to put MC in his place.
I don't think Innovation cared that much for the switch. He probably was just feeling sympathetic for Dream, so tossed him the easiest Zerg instead of Parting. I definitely think SKT has a very solid chance for Ro8 -> Finals.
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