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On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true?
I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/
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On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/
That was kinda my point :D
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On January 22 2015 22:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/ That was kinda my point :D
I know haha, just wanted to make it more obvious^^ how many points did he cost at the start? 8? Cant remember lol
Anyway i am happy with the pick, could have made 3 or 4 points more i think but its not bad. Certainly better than Solar 
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Look I don't like KT and Zest as much as the next guy but this is kinda ridiculous lol. Sometimes teams/players play well and sometimes they don't. No reason to go and shit on a team and player when they don't play up to the high standard they set for themselves. Please dont come into threads with the sole purpose of marginalizing the successes and victories of a team and to shit on a player/team at any opportunity. Thanks.
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On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/
If that guy called Zest a patchtoss his opinion is worth literally nothing. I am not even a KT fan and I can admit Zest is one of the most talented players in the world
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On January 23 2015 04:22 tjtombo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/ If that guy called Zest a patchtoss his opinion is worth literally nothing. I am not even a KT fan and I can admit Zest is one of the most talented players in the world
I know, i was being ironic but that doesnt always work on the internet sadly :p I should try to be clear next time, I am really happy with 18 points! Could have been even more if Zest didnt have his 2 weeks where he was off his game
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Zest is the protoss johnnyrecco!
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On January 23 2015 04:22 tjtombo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/ If that guy called Zest a patchtoss his opinion is worth literally nothing. I am not even a KT fan and I can admit Zest is one of the most talented players in the world
The funny thing is, it's your opinion that if I called Zest a patchtoss then my opinion is "worth literally nothing." See where this is going?
Also, refer back to the thread I linked where I actually explained my analysis. Zest is a player who "became good" right after the two biggest protoss-buffing patches, and was "the best player" during the undisputed and only ever Protoss-dominated era of SC2. If not patchtoss, what is the proper word to call someone who only became good once a patch buffed their race (protoss) and whose results have since significantly declined?
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On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/
Yes, that was before I read that in FPL you get points for simply showing up.
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On January 23 2015 10:23 SackOfWetMice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 04:22 tjtombo wrote:On January 22 2015 22:14 BlackCompany wrote:On January 22 2015 21:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2015 18:25 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 17:39 Lazzi wrote:On January 22 2015 13:22 SackOfWetMice wrote:On January 22 2015 12:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:
yeah whatever man, if you really think "your predictions" are worth anything after the first few weeks i won't be able to change that opinion. I absolutely think my predictions about the first few weeks of 2015 are worth something regarding results in the first few weeks of 2015. I just repeat what i said before: kinda funny you didn't post anything the last 2 weeks, maybe cause your "predictions" didn't come true there? Let's just wait and see which opinion will be worth more when it actually matters, near the end of this proleague season. Why would I have posted anything in the last two weeks? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. And I'm more than happy to wait and see what happens in the rest of 2015, just as I was happy back in December to make my predictions then and have only been proven right so far. Can I actually have a link to your post? This is the thread, starts on page 2 I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/473641-what-players-should-be-top-picks-for-fantasy-pl?page=2There are more posts as well, they're in my post history if you want to look. Your first post was actually this: On December 18 2014 15:28 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Zest will be a good anti-team pick. Patchtoss that will most likely be very overpriced. So i guess you have picked him and are happy, cause your prediction came true? I got 18 points from Zest in my main team so far, i dont think that qualifies for a good anti team pick :/ If that guy called Zest a patchtoss his opinion is worth literally nothing. I am not even a KT fan and I can admit Zest is one of the most talented players in the world The funny thing is, it's your opinion that if I called Zest a patchtoss then my opinion is "worth literally nothing." See where this is going?
Also, refer back to the thread I linked where I actually explained my analysis. Zest is a player who "became good" right after the two biggest protoss-buffing patches, and was "the best player" during the undisputed and only ever Protoss-dominated era of SC2. If not patchtoss, what is the proper word to call someone who only became good once a patch buffed their race (protoss) and whose results have since significantly declined?
I'm assuming the oracle buff is the patch in question. That would be 11/11/13.
Zest, while not being anywhere close to championship level, was still a good player long before that. An upcoming player to look out for. In the 2012/2013 SPL he went 29-17 (63% win rate) and was ranked #7 overall. Which was actually better than his 2014 SPL performance (during the protoss era) where he went 20-16(56% win rate). He made a decent run in the 2013 WCG qualifiers eliminating Maru along the way and from what I remember he almost eliminated Bogus with a 2-1. Then he qualified into IEM New York and only met his end at the hands of the eventual champ (Life) going 1-2 both times. So no, I think that qualifies Zest as at least being a good player who was on an upwards slope even before the patch.
Additionally, can we really say his results have significantly declined? Okay, sure, he's not in either Korean league but neither are players like soO (the 2nd most consistent player of 2014) and sOs. How do you rate them? A current 5-4 in SPL isn't so bad either considering the players and types of games he's lost. At the rate he's going, he'll end up about the same as he was last season with a sub-60% win rate. Beneath what you'd expect from Zest, but still better than a lot of people.
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