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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
September 20 2014 02:09 GMT
#41
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
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ooo very cool

nicely done die4ever
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 20 2014 02:19 GMT
#42
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 20 2014 02:22 GMT
#43
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

Because the chances for Zest are the same no matter what. I think it's designed to display the lowest and highest possible placement for players whose chances do not change no matter the circumstance. At least thats what I think.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 02:27:15
September 20 2014 02:26 GMT
#44
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 20 2014 02:30 GMT
#45
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 20 2014 02:30 GMT
#46
I try my best
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 02:36:19
September 20 2014 02:32 GMT
#47
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

The 2nd place event changes Cure's chances from his current ~0.06% down to 0%.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 02:36:51
September 20 2014 02:36 GMT
#48
On September 20 2014 11:32 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

Yeah, I know that. If Cure has a chance of qualifying at second place (which apparently he does since 2nd place changes the chances), why does it round down to 0 in the table?
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 20 2014 02:38 GMT
#49
On September 20 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:32 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

Yeah, I know that. If Cure has a chance of qualifying at second place (which apparently he does since 2nd place changes the chances), why does it round down to 0 in the table?

Ah, I get what you're asking I think. Right now his chances are at ~0.06% because it's including the possibility of him winning the GSL, you can see that 1st place brings him up to ~0.28%. However if he gets 2nd then he can no longer get 1st so that possibility is gone, and 2nd place is just never enough for Cure to make it. So him getting 2nd place changes his Blizzcon chances because it brings them down by ~0.06% down to 0%.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 20 2014 02:51 GMT
#50
On September 20 2014 11:38 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:32 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

Yeah, I know that. If Cure has a chance of qualifying at second place (which apparently he does since 2nd place changes the chances), why does it round down to 0 in the table?

Ah, I get what you're asking I think. Right now his chances are at ~0.06% because it's including the possibility of him winning the GSL, you can see that 1st place brings him up to ~0.28%. However if he gets 2nd then he can no longer get 1st so that possibility is gone, and 2nd place is just never enough for Cure to make it. So him getting 2nd place changes his Blizzcon chances because it brings them down by ~0.06% down to 0%.

Exactly, so my question was supposed to be: why does it list 0% under 4th and 2nd when they are both exactly 0%, yet it only lists 100% for Zest under 4th?
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 03:02:47
September 20 2014 02:57 GMT
#51
On September 20 2014 11:51 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:38 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:32 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

Yeah, I know that. If Cure has a chance of qualifying at second place (which apparently he does since 2nd place changes the chances), why does it round down to 0 in the table?

Ah, I get what you're asking I think. Right now his chances are at ~0.06% because it's including the possibility of him winning the GSL, you can see that 1st place brings him up to ~0.28%. However if he gets 2nd then he can no longer get 1st so that possibility is gone, and 2nd place is just never enough for Cure to make it. So him getting 2nd place changes his Blizzcon chances because it brings them down by ~0.06% down to 0%.

Exactly, so my question was supposed to be: why does it list 0% under 4th and 2nd when they are both exactly 0%, yet it only lists 100% for Zest under 4th?

Oh. The 4th and 2nd place change Cure's current chances, not the successive chances, scoring of events only happens on an individual basis, since events are examined after all the simulations for the initial block are done. The blank spots are because WCS Predictor just isn't counting that event in order to save CPU and RAM. The way it works is it runs the initial block of simulations (currently 500,000 samples) and then with that initial block it finds events and scores them and then trims the list to the highest scoring ones for each player, and then it remembers those lists and adds on to the counters for them after each block of simulations. So Zest's 2nd place event was trimmed because it was able to recognize in isolation that it doesn't need to track it because it doesn't change Zest's chances.

It doesn't look at a chain of events, it just looks at each event individually.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 20 2014 03:10 GMT
#52
On September 20 2014 11:57 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:51 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:38 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:32 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

Yeah, I know that. If Cure has a chance of qualifying at second place (which apparently he does since 2nd place changes the chances), why does it round down to 0 in the table?

Ah, I get what you're asking I think. Right now his chances are at ~0.06% because it's including the possibility of him winning the GSL, you can see that 1st place brings him up to ~0.28%. However if he gets 2nd then he can no longer get 1st so that possibility is gone, and 2nd place is just never enough for Cure to make it. So him getting 2nd place changes his Blizzcon chances because it brings them down by ~0.06% down to 0%.

Exactly, so my question was supposed to be: why does it list 0% under 4th and 2nd when they are both exactly 0%, yet it only lists 100% for Zest under 4th?

Oh. The 4th and 2nd place change Cure's current chances, not the successive chances, scoring of events only happens on an individual basis, since events are examined after all the simulations for the initial block are done. The blank spots are because WCS Predictor just isn't counting that event in order to save CPU and RAM. The way it works is it runs the initial block of simulations (currently 500,000 samples) and then with that initial block it finds events and scores them and then trims the list to the highest scoring ones for each player, and then it remembers those lists and adds on to the counters for them after each block of simulations. So Zest's 2nd place event was trimmed because it was able to recognize in isolation that it doesn't need to track it because it doesn't change Zest's chances.

It doesn't look at a chain of events, it just looks at each event individually.

Ok, this explanation makes sense. Cool
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 20 2014 03:14 GMT
#53
On September 20 2014 12:10 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 11:57 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:51 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:38 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:32 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:26 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote:
On September 20 2014 09:10 Die4Ever wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of the new feature?

http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=tournament&tid=20
[image loading]

Took a second look. Why does it skip 2nd for zest but not Cure?

WCS Predictor only finds and tallies events that either have a high enough score (how much it CHANGES their Blizzcon chances combined with how often it happens), are an upcoming match, or are a 1st place. You can see that the entries for Zest are 4th place (losing his upcoming match), and the 1st place (cause it's a 1st place!), the 2nd place is skipped because it doesn't fulfill any of the 3 criteria (score cause no change to Blizzcon chances, upcoming match, or 1st place). Cure gets them all cause the 2nd place does change his Blizzcon chances a bit.

You were close KingofdaHipHop

Oh. I thought I read somewhere that if there was any possibility of a blizzcon spot, it wouldn't be 0%.

Yes that's true it won't ever round down to 0. What makes you think otherwise? The table is showing Blizzcon chances for finishing at placements, the 2nd place slot means if you lose in the finals.

Yeah, I know that. If Cure has a chance of qualifying at second place (which apparently he does since 2nd place changes the chances), why does it round down to 0 in the table?

Ah, I get what you're asking I think. Right now his chances are at ~0.06% because it's including the possibility of him winning the GSL, you can see that 1st place brings him up to ~0.28%. However if he gets 2nd then he can no longer get 1st so that possibility is gone, and 2nd place is just never enough for Cure to make it. So him getting 2nd place changes his Blizzcon chances because it brings them down by ~0.06% down to 0%.

Exactly, so my question was supposed to be: why does it list 0% under 4th and 2nd when they are both exactly 0%, yet it only lists 100% for Zest under 4th?

Oh. The 4th and 2nd place change Cure's current chances, not the successive chances, scoring of events only happens on an individual basis, since events are examined after all the simulations for the initial block are done. The blank spots are because WCS Predictor just isn't counting that event in order to save CPU and RAM. The way it works is it runs the initial block of simulations (currently 500,000 samples) and then with that initial block it finds events and scores them and then trims the list to the highest scoring ones for each player, and then it remembers those lists and adds on to the counters for them after each block of simulations. So Zest's 2nd place event was trimmed because it was able to recognize in isolation that it doesn't need to track it because it doesn't change Zest's chances.

It doesn't look at a chain of events, it just looks at each event individually.

Ok, this explanation makes sense. Cool

I need to make a good FAQ for WCS Predictor 2015
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
September 20 2014 03:46 GMT
#54
The match I have been waiting for.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 04:06:21
September 20 2014 04:06 GMT
#55
BTW, I made a really bad banner for Zest vs soO if anyone wants to use it for the day 1 thread.
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
September 20 2014 04:28 GMT
#56
Wha'ts with bogus throwing his penis at cure?
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Vietnam70 Posts
September 20 2014 05:54 GMT
#57
Innovation 4-0 Cure, EZPZ.
Sorry everyone looking for an epic TvT...
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 20 2014 06:00 GMT
#58
No DRG means rooting for Innovation
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
September 20 2014 06:23 GMT
#59
Innovation 4-1.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
September 20 2014 07:38 GMT
#60
On September 20 2014 13:28 juvenal wrote:
Wha'ts with bogus throwing his penis at cure?

Well it is a WMD. Also its a gun xD
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
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