GSL S3 Code S - Zest is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 56.83 % of the time Zest wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 43.17 % of the time Zest loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Rain is at ~ 14.14 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 43.17 % of the time Rain wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 32.76 %. ~ 56.83 % of the time Rain loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %.
GSL S3 Code S - Stats is at ~ 0.01 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 58.69 % of the time Stats wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.01 %. ~ 41.31 % of the time Stats loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - soO is at ~ 30.68 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 41.31 % of the time soO wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 58.35 %. ~ 58.69 % of the time soO loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 11.21 %.
Winning Chances INnoVation has a ~ 30.75 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 30.61 % to ~ 99.54 % Cure has a ~ 20.51 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.31 % to ~ 1.53 % Zest has a ~ 17.81 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % Rain has a ~ 14.12 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 14.14 % to ~ 100 % Stats has a ~ 11.39 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.03 % soO has a ~ 5.42 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 30.68 % to ~ 100 %
Winning Gains Rain would gain ~ 85.86 % if they win, with a ~ 14.12 % chance to win, going from ~ 14.14 % to ~ 100 % soO would gain ~ 69.32 % if they win, with a ~ 5.42 % chance to win, going from ~ 30.68 % to ~ 100 % INnoVation would gain ~ 68.92 % if they win, with a ~ 30.75 % chance to win, going from ~ 30.61 % to ~ 99.54 % Cure would gain ~ 1.21 % if they win, with a ~ 20.51 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.31 % to ~ 1.53 % Stats would gain ~ 0.03 % if they win, with a ~ 11.39 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.03 % Zest would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 17.81 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
GSL S3 Code S - Zest is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 56.83 % of the time Zest wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 43.17 % of the time Zest loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Rain is at ~ 14.14 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 43.17 % of the time Rain wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 32.76 %. ~ 56.83 % of the time Rain loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0.01 %.
GSL S3 Code S - Stats is at ~ 0.01 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 58.69 % of the time Stats wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 0.01 %. ~ 41.31 % of the time Stats loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - soO is at ~ 30.68 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 41.31 % of the time soO wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 58.35 %. ~ 58.69 % of the time soO loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 11.21 %.
Winning Chances INnoVation has a ~ 30.75 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 30.61 % to ~ 99.54 % Cure has a ~ 20.51 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.31 % to ~ 1.53 % Zest has a ~ 17.81 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 % Rain has a ~ 14.12 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 14.14 % to ~ 100 % Stats has a ~ 11.39 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.03 % soO has a ~ 5.42 % chance to win. This would increase their Blizzcon chances from ~ 30.68 % to ~ 100 %
Winning Gains Rain would gain ~ 85.86 % if they win, with a ~ 14.12 % chance to win, going from ~ 14.14 % to ~ 100 % soO would gain ~ 69.32 % if they win, with a ~ 5.42 % chance to win, going from ~ 30.68 % to ~ 100 % INnoVation would gain ~ 68.92 % if they win, with a ~ 30.75 % chance to win, going from ~ 30.61 % to ~ 99.54 % Cure would gain ~ 1.21 % if they win, with a ~ 20.51 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.31 % to ~ 1.53 % Stats would gain ~ 0.03 % if they win, with a ~ 11.39 % chance to win, going from ~ 0.01 % to ~ 0.03 % Zest would gain ~ 0 % if they win, with a ~ 17.81 % chance to win, going from ~ 100 % to ~ 100 %
Rain, let's gogogo, win this and go to Blizzcon, Rain hwaiting, Dont let leaving SKT slow you down, you are still the Best Protoss in the world, gogogo, show your PvP prowess
We need Stats to win the GSL, so we can keep our series of "rising protoss players, who are sooooo talented - champions". Zest and Rain are too strong/accomplished by now to still fit that description.
Zest is so overrated, just pvp at kespa cup, gsl global and gsl s1 2014 (soo is horrible at pvz). So, Zest is good at pvp, granted. You all talk about sOs and TRUE lucky brackets, but look at this fallacy of KT player: just pure pvp at his championship runs (soo sucks at pvz). He fought once against a good terran player (Flash), and he just was rekt.
Tonight, a real player like Rain will unmask the farce that Zest is. Rain 3-1.
On September 19 2014 15:43 Apoteosis wrote: Zest is so overrated, just pvp at kespa cup, gsl global and gsl s1 2014 (soo is horrible at pvz). So, Zest is good at pvp, granted. You all talk about sOs and TRUE lucky brackets, but look at this fallacy of KT player: just pure pvp at his championship runs (soo sucks at pvz). He fought once against a good terran player (Flash), and he just was rekt.
Tonight, a real player like Rain will unmask the farce that Zest is. Rain 3-1.
Super sick matchups tonight. gonna stay up to watch some of this live this time... Sigh, goddamn recent country viewing restrictions imposed on the Korean YT GSL vods. What a bummer. Staying up from 2am-5am+ every night GSL is on is rough...
It still is the most crazy run to make 3 consecutive finals in a row, and a potential 4th is on the cards. WTF soO, seriously deserves more respect than he gets and also IS the best zerg in the game!
On September 19 2014 18:05 Pandemona wrote: It still is the most crazy run to make 3 consecutive finals in a row, and a potential 4th is on the cards. WTF soO, seriously deserves more respect than he gets and also IS the best zerg in the game!
and he might not even make it to blizzcon unless he makes it back to the final again
On September 19 2014 18:05 Pandemona wrote: It still is the most crazy run to make 3 consecutive finals in a row, and a potential 4th is on the cards. WTF soO, seriously deserves more respect than he gets and also IS the best zerg in the game!
and he might not even make it to blizzcon unless he makes it back to the final again
On September 19 2014 18:05 Pandemona wrote: It still is the most crazy run to make 3 consecutive finals in a row, and a potential 4th is on the cards. WTF soO, seriously deserves more respect than he gets and also IS the best zerg in the game!
You're too early, we're supposed to forget he exists until he gets to the finals, then predict him to win, and be surprised when he loses like always. Don't break tradition!
On September 19 2014 18:26 Shellshock wrote: classic soO here would be to get a bunch of muta + corruptor, get a lead, and then never close it out and lose
Well he has the muta...rofl and now the corrupter xD
On September 19 2014 18:26 Shellshock wrote: classic soO here would be to get a bunch of muta + corruptor, get a lead, and then never close it out and lose
On September 19 2014 18:38 seom wrote: Korean gsl streams don't seem to work for me anymore... anyone else having this problem?
You mean on YouTube or Twitch? The YouTube stream afaik is now blocked outside of Korea again, so you will need a korean server proxy to load it up. Twitch is working for me though
On September 19 2014 18:38 seom wrote: Korean gsl streams don't seem to work for me anymore... anyone else having this problem?
You mean on YouTube or Twitch? The YouTube stream afaik is now blocked outside of Korea again, so you will need a korean server proxy to load it up. Twitch is working for me though
On September 19 2014 18:47 mijagi182 wrote: Bad engagement!!? what he could've possibly do with ling muta against archons?
Not engage?
Split his army and send the muta/corruptor in the main (to keep stats from microing in both places) instead of amoving and engaging straight up in a wall of forcefields, blink stalkers, cannons along with a nexus cannon...
On September 19 2014 18:47 mijagi182 wrote: Bad engagement!!? what he could've possibly do with ling muta against archons?
Not engage?
Split his army and send the muta/corruptor in the main (to keep stats from microing in both places) isntead of amoving and engaging straight up in a wall of forcefields, blink stalkers, cannons along with a nexus cannon...
On September 19 2014 18:48 REyeM wrote: soO did some queen/infestor/ultra plays during season 2 and after that switched exclusively to muta/corruptor.
Edit: well switched back
idk, I feel like soO does everything except SH regularly. I'm not really a fan of the guy so there are some gaps in my viewing, but every time I've seen his ZvP be plays like a much better version of Hyun. Just masses of hatch/lair units and maybe some ultralisks from time to time.
On September 19 2014 18:47 mijagi182 wrote: Bad engagement!!? what he could've possibly do with ling muta against archons?
Not engage?
Split his army and send the muta/corruptor in the main (to keep stats from microing in both places) isntead of amoving and engaging straight up in a wall of forcefields, blink stalkers, cannons along with a nexus cannon...
he had like 3 corruptors there. phoenixes would've all/most of mutas then. Hes best chance was to destroy ground half of the army while phoenixes where away.
On September 19 2014 18:47 mijagi182 wrote: Bad engagement!!? what he could've possibly do with ling muta against archons?
Not engage?
Split his army and send the muta/corruptor in the main (to keep stats from microing in both places) isntead of amoving and engaging straight up in a wall of forcefields, blink stalkers, cannons along with a nexus cannon...
he had like 3 corruptors there. phoenixes would've all/most of mutas then. Hes best chance was to destroy ground half of the army while phoenixes where away.
That's another issue though (bad composition vs bad engagement).
On September 19 2014 18:47 mijagi182 wrote: Bad engagement!!? what he could've possibly do with ling muta against archons?
Not engage?
Split his army and send the muta/corruptor in the main (to keep stats from microing in both places) isntead of amoving and engaging straight up in a wall of forcefields, blink stalkers, cannons along with a nexus cannon...
he had like 3 corruptors there. phoenixes would've all/most of mutas then. Hes best chance was to destroy ground half of the army while phoenixes where away.
He should've bought time to fix his composition; Attacking head on was always a bad decision. It obviously wasn't going to be easy though
Lings must get pretty tired of rubbing themselves all over forcefields, watching all their mates dying, only to find out that when the forcefield drops and they can charge gloriously into battle, waiting for them is a line of cackling gleeful archons.
On September 19 2014 18:56 Tzyx wrote: Lings must get pretty tired of rubbing themselves all over forcefields, watching all their mates dying, only to find out that when the forcefield drops and they can charge gloriously into battle, waiting for them is a line of cackling gleeful archons.
On September 19 2014 18:56 Tzyx wrote: Lings must get pretty tired of rubbing themselves all over forcefields, watching all their mates dying, only to find out that when the forcefield drops and they can charge gloriously into battle, waiting for them is a line of cackling gleeful archons.
On September 19 2014 18:56 Tzyx wrote: Lings must get pretty tired of rubbing themselves all over forcefields, watching all their mates dying, only to find out that when the forcefield drops and they can charge gloriously into battle, waiting for them is a line of cackling gleeful archons.
On September 19 2014 18:56 Tzyx wrote: Lings must get pretty tired of rubbing themselves all over forcefields, watching all their mates dying, only to find out that when the forcefield drops and they can charge gloriously into battle, waiting for them is a line of cackling gleeful archons.
On September 19 2014 19:06 Pandemona wrote: Welcome to Zerg ultimate death ball!
ProLeague showed it doesn't work. Or was it SoulKey? I'm not sure now... damn it!
It is how you win late game TvZ though, was watching DeMuslim and he is pretty high MMR and the way he loses end game TvZ is to the Ultra Blord Queen death ball. Just seems to work so well (again xD)
On September 19 2014 19:06 Pandemona wrote: Welcome to Zerg ultimate death ball!
ProLeague showed it doesn't work. Or was it SoulKey? I'm not sure now... damn it!
It is how you win late game TvZ though, was watching DeMuslim and he is pretty high MMR and the way he loses end game TvZ is to the Ultra Blord Queen death ball. Just seems to work so well (again xD)
On September 19 2014 19:06 Pandemona wrote: Welcome to Zerg ultimate death ball!
ProLeague showed it doesn't work. Or was it SoulKey? I'm not sure now... damn it!
It is how you win late game TvZ though, was watching DeMuslim and he is pretty high MMR and the way he loses end game TvZ is to the Ultra Blord Queen death ball. Just seems to work so well (again xD)
Yeah, but this is PvT. But I am pretty sure it was SK who I remember.
On September 19 2014 19:12 Ramiz1989 wrote: It is hilarious how good SoO is outside of the Finals, great composition, great decision making, and then... he goes into finals. And dies.
Eh the last game was full finals tbh.
Also, this game is the reason why pheonix>4gate>robo>third is horribly outdated. The zerg is just free to do whatever he wants for the whole game.
On September 19 2014 19:12 Ramiz1989 wrote: It is hilarious how good SoO is outside of the Finals, great composition, great decision making, and then... he goes into finals. And dies.
Eh the last game was full finals tbh.
Also, this game is the reason why pheonix>4gate>robo>third is horribly outdated. The zerg is just free to do whatever he wants for the whole game.
Yeah well I must admit that I didn't watch last 2 games, this is my first. :D
It is true that he can screw up outside of the finals too(losing 3-1 to Super...), but most of the time he is really good.
On September 19 2014 19:14 Tipany wrote: Such a joke that Stats could stay alive for so long despite being behind so much
Kinda true for every race though. Zerg can sac base and back off behind swarm hosts, terran can move up ramp into a great concave and EMP/aoe.
I like having defender's advantage.The problem imo is that 3 base economy is about as strong as 5+ base economy. So basically you have to wait until defending player mines out to get an advantage/win.
On September 19 2014 19:12 Yiome wrote: Love this ZvP style Though I think it is really difficult to execute even soO has some ultras wondering around attacking random building...
it all came down to Stats not scouting what he will be dealing with... i doubt same trick will work twice though
On September 19 2014 19:14 Tipany wrote: Such a joke that Stats could stay alive for so long despite being behind so much
Kinda true for every race though. Zerg can sac base and back off behind swarm hosts, terran can move up ramp into a great concave and EMP/aoe.
I like having defender's advantage.The problem imo is that 3 base economy is about as strong as 5+ base economy. So basically you have to wait until defending player mines out to get an advantage/win.
I strongly disagree. At that stage of the game what really matters for protoss and zerg is the gas income, not the mineral income.
Of course a 4th (or 5th, or 6th eventually) base in sc2 isn't as strong as in bw, but it's still extremely important to secure one.
edit: @bo1b, game 1 he opened 9pool, did okish damage, then went roach/ling into muta/corruptor. Game 2 he went 3hatch before pool, played greedier because he deflected dt's, and still went roach/ling into muta/corruptor.
lol Tasteless is so unintentionally hilarious sometimes. "i read this funny thing and i'll tell you about it now but i totally forgot the punchline". priceless.
soo is really showing why he consistently makes it far, and stats is showing how you dont prepare for a series. stats has been doing predictable openings and just trying to rely on skill and scouting. There is no world where stats should have not proxy 2 gated on nimbus after soo's g1/g2 builds and the way he was being outclassed and got a win off two bad engagements of soo.. It would have been a build order win and messed with soo's mindset for g4. Soo has been doing different openings, tricky tech switches and really knows how to play a series.
On September 19 2014 19:20 duckk wrote: soo is really showing why he consistently makes it far, and stats is showing how you dont prepare for a series. stats has been doing predictable openings and just trying to rely on skill and scouting. There is no world where stats should have not proxy 2 gated on nimbus after soo's g1/g2 builds and the way he was being outclassed and got a win off two bad engagements of soo.. It would have been a build order win and messed with soo's mindset for g4. Soo has been doing different openings, tricky tech switches and really knows how to play a series.
On September 19 2014 19:20 duckk wrote: soo is really showing why he consistently makes it far, and stats is showing how you dont prepare for a series. stats has been doing predictable openings and just trying to rely on skill and scouting. There is no world where stats should have not proxy 2 gated on nimbus after soo's g1/g2 builds and the way he was being outclassed and got a win off two bad engagements of soo.. It would have been a build order win and messed with soo's mindset for g4. Soo has been doing different openings, tricky tech switches and really knows how to play a series.
Well, Stats did go proxy DTs. And how would he scout soO on Nimbus?
On September 19 2014 19:20 duckk wrote: soo is really showing why he consistently makes it far, and stats is showing how you dont prepare for a series. stats has been doing predictable openings and just trying to rely on skill and scouting. There is no world where stats should have not proxy 2 gated on nimbus after soo's g1/g2 builds and the way he was being outclassed and got a win off two bad engagements of soo.. It would have been a build order win and messed with soo's mindset for g4. Soo has been doing different openings, tricky tech switches and really knows how to play a series.
Well, Stats did go proxy DTs. And how would he scout soO on Nimbus?
I was referring to very early game openers before being scouted. You build the gates in the middle and just probe scout. SoO 100% of the time was going to go 2 hatch before pool in that scenario, and it really would not matter.
On September 19 2014 19:20 duckk wrote: soo is really showing why he consistently makes it far, and stats is showing how you dont prepare for a series. stats has been doing predictable openings and just trying to rely on skill and scouting. There is no world where stats should have not proxy 2 gated on nimbus after soo's g1/g2 builds and the way he was being outclassed and got a win off two bad engagements of soo.. It would have been a build order win and messed with soo's mindset for g4. Soo has been doing different openings, tricky tech switches and really knows how to play a series.
Well, Stats did go proxy DTs. And how would he scout soO on Nimbus?
I was referring to very early game openers before being scouted. You build the gates in the middle and just probe scout. SoO 100% of the time was going to go 2 hatch before pool in that scenario, and it really would not matter.
Soultrains these days are so half arsed -.- Parting used to hit faster, with more forcefields and +1...all to do some fancy warp prism harassment that's never going to do anything.
On September 19 2014 19:26 Teoita wrote: Soultrains these days are so half arsed -.- Parting used to hit faster, with more forcefields and +1...all to do some fancy warp prism harassment that's never going to do anything.
I'm not impressed.
thats why he held stats push so easily , parting and soO were on the same team ^^
Too easy for soO. Meeting soO before finals is just being doomed. That guy never loses before finals, when will he actually get the recognition he deserves ? Three finals in a row, semifinals at least here -if you ask me, he or Cure win. How amazing does that guy need to be to be called the best Z and possibly the best player on the planet ?
On September 19 2014 19:20 duckk wrote: soo is really showing why he consistently makes it far, and stats is showing how you dont prepare for a series. stats has been doing predictable openings and just trying to rely on skill and scouting. There is no world where stats should have not proxy 2 gated on nimbus after soo's g1/g2 builds and the way he was being outclassed and got a win off two bad engagements of soo.. It would have been a build order win and messed with soo's mindset for g4. Soo has been doing different openings, tricky tech switches and really knows how to play a series.
Well, Stats did go proxy DTs. And how would he scout soO on Nimbus?
I was referring to very early game openers before being scouted. You build the gates in the middle and just probe scout. SoO 100% of the time was going to go 2 hatch before pool in that scenario, and it really would not matter.
Has that been done in any pro game ever?
I feel a cannon rush would be better vs 3 hatch.
Ive seen soo practice vs cannon rushes recently, and he knows when to scout for it, where to put the drones, and is capable of holding cannon rushes with 2 hatch before pool, proxy 2 gate is just autowin.
I dont know if it's protoss-finalophobia or simply finalophobia for soo. I hope it's the former because he really deserves a trophy with this performance
Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
On September 19 2014 19:29 Lunareste wrote: dude if soO makes it to the finals and loses again...what do you think he'll do?
Probably just advance to a fifth the following season. This guy's mental fortitude is impressive, most players would have been broken down to nothing after losing a third final in the same mu the way he did.
I am not surprised about the last game. Apparently hydras is the correct response to an immortal all in on overgrowth. That was not well prepared by Stats.
On September 14 2014 16:15 ROOTCatZ wrote:
I play many custom games with PartinG, I can still beat him when he's playing "like practice" and then brainstorm on his strategy and what he can improve upon, for instance, last time he had TRUE in his group he was preparing an immortal all in on Overgrowth, in practice, he won every time I went Roach (about 2-3 times) and I managed to win every time I responded by going Hydra (4 times or so) then we figured out if TRUE goes Roach he's good, but if he goes Hydra he needs a better approach so I suggested sniping the 3rd, recalling and playing a macro game from there, and then he was able to stabilize the next couple of games after that.
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
On September 19 2014 19:27 Redrot wrote: so why is the immortal sentry allin so weak now? what did zerg get to make it weaker?
They can go hydras without being horribly behind in the midgame. In WoL hydras were much much worse for a variety of reasons.
That is true but I've seen players losing even with Hydras. Point is, this push would've been a lot stronger if he didn't go for Warp Prism early for no reason.
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
On September 19 2014 19:27 Redrot wrote: so why is the immortal sentry allin so weak now? what did zerg get to make it weaker?
They can go hydras without being horribly behind in the midgame. In WoL hydras were much much worse for a variety of reasons.
That is true but I've seen players losing even with Hydras. Point is, this push would've been a lot stronger if he didn't go for Warp Prism early for no reason.
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
I'm just not a fan of having to many royal roaders. It should stay something special IMO, so I'd rather not have someone walk that road again, just 2 seasons after Zest and Dear. Cure can win RBBG Washington and I'd be fine with that (although I prefer DRG as a winner).
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
Maybe he doesn't like Cure
Who doesn't like a Terran royal roader.
I don't particularly care for him either. I mean, I'd rather see him win than soO or Zest, but I wouldn't applaud if he won
On September 19 2014 19:27 Redrot wrote: so why is the immortal sentry allin so weak now? what did zerg get to make it weaker?
They can go hydras without being horribly behind in the midgame. In WoL hydras were much much worse for a variety of reasons.
That is true but I've seen players losing even with Hydras. Point is, this push would've been a lot stronger if he didn't go for Warp Prism early for no reason.
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
He would be at least the third Royal Roader (maybe fourth) in a row.
On September 19 2014 19:30 Xoronius wrote: Hm, I'm not evenm sure, if that is a good thing for soO. Now he will probably cancelling DH to focus on GSL semis and probably has to beat Rain/Zest to qualify for Blizzcon.. Or just hope, that sOs gets 0-2ed at RBBG. DH would be easier points for him
Anyway, no protoss winning this season from out of nowhere, so I guess, this is a good result. If Inno now beats Cure, I'm happy with this seasons champion, whoever it will be.
Please tell me, how could you not be happy with a Cure win ? That guy is playing amazing recently, and everyone knows for a LOOONG time he's got like endless potential.
He would be at least the third Royal Roader (maybe fourth) in a row.
Classic wasn't a royal roader, but yes, that is the direction, in which I was thinking.
On September 19 2014 19:27 Redrot wrote: so why is the immortal sentry allin so weak now? what did zerg get to make it weaker?
They can go hydras without being horribly behind in the midgame. In WoL hydras were much much worse for a variety of reasons.
That is true but I've seen players losing even with Hydras. Point is, this push would've been a lot stronger if he didn't go for Warp Prism early for no reason.
Yeah 100% agree
I just don't get it, Protoss players were using Warp Prism with Sentries to Force Field the entrance and destroy Zerg's main. Nowadays, all they do is Force Field Queens or two, maybe some drones and then it gets utterly destroyed/repelled. It doesn't do enough economic damage, it forces Zerg to make a bit more units instead of drones and gives him idea of what are you doing if he didn't manage to scout. You are just doing Zerg a favor because your Immortal push is coming later, and you forced Zerg to make units that are already needed for Immortal push anyway.
But I am not pro, maybe I am missing something, however so far in Proleague and GSL, I've yet to see when this kind of drop to Force Field drones and/or Queens has achieved something useful.
On September 19 2014 19:27 Redrot wrote: so why is the immortal sentry allin so weak now? what did zerg get to make it weaker?
They can go hydras without being horribly behind in the midgame. In WoL hydras were much much worse for a variety of reasons.
That is true but I've seen players losing even with Hydras. Point is, this push would've been a lot stronger if he didn't go for Warp Prism early for no reason.
Yeah 100% agree
I just don't get it, Protoss players were using Warp Prism with Sentries to Force Field the entrance and destroy Zerg's main. Nowadays, all they do is Force Field Queens or two, maybe some drones and then it gets utterly destroyed/repelled. It doesn't do enough economic damage, it forces Zerg to make a bit more units instead of drones and gives him idea of what are you doing if he didn't manage to scout. You are just doing Zerg a favor because your Immortal push is coming later, and you forced Zerg to make units that are already needed for Immortal push anyway.
But I am not pro, maybe I am missing something, however so far in Proleague and GSL, I've yet to see when this kind of drop to Force Field drones and/or Queens has achieved something useful.
On September 19 2014 19:27 Redrot wrote: so why is the immortal sentry allin so weak now? what did zerg get to make it weaker?
They can go hydras without being horribly behind in the midgame. In WoL hydras were much much worse for a variety of reasons.
That is true but I've seen players losing even with Hydras. Point is, this push would've been a lot stronger if he didn't go for Warp Prism early for no reason.
Yeah 100% agree
I just don't get it, Protoss players were using Warp Prism with Sentries to Force Field the entrance and destroy Zerg's main. Nowadays, all they do is Force Field Queens or two, maybe some drones and then it gets utterly destroyed/repelled. It doesn't do enough economic damage, it forces Zerg to make a bit more units instead of drones and gives him idea of what are you doing if he didn't manage to scout. You are just doing Zerg a favor because your Immortal push is coming later, and you forced Zerg to make units that are already needed for Immortal push anyway.
But I am not pro, maybe I am missing something, however so far in Proleague and GSL, I've yet to see when this kind of drop to Force Field drones and/or Queens has achieved something useful.
Wow these wins of Zest. Literally out of all Protoss players he played, only Rain managed to take more than 1 game from, once Rain won 2-1, once Zest won 4-2.
On September 19 2014 20:08 Undead1993 wrote: just saw dlo's prediction wtf?
He did his research
Whilst under the influence of alcohol and hookers. After watching Chelsea draw with Schalke! Whilst being shouted at by Lichter......and hearing dogs howl outside....
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
Zest had alot more practice in PvP the past month.
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
He was like this in the KeSPA Cup too.
having to play only pvp at kespa cup made him a pvp monster i guess
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
Zest had alot more practice in PvP the past month.
Whole of KESPA cup he played PvP. But that still isn't the main reason for the result thus far.
On September 19 2014 20:22 RandomPlayer wrote: Zest pvp bonjwa.. especially after that kespa cup he won with pure pvp!! insane! does this mean pvp is not luck based but only skill? I think so!
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
He was like this in the KeSPA Cup too.
Yeah but arguably he didn't play a player as good as Rain. Classic, Pigbaby, sOs and herO are all very good, but I think Rain is better ; and Zest is showing today he's still another class. I'll still watch out for the reverse which Rain is capable of, but the last two games were nothing short of impressive by the KT toss.
On September 19 2014 20:22 RandomPlayer wrote: Zest pvp bonjwa.. especially after that kespa cup he won with pure pvp!! insane! does this mean pvp is not luck based but only skill? I think so!
oz was right all along
Not really, nexus cannon is what's turned this mu around. Before that it was horrible
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
He was like this in the KeSPA Cup too.
Yeah but arguably he didn't play a player as good as Rain. Classic, Pigbaby, sOs and herO are all very good, but I think Rain is better ; and Zest is showing today he's still another class. I'll still watch out for the reverse which Rain is capable of, but the last two games were nothing short of impressive by the KT toss.
He played the gauntlet of WCS NA Champion, WCS Korea Champion, and the pair that were champion / runner up to every event they went to, definitely not as good as Rain.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
On September 19 2014 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: Jesus Christ, last times Rain played Zest he looked really at ease in the match-up, but Zest is playing like a fucking GOD.
He was like this in the KeSPA Cup too.
Yeah but arguably he didn't play a player as good as Rain. Classic, Pigbaby, sOs and herO are all very good, but I think Rain is better ; and Zest is showing today he's still another class. I'll still watch out for the reverse which Rain is capable of, but the last two games were nothing short of impressive by the KT toss.
He played the gauntlet of WCS NA Champion, WCS Korea Champion, and the pair that were champion / runner up to every event they went to, definitely not as good as Rain.
I said they were VERY good. I thought Rain was still better than them in PvP, that's all, I didn't say Zest's run was not unbelievable and he only beat pushovers.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
The power rank isn't about predicting the future, it'a about who is the best based on current results. Who would you have put in the 1 slot? Pretty much every player had a knock against them.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
The power rank isn't about predicting the future, it'a about who is the best based on current results. Who would you have put in the 1 slot? Pretty much every player had a knock against them.
Zest out of respect for his overall work or Flash for his amazing month.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
You people saying power rank was bs are wrong. Rain was at the time ridicilously strong, even better then Flash, despite him winning everything.
The thing is that he decided to leave SKT shortly after that, after that I don't know what he is going through.
Perhaps he doesn't practice as much, going thorugh change is always tough. He has not win a series after that. He has lost games absolutely should won (Bomber, YongHwa..)
I'm hoping he pulls through this, but Zest IS mechanicaly and mentally stronger ATM.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
On September 19 2014 20:35 REyeM wrote: You people saying power rank was bs are wrong. Rain was at the time ridicilously strong, even better then Flash, despite him winning everything.
The thing is that he decided to leave SKT shortly after that, after that I don't know what he is going through.
Perhaps he doesn't practice as much, going thorugh change is always tough. He has not win a series after that. He has lost games absolutely should won (Bomber, YongHwa..)
I'm hoping he pulls through this, but Zest IS mechanicaly and mentally stronger ATM.
At this level you just don't get worse after 2-3 weeks. But a powerrank is based on limited information, and based on that we can make estimations. Given that we now have more information, it seems fair to rank Rain somewhat lower than Zest, Soo and Flash.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
Ha ha I don't know why I actually voted for Zest though I wanted Rain to win. Maybe I thought I had some Artosis curse in me, but in the end I'll take the 3 points ^^
On September 19 2014 20:24 Morbidius wrote: Rain #1 seems more ridiculous each passing minute.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
MMA > Rain? Seriously?
But but he won DH Moscow!
literally 10 x the player
MMA: Dreamhack, GSL, WCS EU, Blizzcon 2014 appearance Rain: OSL from forever ago and Hot6ix ezpz cup I think it's pretty obvious that MMA might even be 11x
Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
On September 19 2014 20:37 Morbidius wrote: Artosis sounds so defeated and sad. He should really keep his bias out of the cast.
This times infinity.
Having every caster be neutral all the time gets boring for me.. i like the casters to have favorites, makes each show a bit different imo.
It's OK to have a little favoritism, but Artosis takes it to the extreme. For god's sake, he curses players inadvertently and everyone knows it. He was fellating Rain this season pretty bad.
Welcome to SC2 PR, there's a reason why they were adverse about even having one in the first place for all these years and having it go on hiatus. The game is still way too volatile.
The Rain placement was ridiculous and fanboyish without these 2 flops, he hadn't won anything big, he was placed at #1 merely because of a good streak.
beating quality players is more indicative of skill than titles
Titles matter more because that's when players are trying their hardest and have everything on the line. Flash should have been #1 for august. As for september Zest is the #1 without a shadow of a doubt, soO will get the 2# due to the inevitable final.
mma > rain? titles don't say anything
e:except for gsl i guess
I don't know, Bomber destroyed Rain so i think MMA stands a chance.
MMA > Rain? Seriously?
But but he won DH Moscow!
literally 10 x the player
MMA: Dreamhack, GSL, WCS EU, Blizzcon 2014 appearance Rain: OSL from forever ago and Hot6ix ezpz cup I think it's pretty obvious that MMA might even be 11x
Plus MMA should make it to Blizzcon while Rain won't
On September 19 2014 20:35 REyeM wrote: You people saying power rank was bs are wrong. Rain was at the time ridicilously strong, even better then Flash, despite him winning everything.
The thing is that he decided to leave SKT shortly after that, after that I don't know what he is going through.
Perhaps he doesn't practice as much, going thorugh change is always tough. He has not win a series after that. He has lost games absolutely should won (Bomber, YongHwa..)
I'm hoping he pulls through this, but Zest IS mechanicaly and mentally stronger ATM.
At this level you just don't get worse after 2-3 weeks. But a powerrank is based on limited information, and based on that we can make estimations. Given that we now have more information, it seems fair to rank Rain somewhat lower than Zest, Soo and Flash.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
Bogus TvP looks sloppy, but i agree with you on the Cure part. I dont see Zest winning that.
On September 19 2014 20:35 REyeM wrote: You people saying power rank was bs are wrong. Rain was at the time ridicilously strong, even better then Flash, despite him winning everything.
The thing is that he decided to leave SKT shortly after that, after that I don't know what he is going through.
Perhaps he doesn't practice as much, going thorugh change is always tough. He has not win a series after that. He has lost games absolutely should won (Bomber, YongHwa..)
I'm hoping he pulls through this, but Zest IS mechanicaly and mentally stronger ATM.
At this level you just don't get worse after 2-3 weeks. But a powerrank is based on limited information, and based on that we can make estimations. Given that we now have more information, it seems fair to rank Rain somewhat lower than Zest, Soo and Flash.
Flash, really? That hype train exploded.
He won one of the most stacked tournaments of the year. The hype train delivered. It wasn't too much or too little. It just delivered.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
the return of the machine is a nice name for a film
On September 19 2014 20:35 REyeM wrote: You people saying power rank was bs are wrong. Rain was at the time ridicilously strong, even better then Flash, despite him winning everything.
The thing is that he decided to leave SKT shortly after that, after that I don't know what he is going through.
Perhaps he doesn't practice as much, going thorugh change is always tough. He has not win a series after that. He has lost games absolutely should won (Bomber, YongHwa..)
I'm hoping he pulls through this, but Zest IS mechanicaly and mentally stronger ATM.
At this level you just don't get worse after 2-3 weeks. But a powerrank is based on limited information, and based on that we can make estimations. Given that we now have more information, it seems fair to rank Rain somewhat lower than Zest, Soo and Flash.
Flash, really? That hype train exploded.
He won one of the most stacked tournaments of the year. The hype train delivered. It wasn't too much or too little. It just delivered.
Maybe he could make the round of 8 in the GSL. He never has in two years of SC2.
On September 19 2014 20:35 REyeM wrote: You people saying power rank was bs are wrong. Rain was at the time ridicilously strong, even better then Flash, despite him winning everything.
The thing is that he decided to leave SKT shortly after that, after that I don't know what he is going through.
Perhaps he doesn't practice as much, going thorugh change is always tough. He has not win a series after that. He has lost games absolutely should won (Bomber, YongHwa..)
I'm hoping he pulls through this, but Zest IS mechanicaly and mentally stronger ATM.
At this level you just don't get worse after 2-3 weeks. But a powerrank is based on limited information, and based on that we can make estimations. Given that we now have more information, it seems fair to rank Rain somewhat lower than Zest, Soo and Flash.
Flash, really? That hype train exploded.
He won one of the most stacked tournaments of the year. The hype train delivered. It wasn't too much or too little. It just delivered.
Maybe he could make the round of 8 in the GSL. He never has in two years of SC2.
So what... Doesn't cancel his IEM run from qualifiers to the actual event.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
On September 19 2014 20:37 Morbidius wrote: Artosis sounds so defeated and sad. He should really keep his bias out of the cast.
This times infinity.
Having every caster be neutral all the time gets boring for me.. i like the casters to have favorites, makes each show a bit different imo.
It's OK to have a little favoritism, but Artosis takes it to the extreme. For god's sake, he curses players inadvertently and everyone knows it. He was fellating Rain this season pretty bad.
Admittedly out of all of the casters i watch alot, Artosis (and rifkin) do take it to the extreme at times. I dunno, his #passion for his favorite players is one the reasons i like artosis. horses for courses i guess
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
Flash plays just like Bogus so that might help, but Cure's style is really unique.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
zest's pvt looks weak imo, something that requires too much times to be fixed
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
zest's pvt looks weak imo, something that requires too much times to be fixed
Don't exaggerate it. Its still good enough to roll lower tier terrans as he demonstrated against Bunny and Yoda recently. He even beat Polt, one of the best TvPers out there.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
Don't think Flash can help him prepare very well against Cure's style, and Bogus also plays midgame quite differently, but I feel like Zest will have to change his PvT style if he reaches the final; he showed so much in IEM.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
zest's pvt looks weak imo, something that requires too much times to be fixed
Ah don't exxagerate it. Its still good enough to roll lower tier terrans as he demonstrated against Bunny and Yoda recently. He even beat Polt, one of the best TvPers out there.
i agree but i was referring to an eventual zest-cure/innovation opposition
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
With flash in his corner I think he has a decent chance.
zest's pvt looks weak imo, something that requires too much times to be fixed
Don't exaggerate it. Its still good enough to roll lower tier terrans as he demonstrated against Bunny and Yoda recently. He even beat Polt, one of the best TvPers out there.
I'm pretty impressed that Zest hasn't really dropped off. While I love Rain, and don't feel he showed his best games it is nice to finally have a clear best Protoss who has shown some longevity.
I think Cure will royal road here. Reasons: He has Maru to practice his TvT with, god knows who Inno has and TvT has always been his weakest matchup. He destroyed Zest in the RO32, i'm sure he can do it again. soO loves his 2nd place too much.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
Bogus TvP looks sloppy, but i agree with you on the Cure part. I dont see Zest winning that.
Cure still needs to prove himself, I feel like some of you guys already give him too much credit. Right now he could be the typical player that reaches the Ro4 once and never makes it into Code S again. (Except for the next season since he already earned his spot.). For reference see RoRo.
Innovation could become the first 2x GSL Champion in HotS... And he's my fav player. 3:0 DRG was not very surprising IMO. DRG is nowhere near as good as he used to be and Innovation, well he's Innovation. Even if he's not at his peak it's still enough to beat 97% of the players who are at their peak. Is it enough to beat Zest? Probably not...
SoO, todays matches were like Germany vs Brazil... SoO vs Zest will probably be more like Germany vs Argentinia. Really looking forward to these games! 4:3 Zest, calling it right now.
Zest hast been the strongest player for a couple of months now. He is the clear favorite to win his second GSL title.
Tl,dr: Zest vs Innovation finals, with Zest winning 4:2.
With that loss Zest becomes the 4th ever person to sweep Rain in Bo5+. The previous three players were: INnoVation-------- MLG Pro Circuit 2013 Winter Championship TaeJa---------------WCS 2013 Season 2 Grand Finals Soulkey-------------WCS 2013 Season 3 Korea Code S
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
Bogus TvP looks sloppy, but i agree with you on the Cure part. I dont see Zest winning that.
Cure still needs to prove himself, I feel like some of you guys already give him too much credit. Right now he could be the typical player that reaches the Ro4 once and never makes it into Code S again. (Except for the next season since he already earned his spot.). For reference see RoRo.
Innovation could become the first 2x GSL Champion in HotS... And he's my fav player. 3:0 DRG was not very surprising IMO. DRG is nowhere near as good as he used to be and Innovation, well he's Innovation. Even if he's not at his peak it's still enough to beat 97% of the players who are at their peak. Is it enough to beat Zest? Probably not...
SoO, todays matches were like Germany vs Brazil... SoO vs Zest will probably be more like Germany vs Argentinia. Really looking forward to these games! 4:3 Zest, calling it right now.
Zest hast been the strongest player for a couple of months now. He is the clear favorite to win his second GSL title.
Tl,dr: Zest vs Innovation finals, with Zest winning 4:2.
Innovation hasn't won a GSL, he won a season finals. Much easier.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
Bogus TvP looks sloppy, but i agree with you on the Cure part. I dont see Zest winning that.
Cure still needs to prove himself, I feel like some of you guys already give him too much credit. Right now he could be the typical player that reaches the Ro4 once and never makes it into Code S again. (Except for the next season since he already earned his spot.). For reference see RoRo.
Innovation could become the first 2x GSL Champion in HotS... And he's my fav player. 3:0 DRG was not very surprising IMO. DRG is nowhere near as good as he used to be and Innovation, well he's Innovation. Even if he's not at his peak it's still enough to beat 97% of the players who are at their peak. Is it enough to beat Zest? Probably not...
SoO, todays matches were like Germany vs Brazil... SoO vs Zest will probably be more like Germany vs Argentinia. Really looking forward to these games! 4:3 Zest, calling it right now.
Zest hast been the strongest player for a couple of months now. He is the clear favorite to win his second GSL title.
Tl,dr: Zest vs Innovation finals, with Zest winning 4:2.
On September 19 2014 20:41 Morbidius wrote: Now this is awesome, doesn't matter who wins this season, it will be amazing. If cure wins - Royal Road, new terran hope and all that jazz. Inno wins - The Return of the machine Soo wins - The kong line was broken. Zest wins - we get bonjwa discussions.
Don't see Zest winning against Bogus or Cure if he doesn't improve his PvT.
Bogus TvP looks sloppy, but i agree with you on the Cure part. I dont see Zest winning that.
Cure still needs to prove himself, I feel like some of you guys already give him too much credit. Right now he could be the typical player that reaches the Ro4 once and never makes it into Code S again. (Except for the next season since he already earned his spot.). For reference see RoRo.
Innovation could become the first 2x GSL Champion in HotS... And he's my fav player. 3:0 DRG was not very surprising IMO. DRG is nowhere near as good as he used to be and Innovation, well he's Innovation. Even if he's not at his peak it's still enough to beat 97% of the players who are at their peak. Is it enough to beat Zest? Probably not...
SoO, todays matches were like Germany vs Brazil... SoO vs Zest will probably be more like Germany vs Argentinia. Really looking forward to these games! 4:3 Zest, calling it right now.
Zest hast been the strongest player for a couple of months now. He is the clear favorite to win his second GSL title.
Tl,dr: Zest vs Innovation finals, with Zest winning 4:2.
Aaaaahhhh shame on me! Inno doesn't have a GSL title, still the all the rest remains true!
Mah boy zest showing everyone that sc2 is not volatile and that it takes skill and that winner mentality to be consistent even in the most stacked tournaments. That's the heart of a champion that Flash has passed onto him to continue his legacy. We are lucky to be witnesses to his reign in sc2
On September 19 2014 21:19 illidanx wrote: I wonder if people on SKT still helped Rain to prepare for this match after his deflection.
For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
On September 19 2014 21:19 illidanx wrote: I wonder if people on SKT still helped Rain to prepare for this match after his deflection.
For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
On September 19 2014 21:19 illidanx wrote: I wonder if people on SKT still helped Rain to prepare for this match after his deflection.
For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
It would for me.
So you would abandon a friend and roommate of yours, because he has the desire to see more of the world and play overseas, which he can't do on SKT?
On September 19 2014 21:19 illidanx wrote: I wonder if people on SKT still helped Rain to prepare for this match after his deflection.
For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
It would for me.
So you would abandon a friend and roommate of yours, because he has the desire to see more of the world and play overseas, which he can't do on SKT?
On September 19 2014 21:19 illidanx wrote: I wonder if people on SKT still helped Rain to prepare for this match after his deflection.
For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
It would for me.
So you would abandon a friend and roommate of yours, because he has the desire to see more of the world and play overseas, which he can't do on SKT?
more like for easier money.
So you are not okay with your frineds making money? I don't get your point.
On September 19 2014 21:19 illidanx wrote: I wonder if people on SKT still helped Rain to prepare for this match after his deflection.
For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
It would for me.
So you would abandon a friend and roommate of yours, because he has the desire to see more of the world and play overseas, which he can't do on SKT?
more like for easier money.
So you are not okay with your frineds making money? I don't get your point.
SKT team is weak now because Rain is about to leave. That must have left some bitter feeling.
On September 19 2014 21:20 Lorning wrote: [quote] For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
It would for me.
So you would abandon a friend and roommate of yours, because he has the desire to see more of the world and play overseas, which he can't do on SKT?
more like for easier money.
So you are not okay with your frineds making money? I don't get your point.
SKT team is weak now because Rain is about to leave. That must have left some bitter feeling.
I wouldn't call a team with soO, Classic and Soulkey weak, especially not with rumors about Innovation joining. Anyway being mad at someone, because he makes the choices that benefit him instead of yourself is a really selfish point of view.
You can only go down in terms of SC2 teams when you leave SKT1. The money does matter no matter what these guys say. None of them are rich and most of them don't have the sort of skills that will lead to stable employment after their gaming careers end. I think PartinG can probably make it on his own like MC did. He is an entertainer as much as he is a player. Rain on the other hand, seems like someone who should stay in Kespa. Maybe he will reconsider. The only foreign team that would make sense would be Liquid.
On September 19 2014 22:49 esdf wrote: ohoho zest rick rolling rain-kun :DDD also stats getting rick rolled by soojwa :< guess another silver medal incoming.
If soO gets second and doesn't qualify for blizzcon I will actually freak out >.>
On September 19 2014 21:20 Lorning wrote: [quote] For the 100th time this week: Rain is still on SKT till the 30th
That's why I asked the question. If he was no longer on SKT, I didn't need to ask.
They're still friends and teammates, so why not?
they now know he is about to leave/deflect.
That doesn't influence the "friends"-part. Rain has lived with them in a teamhouse for the last years, so the rest SKT is probably closer to him than to Zest.
It would for me.
So you would abandon a friend and roommate of yours, because he has the desire to see more of the world and play overseas, which he can't do on SKT?
more like for easier money.
So you are not okay with your frineds making money? I don't get your point.
SKT team is weak now because Rain is about to leave. That must have left some bitter feeling.
Probably not. Rain could have been offered terms that didn't match his previous wage packet, like Parting probably didn't get offered as lucrative a deal.
Management knew that there was always a chance people don't re-sign, especially with Innobot among others as free agents they can get other high calibre players in.
On September 19 2014 19:26 Teoita wrote: Soultrains these days are so half arsed -.- Parting used to hit faster, with more forcefields and +1...all to do some fancy warp prism harassment that's never going to do anything.
I'm not impressed.
They dont know what it means to bet your entire soul on one attack.
On September 19 2014 22:06 CosmicSpiral wrote: Uh oh, I'm becoming the new Fionn!
are you starting to enjoy LoL more and more? o:
I wished Stats would've beat soO At least this makes zest vs soO more interesting
Fionn is on LoL now? like really?
On September 19 2014 22:28 jakethesnake wrote: Thanks to a lot of people voting for Rain to win, I'm now within 1 point of being liquibet king. Look out BeaTeR, I'm coming for you.
I'm so mad at myself for not listening to my instinct for the SKT - KT finals... -.-
On September 20 2014 00:43 shadymmj wrote: see this is why you should give up trying to predict sc2 results lol
why? One guy just made his 4th semifinal in a row and another guy advanced in pvp after winning a whole tournament based off pvp. Doesn't seem like it's as random as people act
On September 20 2014 00:43 shadymmj wrote: see this is why you should give up trying to predict sc2 results lol
why? One guy just made his 4th semifinal in a row and another guy advanced in pvp after winning a whole tournament based off pvp. Doesn't seem like it's as random as people act
Agree with shellshock, everyone seems to like to make things more random than they are.
btw any vods ? also is it really zest vs soojwa in semis? damn... that means zest won't win another title cuz soojwa has to establish his kong line even more.
On September 19 2014 22:28 jakethesnake wrote: Thanks to a lot of people voting for Rain to win, I'm now within 1 point of being liquibet king. Look out BeaTeR, I'm coming for you.
On September 19 2014 22:28 jakethesnake wrote: Thanks to a lot of people voting for Rain to win, I'm now within 1 point of being liquibet king. Look out BeaTeR, I'm coming for you.
On September 20 2014 09:12 Wombat_NI wrote: For the sake of Blizzcon best option for me is Innovation to defeat soO in the final. Want Inno to win anyway so that'd be sick.
Yeah, soO and Innovation are definitely top 16 players in the world. Blizzcon wouldn't be right without them
On September 20 2014 09:12 Wombat_NI wrote: For the sake of Blizzcon best option for me is Innovation to defeat soO in the final. Want Inno to win anyway so that'd be sick.
Yeah, soO and Innovation are definitely top 16 players in the world. Blizzcon wouldn't be right without them
Zest last 5 Pvp's: 3-0 Pigbaby, current WCS-AM champion 3-2 sOs, current World champion and IEM World champion 3-1 Classic, current GSL champion 4-1 herO, 2x IEM champion 3-0 Rain, GSL (hot6ix) Cup champion, Proleague MVP, and favourite for current best player in the world...before he played Zest.
On September 20 2014 17:19 Evil_Sheep wrote: Zest last 5 Pvp's: 3-0 Pigbaby, current WCS-AM champion 3-2 sOs, current World champion and IEM World champion 3-1 Classic, current GSL champion 4-1 herO, 2x IEM champion 3-0 Rain, GSL (hot6ix) Cup champion, Proleague MVP, and favourite for current best player in the world...before he played Zest.
Zest is a god.
What i dont like about this list of succesfull players is the fact theyre all protoss :D
On September 20 2014 17:19 Evil_Sheep wrote: Zest last 5 Pvp's: 3-0 Pigbaby, current WCS-AM champion 3-2 sOs, current World champion and IEM World champion 3-1 Classic, current GSL champion 4-1 herO, 2x IEM champion 3-0 Rain, GSL (hot6ix) Cup champion, Proleague MVP, and favourite for current best player in the world...before he played Zest.
Zest is a god.
What i dont like about this list of succesfull players is the fact theyre all protoss :D
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