★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
64%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (6)
35%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
59%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
27%
★★★- Good game (3)
27%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
9%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
18%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (4)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
32%
★★★- Good game (7)
37%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
32%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
6%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
13%
★★★- Good game (7)
44%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
38%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
100%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
43%
★★★- Good game (1)
14%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
29%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
20%
★★★- Good game (1)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
40%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
30%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (6)
60%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
57%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
29%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
75%
★★★- Good game (1)
13%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (7)
54%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
15%
★★★- Good game (1)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
15%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
33%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
33%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
YoDa must win this! VortiX must win this! TLO must win this! WCS EU S3 Premier - YoDa is at ~ 5.78 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 66.42 % of the time YoDa wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 8.71 %. ~ 33.58 % of the time YoDa loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - San is at ~ 100 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 63.03 % of the time San wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 100 %. ~ 36.97 % of the time San loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 100 %. ------------------------------------------------- - VortiX is at ~ 5.16 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 42.94 % of the time VortiX wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 12.02 %. ~ 57.06 % of the time VortiX loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TLO is at ~ 1.21 % chances to qualify for Blizzcon 2014 ~ 27.61 % of the time TLO wins this match and their Blizzcon chances go up to ~ 4.37 %. ~ 72.39 % of the time TLO loses this match and their Blizzcon chances go down to ~ 0 %.
Vortix has lost to only four players in the group stages since the actual creation of WCS Europe: Happy, Babyknight, Tefel, and Kas. He is 21-4 in matches in the group stages. He's getting through the group.
On September 18 2014 00:09 Circumstance wrote: Vortix has lost to only four players in the group stages since the actual creation of WCS Europe: Happy, Babyknight, Tefel, and Kas. He is 21-4 in matches in the group stages. He's getting through the group.
Haha, yeah he is super scary. I was not applying the correct filters apparently, because I was expecting the stats you showed to show up for me, and I saw percentages that were good, but not scared senseless good
I am hoping TLO makes it past San, but this might be a tough fight. Even if he makes it past Yoda, he has to deal with San or Vortix which will be equally difficult.
I wonder how Yoda skirts the copyright on that name, or if he really needs to. I would assume Disney would have tried to put the kibosh on any unpaid for use of their property.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
64%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
YoDa has always had strong mechanics its just he often played really dumb in the past and choked alot. Things are starting to mesh together for him recently though :D
On September 18 2014 01:32 GumBa wrote: YoDa has always had strong mechanics its just he often played really dumb in the past and choked alot. Things are starting to mesh together for him recently though :D
From the last IEM, he didn't really change regarding that. /:
On September 18 2014 01:32 GumBa wrote: YoDa has always had strong mechanics its just he often played really dumb in the past and choked alot. Things are starting to mesh together for him recently though :D
From the last IEM, he didn't really change regarding that. /:
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
59%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
27%
★★★- Good game (3)
27%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
9%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
18%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
59%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
27%
★★★- Good game (3)
27%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
9%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
18%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YoDa vs TLO Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 18 2014 01:25 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I don't like Hasuobs.
He says things like "nearly all of the vikings except four survived".
If four survived, that is not "nearly all".
His casting lacks concise comments.
He is a non-native English speaker.
actually I think it's kinda precise what he's saying. and he's displaying a very german political correctness which is showing in a pretty unbiased casting mode. compare it to tod or rotti with protoss bias, or nathanias with terran. hasu is great.
On September 18 2014 01:25 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I don't like Hasuobs.
He says things like "nearly all of the vikings except four survived".
If four survived, that is not "nearly all".
His casting lacks concise comments.
He is a non-native English speaker.
Only more reason to be more on key and prep situations/sentences you shouldn't use. That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
On the games: Even if TLO had survived that hellbat push those banshees would have ended it quick and easy.
I play no part of ZvT so I don't really understand the matchup, but wouldn't a simple wall with a Spine Crawler stop this hard? There's very little non-light damage in that composition.
Extremely greedy play, and what seemed to be just a really weak game sense. What a disappointing series! In the first game TLO spent minutes watching a growing hellion force, in full sight of his queens, and it never crossed his mind that Yoda may go for his unprotected drone lines? edit: can't spell
On September 18 2014 01:36 The_Templar wrote: TLO, why no roaches T_T
How he should know? If I see hellions coming, then I build lings, but suddenly they come as hellbats. As you saw he was very well prepared vs hellions (3 queens waited for a fight, lings were in producing etc)
On September 18 2014 01:39 Anlo wrote: That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
Reminds me of the way Day[9] would always say "hhwhat?"
On September 18 2014 01:39 Anlo wrote: That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
Reminds me of the way Day[9] would always say "hhwhat?"
"And here's Partingk comingk across the map OOOOOOH he's attackingk!" My fav caster and he's driving me to the brink of madness.
On September 18 2014 01:26 ReMinD_ wrote: Yoda suddenly 'improved' just at the time when last patch hit.
Must be because of the patch that TLO lost 32 drones to a Hellion raid he saw coming from miles!
I was mostly referring to Yoda's late success and commentators' chat before game. I don't expect for TLO to advance out of this group. He is outclassed by these players.
On September 18 2014 01:40 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I play no part of ZvT so I don't really understand the matchup, but wouldn't a simple wall with a Spine Crawler stop this hard? There's very little non-light damage in that composition.
No. Spine dies really fast to hellbat/marine. To defend without losing a lot you basically need to make blind roaches before upgrades, which is why the build is so strong (too strong according to Yoda).
On September 18 2014 01:25 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I don't like Hasuobs.
He says things like "nearly all of the vikings except four survived".
If four survived, that is not "nearly all".
His casting lacks concise comments.
He is a non-native English speaker.
Only more reason to be more on key and prep situations/sentences you shouldn't use. That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
On the games: Even if TLO had survived that hellbat push those banshees would have ended it quick and easy.
I just wish there was a single caster in the esports community who understood the difference between consolation and consolidation. Every time I hear someone say "consolidation finals" I want to punch the screen.
On September 18 2014 01:36 The_Templar wrote: TLO, why no roaches T_T
How he should know? If I see hellions coming, then I build lings, but suddenly they come as hellbats. As you saw he was very well prepared vs hellions (3 queens waited for a fight, lings were in producing etc)
yeah screw that. Roach all day errry day. Why waste 100 lings trying to kill hellbats when you can build a few roaches to deal with them much more effectively?
Maybe Blizzard just wants to proof that their changes are always good and that reverting is a bad idea. To bad they were warned about this attack when they announced the test map. x3 The solution is burrow research though !
On September 18 2014 01:39 Anlo wrote: That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
Reminds me of the way Day[9] would always say "hhwhat?"
"And here's Partingk comingk across the map OOOOOOH he's attackingk!" My fav caster and he's driving me to the brink of madness.
On September 18 2014 01:39 Anlo wrote: That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
Reminds me of the way Day[9] would always say "hhwhat?"
"And here's Partingk comingk across the map OOOOOOH he's attackingk!" My fav caster and he's driving me to the brink of madness.
He also says "einteen" instead of "eighteen". Its actually pretty funny, and I always pick it out when I hear it.
Well that build is so popular on that map that it hurts in my mind that Zergs do not expect it. We have seen it infinitive times now on televised games.
On September 18 2014 01:39 Anlo wrote: That said being a native English speaker isn't always that great either, Apollo's k's at the end of every single ing-sound is driving me crazy beyond belief.
Reminds me of the way Day[9] would always say "hhwhat?"
"And here's Partingk comingk across the map OOOOOOH he's attackingk!" My fav caster and he's driving me to the brink of madness.
On September 18 2014 01:36 The_Templar wrote: TLO, why no roaches T_T
How he should know? If I see hellions coming, then I build lings, but suddenly they come as hellbats. As you saw he was very well prepared vs hellions (3 queens waited for a fight, lings were in producing etc)
yeah screw that. Roach all day errry day. Why waste 100 lings trying to kill hellbats when you can build a few roaches to deal with them much more effectively?
? If he didnt transitionsed to hellbats then roaches are rather useless/wasted. Speedlings+queens good enough against hellions.
On September 18 2014 01:52 boxerfred wrote: TLO and Vortix better hope that San advances first place to dodge his PvZ. Vortix might manage to beat Yoda. My liquibets are on the koreans though.
yeah nothing else but the koreans advancing would be shoking here; even though that would be cool for Vortix to reach the RO8 once more !
On September 18 2014 01:45 Glorfindel! wrote: Well that build is so popular on that map that it hurts in my mind that Zergs do not expect it. We have seen it infinitive times now on televised games.
You can expect it, but that doesn't help if you don't blind counter it with super quick roaches, and if you do that you're way behind if he doesn't do that build.
On September 18 2014 01:52 boxerfred wrote: TLO and Vortix better hope that San advances first place to dodge his PvZ. Vortix might manage to beat Yoda. My liquibets are on the koreans though.
yeah nothing else but the koreans advancing would be shoking here; even though that would be cool for Vortix to reach the RO8 once more !
I actually think Vortix has good chances vs. Yoda. But as always, Ro16 is way too strong for TLO.
On September 18 2014 01:45 Glorfindel! wrote: Well that build is so popular on that map that it hurts in my mind that Zergs do not expect it. We have seen it infinitive times now on televised games.
You can expect it, but that doesn't help if you don't blind counter it with super quick roaches, and if you do that you're way behind if he doesn't do that build.
What about trying 1/1 roach timings or 2/2 roach hydra stuff then? Taking a different approach from the beginning to dodge that attack? I feel like even nydus play might be a good option then - make overgrowth the map where you throw your occasional all-in into the series. Especially in tournament games where you should have a match plan that goes farther than "3base drone yolo"
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
I am thinking of taking next wednesday off so I can sleep a bit longer after coming back from cologne to watch wcs eu and then maybe making The ro4 thread.
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
On September 18 2014 02:01 GumBa wrote: I am thinking of taking next wednesday off so I can sleep a bit longer after coming back from cologne to watch wcs eu and then maybe making The ro4 thread.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (4)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
On September 18 2014 01:45 Glorfindel! wrote: Well that build is so popular on that map that it hurts in my mind that Zergs do not expect it. We have seen it infinitive times now on televised games.
You can expect it, but that doesn't help if you don't blind counter it with super quick roaches, and if you do that you're way behind if he doesn't do that build.
What about trying 1/1 roach timings or 2/2 roach hydra stuff then? Taking a different approach from the beginning to dodge that attack? I feel like even nydus play might be a good option then - make overgrowth the map where you throw your occasional all-in into the series. Especially in tournament games where you should have a match plan that goes farther than "3base drone yolo"
No matter what build you do you're not going to have shit to defend 6 hellbats and 6 marines being healed in your natural at 7:40. That's what I meant by having to make roaches before upgrades and everything else which means that you are behind against other things. If you're going 1/1 roach you don't get your first roaches out until after 8 min if you saturate 2 bases.
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
#DeleteBothRacesIDontPlay
Literally the only possible outcome of a #Dreampatch
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
#DeleteBothRacesIDontPlay
Literally the only possible outcome of a #Dreampatch
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
#DeleteBothRacesIDontPlay
Literally the only possible outcome of a #Dreampatch
Beginning of HOTS was most balanced SC2 has ever been, winrate wise, I'd go for that.
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
#DeleteBothRacesIDontPlay
Literally the only possible outcome of a #Dreampatch
Oh god ZvZ all day would make me quit in a heartbeat.
On September 18 2014 02:01 boxerfred wrote: I'm suggesting #dreamPatch where a full ladder season is being reverted into the most wanted, voted by community, patch ever. #bringBackAmulet
#DeleteBothRacesIDontPlay
Literally the only possible outcome of a #Dreampatch
On September 18 2014 01:45 Glorfindel! wrote: Well that build is so popular on that map that it hurts in my mind that Zergs do not expect it. We have seen it infinitive times now on televised games.
You can expect it, but that doesn't help if you don't blind counter it with super quick roaches, and if you do that you're way behind if he doesn't do that build.
What about trying 1/1 roach timings or 2/2 roach hydra stuff then? Taking a different approach from the beginning to dodge that attack? I feel like even nydus play might be a good option then - make overgrowth the map where you throw your occasional all-in into the series. Especially in tournament games where you should have a match plan that goes farther than "3base drone yolo"
No matter what build you do you're not going to have shit to defend 6 hellbats and 6 marines being healed in your natural at 7:40. That's what I meant by having to make roaches before upgrades and everything else which means that you are behind against other things. If you're going 1/1 roach you don't get your first roaches out until after 8 min if you saturate 2 bases.
I really cant understand why Zergs dont put a roach warren. It's ok to put it at 6:25, after the third base. Ok, it's 150 minerals, but early roaches are great against hellion, hellbat, and marines. You are obviously mining gas cause of the ling speed and upgrades. It's only 150 min + 1 drone and it can save you from everything aggressive from the terran in the before-lair part of the game
That base save is like when you get away with 12 hp in dota, and you insist you were in full control the whole time when the opponents call you a lucker.
On September 18 2014 02:18 Squat wrote: That base save is like when you get away with 12 hp in dota, and you insist you were in full control the whole time when the opponents call you a lucker.
On September 18 2014 01:45 Glorfindel! wrote: Well that build is so popular on that map that it hurts in my mind that Zergs do not expect it. We have seen it infinitive times now on televised games.
You can expect it, but that doesn't help if you don't blind counter it with super quick roaches, and if you do that you're way behind if he doesn't do that build.
What about trying 1/1 roach timings or 2/2 roach hydra stuff then? Taking a different approach from the beginning to dodge that attack? I feel like even nydus play might be a good option then - make overgrowth the map where you throw your occasional all-in into the series. Especially in tournament games where you should have a match plan that goes farther than "3base drone yolo"
No matter what build you do you're not going to have shit to defend 6 hellbats and 6 marines being healed in your natural at 7:40. That's what I meant by having to make roaches before upgrades and everything else which means that you are behind against other things. If you're going 1/1 roach you don't get your first roaches out until after 8 min if you saturate 2 bases.
I really cant understand why Zergs dont put a roach warren. It's ok to put it at 6:25, after the third base. Ok, it's 150 minerals, but early roaches are great against hellion, hellbat, and marines. You are obviously mining gas cause of the ling speed and upgrades. It's only 150 min + 1 drone and it can save you from everything aggressive from the terran in the before-lair part of the game
A roach warren doesn't help unless you're planning on building roaches. What's going to trigger you to cut your econ really early and delay your build to make roaches? You can't just make roaches because you see hellions since that's the standard play from terran. You can't scout with an overlord if the terran places his buildings good since he has marines out. That's why I'm saying you have to assume it's that build and blindly make units if you don't want to take a lot of damage.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
32%
★★★- Good game (7)
37%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
32%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend San vs VortiX Game 2?
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On September 18 2014 02:24 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Seems weird to me that people are giving this 2 stars despite that Hatchery survival and San's solid hold.
On September 18 2014 02:24 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Seems weird to me that people are giving this 2 stars despite that Hatchery survival and San's solid hold.
On September 18 2014 02:24 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Seems weird to me that people are giving this 2 stars despite that Hatchery survival and San's solid hold.
On September 18 2014 02:24 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Seems weird to me that people are giving this 2 stars despite that Hatchery survival and San's solid hold.
On September 18 2014 02:32 Ace Frehley wrote: This is so strange If vortix doesn't make a lot of lings he dies to this But now he is so behind in workers
Should he have invested in spines instead of so many lings?
On September 18 2014 02:32 Ace Frehley wrote: This is so strange If vortix doesn't make a lot of lings he dies to this But now he is so behind in workers
Should he have invested in spines instead of so many lings?
On September 18 2014 02:32 Ace Frehley wrote: This is so strange If vortix doesn't make a lot of lings he dies to this But now he is so behind in workers
Should he have invested in spines instead of so many lings?
I'm never able to properly gauge a Zerg's worker count and what it means, since at any time they can add thirteen in a single production cycle.
On September 18 2014 02:32 Ace Frehley wrote: This is so strange If vortix doesn't make a lot of lings he dies to this But now he is so behind in workers
Should he have invested in spines instead of so many lings?
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44%
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38%
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As much I've be known to dislike protoss, San played this much better than Vortix overall. These roach/hydra builds against what San is doing just are not very good.
On September 18 2014 02:38 Squat wrote: As much I've be known to dislike protoss, San played this much better than Vortix overall. These roach/hydra builds against what San is doing just are not very good.
I have no idea why he went corruptors instead of vipers in that situation. With so many blink stalkers corruptors are just going to die too quick.
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On September 18 2014 02:38 Squat wrote: As much I've be known to dislike protoss, San played this much better than Vortix overall. These roach/hydra builds against what San is doing just are not very good.
roach/hydras is against everything P 200/200 weak.
On September 18 2014 02:40 Circumstance wrote: Please, please, PLEASE let America not be on the same weekend.
24h sc2
When I have a mandatory field trip.
RIP
I wanted to go back to watch it live again! And the only make-up weekend for the field trip is the pre-Blizzcon weekend. So I can either miss the last season finals of the year, or I can miss the first round of the Global Finals.
ANY other weekend, ESL America, PLEASE! D:
(Also, mandatory field trips as a college sophomore are apparently a thing.)
On September 18 2014 02:38 Squat wrote: As much I've be known to dislike protoss, San played this much better than Vortix overall. These roach/hydra builds against what San is doing just are not very good.
roach/hydras is against everything P 200/200 weak.
Well you either need to trade before P maxes, or just not max on bad units. Maxing on roach/hydra and then doing nothing is akin to just GGing then and there.
Really, swarm host/viper builds would have destroyed that army from San.
On September 18 2014 02:48 GumBa wrote: If it works out I would watch gsl finals then get on a train to cologne for eu finals and come back at night for am finals
That sounds like a eSports marathon if ever one existed
On September 18 2014 02:48 GumBa wrote: If it works out I would watch gsl finals then get on a train to cologne for eu finals and come back at night for am finals
nice passion I will probably pull an all-nighter or two
On September 18 2014 02:40 Circumstance wrote: Please, please, PLEASE let America not be on the same weekend.
24h sc2
When I have a mandatory field trip.
RIP
I wanted to go back to watch it live again! And the only make-up weekend for the field trip is the pre-Blizzcon weekend. So I can either miss the last season finals of the year, or I can miss the first round of the Global Finals.
ANY other weekend, ESL America, PLEASE! D:
(Also, mandatory field trips as a college sophomore are apparently a thing.)
Lol what? well at least you don't have mandatory reserve army, I got released from reserve last year though
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20%
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20%
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20%
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0%
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40%
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On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
I do not, but if I had to pick two Z to try it it would be TLO or CatZ. I just remember his 5 rax on Xel Naga Caverns against IrdA. Speaking of CatZ, remember his drone pull on Xel Naga caverns to kill the SCV building the Barracks?
On September 18 2014 03:19 Circumstance wrote: Reduced to 33 people still in the Blizzcon hunt.
what's your cutoff on that? in the current update (before vortix losing) I see 35 players above 0.5%, 34 above 0.6% so I guess you're looking at that? 31 above 1%
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
I do not, but if I had to pick two Z to try it it would be TLO or CatZ. I just remember his 5 rax on Xel Naga Caverns against IrdA. Speaking of CatZ, remember his drone pull on Xel Naga caverns to kill the SCV building the Barracks?
5 Rax??? TLO is way more creative than that. He made 7 Rax.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
I do not, but if I had to pick two Z to try it it would be TLO or CatZ. I just remember his 5 rax on Xel Naga Caverns against IrdA. Speaking of CatZ, remember his drone pull on Xel Naga caverns to kill the SCV building the Barracks?
5 Rax??? TLO is way more creative than that. He made 7 Rax.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
I do not, but if I had to pick two Z to try it it would be TLO or CatZ. I just remember his 5 rax on Xel Naga Caverns against IrdA. Speaking of CatZ, remember his drone pull on Xel Naga caverns to kill the SCV building the Barracks?
5 Rax??? TLO is way more creative than that. He made 7 Rax.
On September 18 2014 03:19 Circumstance wrote: Reduced to 33 people still in the Blizzcon hunt.
what's your cutoff on that? in the current update (before vortix losing) I see 35 players above 0.5%, 34 above 0.6% so I guess you're looking at that? 31 above 1%
I'm looking at players who can make it in without the benefit of the placeholder, and also being semi-realistic about Stockholm attendance ( so yeah, a little subjectivity). IMO, that means nobody below Dayshi has a mathematically real chance.
We call TLO creative cause he did weird shit way back in the day. Then we heard TLO hated being called creative and now we say it to annoy him and amuse ourselves.
On September 18 2014 03:32 stuchiu wrote: We call TLO creative cause he did weird shit way back in the day. Then we heard TLO hated being called creative and now we say it to annoy him and amuse ourselves.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
I do not, but if I had to pick two Z to try it it would be TLO or CatZ. I just remember his 5 rax on Xel Naga Caverns against IrdA. Speaking of CatZ, remember his drone pull on Xel Naga caverns to kill the SCV building the Barracks?
5 Rax??? TLO is way more creative than that. He made 7 Rax.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Four festor hit squad, never forget. Lets bring back the patch where Fungals weren't projectiles, and IT benefited from missile attack upgrades.
That wouldn't even be close to the worst nerfs to revert. 1 supply Roaches and the Warp Gate research time nerfs are the ones that immediately pop to mind, but the very worst might be bringing back 60 hp. SCVs.
On September 18 2014 03:19 Circumstance wrote: Reduced to 33 people still in the Blizzcon hunt.
what's your cutoff on that? in the current update (before vortix losing) I see 35 players above 0.5%, 34 above 0.6% so I guess you're looking at that? 31 above 1%
I'm looking at players who can make it in without the benefit of the placeholder, and also being semi-realistic about Stockholm attendance ( so yeah, a little subjectivity). IMO, that means nobody below Dayshi has a mathematically real chance.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
I do not, but if I had to pick two Z to try it it would be TLO or CatZ. I just remember his 5 rax on Xel Naga Caverns against IrdA. Speaking of CatZ, remember his drone pull on Xel Naga caverns to kill the SCV building the Barracks?
5 Rax??? TLO is way more creative than that. He made 7 Rax.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Four festor hit squad, never forget. Lets bring back the patch where Fungals weren't projectiles, and IT benefited from missile attack upgrades.
That wouldn't even be close to the worst nerfs to revert. 1 supply Roaches and the Warp Gate research time nerfs are the ones that immediately pop to mind, but the very worst might be bringing back 60 hp. SCVs.
In the beta weren't Hydras tier 1 and could get muscular augments straight away or am I talking shit? I didn't play in the beta, so I can't recall precisely.
On September 18 2014 03:19 Circumstance wrote: Reduced to 33 people still in the Blizzcon hunt.
what's your cutoff on that? in the current update (before vortix losing) I see 35 players above 0.5%, 34 above 0.6% so I guess you're looking at that? 31 above 1%
I'm looking at players who can make it in without the benefit of the placeholder, and also being semi-realistic about Stockholm attendance ( so yeah, a little subjectivity). IMO, that means nobody below Dayshi has a mathematically real chance.
I'm actually thinking of lowering the placeholder from 25% down to like 10% or 5% maybe today
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Seriously, would anyone be vehemently opposed to buffing neural parasite a bit? It's such a cool spell and so utterly feckless in the current iteration of Sc2. I just miss all the baller tricks zerg could pull with it.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Four festor hit squad, never forget. Lets bring back the patch where Fungals weren't projectiles, and IT benefited from missile attack upgrades.
That wouldn't even be close to the worst nerfs to revert. 1 supply Roaches and the Warp Gate research time nerfs are the ones that immediately pop to mind, but the very worst might be bringing back 60 hp. SCVs.
In the beta weren't Hydras tier 1 and could get muscular augments straight away or am I talking shit? I didn't play in the beta, so I can't recall precisely.
Don't remember that at all. Might have been very early in the beta, or in some alpha build. When I started playing the dominant metagame was Roach/Marauder/Immortal.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Seriously, would anyone be vehemently opposed to buffing neural parasite a bit? It's such a cool spell and so utterly feckless in the current iteration of Sc2. I just miss all the baller tricks zerg could pull with it.
I wouldn't be that opposed to it these days. There isn't much that a Zerg would neural in a typical TvZ army these days besides thors (and this would be better than in WoL considering most Terrans wouldn't have tanks to insta-kill the infestor that neuraled a thor) but I guess that could be cool. It would be more useful in ZvP and it wouldn't be as dumb now that the mothership with vortex isn't such an integral part of the lategame PvZ army.
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60%
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On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Seriously, would anyone be vehemently opposed to buffing neural parasite a bit? It's such a cool spell and so utterly feckless in the current iteration of Sc2. I just miss all the baller tricks zerg could pull with it.
I wouldn't be that opposed to it these days. There isn't much that a Zerg would neural in a typical TvZ army these days besides thors (and this would be better than in WoL considering most Terrans wouldn't have tanks to insta-kill the infestor that neuraled a thor) but I guess that could be cool. It would be more useful in ZvP and it wouldn't be as dumb now that the mothership with vortex isn't such an integral part of the lategame PvZ army.
Yeah the thing that broke it was NPing the MS and then using vortex on the protoss army, but that was broken becuase of the MS, not the NP. What could zerg do with it that would be broken these days, considering the cost and risks associated with the spell?
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Seriously, would anyone be vehemently opposed to buffing neural parasite a bit? It's such a cool spell and so utterly feckless in the current iteration of Sc2. I just miss all the baller tricks zerg could pull with it.
I wouldn't be that opposed to it these days. There isn't much that a Zerg would neural in a typical TvZ army these days besides thors (and this would be better than in WoL considering most Terrans wouldn't have tanks to insta-kill the infestor that neuraled a thor) but I guess that could be cool. It would be more useful in ZvP and it wouldn't be as dumb now that the mothership with vortex isn't such an integral part of the lategame PvZ army.
Yeah the thing that broke it was NPing the MS and then using vortex on the protoss army, but that was broken becuase of the MS, not the NP. What could zerg do with it that would be broken these days, considering the cost and risks associated with the spell?
2 way Archon Toilet, They should look at NP infestors are kind of wandering in the meta, they have uses, but they are still very fringish units in the current meta.
On September 18 2014 03:20 loft wrote: Why does everyone say TLO is so creative. He did some standard ZvZ.
It is a running Joke because people have been saying it since 2010 when he would do fucky stuff all the time as T.
Not only as Terran, remember Swarm Hosts drop ?
TLO did SH drops in 2010? That's pretty damn creative, I'll admit.
They were called Infestors back then.
Seriously, would anyone be vehemently opposed to buffing neural parasite a bit? It's such a cool spell and so utterly feckless in the current iteration of Sc2. I just miss all the baller tricks zerg could pull with it.
I wouldn't be that opposed to it these days. There isn't much that a Zerg would neural in a typical TvZ army these days besides thors (and this would be better than in WoL considering most Terrans wouldn't have tanks to insta-kill the infestor that neuraled a thor) but I guess that could be cool. It would be more useful in ZvP and it wouldn't be as dumb now that the mothership with vortex isn't such an integral part of the lategame PvZ army.
Yeah the thing that broke it was NPing the MS and then using vortex on the protoss army, but that was broken becuase of the MS, not the NP. What could zerg do with it that would be broken these days, considering the cost and risks associated with the spell?
Right exactly the removal of vortex really removed the problem with it. (Leenock vs HerO on antiga never forget fuck that game) so honestly I wouldn't mind a buff to it. It's a cool spell and an interesting concept. Taking control of a few colossus in the middle of a fight is huge and a sick play. Wish we could see more
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(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
29%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
57%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
29%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
vote pls
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On September 18 2014 04:00 Pyloss wrote: So, yeah, no interview.
Why?
I like it. What did you want ot hear? "What did you think about San's last move in Map 2, was it a good decision to move up the ramp?". "Did you practice your buildin Map1?" ?
TLO (10) vs San (2) on Merry Go Round Map 1 Score 0-0
TLO pool first San Gate into Nexus
TLO going for a third behind this San scouts the wrong position first, but finds the third immediately after that TLO making 2 lings and then droning again San going Stalker into Sentry and immediate robo!
TLO (10) vs San (2) on Merry Go Round Map 1 Score 0-0
TLO pool first San Gate into Nexus
TLO going for a third behind this San scouts the wrong position first, but finds the third immediately after that TLO making 2 lings and then droning again San going Stalker into Sentry and immediate robo!
San adds 3 more gates TLO scouts 2 of those gates San making a warp prism, then an immortal TLO drops a roach warren and makes some spores
TLO (10) vs San (2) on Merry Go Round Map 1 Score 0-0
TLO pool first San Gate into Nexus
TLO going for a third behind this San scouts the wrong position first, but finds the third immediately after that TLO making 2 lings and then droning again San going Stalker into Sentry and immediate robo
San adds 3 more gates TLO scouts 2 of those gates San making a warp prism, then an immortal TLO drops a roach warren and makes some spores
Sentry drop in the main by San, TLO has no units, but only loses 4 to 6 drones TLO cleans it up in the main San moves out with 2 immortals, and a lot of sentries... choo-choo!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
75%
★★★- Good game (1)
13%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
TLO (10) vs San (2) on Merry Go Round Map 1 Score 0-0
TLO pool first San Gate into Nexus
TLO going for a third behind this San scouts the wrong position first, but finds the third immediately after that TLO making 2 lings and then droning again San going Stalker into Sentry and immediate robo
San adds 3 more gates TLO scouts 2 of those gates San making a warp prism, then an immortal TLO drops a roach warren and makes some spores
Sentry drop in the main by San, TLO has no units, but only loses 4 to 6 drones TLO cleans it up in the main San moves out with 2 immortals, and a lot of sentries... choo-choo!
San engages at the third, kills it... TLO makes spines at his nat and counters This is not working out for TLO TLO breaks through at the natural, but is losing all his stuff TLO's roaches get cleaned up and TLO ggs
That was a seriously bad game by TLO. Really bad build or whatever made him have under 40 drones after 7 minutes and at the same supply as protoss when the attack was at his natural.
On September 18 2014 04:29 Ketch wrote: TLO (P1) vs San (P7) on OverGrowth Map 2 Score 0-1
TLO making an 11 pool! San going for...gateway first
San not playing greedy, gas first after his gate TLO adds a gas as well TLO making lings San sending out a scouting probe
TLO researching burrow Is he going to burrow a ling at the natural?? TLO pulling 4 drones?? San making zelaots! TLO bringing back his drones
San making a robo TLO burrowing lings everywhere, he blocked the natural TLO takes a natural, his third is blocked by a pylon
TLO takes a third at the 3 o'clock position Mothership core and zealots in TLO's main TLO lost his queen in the main Mothership core going to town in the main!! Spore is up in the main and repels the mothership core San is coming over with an immortal
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
15%
★★★- Good game (1)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
15%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
33%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
33%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
TLO (P1) vs San (P7) on OverGrowth Map 2 Score 0-1
TLO making an 11 pool! San going for...gateway first
San not playing greedy, gas first after his gate TLO adds a gas as well TLO making lings San sending out a scouting probe
TLO researching burrow Is he going to burrow a ling at the natural?? TLO pulling 4 drones?? San making zelaots! TLO bringing back his drones
San making a robo TLO burrowing lings everywhere, he blocked the natural TLO takes a natural, his third is blocked by a pylon
TLO takes a third at the 3 o'clock position Mothership core and zealots in TLO's main TLO lost his queen in the main Mothership core going to town in the main!! Spore is up in the main and repels the mothership core San is coming over with an immortal
San just attacks with two immortals and some gateway units and kills TLO San 2-0 TLO!
Is this WCS? Because that play from TLO was not deserving of a WCS player. Wow...I would understand doing a 10 pool on game 1, but doing it on game 2 when San is more likely to play safe. TLO lack of scouting throughout the games...I don't even...
On September 18 2014 04:33 mikumegurine wrote: SC2 needs to more often award creative play
It typically does in the beginning of a game, when strategies are not yet figured out. It was even crazier when BW came out. I think Grrr was able to win because of his creativity and ability to think of new strategies. Boxer likewise was also very creative, doing things with Terran that had never been done before. Guys like them aren't as mechanically precise as Bisu or Flash, but their impact on Starcraft is unquestionable.
And now everyone is shitting on TLO. He had to go for something. San's standard PvZ is insanely good. The build was cheeky and over the top, but it was worth a shot
On September 18 2014 04:36 Yorkie wrote: And now everyone is shitting on TLO. He had to go for something. San's standard PvZ is insanely good. The build was cheeky and over the top, but it was worth a shot
Well to be fair, San always had an advantage because TLO's lack of scouting. It always seemed like San had the advantage because TLO was always in the dark.
On September 18 2014 04:25 mikumegurine wrote: San going to be in WCS NA next season (taiwan visas)
HYPE!
Obtaining a visa isn't that simple. Hyun will be in EU, but San will probably wind up back in the GSL.
Taiwan is pretty easy to get a visa for. San's already on a Taiwanese team so it makes sense for him to move there, which will qualify him for playing in WCS NA.
On September 18 2014 04:35 ptbl wrote: Is this WCS? Because that play from TLO was not deserving of a WCS player. Wow...I would understand doing a 10 pool on game 1, but doing it on game 2 when San is more likely to play safe. TLO lack of scouting throughout the games...I don't even...
Is it just me or do you never say anything positive on this site haha
On September 18 2014 04:36 Yorkie wrote: And now everyone is shitting on TLO. He had to go for something. San's standard PvZ is insanely good. The build was cheeky and over the top, but it was worth a shot
Well to be fair, San always had an advantage because TLO's lack of scouting. It always seemed like San had the advantage because TLO was always in the dark.
Fair point. Although scouting in ZvP is tough. Maybe he should check out TL Strats new Guide on how to scout in ZvP! (Shameless plug)
On September 18 2014 04:35 ptbl wrote: Is this WCS? Because that play from TLO was not deserving of a WCS player. Wow...I would understand doing a 10 pool on game 1, but doing it on game 2 when San is more likely to play safe. TLO lack of scouting throughout the games...I don't even...
Is it just me or do you never say anything positive on this site haha
On September 17 2014 12:30 ptbl wrote: I am so happy for HerO . Glad he was able to pull through. It must have been tough and a slog, but he did what he had to do.
On September 18 2014 04:35 ptbl wrote: Is this WCS? Because that play from TLO was not deserving of a WCS player. Wow...I would understand doing a 10 pool on game 1, but doing it on game 2 when San is more likely to play safe. TLO lack of scouting throughout the games...I don't even...
Is it just me or do you never say anything positive on this site haha
On September 17 2014 12:30 ptbl wrote: I am so happy for HerO . Glad he was able to pull through. It must have been tough and a slog, but he did what he had to do.
On September 18 2014 04:35 ptbl wrote: Is this WCS? Because that play from TLO was not deserving of a WCS player. Wow...I would understand doing a 10 pool on game 1, but doing it on game 2 when San is more likely to play safe. TLO lack of scouting throughout the games...I don't even...
Is it just me or do you never say anything positive on this site haha
On September 17 2014 12:30 ptbl wrote: I am so happy for HerO . Glad he was able to pull through. It must have been tough and a slog, but he did what he had to do.
I just get disappointed hard. Liquid is my favorite team and so I always want them to do well :/
That's understandable. I rarely see someone turn so harshly on players from their fav team that's all haha.
If I didn't care about them, I wouldn't say anything. I remember staying up all night and skipping work to watch Jinro in the GSL. I have so much emotion invested in Liquid that they seem like my extended family. I can get harsh sometimes, but that doesn't mean I don't like them. They are always my faves.
On September 18 2014 04:54 Shinta) wrote: There go EU's 2 best players =(
TLO? One of EU's top 2 players? :/ I like the guy, and he's of course good, but he's so goddamn unpredictable and never wins against Koreans. There are currently a lot of better players in EU.
EPT
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