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Last quarterfinal (Zest - Yoda) to be played tomorrow along with the semifinals and finals.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#841
On August 31 2014 01:54 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 01:49 Penev wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:45 Silvana wrote:
I am around here since only a year ago. Can someone briefly explain where does all this Kespa hate come from???

To much to tell but from liquipedia:
Over time KeSPA has stirred up controversy among fans, players, and coaches over its practice in its judgment on rules. The most controversial type of disqualifications have been over sending chat messages; some of the notable players who have been disqualified are Leta and GoRush. Many people on the Internet have displayed their discontent regarding these disciplinary actions against the players.


That might explain the hate on Kespa but not on the Kespa players themselves.

Anyway thanks for the explanation guys, I think I kinda get it now. People want Kespa players to go down because of what Kespa fans said/say. I finnaly checked out that elephant article.


Well, I don't hate KeSPA players in general, just Flash specifically. And Jeadong.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#842
just woke up.. what happened with Fist vs SoS ? i undestood that yesterday SoS dismantled First.
Maru | Life | herO
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#843
I can't believe this Kespa-ESF thing is still raging on. Jesus.
(>'.')>
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#844
Just back from Guardians of Galaxy, time for God to play !
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#845
On August 31 2014 01:56 TheAnarchy wrote:
Kespa players are better and Flash is/will be the bonjwa. He already defeated many non kespa boys. Also Zest, Rain, Inno, etc. they all proved the elephant theory was correct

Baiting is fun but you have to be subtle
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#846
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
August 30 2014 16:56 GMT
#847
On August 31 2014 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC vs. Flash hyyypppppee!!!

[image loading]




the blasphemy is real T_T
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 30 2014 16:57 GMT
#848
On August 31 2014 01:56 TheAnarchy wrote:
Kespa players are better and Flash is/will be the bonjwa. He already defeated many non kespa boys. Also Zest, Rain, Inno, etc. they all proved the elephant theory was correct

lol My favorite part was the 300 people that within a few weeks of switching dominated everything.

haha, btw flash is pretty much a reason why that article is hilariously wrong.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
August 30 2014 16:57 GMT
#849
On August 31 2014 01:56 TheAnarchy wrote:
Kespa players are better and Flash is/will be the bonjwa. He already defeated many non kespa boys. Also Zest, Rain, Inno, etc. they all proved the elephant theory was correct


The elephant theory was wrong, not because BW and SC2 are too different, but because it assumed the strongest players in the past would be the strongest players in the future, a really awful assumption to make.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#850
On August 31 2014 01:55 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 01:52 Boucot wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:51 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:49 Silvana wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:47 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:45 Silvana wrote:
I am around here since only a year ago. Can someone briefly explain where does all this Kespa hate come from???

it's more just poking fun at the overhype, and how kespa fans were saying they'd be 999999999x better than everything else at SC2 and the competition before kespa was a farce


But who says Kespa players are better? I read the LR threads and all I see is people hating on Kespa and cheering against Kespa players, but I don't actually see much people seriously saying Kespa players are plain better (aside a few trolls of course).

you missed the times right before and during their switch to SC2 lol

You don't even need to go that far. Just two days ago.

I love how people like drg are now a part of the elephant because they've been absorbed by kespa. Somewhere along the way it stopped being that the current sc2 progamers (at the time) were shit in comparison and it became that kespa would just stomp everyone into the ground, and then following that it became anyone at all with a bw background was obviously better. This shit is hilarious.


I don't get it.

When did DRG dominate people and win a GSL or something?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#851
On August 31 2014 01:54 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 01:53 Zealously wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:49 Silvana wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:47 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:45 Silvana wrote:
I am around here since only a year ago. Can someone briefly explain where does all this Kespa hate come from???

it's more just poking fun at the overhype, and how kespa fans were saying they'd be 999999999x better than everything else at SC2 and the competition before kespa was a farce


But who says Kespa players are better? I read the LR threads and all I see is people hating on Kespa and cheering against Kespa players, but I don't actually see much people seriously saying Kespa players are plain better (aside a few trolls of course).


A lot of people are of the opinion that KeSPA players belong to some kind of master race (that, strangely, can adopt players but not vice versa - JD is still a KeSPA player when he wins but Parting is also one) that sit above all others. There aren't as many people in that group as there used to be in LR threads, but I promise you that whenever KeSPA is successful (or has majority in whatever tournament), someone will let you know that KeSPA won.


your proof lies in what, your name in red?


Or the fact that I've spent an absurd amount of TL. I'm not saying something new or unique, I'm surprised you'd dispute it. Do you think I'm wrong?
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#852
We'll see if Flash actually scouts.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17703 Posts
August 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#853
On August 31 2014 01:56 Cheren wrote:
I just don't get the dissonance where people say Korea is the strongest region but KesPA players aren't any better than non-KesPA players.

I think you're missing the point it's not whether they are better or not it's how highly they are hyped and how the kespa fans say non-kespa players are shit, also WCS AM/EU are not 100% korean
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TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
August 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#854
Well I dont like to fight. So I will leave haters be haters
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28503 Posts
August 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#855
On August 31 2014 01:54 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 01:49 Penev wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:45 Silvana wrote:
I am around here since only a year ago. Can someone briefly explain where does all this Kespa hate come from???

To much to tell but from liquipedia:
Over time KeSPA has stirred up controversy among fans, players, and coaches over its practice in its judgment on rules. The most controversial type of disqualifications have been over sending chat messages; some of the notable players who have been disqualified are Leta and GoRush. Many people on the Internet have displayed their discontent regarding these disciplinary actions against the players.


That might explain the hate on Kespa but not on the Kespa players themselves.

Anyway thanks for the explanation guys, I think I kinda get it now. People want Kespa players to go down because of what Kespa fans said/say. I finnaly checked out that elephant article.

Intrigue wasn't completely wrong btw; He just exaggerated it and wrote the article when the game wasn't figured out at all.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6190 Posts
August 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#856
Wow all this hype is making me so sad. Someone send me a bolt of electricity long enough to watch this rematch. Please
<3
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
August 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#857
On August 31 2014 01:56 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 01:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC vs. Flash hyyypppppee!!!

[image loading]




the blasphemy is real T_T


Your comment is even funnier because of your name :D

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"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
SFDuality
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1318 Posts
August 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#858
On August 31 2014 01:56 TheAnarchy wrote:
Kespa players are better and Flash is/will be the bonjwa. He already defeated many non kespa boys. Also Zest, Rain, Inno, etc. they all proved the elephant theory was correct

How kind of you to show up just in time to make things clear for Silvana.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#859
On August 31 2014 01:58 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 01:55 bo1b wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:52 Boucot wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:51 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:49 Silvana wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:47 Die4Ever wrote:
On August 31 2014 01:45 Silvana wrote:
I am around here since only a year ago. Can someone briefly explain where does all this Kespa hate come from???

it's more just poking fun at the overhype, and how kespa fans were saying they'd be 999999999x better than everything else at SC2 and the competition before kespa was a farce


But who says Kespa players are better? I read the LR threads and all I see is people hating on Kespa and cheering against Kespa players, but I don't actually see much people seriously saying Kespa players are plain better (aside a few trolls of course).

you missed the times right before and during their switch to SC2 lol

You don't even need to go that far. Just two days ago.

I love how people like drg are now a part of the elephant because they've been absorbed by kespa. Somewhere along the way it stopped being that the current sc2 progamers (at the time) were shit in comparison and it became that kespa would just stomp everyone into the ground, and then following that it became anyone at all with a bw background was obviously better. This shit is hilarious.


I don't get it.

When did DRG dominate people and win a GSL or something?

I think it was sometime next year? I dunno but it's def coming for sure.

I can feel it in my toe joints.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18524 Posts
August 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#860
Flash isnt the most successful esports player of all time is he?
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