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VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 22:25:51
August 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#4201
On August 30 2014 07:22 Tanzklaue wrote:
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On August 30 2014 07:20 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:18 stuchiu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:16 Caihead wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:15 Lorning wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:15 TheAnarchy wrote:
That was just.... I wonder why cant we speak about balance problems?

Cause MC outplayed Flash the entire series


Blind guessed in game 3, lost to a gamble in game 2, how is this out played?


One guy spent his week studying and making a battle plan to take out his opponent. The other guy played as normal.

The implication that MC planned almost any of that is hilarious. I know you've watched MC before and we both know that is exactly how he always plays. Literally always. Ever since GSL season 3. Seriously.

yep. since GSL open season 3 he always studies his opponennts and tailors the builds he uses against them for them specifically. MC is, just as MVP was, a tactical genie, who makes up for his lack in macro with superior strategizing and decision making.

No he doesn't. I rooted for MC since the beatdown of Rain up until he left oGs, but most of his games are builds that he's fond of or just a random smattering of all-ins and macro.

Planning is what Jangbi did to Fantasy on the last OSL.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
August 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#4202
On August 30 2014 07:22 redviper wrote:
Has Flash ever won a tournament in Sc2?

Proleague. Know its's a team tournament but he did really well + it's obviously a hard as hell tournament so.
Not any solo championships yet though
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#4203
On August 30 2014 07:22 redviper wrote:
Has Flash ever won a tournament in Sc2?


He did but not a major one and not in HotS
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#4204
On August 30 2014 07:24 Fusilero wrote:
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On August 30 2014 07:23 ThomasjServo wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:22 redviper wrote:
Has Flash ever won a tournament in Sc2?

If he has, not one you wouldn't expect him two, Kongjwa seems to be the name of the game for the big three from BW.

He won the kespa exhibition :>

Yeah, but you can't really rate that.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#4205
On August 30 2014 07:24 Boucot wrote:
Are they gonna show both matches back to back ?


last 2 matches of the night, so probably yeah

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12487 Posts
August 29 2014 22:24 GMT
#4206
WCS crushing GSL
No will to live, no wish to die
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4207
On August 30 2014 07:24 Boucot wrote:
Are they gonna show both matches back to back ?

Gotta get that flash vs hometown hero hype going
Glorious SEA doto
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4208
On August 30 2014 07:23 Caihead wrote:
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On August 30 2014 07:22 PerSe wrote:
Dunno why the fan boys are bitching. Flash played sloppy and MC played smart.


Cause everybody likes to pretend MC is a super genius when really the people innovating in PvX match ups are genius / pigbaby / sOs etc.


I completely disagree. For example when HotS came out he pioneered oracle openings, while every other Protoss was playing WoL Protoss with Mothership Core.
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4209
On August 30 2014 07:21 Caihead wrote:
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On August 30 2014 07:20 Derez wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:18 Caihead wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:17 Derez wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:16 lopido wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:14 Tanzklaue wrote:
i think if we learn anything from this tournament, then that we should stop calling "foreign koreans" or even foreigners straight up indefinitely and always worse than kespa koreans.



Start by traveling 16 straight hours, than try to play some starcraft games before opening your mouth.
foreign koreans are by far much worse than koreans.

Pretty sure MC doesn't live in Toronto either.


2-3 hour jet lag = 11-12 hour jetlag?

No idea where MC lives but if its europe than there's no real difference.


You clearly don't know how terrible 11-12 hour jetlag actually can be.


Flying to the US from Europe isn't an issue, the flight back to europe gives you way more jetlag generally.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4210
On August 30 2014 07:24 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:23 ThomasjServo wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:22 redviper wrote:
Has Flash ever won a tournament in Sc2?

If he has, not one you wouldn't expect him two, Kongjwa seems to be the name of the game for the big three from BW.

I think the only thing he's one is that exhibition tournament of all BW pros when they first switched

Can't really rate it, that was like all the KeSPA pro's interpretation of the Meta within their own little isolated circle.
dark1882
Profile Joined October 2012
Ireland529 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4211
On August 30 2014 07:13 Rollora wrote:
omg MC knows he can't win without cheese...

errr then what was the first game? :o
forge fast expand or die trying~Naniwa
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4212
On August 30 2014 07:24 FFW_Rude wrote:
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On August 30 2014 07:22 stuchiu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:19 FFW_Rude wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:17 stuchiu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:16 checkupriv wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:15 stuchiu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:14 Rollora wrote:
yeah, Protoss still cheeser race that brings you to the win even if you are an inferiour player

User was warned for this post


You must have missed when MC out macroed Flash with better deciosns and micro in g1.

the game where flash got 50 supply ahead through macro alone?


Macro isnt just about making units. Its about making the right unit compositions, right tech and right economic decisions.


Well i wouldn't call that outplayed in macro. Flash could have won that game if he hadn't overcommit so much. MC capitalized through every mistake flash made.

He did not miss a single mistake to get.

that's really impressive for MC.


Yea, MC was just smarter than Flash


The experience talked a lot in that game. You could see Flash didn't know how MC could be back like that. That was really impressive from MC

MC also really adapted to what Flash did with the 3 barracks style, while Flash didn't really seem prepared for MC's crazy style.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Gaskal
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada241 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4213
Man if Flash just didn't move those marines out he could've held easy.
"Get all the money, build all the units...kill the other guy"
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4214
Scarlett vs. Flash gonna be awesome!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4215
On August 30 2014 07:25 dark1882 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:13 Rollora wrote:
omg MC knows he can't win without cheese...

errr then what was the first game? :o

25 minute 4 base colossus templar zealot archon stalker sentry all in.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Tzyx
Profile Joined August 2010
Northern Ireland281 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4216
Damn Hyun out already. Were his games good?
spalding
Profile Joined August 2010
95 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4217
On August 30 2014 07:19 HerrHorst wrote:
Even as Terran-Player I have to say all the whining when Flash looses is just amusing.

This. I'm a huge Terran fanboy, but some of these comments are ridiculous. MC played very well in game 1 especially.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#4218
On August 30 2014 07:23 Caihead wrote:
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On August 30 2014 07:22 PerSe wrote:
Dunno why the fan boys are bitching. Flash played sloppy and MC played smart.


Cause everybody likes to pretend MC is a super genius when really the people innovating in PvX match ups are genius / pigbaby / sOs etc.


I dont think he innovated anything. We've seen all these builds befor. Hell g1 was th build MC used against Thorzain in TSL. But the series planning by MC was great. The decisions were great. Flash had only dropped maps to Zest in the past 2 months in TvP.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 22:26:13
August 29 2014 22:26 GMT
#4219
what is this shitty music? We need DH DJ or at least nasl sound guy
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18718 Posts
August 29 2014 22:26 GMT
#4220
On August 30 2014 07:25 Gaskal wrote:
Man if Flash just didn't move those marines out he could've held easy.


MC wouldnt have moved in with the void rays then
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