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To go from 40 supply ahead and on the verge of winning 2-0 to losing 1-2 and going down to the loser's bracket, how is this even possible 0.o?
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On August 21 2014 02:50 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:49 Noonius wrote:On August 21 2014 02:30 messioso wrote:
To clarify.
We had to play this series early due to too many conflicting travel arrangements. Unfortunately there are so many players attending events in the forthcoming weeks that if you include travel days it simply becomes impossible to schedule around them.
These matches were all played yesterday at the same time as Group A was for the following reasons:
San is living in Taiwan which is +6 hours from CEST. Meaning he would start at midnight, and potentially play until 5am. He has to catch a flight to Redbull Detroit early that morning and could potentially have to leave during play if we had long matches and he went to the decider match.
We suggested playing the group a few hours early to accommodate this, but ToD is currently on the west coast of the USA which is -9 hours from CEST. If we tried to play at the proposed 15:00 CEST, it would be 06:00 for him which would be inadequate for him. He also had to fly to Detroit at a similar time, as you may be aware of due to his tweets today! He will then be in Toronto for IEM the following week.
Bunny also flies to Redbull Detroit, Toronto and then onto China for WEC, which completely blocks off all other dates for the rest of the ro32 schedule.
Unfortunately Group A (the one played yesterday) also had similar issues with Snute and StarDust and so we had two groups with the exact same issues regarding scheduling and both requiring the same date to play. With this in mind, we had the choice of either forcing player(s) to miss certain events, or schedule around them, which was our preferred option as we do not wish to limit players attendance to any event.
Ultimately we decided to move the broadcast date of Group B from the 21st to the 20th to minimise the amount of time in which any leaks could occur and maintain the integrity of the broadcast. As we speak, only 4 people know the full results of the evening, which are two referees (myself and Shawn) and the two players who participated in the deciding match. All commentary is live and blind to results.
I apologise if the broadcasting from replays has had a negative experience on your evening, but you should know that this is always very much a last resort and we always intend to have matches played live and this is the first time this has happened in 6 seasons (48 groups) of WCS EU Premier.
the thing is, if people are busy or it's too late or too early for them and can't make the scheduled time, disqualify them if they are not online for the check-in. There's money on the line here and I'm sure a couple of dq's here and there and players will start taking it more seriously. Tournament will start losing it's credibility if it starts re-arranging things because of couple of players who knew well in advance when it was their time to play just couldnt make it. What? You'd rather see players DQd today than to see the games casted from replays? Insanity!
Well..I kinda agree with him. It is the most prestigious competition in SC2 (atleast for foreigners) and should be treated like that imho.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Did you hide the results for a reason?
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If Bunny plays decent -which wasn't really the case against ToD- I give him a good chance against tonight's San.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? 
So I can fiddle with the results
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On August 21 2014 02:52 Loccstana wrote:
To go from 40 supply ahead and on the verge of winning 2-0 to losing 1-2 and going down to the loser's bracket, how is this even possible 0.o?
Dark Templars  (let's add : poorly dealt with, because otherwise it looks like a balance whine)
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United States97277 Posts
On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden?
They added new options for the poll creator to temporarily hide polls or make it so it's hidden until you vote.
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On August 21 2014 02:51 CruelZeratul wrote:And that forced Morrow to play bad?
Morrow realized after the fist map that he had the chance to win against a Korean and thus he went into foreigner mode, losing the next 2 maps
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On August 21 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? So I can fiddle with the results
So the corruption of gaming journalism has even reached the TL polls?
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United States97277 Posts
On August 21 2014 02:53 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? So I can fiddle with the results So the corruption of gaming journalism has even reached the TL polls?
you could always vote from multiple IPs. Polls are super corrupt
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I hope ToD doesn't go for those very quick templars no charge openings and plays something that actually makes some sense.
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On August 21 2014 02:52 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:50 DJHelium wrote:On August 21 2014 02:49 Noonius wrote:On August 21 2014 02:30 messioso wrote:
To clarify.
We had to play this series early due to too many conflicting travel arrangements. Unfortunately there are so many players attending events in the forthcoming weeks that if you include travel days it simply becomes impossible to schedule around them.
These matches were all played yesterday at the same time as Group A was for the following reasons:
San is living in Taiwan which is +6 hours from CEST. Meaning he would start at midnight, and potentially play until 5am. He has to catch a flight to Redbull Detroit early that morning and could potentially have to leave during play if we had long matches and he went to the decider match.
We suggested playing the group a few hours early to accommodate this, but ToD is currently on the west coast of the USA which is -9 hours from CEST. If we tried to play at the proposed 15:00 CEST, it would be 06:00 for him which would be inadequate for him. He also had to fly to Detroit at a similar time, as you may be aware of due to his tweets today! He will then be in Toronto for IEM the following week.
Bunny also flies to Redbull Detroit, Toronto and then onto China for WEC, which completely blocks off all other dates for the rest of the ro32 schedule.
Unfortunately Group A (the one played yesterday) also had similar issues with Snute and StarDust and so we had two groups with the exact same issues regarding scheduling and both requiring the same date to play. With this in mind, we had the choice of either forcing player(s) to miss certain events, or schedule around them, which was our preferred option as we do not wish to limit players attendance to any event.
Ultimately we decided to move the broadcast date of Group B from the 21st to the 20th to minimise the amount of time in which any leaks could occur and maintain the integrity of the broadcast. As we speak, only 4 people know the full results of the evening, which are two referees (myself and Shawn) and the two players who participated in the deciding match. All commentary is live and blind to results.
I apologise if the broadcasting from replays has had a negative experience on your evening, but you should know that this is always very much a last resort and we always intend to have matches played live and this is the first time this has happened in 6 seasons (48 groups) of WCS EU Premier.
the thing is, if people are busy or it's too late or too early for them and can't make the scheduled time, disqualify them if they are not online for the check-in. There's money on the line here and I'm sure a couple of dq's here and there and players will start taking it more seriously. Tournament will start losing it's credibility if it starts re-arranging things because of couple of players who knew well in advance when it was their time to play just couldnt make it. What? You'd rather see players DQd today than to see the games casted from replays? Insanity! yes, I would. It's the principle of the matter.
Ok. I disagree, much prefer to have a WCS that makes it easy for the players to keep on playing other tournaments as well. I want to see players who perform well in WCS in other tournaments as well.
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On August 21 2014 02:52 Niko_Thien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:50 DJHelium wrote:On August 21 2014 02:49 Noonius wrote:On August 21 2014 02:30 messioso wrote:
To clarify.
We had to play this series early due to too many conflicting travel arrangements. Unfortunately there are so many players attending events in the forthcoming weeks that if you include travel days it simply becomes impossible to schedule around them.
These matches were all played yesterday at the same time as Group A was for the following reasons:
San is living in Taiwan which is +6 hours from CEST. Meaning he would start at midnight, and potentially play until 5am. He has to catch a flight to Redbull Detroit early that morning and could potentially have to leave during play if we had long matches and he went to the decider match.
We suggested playing the group a few hours early to accommodate this, but ToD is currently on the west coast of the USA which is -9 hours from CEST. If we tried to play at the proposed 15:00 CEST, it would be 06:00 for him which would be inadequate for him. He also had to fly to Detroit at a similar time, as you may be aware of due to his tweets today! He will then be in Toronto for IEM the following week.
Bunny also flies to Redbull Detroit, Toronto and then onto China for WEC, which completely blocks off all other dates for the rest of the ro32 schedule.
Unfortunately Group A (the one played yesterday) also had similar issues with Snute and StarDust and so we had two groups with the exact same issues regarding scheduling and both requiring the same date to play. With this in mind, we had the choice of either forcing player(s) to miss certain events, or schedule around them, which was our preferred option as we do not wish to limit players attendance to any event.
Ultimately we decided to move the broadcast date of Group B from the 21st to the 20th to minimise the amount of time in which any leaks could occur and maintain the integrity of the broadcast. As we speak, only 4 people know the full results of the evening, which are two referees (myself and Shawn) and the two players who participated in the deciding match. All commentary is live and blind to results.
I apologise if the broadcasting from replays has had a negative experience on your evening, but you should know that this is always very much a last resort and we always intend to have matches played live and this is the first time this has happened in 6 seasons (48 groups) of WCS EU Premier.
the thing is, if people are busy or it's too late or too early for them and can't make the scheduled time, disqualify them if they are not online for the check-in. There's money on the line here and I'm sure a couple of dq's here and there and players will start taking it more seriously. Tournament will start losing it's credibility if it starts re-arranging things because of couple of players who knew well in advance when it was their time to play just couldnt make it. What? You'd rather see players DQd today than to see the games casted from replays? Insanity! Well..I kinda agree with him. It is the most prestigious competition in SC2 (atleast for foreigners) and should be treated like that imho.
I think regarding flights to tournament etc., this is a good approach. If someone who chose to play WCS EU lives in Taiwan - well. As long as the rules allow that, everything should be done to ensure a fair and equal treatment, and thus, moving match schedule is a completely okay (and great imho) choice. As long as the rules do not forbid that a guy plays WCS EU from Taiwan, it's kind and great from ESL to set the schedule in a way that allows players to attend tournaments as well as playing in a condition that is not disadvantagious to them (i.e. lack of sleep, uncomfortable times etc).
I'm no moderator though, but I think we should leave this topic as it is now since it will just fuel the "WCS EU should not include koreans" discussion which was led one time too often IMHO. Let's agree to disagree if necessary.
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On August 21 2014 02:53 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? They added new options for the poll creator to temporarily hide polls or make it so it's hidden until you vote.
That's awesome.
I think that they should be hidden until you vote instead when you decide @Lorning
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United States97277 Posts
On August 21 2014 02:55 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:53 Shellshock wrote:On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? They added new options for the poll creator to temporarily hide polls or make it so it's hidden until you vote. That's awesome. I think that they should be hidden until you vote instead when you decide @Lorning
The problem with that is people who want to just come into the thread after to find out what games are recommended would have to vote blindly to find out
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On August 21 2014 02:53 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? So I can fiddle with the results So the corruption of gaming journalism has even reached the TL polls?
are the players gonna havet to sleep with Lorning, Zoe Quinn style, in order to getter better poll result?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 21 2014 02:55 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2014 02:53 Shellshock wrote:On August 21 2014 02:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On August 21 2014 02:50 Lorning wrote:Poll: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (4) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7) 44% ★★★- Good game (4) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 6% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend San vs MorroW Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
What is this? Result are hidden? They added new options for the poll creator to temporarily hide polls or make it so it's hidden until you vote. That's awesome. I think that they should be hidden until you vote instead when you decide @Lorning
I wanted to do that, but Shellbot made a great point
On August 20 2014 00:55 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 20:55 Lorning wrote:On August 19 2014 20:54 Boucot wrote:On August 19 2014 20:30 Lorning wrote:
Ready for the new season?
Also, there are some new options for polls (or I just found them lol):
- Always show results
- Hide results until user votes
- Hide results until you choose to show
I have chosen the second option with as goal:
1) Get more people to vote
2) Less bandwagon votes
I'm gonna monitor the results closely Mmm I saw the results before I voted. I'm doing it with the recommended games polls What about people that can't watch and want to see what is recommended? That means they have to blindly vote before they know
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the real question is, will we see a gg from Tod?
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On August 21 2014 02:56 Loccstana wrote:
the real question is, will we see a gg from Tod?
He gged or wped against Bunny, so unless there is some history I don't know between him and Morrow I guess he'll gg in some way.
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