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On June 23 2014 05:43 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:42 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 05:41 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:
sickkkk micro last battle gg scarlett lol zvz is awesome when it's even, but if one player gets ahead by more than ~10 supply in roach vs roach it's basically just waiting for the engagement and it's really boring
Unless the player who's down in supply has an upgrade advantage. Then it gets interesting. But this was as straightforward as a Roach war gets.
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On June 23 2014 05:43 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:42 Squat wrote:
Sup Korean zergs? Having a rough day there? DRG's been having a rough time for the last few months. 
Yeah, except for being the ace player for Mvp in proleague for a good while...
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On June 23 2014 05:44 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:41 Kasaraki wrote:On June 23 2014 05:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:38 ssxsilver wrote:
Anyone watching the PvP series? It's a ToD/Rotti cast in case people were wondering. If Olli isn't watching, no one is watching. I'm watching too, I have to support my boy Trap. And you make 5. I'm sure there's actually quite a few. I have it minimized on a separate tab. It is a ZvZ vs a PvP, thats gonna split the views quite nicely. Only reason the main stage has more is because of Scarlett. No I mean 5 fans of Trap. Not ppl watching the stream.
I think your number is off.
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On June 23 2014 05:40 Foreverkul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:32 Zealously wrote:On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u In general, forum-goers shouldn't assume that they know how much a player has practised or how good said player is at various things. Your assumption that Scarlett has "only practised a few weeks" is based on the faulty idea that she does not already have monstrously good base skills applicable to all three races. Mvp used to be able to beat European pros with all three races without breaking sweat. It's not unheard of, but you're letting your bias against Protoss convince you that she really only won because she picked Protoss, disregarding skill. Scarlett is good, no doubt about that. The issue is that most people of a race practice years with that race to reach the levels of progaming that are in. When a progamer can switch to another race without the years of experience in it (I assume Scarlett practices Protoss less than Zerg) and still performs at the level of someone who has used a race their whole life, there are a few things to think about such as: Is the race switcher just that much better than their opponent? Is the race easier to use than other races? (Scarlett herself said it, perhaps as a joke but the race is already under fire) Is there some other flaw in the game that makes it appear this way? Obviously though, 1 game doesn't PROVE anything, but its definitely got peoples attention and could be a concern.
Calm down it's one game. And she all-ined and DRG didn't respond corrently.
If they play 100 PvZ's I guarantee Scarlett will lose 99 of them
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On June 23 2014 05:44 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:41 Kasaraki wrote:On June 23 2014 05:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:38 ssxsilver wrote:
Anyone watching the PvP series? It's a ToD/Rotti cast in case people were wondering. If Olli isn't watching, no one is watching. I'm watching too, I have to support my boy Trap. And you make 5. I'm sure there's actually quite a few. I have it minimized on a separate tab. It is a ZvZ vs a PvP, thats gonna split the views quite nicely. Only reason the main stage has more is because of Scarlett. No I mean 5 fans of Trap. Not ppl watching the stream.
trap is up to 5 fans??? he must be having a wildly successful weekend then to quintuple his fan base like that.
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If Trap somehow loses this...just..lol
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On June 23 2014 05:44 mario1996 wrote:!!Breaking News!!! DAVID KIM statement after the Game!!! + Show Spoiler +
inb4 ban
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On June 23 2014 05:45 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:44 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:41 Kasaraki wrote:On June 23 2014 05:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 23 2014 05:38 ssxsilver wrote:
Anyone watching the PvP series? It's a ToD/Rotti cast in case people were wondering. If Olli isn't watching, no one is watching. I'm watching too, I have to support my boy Trap. And you make 5. I'm sure there's actually quite a few. I have it minimized on a separate tab. It is a ZvZ vs a PvP, thats gonna split the views quite nicely. Only reason the main stage has more is because of Scarlett. No I mean 5 fans of Trap. Not ppl watching the stream. I think your number is off.
Yea, much too high
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On June 23 2014 05:45 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:43 StarStruck wrote:On June 23 2014 05:42 Squat wrote:
Sup Korean zergs? Having a rough day there? DRG's been having a rough time for the last few months. Yeah, except for being the ace player for Mvp in proleague for a good while...
Sort of tells you what's wrong with that picture, no? Looks at MVP of late. No good.
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He doesn´t have vis...!!!!!!!
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On June 23 2014 05:43 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:42 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 05:41 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:
sickkkk micro last battle gg scarlett lol zvz is awesome when it's even, but if one player gets ahead by more than ~10 supply in roach vs roach it's basically just waiting for the engagement and it's really boring
Yeah that last fight was just a formality, 30 supply up with 2+ vs 1+, even with a concave you can just bulldoze in, clear out some roaches and then increment forward as you kill stuff. It's only when you add in hydras and infestors that it gets a little interesting.
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My god that was brutal to watch.
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Sound and SD dies, Trap advacnes!
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Poll: Recommend Losers Round 5 Set 1 Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 25% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (1) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 50% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Round 5 Set 1 Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Noooo Stardust  RIP last EU hope
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On June 23 2014 05:45 GhostKorean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:40 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:32 Zealously wrote:On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u In general, forum-goers shouldn't assume that they know how much a player has practised or how good said player is at various things. Your assumption that Scarlett has "only practised a few weeks" is based on the faulty idea that she does not already have monstrously good base skills applicable to all three races. Mvp used to be able to beat European pros with all three races without breaking sweat. It's not unheard of, but you're letting your bias against Protoss convince you that she really only won because she picked Protoss, disregarding skill. Scarlett is good, no doubt about that. The issue is that most people of a race practice years with that race to reach the levels of progaming that are in. When a progamer can switch to another race without the years of experience in it (I assume Scarlett practices Protoss less than Zerg) and still performs at the level of someone who has used a race their whole life, there are a few things to think about such as: Is the race switcher just that much better than their opponent? Is the race easier to use than other races? (Scarlett herself said it, perhaps as a joke but the race is already under fire) Is there some other flaw in the game that makes it appear this way? Obviously though, 1 game doesn't PROVE anything, but its definitely got peoples attention and could be a concern. Calm down it's one game. And she all-ined and DRG didn't respond corrently. If they play 100 PvZ's I guarantee Scarlett will lose 99 of them
bro didn't you read what he said, DRG has literally been playing zerg since 1991
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ehh stardust no miracle today
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