[MLG] Anaheim 2014 Day 3 - Page 110

Whining about Protoss or balance will be more harshly moderated from page 90 onwards.

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TheBloodyDwarf

Finland7524 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2181

On June 23 2014 04:57 Noocta wrote:

I also hate ZvZ so I don't blame Scarlett

oogieogie

United States3657 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2182

On June 23 2014 05:45 GhostKorean wrote:

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On June 23 2014 05:40 Foreverkul wrote:

On June 23 2014 05:32 Zealously wrote:

On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:

On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:

On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:

On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG

I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that.

I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss

As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game.

In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u

In general, forum-goers shouldn't assume that they know how much a player has practised or how good said player is at various things. Your assumption that Scarlett has "only practised a few weeks" is based on the faulty idea that she does not already have monstrously good base skills applicable to all three races. Mvp used to be able to beat European pros with all three races without breaking sweat. It's not unheard of, but you're letting your bias against Protoss convince you that she really only won because she picked Protoss, disregarding skill.

Scarlett is good, no doubt about that. The issue is that most people of a race practice years with that race to reach the levels of progaming that are in. When a progamer can switch to another race without the years of experience in it (I assume Scarlett practices Protoss less than Zerg) and still performs at the level of someone who has used a race their whole life, there are a few things to think about such as: Is the race switcher just that much better than their opponent? Is the race easier to use than other races? (Scarlett herself said it, perhaps as a joke but the race is already under fire) Is there some other flaw in the game that makes it appear this way?

Obviously though, 1 game doesn't PROVE anything, but its definitely got peoples attention and could be a concern.

Calm down it's one game. And she all-ined and DRG didn't respond corrently.
If they play 100 PvZ's I guarantee Scarlett will lose 99 of them

idk 2 base timings and the way PvZ is..I can easily see scarlett winning more then that.

FrostedMiniWheats

United States30730 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2183

Trap 2-1

StarDust

FlyingSteaks

Brazil433 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2184

YEAH Trap! Win this tourny please, for STX

PhoenixVoid

Canada32746 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2185

Trap keeping the Protoss dream alive.

Josh_Video

Canada798 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2186

On June 23 2014 05:45 ClueClueClue wrote:

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Yeah, except for being the ace player for Mvp in proleague for a good while...

Thats expected. Who else on MVP would be a good ace player besides Super?

Circumstance

United States11403 Posts

June 22 2014 20:46 GMT

#2187

On June 23 2014 05:45 Xinzoe wrote:

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inb4 ban

To be fair, he took the post, both text and image, straight from Team Acer's Twitter.

FrostedMiniWheats

United States30730 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2188

On June 23 2014 05:46 FlyingSteaks wrote:
YEAH Trap! Win this tourny please, for STX

He works for us now!

KingofdaHipHop

United States25602 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2189

On June 23 2014 05:46 KingofdaHipHop wrote:

Poll: Recommend Losers Round 5 Set 1 Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)

25%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)

0%

★★★- Good game (1)

25%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)

50%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)

0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers Round 5 Set 1 Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

stuchiu

Fiddler's Green42661 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2190

On June 23 2014 05:45 StarStruck wrote:

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I think your number is off.

We had a count yesterday. 3 fans. and 2ppl who were half fans. And then Kasaraki.

fuzzylogic44

Canada2633 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2191

I have a super soft spot for former STX players - happy for Trap

StarStruck

25339 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2192

rags should be easy pickings for scarlett.

HeavenResign

United States702 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2193

very glad Trap won that game. imo stardust did a lot of silly coin flipping for no reason. warping in 3 dt's, taking the island base, over building colossus I guess hoping trap didn't build any tempests

Incognoto

France10239 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2194

Isn't that borderline unprofessional from team acer?

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

June 22 2014 20:47 GMT

#2195

On June 23 2014 05:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

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I also hate ZvZ so I don't blame Scarlett

yeah, I so wish I was allowed to TvZ in the ladder instead of ZvZ.
Or just TvZ and ZvT in general.

mario1996

Germany20 Posts

June 22 2014 20:48 GMT

#2196

!!Breaking News!!! DAVID KIM statement after the Game!!! :D AT MLG stege ^^
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User was temp banned for this post.

Psychobabas

2531 Posts

June 22 2014 20:48 GMT

#2197

Im late to the party.

Scarlett beat DRG with Protoss?

Is this true?

Waise

3165 Posts

June 22 2014 20:48 GMT

#2198

On June 23 2014 05:47 Incognoto wrote:
Isn't that borderline unprofessional from team acer?

imo they're clearly joking, but to each his own interpretation

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

June 22 2014 20:48 GMT

#2199

Kespa Chairman Jun Byung-Hun and GOMTV SCII Manager Mr. Chae have released a joint statement condemning DongRaeGu's actions:
Byung-Hun, "We were deeply saddened by the terrible behavior exhibited by one MVP.DongRaeGu during his trip to Anaheim. Losing to a foreigner is a heinous crime, but an off race? Unacceptable. Believe me, you will never see him outside of Kespa jail ever again."

Mr. Chae, "It is with great excitement that I announce our newest Starcraft II program in conjunction with Kespa: The DRG-never-gets-out-of-the-Ro32-again Experience! We will make sure that DRG plays nothing but Protoss for the rest of his life, and we will task our best field agent SKT.Rain with keeping him locked down in Kespa jail. We would also like to extend an invitation to Scarlett to come play Protoss in Korea if she feels GSL is difficult enough."

ClueClueClue

Sweden1203 Posts

June 22 2014 20:48 GMT

#2200

On June 23 2014 05:46 Josh_Video wrote:

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Thats expected. Who else on MVP would be a good ace player besides Super?

Exactly. He's the expected ace player on a proleague team, that isn't among the very best I admit, but still reached playoffs during season 2. DRG is pretty good. But so is Scarlett.

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