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On April 25 2014 22:23 c0olL wrote: So its gonna be the 12th premier tournament in a row that the winner isn't a terran. Cool XD Geniune question, with the exception of Polt at IEM and MMA at WCSEU, who have we seen in finals in individual leagues in 2014 whom are Terrans?
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Need to send the Korean Terrans to train against Protoss in Europe and then to NA to train against Zergs, then they will be ready and we might see TvTs again.
Or a mapmaker finds a way to make reapers work where Blink doesn't. Aka anti blink cliffs!
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On April 25 2014 22:23 c0olL wrote: So its gonna be the 12th premier tournament in a row that the winner isn't a terran. Cool XD
It will just make the new terran win that much sweeter :3
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Ignoring all the balance bitching that inevitably swamps the LR threads after he is eliminated, I have to say I'm very sad Maru is out.
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On April 25 2014 22:21 lantz wrote: Maru too overrated.
I can probably do the same thing to him 2 base roach and win ... he had like 8 marines.......... You would die to his Reapers...
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On April 25 2014 22:25 FeyFey wrote: Need to send the Korean Terrans to train against Protoss in Europe and then to NA to train against Zergs, then they will be ready and we might see TvTs again.
Or a mapmaker finds a way to make reapers work where Blink doesn't. Aka anti blink cliffs! Double cliffs (like the Yeonsu one) or bridgelike things as in the old TalDarim kinda do that, but it requires double elevation and takes a lot of space.
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On April 25 2014 22:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 22:19 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:18 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:17 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote: wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving... This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw. Well with 3 CCs he should had made sure to find about what was going on. Had been worth an additional scan in this ase No, but he should have rather scanned the natural and sacrificed a Reaper in the main. You're not ahead with triple OC against 2-bases mutas so you don't particularly have scans to burn. Well I guess it is better than the coinflip in this case We can agree that he needs to know, and if he has not found out it was clearly worth a scan instead of what happend. Edit: It was actually not a Protoss he faced. Scans aint that coinflippy vs Zergs on two bases. It's not coinflippy as in "the tech building you search may be at the other side of the map," but it comes with a high cost. 2 scans at this time instead of 2 MULEs is probably -20% income, and you will need extra bunkers if Roaches or Turrets if 2-bases mutas. On Frost he can probably have the information with a Reaper alone if Zerg has no Speedlings.
Well I think we agree that he somehow should get the information if it is two base Roach or two base Mutalisk.
And I also think we agree that he should be able to get this scouting information without burning two scans.
However we seem to disagree if it is worth to burn two scans if he actually has not managed to figure out which tech it is instead of coinflipping for either. You seem to think it is not worth it. I think it is worth it every day.
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On April 25 2014 22:22 TaShadan wrote: Maru got tossed? :D He got zerged
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On April 25 2014 22:26 c0olL wrote:He got zerged And tossed!
We might say - he lost two series and is eliminated regardless of racial issues!
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On April 25 2014 22:19 Jerom wrote: When will a terran actually win something. I'm still waiting for it. I think Masa won MLG enders game tournament. I'm also pretty sure terran has won at least one go4sc2 event sometime this year.
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On April 25 2014 22:29 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 22:19 Jerom wrote: When will a terran actually win something. I'm still waiting for it. I think Masa won MLG enders game tournament. I'm also pretty sure terran has won at least one go4sc2 event sometime this year. jjakji also won last Zotac!
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9 mins and 1 bunker with 8 marines......
hellion that aren't even in front of the zerg base
Poor scouting, I really expected better from the best terran atm
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On April 25 2014 22:26 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 22:24 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:19 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:18 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:17 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote: wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving... This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw. Well with 3 CCs he should had made sure to find about what was going on. Had been worth an additional scan in this ase No, but he should have rather scanned the natural and sacrificed a Reaper in the main. You're not ahead with triple OC against 2-bases mutas so you don't particularly have scans to burn. Well I guess it is better than the coinflip in this case We can agree that he needs to know, and if he has not found out it was clearly worth a scan instead of what happend. Edit: It was actually not a Protoss he faced. Scans aint that coinflippy vs Zergs on two bases. It's not coinflippy as in "the tech building you search may be at the other side of the map," but it comes with a high cost. 2 scans at this time instead of 2 MULEs is probably -20% income, and you will need extra bunkers if Roaches or Turrets if 2-bases mutas. On Frost he can probably have the information with a Reaper alone if Zerg has no Speedlings. Well I think we agree that he somehow should get the information if it is two base Roach or two base Mutalisk. And I also think we agree that he should be able to get this scouting information without burning two scans. However we seem to disagree if it is worth to burn two scans if he actually has not managed to figure out which tech it is instead of coinflipping for either. You seem to think it is not worth it. I think it is worth it every day.
tbh, if zerg doesn't take his 3rd, you should ALWAYS make at least 1 tank and add 2 more bunkers. there are like 20 different busts that will kill you, mutas are not a real problem since 10 marines and a medivac will take care of a low muta count until turrets are up. maru thought his pressure was enough to keep him on 2 bases and his high queen count was an indicator of a more macro oriented play - he got juked big time. 
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On April 25 2014 22:23 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 22:21 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:19 Oboeman wrote:On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote: wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving... This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw. did he see ling speed? because there wasn't any. Don't remember the beginning. No probably thought he did (he pulled his repaers back at the 5:50 mark) but speed wasn't researching and poked back with hellions later. did he see any slow lings, or notice the absence of lings?
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I see Polt has also redeemed the Terran race with his glorious run at Midwest Pro Am 1.
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On April 25 2014 22:31 lantz wrote: 9 mins and 1 bunker with 8 marines...... Which is normal for a triple OC build.
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On April 25 2014 22:33 Kitaen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 22:26 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:24 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:19 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:18 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:17 Glorfindel! wrote:On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote: wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving... This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw. Well with 3 CCs he should had made sure to find about what was going on. Had been worth an additional scan in this ase No, but he should have rather scanned the natural and sacrificed a Reaper in the main. You're not ahead with triple OC against 2-bases mutas so you don't particularly have scans to burn. Well I guess it is better than the coinflip in this case We can agree that he needs to know, and if he has not found out it was clearly worth a scan instead of what happend. Edit: It was actually not a Protoss he faced. Scans aint that coinflippy vs Zergs on two bases. It's not coinflippy as in "the tech building you search may be at the other side of the map," but it comes with a high cost. 2 scans at this time instead of 2 MULEs is probably -20% income, and you will need extra bunkers if Roaches or Turrets if 2-bases mutas. On Frost he can probably have the information with a Reaper alone if Zerg has no Speedlings. Well I think we agree that he somehow should get the information if it is two base Roach or two base Mutalisk. And I also think we agree that he should be able to get this scouting information without burning two scans. However we seem to disagree if it is worth to burn two scans if he actually has not managed to figure out which tech it is instead of coinflipping for either. You seem to think it is not worth it. I think it is worth it every day. tbh, if zerg doesn't take his 3rd, you should ALWAYS make at least 1 tank and add 2 more bunkers. If you do that you're behind for nothing against 2-bases mutas.
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On April 25 2014 22:34 TheDwf wrote:Which is normal for a triple OC build. But then you actually really need to scout better
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