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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 25 2014 13:24 GMT
#1081
On April 25 2014 22:23 c0olL wrote:
So its gonna be the 12th premier tournament in a row that the winner isn't a terran.
Cool XD

Geniune question, with the exception of Polt at IEM and MMA at WCSEU, who have we seen in finals in individual leagues in 2014 whom are Terrans?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#1082
Need to send the Korean Terrans to train against Protoss in Europe and then to NA to train against Zergs, then they will be ready and we might see TvTs again.

Or a mapmaker finds a way to make reapers work where Blink doesn't. Aka anti blink cliffs!
VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
April 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#1083
On April 25 2014 22:23 c0olL wrote:
So its gonna be the 12th premier tournament in a row that the winner isn't a terran.
Cool XD


It will just make the new terran win that much sweeter :3
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
April 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#1084
Ignoring all the balance bitching that inevitably swamps the LR threads after he is eliminated, I have to say I'm very sad Maru is out.
Flash | Mvp
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#1085
On April 25 2014 22:21 lantz wrote:
Maru too overrated.

I can probably do the same thing to him 2 base roach and win ... he had like 8 marines..........

You would die to his Reapers...
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 25 2014 13:26 GMT
#1086
On April 25 2014 22:25 FeyFey wrote:
Need to send the Korean Terrans to train against Protoss in Europe and then to NA to train against Zergs, then they will be ready and we might see TvTs again.

Or a mapmaker finds a way to make reapers work where Blink doesn't. Aka anti blink cliffs!

Double cliffs (like the Yeonsu one) or bridgelike things as in the old TalDarim kinda do that, but it requires double elevation and takes a lot of space.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
April 25 2014 13:26 GMT
#1087
On April 25 2014 22:24 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:19 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:18 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:17 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote:
wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving...

This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw.

Well with 3 CCs he should had made sure to find about what was going on. Had been worth an additional scan in this ase

No, but he should have rather scanned the natural and sacrificed a Reaper in the main. You're not ahead with triple OC against 2-bases mutas so you don't particularly have scans to burn.


Well I guess it is better than the coinflip in this case
We can agree that he needs to know, and if he has not found out it was clearly worth a scan instead of what happend.

Edit:
It was actually not a Protoss he faced. Scans aint that coinflippy vs Zergs on two bases.

It's not coinflippy as in "the tech building you search may be at the other side of the map," but it comes with a high cost. 2 scans at this time instead of 2 MULEs is probably -20% income, and you will need extra bunkers if Roaches or Turrets if 2-bases mutas. On Frost he can probably have the information with a Reaper alone if Zerg has no Speedlings.


Well I think we agree that he somehow should get the information if it is two base Roach or two base Mutalisk.

And I also think we agree that he should be able to get this scouting information without burning two scans.

However we seem to disagree if it is worth to burn two scans if he actually has not managed to figure out which tech it is instead of coinflipping for either. You seem to think it is not worth it. I think it is worth it every day.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
c0olL
Profile Joined November 2012
129 Posts
April 25 2014 13:26 GMT
#1088
On April 25 2014 22:22 TaShadan wrote:
Maru got tossed? :D

He got zerged
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 25 2014 13:27 GMT
#1089
On April 25 2014 22:26 c0olL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:22 TaShadan wrote:
Maru got tossed? :D

He got zerged

And tossed!

We might say - he lost two series and is eliminated regardless of racial issues!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 25 2014 13:29 GMT
#1090
On April 25 2014 22:19 Jerom wrote:
When will a terran actually win something. I'm still waiting for it.

I think Masa won MLG enders game tournament. I'm also pretty sure terran has won at least one go4sc2 event sometime this year.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 25 2014 13:31 GMT
#1091
On April 25 2014 22:29 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:19 Jerom wrote:
When will a terran actually win something. I'm still waiting for it.

I think Masa won MLG enders game tournament. I'm also pretty sure terran has won at least one go4sc2 event sometime this year.

jjakji also won last Zotac!
lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
April 25 2014 13:31 GMT
#1092
9 mins and 1 bunker with 8 marines......

hellion that aren't even in front of the zerg base

Poor scouting, I really expected better from the best terran atm
VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
April 25 2014 13:31 GMT
#1093
On April 25 2014 22:29 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:19 Jerom wrote:
When will a terran actually win something. I'm still waiting for it.

I think Masa won MLG enders game tournament. I'm also pretty sure terran has won at least one go4sc2 event sometime this year.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments

Don't forget the glorious terran wins in the reverse race tournament and Innovation's domination in Starbow
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
April 25 2014 13:33 GMT
#1094
On April 25 2014 22:26 Glorfindel! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:24 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:19 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:18 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:17 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote:
wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving...

This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw.

Well with 3 CCs he should had made sure to find about what was going on. Had been worth an additional scan in this ase

No, but he should have rather scanned the natural and sacrificed a Reaper in the main. You're not ahead with triple OC against 2-bases mutas so you don't particularly have scans to burn.


Well I guess it is better than the coinflip in this case
We can agree that he needs to know, and if he has not found out it was clearly worth a scan instead of what happend.

Edit:
It was actually not a Protoss he faced. Scans aint that coinflippy vs Zergs on two bases.

It's not coinflippy as in "the tech building you search may be at the other side of the map," but it comes with a high cost. 2 scans at this time instead of 2 MULEs is probably -20% income, and you will need extra bunkers if Roaches or Turrets if 2-bases mutas. On Frost he can probably have the information with a Reaper alone if Zerg has no Speedlings.


Well I think we agree that he somehow should get the information if it is two base Roach or two base Mutalisk.

And I also think we agree that he should be able to get this scouting information without burning two scans.

However we seem to disagree if it is worth to burn two scans if he actually has not managed to figure out which tech it is instead of coinflipping for either. You seem to think it is not worth it. I think it is worth it every day.


tbh, if zerg doesn't take his 3rd, you should ALWAYS make at least 1 tank and add 2 more bunkers. there are like 20 different busts that will kill you, mutas are not a real problem since 10 marines and a medivac will take care of a low muta count until turrets are up. maru thought his pressure was enough to keep him on 2 bases and his high queen count was an indicator of a more macro oriented play - he got juked big time.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
April 25 2014 13:33 GMT
#1095
On April 25 2014 22:23 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:21 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:19 Oboeman wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote:
wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving...

This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw.

did he see ling speed? because there wasn't any.

Don't remember the beginning.

No probably thought he did (he pulled his repaers back at the 5:50 mark) but speed wasn't researching

and poked back with hellions later. did he see any slow lings, or notice the absence of lings?
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 25 2014 13:33 GMT
#1096
On April 25 2014 22:31 VmY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:29 royalroadweed wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:19 Jerom wrote:
When will a terran actually win something. I'm still waiting for it.

I think Masa won MLG enders game tournament. I'm also pretty sure terran has won at least one go4sc2 event sometime this year.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments

Don't forget the glorious terran wins in the reverse race tournament and Innovation's domination in Starbow

I see Polt has also redeemed the Terran race with his glorious run at Midwest Pro Am 1.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 25 2014 13:34 GMT
#1097
On April 25 2014 22:31 lantz wrote:
9 mins and 1 bunker with 8 marines......

Which is normal for a triple OC build.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37101 Posts
April 25 2014 13:35 GMT
#1098
SOOOOOOOOJJJJJJJJJWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 25 2014 13:35 GMT
#1099
On April 25 2014 22:33 Kitaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:26 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:24 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:19 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:18 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:17 Glorfindel! wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:16 TheDwf wrote:
On April 25 2014 22:15 tns wrote:
wtf, is maru thinking playing that greedy... that build so known... he saw the number of gases and the evo moving...

This means nothing. It could have been 2-bases mutas from what he saw.

Well with 3 CCs he should had made sure to find about what was going on. Had been worth an additional scan in this ase

No, but he should have rather scanned the natural and sacrificed a Reaper in the main. You're not ahead with triple OC against 2-bases mutas so you don't particularly have scans to burn.


Well I guess it is better than the coinflip in this case
We can agree that he needs to know, and if he has not found out it was clearly worth a scan instead of what happend.

Edit:
It was actually not a Protoss he faced. Scans aint that coinflippy vs Zergs on two bases.

It's not coinflippy as in "the tech building you search may be at the other side of the map," but it comes with a high cost. 2 scans at this time instead of 2 MULEs is probably -20% income, and you will need extra bunkers if Roaches or Turrets if 2-bases mutas. On Frost he can probably have the information with a Reaper alone if Zerg has no Speedlings.


Well I think we agree that he somehow should get the information if it is two base Roach or two base Mutalisk.

And I also think we agree that he should be able to get this scouting information without burning two scans.

However we seem to disagree if it is worth to burn two scans if he actually has not managed to figure out which tech it is instead of coinflipping for either. You seem to think it is not worth it. I think it is worth it every day.


tbh, if zerg doesn't take his 3rd, you should ALWAYS make at least 1 tank and add 2 more bunkers.

If you do that you're behind for nothing against 2-bases mutas.
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
April 25 2014 13:36 GMT
#1100
On April 25 2014 22:34 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 22:31 lantz wrote:
9 mins and 1 bunker with 8 marines......

Which is normal for a triple OC build.

But then you actually really need to scout better
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
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