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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:54 Aeromi wrote: Maru misread, thought it was a blink allin, and was on the defensive. At one point in the game he had 18 marines vs 1 stalker 1 sentry and 1 msc from Zest in army size. When he realised Zest had a third and went scv allin, it was too late as Zest's gateway explosion just started. That being said, it was still quite close. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:55 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Yeah, people overlooking this so much lol. Nobody is denying that Zest is an amazing player and played that almost perfectly. Just so depressing to see game after game after game of 1 side winning. | ||
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vAtAZz
France250 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:49 Wintex wrote: You guys... Maru didn't suspect anything when the moveout happened. I know it's hard for T etc, but fakeouts happen. If you scout what Maru scouted you HAVE to react. If Zest is being aggressive and Maru doesn't react he dies. That's just how strong Protoss aggressive options are. Zest abused the metagame, it's becoming a super common thing to do. The problem is that if you flip the coin and try and call their bluff and you're wrong, you die. That's the sum up of the problems with PvT. Protoss has too many options and Terran has too few. This game was actually the best example I can think of of the ACTUAL problems with the match up. So many others are just down to execution but this one Maru made all of the correct calls but was just late on everything because he HAD to take precautions in case of a Protoss All In. Protoss is just too flexible in the early game of the match up and a player like Zest can just abuse that. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:53 Wintex wrote: Asymmetric balance. edit: and we do have fake drops etc Asymmetric balance where one side has many more options can lead to imbalance. Fake drop is a lot different, all Protoss needs is the MSC and then wrap in once they see how many units are dropped. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:56 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Maru just needs to play more like Polt, obviously Polt lost as well when Classic went Oracle into third... | ||
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kawin159
Thailand60 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:56 VmY wrote: Nobody is denying that Zest is an amazing player and played that almost perfectly. Just so depressing to see game after game after game of 1 side winning. I beg to differ. At least half the posts are whining about Protoss OP or whatever instead of Zest actually playing incredibly well | ||
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coloursheep
China497 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:53 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Thats the reason why the amount of balance whining shot through the roof the last 2 months. The reason that he had to all in was because he did not see the third until it was way to late for him to play standard himself. If he scouted that then he can either all in much earlier before the third nexus pays off and probably win or take his own third and the game goes on. Maru's decision to all in was predicated by his lack of scouting nothing else. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:57 kawin159 wrote: Did you guy see the game???Zest had 1 nexus ahead for like 1-1.30 min and maru had no Idea what going on. Then u guy come to whinnig balance issue without any idea but PROTOSS IMBA?? WTF Lol. The post above pretty much explained the problem in TvP. | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:57 KrazyTrumpet wrote: I beg to differ. At least half the posts are whining about Protoss OP or whatever instead of Zest actually playing incredibly well Probably just trolls trying to bait an argument. Zest is good yo. | ||
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:58 VmY wrote: Probably just trolls trying to bait an argument. Zest is good yo. I'm just glad we ended the day on an exciting game. The rest of the matches today were pretty ho hum, to be honest =/ | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:58 coloursheep wrote: The reason that he had to all in was because he did not see the third until it was way to late for him to play standard himself. If he scouted that then he can either all in much earlier before the third nexus pays off and probably win or take his own third and the game goes on. Maru's decision to all in was predicated by his lack of scouting nothing else. He just got three SCVs sniped when he tried to leave the base to scout. The first one saw a Stalker and a Sentrie moving towards his base so he threw down an additional bunker. The second got instand sniped by an oracle and the third one got sniped halfway across them map. Not easy scouting, really - unless randomly scanning. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
Flash upset Zest win Maru. Zest all kill. Zest appear in Act match Flash 9 points . . . Too much feelings.. . . . . . . . . . . Hope there is sum1 who share same feeling as me. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
On February 23 2014 22:58 Loccstana wrote: Maru should just lift off all his buildings in response to the BM by Zest. It wasn't BM. Zest was building a nexus so he could use nexus cannon to contain Maru. It's special tactics. | ||
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