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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:41 Ragnarork wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least Since when does that count as a period of dominance? especially since he was never the best because of his awesome skill, but rather because there was just noone except scarlett do ever challenge him. the jinro/idra/huk/stephano times are basically over. naniwa can't fill the gap. Yet he's gone much farther than Stephano in the GSL, multiple times, and that weighs a lot when you talk about "Best foreigner". And IMO, he's been "higher" than Idra and Huk :/ He can definitely fill the gap, even widening it. Deal with it. are you trying to compare naniwa to stephano, the difference in success is clear to see, naniwa had easy runs in code s also.
And Stephano didn't have a run at all
Woops
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On February 19 2014 06:43 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. The thing with Naniwa is that his performances go up and down rapidly. He's not overrated all the time, when he's on his game he's a really good player no matter who you compare him to, but when he's not - and that happens frequently, I'd agree with him being overrated. The problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time which Naniwa will show up. Saying that he's "overrated" oversimplifies things.
So basically, you're saying "Naniwa is a good player because he's so inconsistent he's actually sometimes good!"?
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On February 19 2014 06:40 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:38 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Lol Never? Really who had better results as a foreigner than NaNiwa at all last year? Not to mention he absolutely crushed Scarlett in the show match, and consistently gets better results. So really you're just an idiot. You're awfully abrasive and sometimes hyperbolic in your posts 
People on this forum will do that to you.
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On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in.
So your point is that he is overrated? Well this was over before it even started
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On February 19 2014 06:44 Darkhorse wrote:Anyway guys WCS America in about an hour join us there!
Thanks for the info lol, already forgot that  guess more Starcraft tonight!
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your Country52797 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:45 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. The thing with Naniwa is that his performances go up and down rapidly. He's not overrated all the time, when he's on his game he's a really good player no matter who you compare him to, but when he's not - and that happens frequently, I'd agree with him being overrated. The problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time which Naniwa will show up. Saying that he's "overrated" oversimplifies things. So basically, you're saying "Naniwa is a good player because he's so inconsistent he's actually sometimes good!"?
Actually, that's exactly what he didn't say.
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On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in.
I dont know why I bother to post to you, I know it is pointless. Result wise Naniwa is objectively the best foreign player in HotS, it does not matter if you look at aligulac ranking, WCS points or prize earnings, they all state Naniwa, with a large margin i might add.
Problem is that you dont like him which inhibit your analytical ability on this matter.
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On February 19 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:45 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:
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Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. The thing with Naniwa is that his performances go up and down rapidly. He's not overrated all the time, when he's on his game he's a really good player no matter who you compare him to, but when he's not - and that happens frequently, I'd agree with him being overrated. The problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time which Naniwa will show up. Saying that he's "overrated" oversimplifies things. So basically, you're saying "Naniwa is a good player because he's so inconsistent he's actually sometimes good!"? Actually, that's exactly what he didn't say.
Got him wrong then, but I'm in full "fuck Naniwa"-mode currently, so I might not be accountable 
Edit: pretty much this:
On February 19 2014 06:46 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. I dont know why I bother to post to you, I know it is pointless. Resultwise Naniwa is objectively the best foreign player in HotS, it does not matter if you look at aligulac ranking, WCS points or prize earnings, they all state Naniwa, with a large margin i might add. Problem is that you dont like him which inhibited your analytical ability on this matter.
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On February 19 2014 06:43 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. The thing with Naniwa is that his performances go up and down rapidly. He's not overrated all the time, when he's on his game he's a really good player no matter who you compare him to, but when he's not - and that happens frequently, I'd agree with him being overrated. The problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time which Naniwa will show up. Saying that he's "overrated" oversimplifies things.
So he is basically much less lovable version of Bomber?
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Jinro is best foriegner of all time. Deal with it guys. No one will ever be as hype as he was.
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On February 19 2014 06:43 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:42 ssxsilver wrote:On February 19 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
Okay guys Jinro is best foreigner of all time he made ro4 GSL twice and no other foreigner has made it once. That's the end of the debate. Stop trying to derail the thread! I'm trying to make everyone laugh it off and not get in to this
Every time a Scarlett/Naniwa/Stephano LR thread ends I always have the mental image of Michael Jackson's "Beat It" video. It's rather amusing how fanatical people get.
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France9034 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:41 Ragnarork wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least Since when does that count as a period of dominance? especially since he was never the best because of his awesome skill, but rather because there was just noone except scarlett do ever challenge him. the jinro/idra/huk/stephano times are basically over. naniwa can't fill the gap. Yet he's gone much farther than Stephano in the GSL, multiple times, and that weighs a lot when you talk about "Best foreigner". And IMO, he's been "higher" than Idra and Huk :/ He can definitely fill the gap, even widening it. Deal with it. are you trying to compare naniwa to stephano, the difference in success is clear to see, naniwa had easy runs in code s also.
It's hard to compare. But that's a strong argument when Stephano never went past a round he was seeded in, in the GSL... :/
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:45 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. The thing with Naniwa is that his performances go up and down rapidly. He's not overrated all the time, when he's on his game he's a really good player no matter who you compare him to, but when he's not - and that happens frequently, I'd agree with him being overrated. The problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time which Naniwa will show up. Saying that he's "overrated" oversimplifies things. So basically, you're saying "Naniwa is a good player because he's so inconsistent he's actually sometimes good!"?
No, my point is that Naniwa is really fucking good when he plays well and less good when he doesn't. You know who else this applies to?
Everyone
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United States23455 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:45 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:40 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 ArTiFaKs wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Lol Never? Really who had better results as a foreigner than NaNiwa at all last year? Not to mention he absolutely crushed Scarlett in the show match, and consistently gets better results. So really you're just an idiot. You're awfully abrasive and sometimes hyperbolic in your posts People on this forum will do that to you.
Errr yes. But that doesn't mean it is a good thing to do.
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On February 19 2014 06:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Jinro is best foriegner of all time. Deal with it guys. No one will ever be as hype as he was.
this guy nailed it
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On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.
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On February 19 2014 06:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:46 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:45 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:
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best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. The thing with Naniwa is that his performances go up and down rapidly. He's not overrated all the time, when he's on his game he's a really good player no matter who you compare him to, but when he's not - and that happens frequently, I'd agree with him being overrated. The problem is that it's impossible to tell ahead of time which Naniwa will show up. Saying that he's "overrated" oversimplifies things. So basically, you're saying "Naniwa is a good player because he's so inconsistent he's actually sometimes good!"? Actually, that's exactly what he didn't say. Got him wrong then, but I'm in full "fuck Naniwa"-mode currently, so I might not be accountable Edit: pretty much this: Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:46 4ZakeN87 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:41 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:40 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least no because during that stretch Polt was considered an american hero. That was before november- in november blizzcon turned everyone except naniwa into a korean naniwa is way overrated, but he has that market value eg's interested in. I dont know why I bother to post to you, I know it is pointless. Resultwise Naniwa is objectively the best foreign player in HotS, it does not matter if you look at aligulac ranking, WCS points or prize earnings, they all state Naniwa, with a large margin i might add. Problem is that you dont like him which inhibited your analytical ability on this matter.
Ok good, so you're basically admitting to being completely wrong and just trolling. Glad this is over.
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On February 19 2014 06:45 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:41 Ragnarork wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least Since when does that count as a period of dominance? especially since he was never the best because of his awesome skill, but rather because there was just noone except scarlett do ever challenge him. the jinro/idra/huk/stephano times are basically over. naniwa can't fill the gap. Yet he's gone much farther than Stephano in the GSL, multiple times, and that weighs a lot when you talk about "Best foreigner". And IMO, he's been "higher" than Idra and Huk :/ He can definitely fill the gap, even widening it. Deal with it. are you trying to compare naniwa to stephano, the difference in success is clear to see, naniwa had easy runs in code s also. And Stephano didn't have a run at all Woops
He did. 0-2 Bogus, 2-0 Hack, 1-2 Bogus.
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United States23455 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:41 Ragnarork wrote:On February 19 2014 06:39 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA. Just that they're both far from being the best best foreigner at various times. Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least Since when does that count as a period of dominance? especially since he was never the best because of his awesome skill, but rather because there was just noone except scarlett do ever challenge him. the jinro/idra/huk/stephano times are basically over. naniwa can't fill the gap. Yet he's gone much farther than Stephano in the GSL, multiple times, and that weighs a lot when you talk about "Best foreigner". And IMO, he's been "higher" than Idra and Huk :/ He can definitely fill the gap, even widening it. Deal with it. are you trying to compare naniwa to stephano, the difference in success is clear to see, naniwa had easy runs in code s also.
His runs in Code S were:
First time: beating Puzzle, Ryung, Genius, Virus, losing to eventual champion Mvp.
2nd time: losing to Creator, beating theStC, Creator, losing to Genius, beating Keen, Genius, losing to DRG 2-3
Those names don't seem that awesome now but at the time those were pretty darn good runs.
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United States23455 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:49 JazVM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Jinro is best foriegner of all time. Deal with it guys. No one will ever be as hype as he was. this guy nailed it
Too bad he is an IMBA COPIER
On February 19 2014 06:42 Darkhorse wrote:
Okay guys Jinro is best foreigner of all time he made ro4 GSL twice and no other foreigner has made it once. That's the end of the debate.
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