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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Flash had one of the easiest groups ever (sSak, Classic and Where) in the PDPop MSL, but got knocked out in 2 straight sets. He got pissed and won the next one by sweeping every game in the semis and finals.
It's OK, guys.
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Can someone check if the VODs in the OP are the correct ones?
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Austria16289 Posts
On January 16 2014 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:55 Big J wrote:On January 16 2014 22:40 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 22:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 16 2014 22:35 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 22:32 FFW_Rude wrote:
Hi,
I just read what you guys wrote on the first Flash game. Was it that bad ? How did go the other set ? I just can't find it (too many pages in this thread).
Can someone summerize games ?
I understood this :
Game 1 was : "Flash needs to learn how to deal with DT".
Game 2 was : "Flash was outmacroed hard and forgot that you need armory to get past +1"
Am i correct ?
How did the second set go ?
Sry I dont want to think about those games. g1 DT and every possible tech into deathball. G2 every possible tech and greed into deathball You should include the failed scv allin from Flash in G2 which kinda reset'ed the armies aye silly Flash tryed to all in since he had way more army supply and buffed it even more with his scvs. Yonghwa didnt have storm but he won the engagement anyways because he microed beatifully and overcame the odds with sick colossus control! well, it wasn't just the stalker+colossus micro that saved his colossi while not losing shots with them, it was also the 3-3 vs 1-1 which basically explains the supply difference (700-700 more in upgrades; do the math with 100/25/2, 50/0/1, 100/100/2 units). Do you mean that the upgrade difference is worth 700 army supply ? If it's what you're saying it's not that big. Never thought of that.
I meant the way for flash to get so far ahead in supply is not to invest into upgrades. 700/700 is what the 2-2 and 3-3 cost for yongwha, money he could have spent into units like flash had he stayed 1-1, or (the standard scenario) vis verca, that flash could not have spend on army had he gone for the upgrades. And 700/700 is in the mathematically best scenario 7medivacs == 14 supply, but in a more realistical one, a mixture of MMM that is probably going to be equal to ~25supply that flash would not have and therefore the gap in supply is pretty much explained and flash was not half as ahead as people make it sound (if he was ahead at all, since I don't really see him having many options apart from allinning with that upgrade disadvantage, even after the Templar Archive snipe).
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On January 16 2014 23:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 16 2014 22:55 Big J wrote:On January 16 2014 22:40 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 22:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 16 2014 22:35 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 22:32 FFW_Rude wrote:
Hi,
I just read what you guys wrote on the first Flash game. Was it that bad ? How did go the other set ? I just can't find it (too many pages in this thread).
Can someone summerize games ?
I understood this :
Game 1 was : "Flash needs to learn how to deal with DT".
Game 2 was : "Flash was outmacroed hard and forgot that you need armory to get past +1"
Am i correct ?
How did the second set go ?
Sry I dont want to think about those games. g1 DT and every possible tech into deathball. G2 every possible tech and greed into deathball You should include the failed scv allin from Flash in G2 which kinda reset'ed the armies aye silly Flash tryed to all in since he had way more army supply and buffed it even more with his scvs. Yonghwa didnt have storm but he won the engagement anyways because he microed beatifully and overcame the odds with sick colossus control! well, it wasn't just the stalker+colossus micro that saved his colossi while not losing shots with them, it was also the 3-3 vs 1-1 which basically explains the supply difference (700-700 more in upgrades; do the math with 100/25/2, 50/0/1, 100/100/2 units). Do you mean that the upgrade difference is worth 700 army supply ? If it's what you're saying it's not that big. Never thought of that. I meant the way for flash to get so far ahead in supply is not to invest into upgrades. 700/700 is what the 2-2 and 3-3 cost for yongwha, money he could have spent into units like flash had he stayed 1-1, or (the standard scenario) vis verca, that flash could not have spend on army had he gone for the upgrades. And 700/700 is in the mathematically best scenario 7medivacs == 14 supply, but in a more realistical one, a mixture of MMM that is probably going to be equal to ~25supply that flash would not have and therefore the gap in supply is pretty much explained and flash was not half as ahead as people make it sound (if he was ahead at all, since I don't really see him having many options apart from allinning with that upgrade disadvantage, even after the Templar Archive snipe).
Yeah Flash was never really ahead in the 2nd game and 1st one was complete stomp.
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On January 16 2014 23:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 16 2014 22:55 Big J wrote:On January 16 2014 22:40 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 22:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On January 16 2014 22:35 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 22:32 FFW_Rude wrote:
Hi,
I just read what you guys wrote on the first Flash game. Was it that bad ? How did go the other set ? I just can't find it (too many pages in this thread).
Can someone summerize games ?
I understood this :
Game 1 was : "Flash needs to learn how to deal with DT".
Game 2 was : "Flash was outmacroed hard and forgot that you need armory to get past +1"
Am i correct ?
How did the second set go ?
Sry I dont want to think about those games. g1 DT and every possible tech into deathball. G2 every possible tech and greed into deathball You should include the failed scv allin from Flash in G2 which kinda reset'ed the armies aye silly Flash tryed to all in since he had way more army supply and buffed it even more with his scvs. Yonghwa didnt have storm but he won the engagement anyways because he microed beatifully and overcame the odds with sick colossus control! well, it wasn't just the stalker+colossus micro that saved his colossi while not losing shots with them, it was also the 3-3 vs 1-1 which basically explains the supply difference (700-700 more in upgrades; do the math with 100/25/2, 50/0/1, 100/100/2 units). Do you mean that the upgrade difference is worth 700 army supply ? If it's what you're saying it's not that big. Never thought of that. I meant the way for flash to get so far ahead in supply is not to invest into upgrades. 700/700 is what the 2-2 and 3-3 cost for yongwha, money he could have spent into units like flash had he stayed 1-1, or (the standard scenario) vis verca, that flash could not have spend on army had he gone for the upgrades. And 700/700 is in the mathematically best scenario 7medivacs == 14 supply, but in a more realistical one, a mixture of MMM that is probably going to be equal to ~25supply that flash would not have and therefore the gap in supply is pretty much explained and flash was not half as ahead as people make it sound (if he was ahead at all, since I don't really see him having many options apart from allinning with that upgrade disadvantage, even after the Templar Archive snipe).
Thank you for your explanation 
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Bravo 
I hope Fanta will make it through
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On January 16 2014 23:15 Pangpootata wrote:
Flash had one of the easiest groups ever (sSak, Classic and Where) in the PDPop MSL, but got knocked out in 2 straight sets. He got pissed and won the next one by sweeping every game in the semis and finals.
It's OK, guys.
I hope history repeats itself.
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On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye?
Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago
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On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago
i forgot about him but then again is duckdeok that much of a class?
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It's okay, Flash is gonna own it up in Starbow where mech is the way to play ^^
Kekeke
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On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago
He also lost to Duckdeok, Naniwa etc. Solid players but not Dear or Parting or Rain.
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On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago
How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that?
TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt.
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On January 16 2014 23:54 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that? TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt.
cant ever count Polt out but he hasnt looked to good against the better P players. I think even Polt will suffer after being away from a proper training enviroment for so long.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 17 2014 00:10 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 23:54 plogamer wrote:On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that? TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt. cant ever count Polt out but he hasnt looked to good against the better P players. I think even Polt will suffer after being away from a proper training enviroment for so long.
Polt said he sleeps 3 hours a day so he can keep up with sc2.
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On January 17 2014 00:31 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 00:10 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 23:54 plogamer wrote:On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that? TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt. cant ever count Polt out but he hasnt looked to good against the better P players. I think even Polt will suffer after being away from a proper training enviroment for so long. Polt said he sleeps 3 hours a day so he can keep up with sc2.
Nooooo. That can't ever be good (((
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 17 2014 00:37 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 00:31 stuchiu wrote:On January 17 2014 00:10 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 23:54 plogamer wrote:On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that? TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt. cant ever count Polt out but he hasnt looked to good against the better P players. I think even Polt will suffer after being away from a proper training enviroment for so long. Polt said he sleeps 3 hours a day so he can keep up with sc2. Nooooo. That can't ever be good (((
It's okay, he says he relaxes by working part-time o_0?????????????
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On January 17 2014 00:41 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 00:37 plogamer wrote:On January 17 2014 00:31 stuchiu wrote:On January 17 2014 00:10 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 23:54 plogamer wrote:On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that? TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt. cant ever count Polt out but he hasnt looked to good against the better P players. I think even Polt will suffer after being away from a proper training enviroment for so long. Polt said he sleeps 3 hours a day so he can keep up with sc2. Nooooo. That can't ever be good ((( It's okay, he says he relaxes by working part-time o_0?????????????
So hes full-time student, part-time Starcraft , part-time job and 3 hours of sleep?
The day does not have enough hours for that
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Flash.
Ahhhhhhh! Well at least we got MyuNgSiK!
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On January 17 2014 00:42 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 00:41 stuchiu wrote:On January 17 2014 00:37 plogamer wrote:On January 17 2014 00:31 stuchiu wrote:On January 17 2014 00:10 Fjodorov wrote:On January 16 2014 23:54 plogamer wrote:On January 16 2014 23:39 Muffloe wrote:On January 16 2014 22:56 juvenal wrote:
Reliable tvpers: taeja, maru, the end. Kinda sucks aye? Inno is kinda good right? I remember him crushing Rain 3-0 sometime, although that might've been some time ago How about Polt? I'm super-biased and think it's amazing. Polt was the first one going marauder heavy style that you see taeja and maru employ. Am I correct in that? TLPD shows 70% TvP winrate for Polt. cant ever count Polt out but he hasnt looked to good against the better P players. I think even Polt will suffer after being away from a proper training enviroment for so long. Polt said he sleeps 3 hours a day so he can keep up with sc2. Nooooo. That can't ever be good ((( It's okay, he says he relaxes by working part-time o_0????????????? So hes full-time student, part-time Starcraft , part-time job and 3 hours of sleep? The day does not have enough hours for that
Only for lazy foreigners
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