On December 22 2013 07:41 RoranRock wrote: Starcraft 2 brood war ? it's really going to be played on this mod or on the real game ?
actually as someone who didn't follow the BW scene, i don't know which way would be the better
No, the original BW, I was looking for a proper PNG logo of BW but I couldn't find a good one so I ended with this. I fixed it. So now it's ugly but accurate ! :D
huh. Not really sure who I want to win out of this player field. I guess maybe Solar since he's kind of starting to break out and it would be nice to see him win something?
On December 22 2013 11:25 Shellshock wrote: huh. Not really sure who I want to win out of this player field. I guess maybe Solar since he's kind of starting to break out and it would be nice to see him win something?
On December 22 2013 11:14 Harem wrote: Based on how Forgg played near the end of his BW career, it will probably be some bunker rush and scv pull or some random other semi-allin.
I remember Boxer playing Huk in BW at some IPL The game was sloppy but a lot of fun I hope Forgg doesn't try some bunker rush, and JD doesn't go early pool and we get a game, just for the lulz
On December 22 2013 11:25 Shellshock wrote: huh. Not really sure who I want to win out of this player field. I guess maybe Solar since he's kind of starting to break out and it would be nice to see him win something?
what if major tells him to 6pool
then I hope he doesnt listen because I think he's pretty good at standard ZvT
On December 22 2013 11:25 Shellshock wrote: huh. Not really sure who I want to win out of this player field. I guess maybe Solar since he's kind of starting to break out and it would be nice to see him win something?
what if major tells him to 6pool
then I hope he doesnt listen because I think he's pretty good at standard ZvT
Please don't blaspheme against the holder of the last copy of the dead sea scrolls.
On December 22 2013 11:14 Harem wrote: Based on how Forgg played near the end of his BW career, it will probably be some bunker rush and scv pull or some random other semi-allin.
Chances of actual macro game seem slim to none.
Hmm. When Is the last time you watched ForGG play. I know everyone was watching Scarlett vs. Naniwa yesterday but ForGG played 2 macro games and 1 cheese game against JD and only game JD won was speedling-bane all in.
edit: Never mind I didnt realize they also play BW showmatch.
I think we should call the last day "Finals day" or something. "Day 2" just doesn't have the same punch to it, you know. And one guy might even skip it.
After the first semi final we are going to see Stephano vs Harstem playing some W3. After the second semi final we are going to see ForGG vs Jaedong playing BW.
On December 22 2013 22:09 AlternativeEgo wrote: I think we should call the last day "Finals day" or something. "Day 2" just doesn't have the same punch to it, you know. And one guy might even skip it.
Indeed. I didn't think about it.
The WC3 match will be played after the first semifinal, the BW match after the second one.
Im not a Nathanias fan from before. But he seems so unprofessional when its not as "big" tournaments. He either shows up way late, or not at all. And if he shows up he seems to have absolutely no interest in the games, and just being megatired.
On December 22 2013 22:03 Darrkhan wrote: When is showmatches!??
Warcraft 3 after the first semifinal Broodwar should be after the 2nd semifinal they said there will be a 3rd showmatch but I didn't understand what it will be
On December 22 2013 22:03 Darrkhan wrote: When is showmatches!??
Warcraft 3 after the first semifinal Broodwar should be after the 2nd semifinal they said there will be a 3rd showmatch but I didn't understand what it will be
On December 22 2013 22:03 Darrkhan wrote: When is showmatches!??
Warcraft 3 after the first semifinal Broodwar should be after the 2nd semifinal they said there will be a 3rd showmatch but I didn't understand what it will be
There's a WC3 showmatch? Now that shit is awesome (Why couldn't you be here grubby :<)
On December 22 2013 22:03 Darrkhan wrote: When is showmatches!??
Warcraft 3 after the first semifinal Broodwar should be after the 2nd semifinal they said there will be a 3rd showmatch but I didn't understand what it will be
There's a WC3 showmatch? Now that shit is awesome (Why couldn't you be here grubby :<)
Babyknight: Thumbs up (late edit: or maybe the V..) Solar: Powerful thumbs down Curious: Throat slash Jaedong: Reach for the sky, fly away (may or may not give the right mental image)
On December 22 2013 22:37 AlternativeEgo wrote: Babyknight: Thumbs up Solar: Powerful thumbs down Curious: Throat slash Jaedong: Reach for the sky, fly away (may or may not give the right mental image)
Thanks! Is JD's like a superman pose or something?
On December 22 2013 22:37 AlternativeEgo wrote: Babyknight: Thumbs up Solar: Powerful thumbs down Curious: Throat slash Jaedong: Reach for the sky, fly away (may or may not give the right mental image)
On December 22 2013 22:37 AlternativeEgo wrote: Babyknight: Thumbs up Solar: Powerful thumbs down Curious: Throat slash Jaedong: Reach for the sky, fly away (may or may not give the right mental image)
On December 22 2013 22:37 AlternativeEgo wrote: Babyknight: Thumbs up Solar: Powerful thumbs down Curious: Throat slash Jaedong: Reach for the sky, fly away (may or may not give the right mental image)
On December 22 2013 22:37 AlternativeEgo wrote: Babyknight: Thumbs up Solar: Powerful thumbs down Curious: Throat slash Jaedong: Reach for the sky, fly away (may or may not give the right mental image)
On December 22 2013 22:48 Squat wrote: What is this sorcery Nathan speaks of, Local Area Network? It sounds like some forgotten art from the Dark Age of Technology.
Let us not speak of the unknown, for it is what presents the most danger. Blizzard protect us.
On December 22 2013 22:48 Squat wrote: What is this sorcery Nathan speaks of, Local Area Network? It sounds like some forgotten art from the Dark Age of Technology.
I heard you could play together without connecting to the Internet. It sounds implausible I know.
On December 22 2013 22:48 Squat wrote: What is this sorcery Nathan speaks of, Local Area Network? It sounds like some forgotten art from the Dark Age of Technology.
What's a lan, you're getting some dangerous ideas there how could any game possibly be able to utilise such absurd technology.
On December 22 2013 22:48 Squat wrote: What is this sorcery Nathan speaks of, Local Area Network? It sounds like some forgotten art from the Dark Age of Technology.
Let us not speak of the unknown, for it is what presents the most danger. Blizzard protect us.
A open mind is like a fortress with it's gates left unbarred. Tampering with the sacred machine is blasphemy. Death to the LAN heretics.
Edit: Asking what JD is doing in France, what a silly question. Obviously his first step is to assume control of the french government and begin the new Dong Dynasty.
Harstem : He watched replays this morning, he said he had a decent level.
Stephano : I trained with Grubby, I'm playing human, it's a beautiful race. I have honor, I don't play LoL unlike YellowStar who was a former champion of W3.
Warcraft 3 has upkeep. Which means you lose a % of your income at higher supplies. So having higher supply isn't always an advantage unless you can use it to do damage.
BW tiiiiiiiiiiiime! It's been too long, too long have I crawled through the muck of force fields, free units and stimmed marauder drops. Like the Dark Knight before him, the Dong Knight shall now rise and play the game that defined everything awesome about RTS.
On December 22 2013 23:33 Squat wrote: BW tiiiiiiiiiiiime! It's been too long, too long have I crawled through the muck of force fields, free units and stimmed marauder drops. Like the Dark Knight before him, the Dong Knight shall now rise and play the game that defined everything awesome about RTS.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Vortix,lucifron,happy,moon,ToD
I meant winning major tournaments against stacked Korean opposition type player.
On December 22 2013 23:48 Boucot wrote: viOLet played WC3 too.
This. ALSO so sry to kinda hijack this thread, but especially all the wc3 talks kinda makes it legitimate :D GRUBBY NOW VS. STEPHANO ON GRUBBY'S STREAM - playing motherfucking wc3!
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
Because only Kor wins now, and Korea was less imba in WC3 than in BW. So it's normal.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
WC3 was popular in China because it easier to hack the game rather than BW.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
Fair enough, I was just asking since someone said Grubby was like a Bisu or Flash in WC3. I was curious why the WC3 guys hadn't translated over with the same level of success.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
WC3 was popular in China because it easier to hack the game rather than BW.
agreed, it still is the only "real" scene regarding wc3
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
Fair enough, I was just asking since someone said Grubby was like a Bisu or Flash in WC3. I was curious why the WC3 guys hadn't translated over with the same level of success.
no problem I am here to clarify things obviously:p
//edit: and that's not entirely accurate. Grubby was the foreigner flash/bisu. Moon/Lyn/Lucifer were kind of what Bisu/Flash were for BW
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
Well it was pretty big until the MBC map shenanigans
On December 23 2013 00:11 sparklyresidue wrote: So how were Jaedong's games vs. Curious?
Depends on who you're a fan of. If you are a man of fine taste and good sense, they were awesome, since JD pretty much manhandled Curious all three games.
On December 23 2013 00:11 sparklyresidue wrote: So how were Jaedong's games vs. Curious?
Depends on who you're a fan of. If you are a man of fine taste and good sense, they were awesome, since JD pretty much manhandled Curious all three games.
On December 22 2013 23:46 Squat wrote: Other than Stephano and Naniwa, is there any ex WC3 player who really became a championship caliber player in SC2?
Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
Fair enough, I was just asking since someone said Grubby was like a Bisu or Flash in WC3. I was curious why the WC3 guys hadn't translated over with the same level of success.
no problem I am here to clarify things obviously:p
//edit: and that's not entirely accurate. Grubby was the foreigner flash/bisu. Moon/Lyn/Lucifer were kind of what Bisu/Flash were for BW
Well Grubby was one of the best player in the world period, not only one of the best foreigner.
On December 22 2013 23:47 slowbacontron wrote: [quote] Lots, such as Polt
Polt and anyone else? I mean champion level player as in WCS/blizzcon/GSL champion player.
Grubby? Moon?Lyn? The latter two at least for a little while.
But neither of those were winning GSLs or taking stacked tournaments. Is there anyone who came over and became like a Dear or sOs or Innovation? I don't really see many of the WC3 guys doing much in HotS anymore at least.
getting second at IEMs or MLGs and doing well in early GSLs now is not "championworthy" material...?
//edit: by that definition you could even say naniwa is not champion material. what has he won recently? only second places! and the average foreigner should stop playing the game since it's a waste of time.
Well, championship material would imply winning those tournaments at some point.
I am not talking about foreigners, korean ex WC3 players are fine too. I just don't see anyone except ex BW players winning much of anything anymore.
That's because wc3 wasn't big in korea - bw was/still kind of is. And koreans are THE best.
Fair enough, I was just asking since someone said Grubby was like a Bisu or Flash in WC3. I was curious why the WC3 guys hadn't translated over with the same level of success.
no problem I am here to clarify things obviously:p
//edit: and that's not entirely accurate. Grubby was the foreigner flash/bisu. Moon/Lyn/Lucifer were kind of what Bisu/Flash were for BW
Well Grubby was one of the best player in the world period, not only one of the best foreigner.
sure. yet I kind of wanted to translate it into the whole foreigner/korean discussion. he definitely was one of THE best.
On December 23 2013 00:15 Doublemint wrote: grubby eating him alive.
Was there any doubt?
I at least hoped for some better games... but as a Grubby fan I am fine
//edit: burrow= orc bunker. makes sense :p
Watching Grubby's stream, he's taking this really serious. Also, Grubby was something like the Top 3 WC3 player in the world, Stephano was only an amateur WC3 player afaik.
Stephano's elbow attack appears unstoppable. Commanding the creepy old dude on the horse, the little dude with the oversized weapons and the bearded gentleman with the giant rotating cockring, he sweeps all resistance before him.
a big thanks to grubby, stephano and so on for this awesome show match, considering that tournament becomes more and more serious, things like this are really precious
I dont know what was ForGG thinking. Terran really can't make 2 base all ins happen. Compare this to protoss 2 base all ins and it is ridiculously weak.
He is really good at greedy macro play so I hope no more shenanigans...
His reaction time on those bane runbys was so slow. Also, that bunker placement was so strange But I think most important reason for this game getting out of control was letting Solar get to 4 bases and 80 drones so fast.
On December 23 2013 00:56 Boucot wrote: Well, ForGG v Z is still not very good.
I haven't paid close attention to him for a while, but I didn't realise he's known for being bad vs Z..?
I know he's good vs T.
He was very bad vs Zerg at the beginning of HotS. He improved a lot since a few months but there are still some matches like this one where he completely struggles.
On December 23 2013 01:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: How did forGG beat Jaedong then? Anybody saw that match?^^
Second game JD just didn't build anything for a good portion of the game, he just fell behind too much in macro. Third game 11/11 rax. JD really didn't play well at all, I would strongly suspect he wants a rematch.
On December 23 2013 01:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: How did forGG beat Jaedong then? Anybody saw that match?^^
1. JD pulled an SC2-finals JaeKong. 2. Maps were ridiculously terran favored AFAIK. 3. fOrGG was kinda good. That's it if you meant that MSL finals.
2. JD let a bunch of helions into his main base and lost like 15 drones early in the game. I dont see what does that have to do with the map to be honest.
On December 23 2013 01:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: How did forGG beat Jaedong then? Anybody saw that match?^^
1. JD pulled an SC2-finals JaeKong. 2. Maps were ridiculously terran favored AFAIK. 3. fOrGG was kinda good. That's it if you meant that MSL finals.
2. JD let a bunch of helions into his main base and lost like 15 drones early in the game. I dont see what does that have to do with the map to be honest.
On December 23 2013 00:44 shid0x wrote: wouldn't marauder all in (zyzz build) work against solar ? His playstyle seems vulnerable to it.
Hellbats/Marauders is really bad since the Hellbat nerf.
How about hellions and marauders? Can they do the damage before you might get destroyed by mutas?
Without Blue Flame, Hellions are inferior to Hellbats for that kind of push/all-in. Hack had used a weird BFH/Marauders all-in against Jaedong on Akilon Wastes in their WCS America match; he had killed the two first Overlords heading towards his base, so Jaedong had no idea what Hack was doing and the Terran won easily with BFH/Marauders vs pure lings. It's the only time I saw this build.
On December 23 2013 01:15 Swiipii wrote: Solar forgetting his mutalisks, ForGG foregetting his marines. Fairplay. :D
GG ForGGG!
ForGG forggets his marines?
He kept losing tons of marines against banes and in the last fight ForGG lost 2 full medivacs to a few banes (no split) and on the other fight Solar lost 10 mutalisks.
On December 23 2013 01:15 Swiipii wrote: Solar forgetting his mutalisks, ForGG foregetting his marines. Fairplay. :D
GG ForGGG!
ForGG forggets his marines?
He kept losing tons of marines against banes and in the last fight ForGG lost 2 full medivacs to a few banes (no split) and on the other fight Solar lost 10 mutalisks.
On December 23 2013 01:15 Swiipii wrote: Solar forgetting his mutalisks, ForGG foregetting his marines. Fairplay. :D
GG ForGGG!
ForGG forggets his marines?
He kept losing tons of marines against banes and in the last fight ForGG lost 2 full medivacs to a few banes (no split) and on the other fight Solar lost 10 mutalisks.
On December 23 2013 02:05 Noonius wrote: ForGG was probably kinda annoyed at losing to Solar just about 30 min ago. Not a good mindset to go into a showmatch
Clearly it should have been solar vs jaedong showmatch :>
On December 23 2013 03:16 shid0x wrote: I wanted to ask lwl... well i got to ask harstem still a good trade :D
what was your question ?
To harstem ? I asked him about TESL/Taiwan/SaSe/Fnatic.
To lwl ? I wanted to ask him something about the way the french tournaments are made (and especially their lack of English coverage from inside stuff ) and if he thought that was what prevented paris to have something like IEM/DH.
That gg is not unexpected at all. Mutas can kill everything on ForGG part of the map and ForGG has to advance slowly against ling-bane on creep. The game was over because he had nothing to deal with mutas.
On December 23 2013 03:55 Faust852 wrote: This is the problem with mass muta right now, you can't do shit against that :/
Play better. Thors aren't a bad idea either
Curious would still trade mutas for OC and mass burrow bane everywhere.
ForGG was very very far ahead. Some of the things he could have done was to take an earlier 4th while denying Curious' 4th. That would have allowed him to apply continuous pressure and Curious would not have had the opening to counterattack with his mutas.
On December 23 2013 03:55 Faust852 wrote: This is the problem with mass muta right now, you can't do shit against that :/
Of course you can. Don't make that many big mistakes and ForGG wins that.
The problem is the moment you leave zerg alone and he has big muta flock, zerg will always take initiative. Stimmed marines can't chase them, thors don't do enough damage to remove them from the game for awhile since regen is super strong. Turrets are also not enough to scare them away.
So you are kept on your side of the map.
At the same time, parade push doesn't work so well anymore since you can't really engage on creep like before with stronger mines.
On December 23 2013 03:58 Bagration wrote: Did you see how few medivacs ForGG had? Stim is a devastating AOE
Curious kept killing medivacs, it's pretty hard to keep a big number of them with so many mutas.
You're supposed to produce them to replace lost ones. ForGG didn't do that for several minutes. I was looking at the production tab, and many a minute passed without a medivac being produced.
On December 23 2013 03:58 Bagration wrote: Did you see how few medivacs ForGG had? Stim is a devastating AOE
Curious kept killing medivacs, it's pretty hard to keep a big number of them with so many mutas.
You're supposed to produce them to replace lost ones. ForGG didn't do that for several minutes. I was looking at the production tab, and many a minute passed without a medivac being produced.
Because he had already enough of them, then lost most of them quickly and no longer had enough economy to rebuild them.
Ever since the Curious vs Innovation series a couple of months ago, I've rated him as one of the strongest ZvTers in the world. No shame in losing to him.
Still looking at Curious' career, it's a shame that the high point of his career came in October 2011, when he won GSL Code A without dropping a SINGLE MAP. He entered Code S with such high expectations, and 2 years later, he hasn't really done much.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Look who the only player consistently beating him every time they met.
motha fuckin MVP baby! lol
Also like 6? months earlier on that he 4-0 forgg before
Yep, Mvp's mech is his bête noire. There were still 4 Hellbats drops in the first HotS (beta) series they played, though; pretty much a 100% winrate strategy. ;D
On December 23 2013 04:22 Bagration wrote: Still looking at Curious' career, it's a shame that the high point of his career came in October 2011, when he won GSL Code A without dropping a SINGLE MAP. He entered Code S with such high expectations, and 2 years later, he hasn't really done much.
At least he has one of the best ZvT in the world in HotS. It's a real pity he's currently in Code B. Says something about how fierce the competition is in Korea.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well..duh? I mean training in an environment with superior players will make you better. It's just that for SC2 most of those are in Korea. If Team Acer picked 1-2 solid protoss they would a really good practice house in Europe though.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him
That claim was backed up with zero proof...
Hence the maybe. I don't really see any reason to lie about it though.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
Otherwise, what's Haypro up to these days?
I crushed him in Hearthstone the other night! He's playing some banjo deck.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
Otherwise, what's Haypro up to these days?
Are you talking about ForGG???
How can ForGG be BM off stream ? He streams 10 hours a day.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
Otherwise, what's Haypro up to these days?
Are you talking about ForGG???
Yes. I don't know and I didn't say it, so please don't project this onto me.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
Otherwise, what's Haypro up to these days?
Are you talking about ForGG???
How can ForGG be BM off stream ? He streams 10 hours a day.
On December 23 2013 04:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Damn it, ForGG... maybe Naniwa is right that EU lacks high quality practice partners necessary to prepare yourself for a confrontation with Koreans.
Well that is not exactly news. On KR there is tons of players that can challenge you (even guys who are unknown for us are better than foreigners) while servers like NA or EU have maybe 1-2 players that can challenge top Koreans.
Can't ask Nerchio. Scarlett is busy having fun with the AxA guys. "Hello Maddelisk, do you have time?"
Scarlett said he was BM as hell off stream, maybe no one wants to practice with him. And well, they have Inno and MMA on Acer so pretty set on ZvT practice there.
Otherwise, what's Haypro up to these days?
Are you talking about ForGG???
How can ForGG be BM off stream ? He streams 10 hours a day.
I think that Solar's chance are a bit underestimated by Aligulac. His recent explosion in qualifiers and tournaments is not yet included in the match history, I think.
On December 23 2013 05:28 WigglingSquid wrote: I think that Solar's chance are a bit underestimated by Aligulac. His recent explosion in qualifiers and tournaments is not yet included in the match history, I think.
Aligulac's got most of them, but he needs more. He was hindered by playing many of his first games in the isolated PL and also most of his games are online which count for less than offline D:
On December 23 2013 05:28 WigglingSquid wrote: I think that Solar's chance are a bit underestimated by Aligulac. His recent explosion in qualifiers and tournaments is not yet included in the match history, I think.
No they're included, it's just that he hasn't won as much against Zerg as he has against Terran and Protoss. I'm a little surprised myself.
On December 23 2013 05:48 JustPassingBy wrote: What the shit, I will never understand ZvZ!!!
Unless Solar were a whole lot better than JD, the game was close to over when Solar's early pool failed and completely over when his speedling aggression only killed a queen while JD was getting speed and banelings. Like in most SC2 games, the rest was a slow death animation.
On December 23 2013 05:48 JustPassingBy wrote: What the shit, I will never understand ZvZ!!!
Unless Solar were a whole lot better than JD, the game was close to over when Solar's early pool failed and completely over when his speedling aggression only killed a queen while JD was getting speed and banelings. Like in most SC2 games, the rest was a slow death animation.
I don't think that is true. Wasn't there a time in the game after the initial aggression, where both players were sitting on the same supply and same economy and same tech? I could swear the game was pretty even at one point after the first aggression.
On December 23 2013 05:48 JustPassingBy wrote: What the shit, I will never understand ZvZ!!!
Unless Solar were a whole lot better than JD, the game was close to over when Solar's early pool failed and completely over when his speedling aggression only killed a queen while JD was getting speed and banelings. Like in most SC2 games, the rest was a slow death animation.
I don't think that is true. Wasn't there a time in the game after the initial aggression, where both players were sitting on the same supply and same economy and same tech? I could swear the game was pretty even at one point after the first aggression.
supplies were both at 45 or 50 with same workers/army at one point, I dunno what happened tho
Ok, this tournament was great, a big shoutout to Solar, he reminds me Symbol when he came out of nowhere for Iron Squid Chapter 1 and he finished second.
Highly entertaining ZvZ series. Especially impressed by Solar's performance. Looked like he had Jaedong's number in the two first games. JvZ took over after that, though.
Excellent tournament overall, with a great prize pool. Glad Jaedong won it! Now that he's got two big wins under his belt, the championships will only keep coming.
On December 23 2013 06:11 Aeromi wrote: Ok, this tournament was great, a big shoutout to Solar, he reminds me Symbol when he came out of nowhere for Iron Squid Chapter 1 and he finished second.
On December 23 2013 06:11 Aeromi wrote: Ok, this tournament was great, a big shoutout to Solar, he reminds me Symbol when he came out of nowhere for Iron Squid Chapter 1 and he finished second.
Thanks for this tournament Millenium !
Must be nice to understand french.
JD said he's happy and he's going to work hard because he wants to win tournaments in 2014.
The new guy is the CEO of Millenium, he's happy about Jaedong's win, he's satisfied with the quality of the tournament, he thanks Numericable, he also thanks Le Nouvel Obs, a famous newspaper in France.
On December 23 2013 06:11 Aeromi wrote: Ok, this tournament was great, a big shoutout to Solar, he reminds me Symbol when he came out of nowhere for Iron Squid Chapter 1 and he finished second.
Thanks for this tournament Millenium !
Must be nice to understand french.
Prior to this tournament I thought my French was decent but unfortunately I only catch about half of what is said on stream. The other half, well, I imagine the commentary would have made more sense with it ^^
On December 23 2013 06:13 purgerinho wrote: nice, 2nd tournament win.. at the end, it will not be so bad year for JD
It's hard to feel too bad for the guy who has made more money than anyone else in all of Esports.
money isn't everything, especially for those (once) on the top
You're right, money doesn't buy you happiness. It sure as shit buys you everything else though.
He is pretty much on top in SC2 as well, he has a very solid claim to being the best zerg period right now, and he's arguably a top 5 player overall. I don't think he's too disappointed with 2013 overall.
On December 23 2013 06:13 purgerinho wrote: nice, 2nd tournament win.. at the end, it will not be so bad year for JD
It's hard to feel too bad for the guy who has made more money than anyone else in all of Esports.
money isn't everything, especially for those (once) on the top
JD is actually very concerned with prize money as he has been thinking about his future beyond gaming. He has said that he wants to earn enough money for a household etc.
the stream lagging every second pretty much killed that ending for me :/ The only thing that got better was when he called out Jaedong as the winner but due to lag, it was in slow motion and then it worked just as Jaedong was raising the cup otherwise dailymotion seems to be horrible to watch on :/
On December 23 2013 06:21 BigFan wrote: the stream lagging every second pretty much killed that ending for me :/ The only thing that got better was when he called out Jaedong as the winner but due to lag, it was in slow motion and then it worked just as Jaedong was raising the cup otherwise dailymotion seems to be horrible to watch on :/
The stream worked surprisingly well overall this weekend. Only the last 2 hours were hit by lags.
On December 23 2013 06:21 BigFan wrote: the stream lagging every second pretty much killed that ending for me :/ The only thing that got better was when he called out Jaedong as the winner but due to lag, it was in slow motion and then it worked just as Jaedong was raising the cup otherwise dailymotion seems to be horrible to watch on :/
The stream worked surprisingly well overall this weekend. Only the last 2 hours were hit by lags.
Had to go in the third game. Jaedong managed to turn it around? Not bad. Would have been cool for new guy Solar to get a trophy though, but I guess he will have to wait. Is there perhaps a winners reaction and ceremony video to be seen? And maybe even a compilation of all the pre-recorded ones? That would be neat.
Edit: Found a picture. Looking all casual and shit.
On December 23 2013 07:36 AlternativeEgo wrote: Had to go in the third game. Jaedong managed to turn it around? Not bad. Would have been cool for new guy Solar to get a trophy though, but I guess he will have to wait. Is there perhaps a winners reaction and ceremony video to be seen? And maybe even a compilation of all the pre-recorded ones? That would be neat.
Edit: Found a picture. Looking all casual and shit.
I couldn't catch it live, but I'm really happy for Jaedong, showing he intends to stay on top . Congrats Jaedong, I will watch the vods to learn some JvZ! I'm ready to welcome the Tyrant in 2014.
On December 23 2013 09:25 Musicus wrote: I couldn't catch it live, but I'm really happy for Jaedong, showing he intends to stay on top . Congrats Jaedong, I will watch the vods to learn some JvZ! I'm ready to welcome the Tyrant in 2014.
On December 23 2013 09:25 Musicus wrote: I couldn't catch it live, but I'm really happy for Jaedong, showing he intends to stay on top . Congrats Jaedong, I will watch the vods to learn some JvZ! I'm ready to welcome the Tyrant in 2014.
EPT![[image loading]](http://static.mnium.org/images/contenu/unes/big/sc2_ncup_3_une.jpg)
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Curious vs 
ForGG vs ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bwURvqe.png)
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Stephano vs ![[image loading]](http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100925074756/wowwiki/images/3/3b/IconSmall_Undead_Male.gif)
Harstem![[image loading]](http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101003003602/wowwiki/images/3/3c/IconSmall_Orc_Male.gif)
Grubby (online)![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6OrX78U.jpg)
ForGG vs 
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Solar, he reminds me 
