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* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before.
♠ = joker. Player that is not part of the team's regular roster. Only one joker can be chosen per season who is eligible to play the entire duration of the season.
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Poll: Head: Who do you think will win?Team Acer (17) 100% compLexity Gaming (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: Head: Who do you think will win? (Vote): compLexity Gaming
(Vote): Team Acer
Poll: Heart: Who do you want to win?Team Acer (15) 83% compLexity Gaming (3) 17% 18 total votes Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to win? (Vote): compLexity Gaming
(Vote): Team Acer
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Acer is already set, but if they beat coL here I believe Axiom is locked for the playoffs. Do it for the team!
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its time for Nerchio all kill :D
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Acer so strong. I really like Team Acer, they're my second favourite team behind Axiom. However, I wouldn't mind a compLexity victory, I don't want to see coL drop out of the ATC altogether.
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We are going to play w/o Scarlett due of Redbull Battle Ground.
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Hope to get to see Nerchio and Bly and Paranoid today :D
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I believe if coL loses here, Axiom clinches a playoff spot because only one of Liquid or Quantic could jump them since they play each other still and Axiom only gets knocked out if 2 teams pass them. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only teams left that can pass Axiom is coL + Liquid/Quantic but coL has to win all 3 and make up a 12 map difference?
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I'm going to make a bold prediction and say Innovation and MMA are going to curbstomp this. Bly was on fire last series, getting an awesome all kill. Nwm, Scarlett not playing, understandable, I think it's a good decision.
I honestly cannot see complexity winning this even with the most favourable possible match ups.
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On November 20 2013 21:52 Shellshock wrote:
I believe if coL loses here, Axiom clinches a playoff spot because only one of Liquid or Quantic could jump them since they play each other still and Axiom only gets knocked out if 2 teams pass them. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only teams left that can pass Axiom is coL + Liquid/Quantic but coL has to win all 3 and make up a 12 map difference?
Yeah, if coL drops three or more maps in their last three matches, Axiom qualifies.
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Lol, nobody has faith in coL in these predictions.
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On November 20 2013 22:28 Qwerty85 wrote:
Lol, nobody has faith in coL in these predictions.
Acer is just too good.
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I´m always surprised coL still exists. Acer is gonna crush them mercilessly.
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What, coL have their next match against Millenium in two hours? oO
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On November 20 2013 23:08 SinCitta wrote:
What, coL have their next match against Millenium in two hours? oO
should be quite close :D
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This is brood war-esque muta harass, absolutely beautiful.
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On November 20 2013 23:08 SinCitta wrote:
What, coL have their next match against Millenium in two hours? oO
I don't know if they talked about it on taketv but Millenium yesterday said it was at 16h but still, there is nothing on the official schedule
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Shit, totally forget that this was going on today. Okay, I need to attend a class now which I sadly cannot skip, but if the gods have mercy, Nerchio still will be playing once I get back in 90min!
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On November 20 2013 23:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Watch out for qxc!
Thanks
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On November 20 2013 23:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Watch out for qxc!
Watch out for Nerchio
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On November 20 2013 23:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Watch out for qxc!
Your objection is duly noted and ignored.
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On November 20 2013 23:35 Nerchio wrote:Thanks
Impeccable multitasking!
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Nerchio's ZvT looks pretty good. :D ZvZ next maybe?
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Nerchio!!! Great job gogo, next all-kill after Bly! But where were you looking when you lost your 2 queens without transfuse  ?
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Send out Bilbo Baggi--eh Trimaster next, I'm enjoying these really aggressive ZvTs, Nerchio is playing them very intelligently.
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I think Nerchio will allkill. There's really no person in coL that would be favored against him.
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Acer has like 5-6 people who could very conceivably all kill coL, this was mostly a matter who was going to get to swing the axe.
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On November 20 2013 23:43 Squat wrote:
Acer has like 5-6 people who could very conceivably all kill coL, this was mostly a matter who was going to get to swing the axe.
Acer only has 6 active players (Innovation, MMA, Scarlett, Nerchio, Bly, Paranoid)
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On November 20 2013 23:44 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:43 Squat wrote:
Acer has like 5-6 people who could very conceivably all kill coL, this was mostly a matter who was going to get to swing the axe. Acer only has 6 active players (Innovation, MMA, Scarlett, Nerchio, Bly, Paranoid)
Well his statement is still correct though.
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On November 20 2013 23:46 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:44 Bagration wrote:On November 20 2013 23:43 Squat wrote:
Acer has like 5-6 people who could very conceivably all kill coL, this was mostly a matter who was going to get to swing the axe. Acer only has 6 active players (Innovation, MMA, Scarlett, Nerchio, Bly, Paranoid) Well his statement is still correct though.
Yeah, no argument here.
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Nerchio doesn't like forcefields :D
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On November 20 2013 23:44 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:43 Squat wrote:
Acer has like 5-6 people who could very conceivably all kill coL, this was mostly a matter who was going to get to swing the axe. Acer only has 6 active players (Innovation, MMA, Scarlett, Nerchio, Bly, Paranoid)
Indeed, and all of them capable of all killing coL.
In other news, Nerchio is a male sibling aroused to a state of significant ire.
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And suddenly, the tears started flowing.
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God damnit, not like this  . Well I'm always happy to see the more Acer players at least.
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On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing.
There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy
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If playing against that would be even half as frustrating as watching it, and I'm sure it's rather the opposite, I can definitely understand his irritation. I'm not saying it's broken or imbalanced, but it's about as interesting to spectate as curling.
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Haha Nerchio you sore loser. Loved your tears. And like HerO said: someone should punch you in the face.
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On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy
If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc.
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On November 20 2013 23:35 Bagration wrote:Watch out for Nerchio
Watch out for 10x bigger army throw
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On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc.
Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all
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On November 21 2013 00:02 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc. Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all
Well if you don't even feel anything then there're no excuses to behave like that right
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On November 21 2013 00:02 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc. Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all
Are you more frustrated with balance or the game design?
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On November 21 2013 00:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:02 Nerchio wrote:On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc. Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all Are you more frustrated with balance or the game design?
Game design ofcourse, as most of SC2 progamers but they just accept what they got.
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On November 21 2013 00:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:02 Nerchio wrote:On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc. Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all Are you more frustrated with balance or the game design?
I think the frustration comes mostly from having complained about a game-breaking, destructive ability since WoL beta and not even having blizz acknowledge the complaints or offer any indication that they may be willing to reconsider, even when it's unpopular and makes the game worse.
But I could be wrong.
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On November 20 2013 23:58 KingLeonardo wrote:
Haha Nerchio you sore loser. Loved your tears. And like HerO said: someone should punch you in the face.
Now now, let's not advocate violence here
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On November 21 2013 00:08 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:02 Nerchio wrote:On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc. Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all Are you more frustrated with balance or the game design? I think the frustration comes mostly from having complained about a game-breaking, destructive ability since WoL beta and not even having blizz acknowledge the complaints or offer any indication that they may be willing to reconsider, even when it's unpopular and makes the game worse.But I could be wrong.
That's a totally subjective statement though. The thing is, Nerchio hasn't just been complaining about forcefields but a lot of different things as well. I find it weird to bring it up in games though against opponents who like him have to work with what they've got and I do think it's affecting him.
I remember a WoL series against HerO where he went mass muta in game 1 and HerO just outplayed him at every turn. Nerchio typed "too good :O gg" or something, then won game 2. Then HerO beat him pretty easily with a 3base push in game 3 and Nerchio typed "gg 'pro'" and left. That sort of doesn't make sense unless the frustration really gets to him.
That's not saying I disagree with some of the things he says. His complaint of mass roach strategies being too effective for how boring they are is something I can agree with. Forcefield complaints I can sometimes agree with, etc. But what I don't understand is BMing players because of it. It's not their fault.
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Yo nerchio, you sticking around In the thread for this match? I'd love your insights into why acer chooses one player over another, given that your team has four aces I'm never totally sure why one is sent out when another isn't besides the innovationvT issues.
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Fucking hell acer zergs I wanna see innovation!
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Congratulations Axiom for qualifying for the playoffs.
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On November 21 2013 00:14 Promethelax wrote:
Yo nerchio, you sticking around In the thread for this match? I'd love your insights into why acer chooses one player over another, given that your team has four aces I'm never totally sure why one is sent out when another isn't besides the innovationvT issues.
Well we don't want to use Inno/MMA all the time, we are qualified anyway and usually it depends because somebody has a tournament later(like zotac today for me and Bly so we need to play first). Bly also felt confident and said he wanted to play so he did. Usually one shouldn't really look into picks in online clan wars because it's very random unless there is a really important match, the more interesting stuff is happening at Acer teamstory cup finals where you got all players in one place etc.
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On November 21 2013 00:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:08 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:02 Nerchio wrote:On November 21 2013 00:00 NarutO wrote:On November 20 2013 23:56 Nerchio wrote:On November 20 2013 23:53 TheDwf wrote:
And suddenly, the tears started flowing. There is no tears, but i find it hilarous that he didn't even have to use phoenix to defend the first time just 4 sentries with full energy If you would cry less , especially ingame I think you would have more success. Don't misunderstand, I can understand all rage after a game, but if the rage gets to you ingame I believe it clouds your vision resulting in no other result than defeat to begin with. You should always give your best ingame and not waste time writing or thinking etc. Don't worry, it doesn't affect me at all Are you more frustrated with balance or the game design? I think the frustration comes mostly from having complained about a game-breaking, destructive ability since WoL beta and not even having blizz acknowledge the complaints or offer any indication that they may be willing to reconsider, even when it's unpopular and makes the game worse.But I could be wrong. That's a totally subjective statement though. The thing is, Nerchio hasn't just been complaining about forcefields but a lot of different things as well. I find it weird and I do think it's affecting him. I remember a WoL series against HerO where he went mass muta in game 1 and HerO just outplayed him at every turn. Nerchio typed "too good :O gg" or something, then won game 2. Then HerO beat him pretty easily with a 3base push in game 3 and Nerchio typed "gg 'pro'" and left. That sort of doesn't make sense unless the frustration really gets to him.
I'm not going to pretend to know how someone else thinks, I just(I think) feel the same kind of resentment towards what I see as a toxic part of the game. My point was only that if it indeed it affected him, I understood why, as I have felt the same way myself many times after some 2k ladder games.
I've always wondered, if I had a magic wand I could wave over protoss that would remove FF and make the race perfectly balanced without it, and then left it up to a community vote on whether I should use the wand, how would that vote look.
Edit: I agree about calling out players in game for using the tools they have available, Vipro did not design protoss, zerg players did not design Infestor/Broodlord or swarm hosts. All players can do is try to win with what they have. Though I think Nerchio was not really BMing Vipro as much as just expressing irritation over a poorly designed ability.
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On November 21 2013 00:19 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:14 Promethelax wrote:
Yo nerchio, you sticking around In the thread for this match? I'd love your insights into why acer chooses one player over another, given that your team has four aces I'm never totally sure why one is sent out when another isn't besides the innovationvT issues. Well we don't want to use Inno/MMA all the time, we are qualified anyway and usually it depends because somebody has a tournament later(like zotac today for me and Bly so we need to play first). Bly also felt confident and said he wanted to play so he did. Usually one shouldn't really look into picks in online clan wars because it's very random unless there is a really important match, the more interesting stuff is happening at Acer teamstory cup finals where you got all players in one place etc.
Thank you for giving some insight, I and I bet many others really appreciate it!
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On November 21 2013 00:19 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:14 Promethelax wrote:
Yo nerchio, you sticking around In the thread for this match? I'd love your insights into why acer chooses one player over another, given that your team has four aces I'm never totally sure why one is sent out when another isn't besides the innovationvT issues. Well we don't want to use Inno/MMA all the time, we are qualified anyway and usually it depends because somebody has a tournament later(like zotac today for me and Bly so we need to play first). Bly also felt confident and said he wanted to play so he did. Usually one shouldn't really look into picks in online clan wars because it's very random unless there is a really important match, the more interesting stuff is happening at Acer teamstory cup finals where you got all players in one place etc.
Thanks! Always interesting to get some insight.
E: good luck in zotac!
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Grats Axiom btw I guess because they clinched a playoff spot by this point
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Funnily enough, we don't hear Nerchio complaining about how a player can play Roaches all-ins 24/7 and still be competitive with them. Must be some kind of oversight from him.
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So coL can revive a player now right? I'd like to see theSTC play a longer game vs Bly, who has just been playing awesome SC lately.
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On November 21 2013 00:28 TheDwf wrote:
Funnily enough, we don't hear Nerchio complaining about how a player can play Roaches all-ins 24/7 and still be competitive with them. Must be some kind of oversight from him.
He actually complained abouut exactly that to Snute :D.
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Someone got Bly-ed already? I was gone for 5 damn minutes -.-
Grats Axiom btw. Now I have to hope for TL > Quantic and Empire > TL, with TL gaining less than 2 maps, sounds almost reasonable
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On November 21 2013 00:28 TheDwf wrote:
Funnily enough, we don't hear Nerchio complaining about how a player can play Roaches all-ins 24/7 and still be competitive with them. Must be some kind of oversight from him.
Must be an oversight from you 
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On November 21 2013 00:29 Squat wrote:
So coL can revive a player now right? I'd like to see theSTC play a longer game vs Bly, who has just been playing awesome SC lately.
eh TheStC has been doing pretty poorly against zerg lately
0-3 in November
6-8 since October
12-18 since September
12-21 since August
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On November 21 2013 00:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:28 TheDwf wrote:
Funnily enough, we don't hear Nerchio complaining about how a player can play Roaches all-ins 24/7 and still be competitive with them. Must be some kind of oversight from him. He actually complained abouut exactly that to Snute :D.
... in ZvZ.
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On November 21 2013 00:33 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:28 TheDwf wrote:
Funnily enough, we don't hear Nerchio complaining about how a player can play Roaches all-ins 24/7 and still be competitive with them. Must be some kind of oversight from him. He actually complained abouut exactly that to Snute :D.
It was more like he lectured Snute on it, and why it was bad. It was perhaps a bit harsh, but also true.
... in ZvZ.
No, it was about Snute's style in general.
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Bly getting 8 kills in two series, not bad. GG Acer and gratz also to Axiom
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Bly-ed.
I dont understand how people keep falling to this, hes like a wizard or something.
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It's kind of amazing how many players don't prepare or take precautions for early aggression against someone like Bly. Surely coL knew about how he plays before this series.
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Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition.
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TaKe makes no mention of the match in 15min, so don't know if there will be one or not.
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Bly got the same amount of map wins in 2 matches as non-HyuN Quantic has all season.
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On November 21 2013 00:41 Squat wrote:
It's kind of amazing how many players don't prepare or take precautions for early aggression against someone like Bly. Surely coL knew about how he plays before this series.
Not everyone researches their opponents.
Although by the time game 6 rolled around, there was really no excuse >_>
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On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition.
I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team
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On November 21 2013 00:44 SinCitta wrote:
TaKe makes no mention of the match in 15min, so don't know if there will be one or not.
TaKe mentioned in chat that it has been postponed
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Congrats Acer! And stop stealing the show Bly!
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On November 21 2013 00:40 NovaMB wrote:
Bly-ed.
I dont understand how people keep falling to this, hes like a wizard or something.
- Players knows Bly's style = He might All-in
- Bly knows that players know his style = They think that i might all-in
- Players know that Bly knows that players knows his style = Well, because he might all-in, maybe he will play it straight and mindgame me.
- Bly knows that players knows that Bly knows that players knows his style = rofl noobs, ALL-IN'd kekekekekeke
- Players = Should had known '______*
It's like the ultimate mindgame
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On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team
They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup.
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On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup.
Oh if you want to talk raw strength in an allkill format, then yes, Acer is very, very good; Aligulac does have them as the best team right now:
http://aligulac.com/teams/
Usually when people say "deepest lineup" they're referencing how strong the 4th/5th/6th best player on the team is, though.
Like...I don't think many people would dispute Bly as being 5th best in the Acer lineup, and for a 5th best player, Bly is actually unusually scary.
Like...who's the 5th best player on TL? Ret? I'd take Bly over Ret.
What about Mousesports? Mana or Hope I'm thinking? Bly is impressing me more than those two right now.
Western Wolves? They actually have only been fielding four of their own players, using the joker mechanic.
Axiom though? Fifth best player on Axiom would be...Heart maybe? Yeah, I'd believe Heart is better than Bly.
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On November 20 2013 23:08 SinCitta wrote:
What, coL have their next match against Millenium in two hours? oO
So I guess this isn't happening?
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On November 21 2013 01:26 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:08 SinCitta wrote:
What, coL have their next match against Millenium in two hours? oO So I guess this isn't happening?
On November 21 2013 00:46 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:44 SinCitta wrote:
TaKe makes no mention of the match in 15min, so don't know if there will be one or not. TaKe mentioned in chat that it has been postponed
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Great for Axiom that MMA and Innovation didn't have to play. Now they can prepare for GSTL.
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On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup.
I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that
Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett
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@SinCitta, thanks I missed that post
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On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett
Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA.
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On November 21 2013 02:00 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA.
He interpreted "team outside of korea" as "foreign roster". With that interpretation his statement is correct. Without it (thus including MMA/Innovation), Acer would be stronger.
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On November 21 2013 02:20 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 02:00 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA. He interpreted "team outside of korea" as "foreign roster". With that interpretation his statement is correct. Without it (thus including MMA/Innovation), Acer would be stronger.
Well, Team Liquid is leading in number of premier tournaments won this year. Acer is very strong though.
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On November 21 2013 02:27 Nightwishone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 02:20 Xoronius wrote:On November 21 2013 02:00 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA. He interpreted "team outside of korea" as "foreign roster". With that interpretation his statement is correct. Without it (thus including MMA/Innovation), Acer would be stronger. Well, Team Liquid is leading in number of premier tournaments won this year. Acer is very strong though.
poor EG only 1 gold in 8 finals appearances
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On November 21 2013 02:27 Nightwishone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 02:20 Xoronius wrote:On November 21 2013 02:00 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA. He interpreted "team outside of korea" as "foreign roster". With that interpretation his statement is correct. Without it (thus including MMA/Innovation), Acer would be stronger. Well, Team Liquid is leading in number of premier tournaments won this year. Acer is very strong though.
I was saying Mouz>Acer excluding koreans and Acer>Mouz including koreans in terms of strengh. I´m not sure, what either one has to do with Liquid, since we were already very derailed from the original statement. The results of ATC however, would make a point of Acer>Liquid.
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Liquid? You mean Team Taeja and Friends?
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On November 21 2013 02:27 Nightwishone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 02:20 Xoronius wrote:On November 21 2013 02:00 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA. He interpreted "team outside of korea" as "foreign roster". With that interpretation his statement is correct. Without it (thus including MMA/Innovation), Acer would be stronger. Well, Team Liquid is leading in number of premier tournaments won this year. Acer is very strong though.
That's because Liquid always has a presence at premier tournaments (they send their players everywhere). They might not have the best players, but the strategy is correct: it doesn't matter how good you are if you don't have a chance to compete
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On November 21 2013 03:07 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 02:27 Nightwishone wrote:On November 21 2013 02:20 Xoronius wrote:On November 21 2013 02:00 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 01:41 JustPassingBy wrote:On November 21 2013 00:52 Squat wrote:On November 21 2013 00:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 21 2013 00:43 Promethelax wrote:
Congrats acer. Crazy that a team with only two races is the deepest line up in this competition. I'd say Axiom is the most balanced team They have a better balanced roster for sure, but they lack the heavy hitters of Acer. I'm pretty sure Acer is the best team outside Korea right now, even with the very small lineup. I wouldn't be so sure. When it comes to foreign teams, I'd still stay mouz > acer, since I believe that Hasuobs / Heromarine / hOpe / Lucifron / Mana / Vortix > Bly / DarkHydra / Paranoid / Nerchio / Scarlett Uhm, you kind of have to include everyone on the team, like Innovation and MMA. He interpreted "team outside of korea" as "foreign roster". With that interpretation his statement is correct. Without it (thus including MMA/Innovation), Acer would be stronger. Well, Team Liquid is leading in number of premier tournaments won this year. Acer is very strong though. That's because Liquid always has a presence at premier tournaments (they send their players everywhere). They might not have the best players, but the strategy is correct: it doesn't matter how good you are if you don't have a chance to compete
Not only that, but Liquid players are among the most regularly invited to events.
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I just read the rules. Basically, if Quantic wins vs Liquid they get the 4th spot. As far as I can tell no other team can get 6 wins. However, if Liquid wins, they need to win 5-2 or better to get a better map differential than mouz. Then there is also millenium, but they need to win a lot to get a better differential. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Quantic vs Liquid should be quite the interesting match.
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