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On November 10 2013 10:38 Cereb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:35 Killcani wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 Strela wrote:On November 10 2013 10:26 Killcani wrote:
SC2 games are still not as entertaining as in BW. I hope lotv can fix this but I doubt it. Nostalgia is a bitch  That's not true I got into sc2 when it was released and I found vods of old bw matches to be more fun to watch than the average sc2 game. How does that disprove anything he said ? :p SC2 <3
I didn't play bw or watch it before sc2 so there's no nostalgia  .
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Reports coming in that the broadcast had to be cut off early due to flooding at the venue from all the Jaedong fanboy tears.
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Northern Ireland26780 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 10 2013 10:32 mordk wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 Ragnarork wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 mordk wrote:On November 10 2013 10:26 Ragnarork wrote:On November 10 2013 10:25 ninjamyst wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 Fusilero wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 DiLiGu wrote:
Faceless Korean takes it!
What a terrible conclusion to WCS. So besides winning, what does jaedong have over shy in terms of personality? his legend, his emotions, his fans. when JD wins a match, the crowd reacts way stronger than other players. Yeah so if you're not a BW legend you can't win a tournament ? Good mentality. Oh, and sOs was sHy before, and not an unknown at all (and he's been there since the switch, placing consistently high). Being there all the time yet still being faceless shows just HOW FACELESS sOs actually is... Even aLive is more memorable Well, I can see his face pretty well, and I remember him since he's entered Code S (he was one of the first Kespa players to do it). The fact you don't remember the guy doesn't mean he's faceless... Not just me though... there's even a guy hosting a barcraft saying how faceless he is. Not many people care about him, that doesn't mean he's a bad player, he's great, he just doesn't inspire the amount of fans other players do, he's a lot like aLive except sOs is a far better player It's nonsensical lol. People have no consistency when it comes to the 'faceless' tag. Flash is hardly a beacon of charisma for one? Is it playstyle, is it results, is it charisma? Wtf do you have to do to NOT be faceless other than not being a player some butthurt asshole doesn't like? Hell even posts like 'shame Dear didn't do it, he's much better than sOs' when the latter is a paragon of wackiness and improvisation, and the former is the definition of a really solid Protoss player? Wait. Dear is the definition of a really solid Protoss player.
He's merely a synonym, Rain is the one who got to the dictionary first
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Great tournament and excellent production.
Also it could've been much worse. Imagine aLive vs Revival finals.
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On November 10 2013 10:35 Killcani wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:30 Strela wrote:On November 10 2013 10:26 Killcani wrote:
SC2 games are still not as entertaining as in BW. I hope lotv can fix this but I doubt it. Nostalgia is a bitch That's not true I got into sc2 when it was released and I found vods of old bw matches to be more fun to watch than the average sc2 game.
Maybe not for you, but I do think most people are just too nostalgic. If you look back at the LR threads when bw was the only game around, a lot of the games' recommendations were pretty bad. Nowadays, people are just like FUCK YEAH BW, EVEN THE CHEESES ARE FUN AND AMAZING TO WATCH - which I know was not the same sentiment at the time.
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DreamHack Winter and IEM Singapore. There had to be one 1st place.
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United States97276 Posts
I'm pretty content with Blizzcon. It may not have been the champion everyone wanted but pretty much every series was pretty good in general. Hopefully some good changes for WCS are made next year and we can have an ever better tournament.
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On November 10 2013 10:37 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:35 Killcani wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 Strela wrote:On November 10 2013 10:26 Killcani wrote:
SC2 games are still not as entertaining as in BW. I hope lotv can fix this but I doubt it. Nostalgia is a bitch That's not true I got into sc2 when it was released and I found vods of old bw matches to be more fun to watch than the average sc2 game. I thought the games were pretty epic and super cool to watch and Im as much of an emo about bw as the other elitists and esports hipsters here.
Also there is a very simple solution if you prefer bw: Watch Broodwar instead of SC2... [And stop polluting LR-Threads with such kind of bullshit]
It was a good tournament with good games and the usual whining when a toss wins is just so much fun even considerung I am a Terran.
I didn't play bw or watch it before sc2 so there's no nostalgia .
Very uninteresting, have fun with broodwar.
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On November 10 2013 10:37 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:36 negativedge wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 NguN wrote:On November 10 2013 10:34 ElvenAshwin wrote:
Eh i personally didn't know about sOs before this, neither did most of the guys watching this with me.
But doing a bit of reading, it seems he beat JD in the r016 for Dreamhack Bucharest? Semi finalist WCS KR S1 and finalist at S1 Season Finals.... People need to stay more in touch with WCS KR! he was also the second best protoss in proleague Who was #1? Rain? Dear?
Rain.
You could argue Dear over sOs for second by the end, but if you look at the season as a whole I'd definitely go with sOs.
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On November 10 2013 10:39 Walnuts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:37 IntoTheheart wrote:On November 10 2013 10:36 negativedge wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 NguN wrote:On November 10 2013 10:34 ElvenAshwin wrote:
Eh i personally didn't know about sOs before this, neither did most of the guys watching this with me.
But doing a bit of reading, it seems he beat JD in the r016 for Dreamhack Bucharest? Semi finalist WCS KR S1 and finalist at S1 Season Finals.... People need to stay more in touch with WCS KR! he was also the second best protoss in proleague Who was #1? Rain? Dear? Rain
Unfortunate play-offs though. 
He's 0-X in SC2 playoffs too.
Hopefully Rain fixes that for next season.
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On November 10 2013 10:37 moon_fall wrote:
Grandfinal between Jaedong and sOs is actually a good example of difference between SC BW and SC2. In BW, "hard skill" like micro and macro are all that matters. Hence a good player will be good throughout his career. SC2, on the other hand, somewhat focuses on "soft skill" like mind-game and building hard counter armies, which is much more dicey. So a legendary player in SC2 will not stay in legend for long.
"Mind-games" also include a lot of luck (he thinks that i think that he thinks etc.), SOS got lucky, but his wins didnt entirely rely on luck, he is a really good player aswell. It could have also gone the other way round.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:39 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 10 2013 10:32 mordk wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 Ragnarork wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 mordk wrote:On November 10 2013 10:26 Ragnarork wrote:On November 10 2013 10:25 ninjamyst wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 Fusilero wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 DiLiGu wrote:
Faceless Korean takes it!
What a terrible conclusion to WCS. So besides winning, what does jaedong have over shy in terms of personality? his legend, his emotions, his fans. when JD wins a match, the crowd reacts way stronger than other players. Yeah so if you're not a BW legend you can't win a tournament ? Good mentality. Oh, and sOs was sHy before, and not an unknown at all (and he's been there since the switch, placing consistently high). Being there all the time yet still being faceless shows just HOW FACELESS sOs actually is... Even aLive is more memorable Well, I can see his face pretty well, and I remember him since he's entered Code S (he was one of the first Kespa players to do it). The fact you don't remember the guy doesn't mean he's faceless... Not just me though... there's even a guy hosting a barcraft saying how faceless he is. Not many people care about him, that doesn't mean he's a bad player, he's great, he just doesn't inspire the amount of fans other players do, he's a lot like aLive except sOs is a far better player It's nonsensical lol. People have no consistency when it comes to the 'faceless' tag. Flash is hardly a beacon of charisma for one? Is it playstyle, is it results, is it charisma? Wtf do you have to do to NOT be faceless other than not being a player some butthurt asshole doesn't like? Hell even posts like 'shame Dear didn't do it, he's much better than sOs' when the latter is a paragon of wackiness and improvisation, and the former is the definition of a really solid Protoss player? Wait. Dear is the definition of a really solid Protoss player. He's merely a synonym, Rain is the one who got to the dictionary first
Rain is definition of really safe Protoss player. Not solid, safe.
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On November 10 2013 10:39 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:38 Steins;Gate wrote:
sOs is going to be at red bull grounds ^^
and then dreamhack. Jaedong still has one last chance this year! sOs got his last tournament of year ride. Soulkey will be at WCG, sOs at DH:W Whom should i choose?
Soulkey got owned by innovation and won't be at wcg.
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On November 10 2013 10:38 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:34 Elite_ wrote:On November 10 2013 10:32 Ammanas wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:Sad. Another faceless champion. At least a Kespa player won.  GGs! Thanks ESL for this fantastic production! Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Then most people haven't watched any SC2 in the first half of this year. sOs was in semis of first GSL, he was 2nd in WCS Season 1 Finals, he was 2nd in Asian Martial Arts Tournament... And more importantly, he is the guy, who created brand new styles of protoss play in both PvZ AND PvT throughout his Proleague games. Also was the Protoss with most wins throughout Proleague AND Protoss Proleague MVP. Carried WJS to victory in the regular season, together with Soulkey. Had MORE wins than Soulkey, iirc. So yeah, fuck most people (and they should also shut up and do their data check...) Faceless doesn't mean he doesn't show entertaining games or get good results... Faceless means he shows 0 personality... I'd say he fits the description of faceless quite well, but that's just me. To be honest, Jaedong isn't exactly someone who shows a lot of personality either. Neither has Flash. I honestly don't care about personality, I just want to see insanely good players play insanely good games, and they delivered big time this weekend.
Jaedong at least tries to interact with the foreign community by speaking some English... and I wasn't trying to say you shouldn't like a player because he's faceless, I was explaining to the guy that was saying good results =/= faceless that he was wrong.
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On November 10 2013 10:36 unigolyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:35 NguN wrote:On November 10 2013 10:34 ElvenAshwin wrote:
Eh i personally didn't know about sOs before this, neither did most of the guys watching this with me.
But doing a bit of reading, it seems he beat JD in the r016 for Dreamhack Bucharest? Semi finalist WCS KR S1 and finalist at S1 Season Finals.... People need to stay more in touch with WCS KR! GOM needs to release VODs on YouTube and I might.
You can find them on wcs_osl channel on twitch.
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When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.
I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year.
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France133 Posts
It's strange that the only game jaedong won was the one he did not have all the information.
I really think he loses many games because he is over cautious and does not want to commit enough,
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On November 10 2013 10:39 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:37 templar rage wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:Sad. Another faceless champion. At least a Kespa player won. GGs! Thanks ESL for this fantastic production! Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. Guess what, it's fucking boring when players you don't give a shit about win tournaments too. How did you start to give a shit about said players, enlighten me?
You pick the korean that's on EG or TL because being on one of those teams gives you personality obviously.
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Congrats to SOS! Definitely the better player.
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EPT
