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On November 08 2013 21:02 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 20:54 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Did you watch sOs vs Innovation? It wasn't so much a case of Innovation's TvP being particularly good as it was sOs looking really, really bad. He choked on the main stage, in the Grand Finals, harder than Innovation did in WCS KR finals. Mvp's a veteran of finals and big stages, so I have no doubt he'd have taken the finals. Perhaps not as impressively as Innovation did, but I can't see sOs winning it the way he looked those games. Also, Innovation's TvT has held him back in recent tournaments, but it wasn't notably weaker than his other match ups in Season 1. It was only after Hellbat nerfs that he became significantly weaker in TvT. I was talking about Innovation now to show that success in one match up doesn't translate to another. And the difference between Innovation and MVP in TvP is pretty huge. And btw sOs took out Bomber, Taeja, and MKP in his WCS season 1 run. But MVP would have beaten him when he couldn't even beat Alicia? You honestly believe that? You don't think maybe the nerves for sOs were partially because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world?
And seeing a player of Innovation's caliber beaten by someone as known for winning titles as Mvp wouldn't give him nerves? And no, I don't think his nerves were because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world. I think he choked because he'd never been in a match that important, never played a finals of that prestige, and couldn't handle the pressure. The Terran's sOs beat before the finals are completely irrelevant when compared with that kind of pressure. And more than that, Mvp losing to Alicia is also completely irrelevant. He's the King of bo5+ series. You don't think Mvp would have a significantly better chance of winning in a bo7 series over a choking protoss than he would in a bo3?
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Canada16217 Posts
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On November 08 2013 21:05 Cereb wrote:Where are the Vods of the tiebreaker? Can't seem to find 'em 
http://de.twitch.tv/wcs/b/476959027
the start is fun though.
at least it was fun when it was live
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Does anyone know how fast VODs will be uploaded and if they are free?
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On November 08 2013 21:08 herMan wrote:
Does anyone know how fast VODs will be uploaded and if they are free?
They will be free. ASAP I suppose.
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On November 08 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 20:57 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Every protoss You are right. Upon further inspection in season 1 MVP played against 4 protoss. Socke, Siw, Sase, and Alicia. He beat all but Alicia. But Alicia is god mod toss and much better than sOs right? Parting was scrub against terran, 80% winrate so bad. Squirtle same, garbage player. Naniwa? Who? Mvp is a 4 time GSL champion. He can beat everybody. Besides Alicia's PvT is better than sOs'
Oh no you are right. I forgot. MVP was really good in WoL. Of course he is just as good in HotS. Oh waits that? It doesn't work like that? Really you don't say. Oh and I like how you mention his last code S run from over a year ago but don't mention how he then fell completely out of the GSL. You are just coming off as a little dumb now dude. No one is saying MVP isn't an all time great. But to say that because he almost beat Innovation he would have been fine against sOs is stretching.
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On November 08 2013 21:08 herMan wrote:
Does anyone know how fast VODs will be uploaded and if they are free?
they are free and twitch loads up their vods really fast.
maybe blizzard will have someone how is uploading the vods of the played matches during the event but i wouldnt bet on that
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Austria24422 Posts
On November 08 2013 21:09 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Every protoss You are right. Upon further inspection in season 1 MVP played against 4 protoss. Socke, Siw, Sase, and Alicia. He beat all but Alicia. But Alicia is god mod toss and much better than sOs right? Parting was scrub against terran, 80% winrate so bad. Squirtle same, garbage player. Naniwa? Who? Mvp is a 4 time GSL champion. He can beat everybody. Besides Alicia's PvT is better than sOs' Oh no you are right. I forgot. MVP was really good in WoL. Of course he is just as good in HotS. Oh waits that? It doesn't work like that? Really you don't say. Oh and I like how you mention his last code S run from over a year ago but don't mention how he then fell completely out of the GSL. You are just coming off as a little dumb now dude. No one is saying MVP isn't an all time great. But to say that because he almost beat Innovation he would have been fine against sOs is stretching.
Which is why I'm not saying that. I said Mvp can beat everybody even when he looks like the biggest underdog of all time. Please read before posting.
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actually if you're just gonna post like this then don't even bother
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On November 08 2013 21:05 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:03 Calthrash wrote:
Best thing about this tournament is how id kinda be happy with any one of them winning the championship because every player in the tournament is so damn cool. Of course Im hoping for my top favorites like MMA to win but ill probably be pretty happy in the end no matter who takes the win!
.. As long as it isn't Naniwa that is.
. Maybe it's the Finn in me but I feel the same :D
Naniwa haters unite!
On November 08 2013 21:05 bourne117 wrote:
Alive
Id rather have Alive win than Naniwa, at least he is a korean terran, you can never go wrong with that!
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Thanks a lot for the links! Dunno how you guys found it
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Thanks opterown for the ridiculous OP and the fan interviews. You've put in way too much effort for this. Thanks for the hype!!
BTW, I always say your name as opera-town in my head...
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On November 08 2013 21:06 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:02 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:54 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Did you watch sOs vs Innovation? It wasn't so much a case of Innovation's TvP being particularly good as it was sOs looking really, really bad. He choked on the main stage, in the Grand Finals, harder than Innovation did in WCS KR finals. Mvp's a veteran of finals and big stages, so I have no doubt he'd have taken the finals. Perhaps not as impressively as Innovation did, but I can't see sOs winning it the way he looked those games. Also, Innovation's TvT has held him back in recent tournaments, but it wasn't notably weaker than his other match ups in Season 1. It was only after Hellbat nerfs that he became significantly weaker in TvT. I was talking about Innovation now to show that success in one match up doesn't translate to another. And the difference between Innovation and MVP in TvP is pretty huge. And btw sOs took out Bomber, Taeja, and MKP in his WCS season 1 run. But MVP would have beaten him when he couldn't even beat Alicia? You honestly believe that? You don't think maybe the nerves for sOs were partially because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world? And seeing a player of Innovation's caliber beaten by someone as known for winning titles as Mvp wouldn't give him nerves? And no, I don't think his nerves were because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world. I think he choked because he'd never been in a match that important, never played a finals of that prestige, and couldn't handle the pressure. The Terran's sOs beat before the finals are completely irrelevant when compared with that kind of pressure. And more than that, Mvp losing to Alicia is also completely irrelevant. He's the King of bo5+ series. You don't think Mvp would have a significantly better chance of winning in a bo7 series over a choking protoss than he would in a bo3?
I think you are greatly exaggerating how bad sOs was. Innovation at this point was like a machine. Any mistake you made you would destroy you for it. Plus sOs had just seen Soulkey try and prepare for this monster in the Code S finals. He knew very well how scary he was. Then you have MVP who had been getting slightly weaker and weaker each season. His TvT though was really the only matchup that didnt go away as quickly which is what actually happens most of the time. sOs beating players like Taeja or Bomber is pretty fucking important. Did you not see what they did the very next season. They were basically the two best terrans in season 2 along with Polt and Maru. Put MVP could totally take out sOs because its a bo7 right? Did that help mvp against life? No. At a certain point when you are MVP your wrists start to deteriorate and you start to lose that skill you once had. mvp was able to still play so great for so long because in part he had great decision making and build order choices but at a certain point the better player just wins and bottom line sOs was and is the better player TODAY and during the WCS season 1 like it or not. If they played 1000 games sOs would easily win the majority of them.
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On November 08 2013 21:03 Calthrash wrote:
Best thing about this tournament is how id kinda be happy with any one of them winning the championship because every player in the tournament is so damn cool. Of course Im hoping for my top favorites like MMA to win but ill probably be pretty happy in the end no matter who takes the win!
.. As long as it isn't Naniwa that is.
I'm right there with you, I would love MC to win but there are a lot of people who I could accept.
.. As long as it isn;t Naniwa that is.
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On November 08 2013 21:14 Calthrash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:05 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 21:03 Calthrash wrote:
Best thing about this tournament is how id kinda be happy with any one of them winning the championship because every player in the tournament is so damn cool. Of course Im hoping for my top favorites like MMA to win but ill probably be pretty happy in the end no matter who takes the win!
.. As long as it isn't Naniwa that is.
. Maybe it's the Finn in me but I feel the same :D Naniwa haters unite! Id rather have Alive win than Naniwa, at least he is a korean terran, you can never go wrong with that!
Except when they have no face and are fuelled by EG Money
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Only seven more hours
I am hype
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On November 08 2013 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:09 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Every protoss You are right. Upon further inspection in season 1 MVP played against 4 protoss. Socke, Siw, Sase, and Alicia. He beat all but Alicia. But Alicia is god mod toss and much better than sOs right? Parting was scrub against terran, 80% winrate so bad. Squirtle same, garbage player. Naniwa? Who? Mvp is a 4 time GSL champion. He can beat everybody. Besides Alicia's PvT is better than sOs' Oh no you are right. I forgot. MVP was really good in WoL. Of course he is just as good in HotS. Oh waits that? It doesn't work like that? Really you don't say. Oh and I like how you mention his last code S run from over a year ago but don't mention how he then fell completely out of the GSL. You are just coming off as a little dumb now dude. No one is saying MVP isn't an all time great. But to say that because he almost beat Innovation he would have been fine against sOs is stretching. Which is why I'm not saying that. I said Mvp can beat everybody even when he looks like the biggest underdog of all time. Please read before posting. ... actually if you're just gonna post like this then don't even bother
In your own words "lets face it he would have wrecked sOs with the way he looked vs Innovation" You are literally saying because he looked good and almost beat Innovation he would demolish sOs.
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class out early! now I can really get into the hype :D
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Austria24422 Posts
On November 08 2013 21:15 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:06 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 21:02 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:54 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Did you watch sOs vs Innovation? It wasn't so much a case of Innovation's TvP being particularly good as it was sOs looking really, really bad. He choked on the main stage, in the Grand Finals, harder than Innovation did in WCS KR finals. Mvp's a veteran of finals and big stages, so I have no doubt he'd have taken the finals. Perhaps not as impressively as Innovation did, but I can't see sOs winning it the way he looked those games. Also, Innovation's TvT has held him back in recent tournaments, but it wasn't notably weaker than his other match ups in Season 1. It was only after Hellbat nerfs that he became significantly weaker in TvT. I was talking about Innovation now to show that success in one match up doesn't translate to another. And the difference between Innovation and MVP in TvP is pretty huge. And btw sOs took out Bomber, Taeja, and MKP in his WCS season 1 run. But MVP would have beaten him when he couldn't even beat Alicia? You honestly believe that? You don't think maybe the nerves for sOs were partially because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world? And seeing a player of Innovation's caliber beaten by someone as known for winning titles as Mvp wouldn't give him nerves? And no, I don't think his nerves were because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world. I think he choked because he'd never been in a match that important, never played a finals of that prestige, and couldn't handle the pressure. The Terran's sOs beat before the finals are completely irrelevant when compared with that kind of pressure. And more than that, Mvp losing to Alicia is also completely irrelevant. He's the King of bo5+ series. You don't think Mvp would have a significantly better chance of winning in a bo7 series over a choking protoss than he would in a bo3? I think you are greatly exaggerating how bad sOs was. Innovation at this point was like a machine. Any mistake you made you would destroy you for it. Plus sOs had just seen Soulkey try and prepare for this monster in the Code S finals. He knew very well how scary he was. Then you have MVP who had been getting slightly weaker and weaker each season. His TvT though was really the only matchup that didnt go away as quickly which is what actually happens most of the time. sOs beating players like Taeja or Bomber is pretty fucking important. Did you not see what they did the very next season. They were basically the two best terrans in season 2 along with Polt and Maru. Put MVP could totally take out sOs because its a bo7 right? Did that help mvp against life? No. At a certain point when you are MVP your wrists start to deteriorate and you start to lose that skill you once had. mvp was able to still play so great for so long because in part he had great decision making and build order choices but at a certain point the better player just wins and bottom line sOs was and is the better player TODAY and during the WCS season 1 like it or not. If they played 1000 games sOs would easily win the majority of them.
BOTTOM LINE
Parting had an 80% winrate against protoss and would have likely won the majority of their games. IT. DID. NOT. MATTER.
How many games sOs could/should/would win doesn't mean shit if he doesn't win the ones that count, namely the ones at the actual tournament. So this really is a 100% pointless debate.
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On November 08 2013 21:18 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 21:09 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 bourne117 wrote:On November 08 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote:On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote:
How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe. it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret! It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang. Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs? Every protoss You are right. Upon further inspection in season 1 MVP played against 4 protoss. Socke, Siw, Sase, and Alicia. He beat all but Alicia. But Alicia is god mod toss and much better than sOs right? Parting was scrub against terran, 80% winrate so bad. Squirtle same, garbage player. Naniwa? Who? Mvp is a 4 time GSL champion. He can beat everybody. Besides Alicia's PvT is better than sOs' Oh no you are right. I forgot. MVP was really good in WoL. Of course he is just as good in HotS. Oh waits that? It doesn't work like that? Really you don't say. Oh and I like how you mention his last code S run from over a year ago but don't mention how he then fell completely out of the GSL. You are just coming off as a little dumb now dude. No one is saying MVP isn't an all time great. But to say that because he almost beat Innovation he would have been fine against sOs is stretching. Which is why I'm not saying that. I said Mvp can beat everybody even when he looks like the biggest underdog of all time. Please read before posting. ... actually if you're just gonna post like this then don't even bother In your own words "lets face it he would have wrecked sOs with the way he looked vs Innovation" You are literally saying because he looked good and almost beat Innovation he would demolish sOs.
Quote the post where I said that
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