On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
Why would I pretend I didn't say it? sOs looked terrible vs Innovation, it's no stretch to say Mvp would've wrecked him too.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs?
Did you watch sOs vs Innovation? It wasn't so much a case of Innovation's TvP being particularly good as it was sOs looking really, really bad. He choked on the main stage, in the Grand Finals, harder than Innovation did in WCS KR finals. Mvp's a veteran of finals and big stages, so I have no doubt he'd have taken the finals. Perhaps not as impressively as Innovation did, but I can't see sOs winning it the way he looked those games.
Also, Innovation's TvT has held him back in recent tournaments, but it wasn't notably weaker than his other match ups in Season 1. It was only after Hellbat nerfs that he became significantly weaker in TvT.
I was talking about Innovation now to show that success in one match up doesn't translate to another. And the difference between Innovation and MVP in TvP is pretty huge. And btw sOs took out Bomber, Taeja, and MKP in his WCS season 1 run. But MVP would have beaten him when he couldn't even beat Alicia? You honestly believe that? You don't think maybe the nerves for sOs were partially because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world?
And seeing a player of Innovation's caliber beaten by someone as known for winning titles as Mvp wouldn't give him nerves? And no, I don't think his nerves were because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world. I think he choked because he'd never been in a match that important, never played a finals of that prestige, and couldn't handle the pressure. The Terran's sOs beat before the finals are completely irrelevant when compared with that kind of pressure. And more than that, Mvp losing to Alicia is also completely irrelevant. He's the King of bo5+ series. You don't think Mvp would have a significantly better chance of winning in a bo7 series over a choking protoss than he would in a bo3?
I think you are greatly exaggerating how bad sOs was. Innovation at this point was like a machine. Any mistake you made you would destroy you for it. Plus sOs had just seen Soulkey try and prepare for this monster in the Code S finals. He knew very well how scary he was. Then you have MVP who had been getting slightly weaker and weaker each season. His TvT though was really the only matchup that didnt go away as quickly which is what actually happens most of the time. sOs beating players like Taeja or Bomber is pretty fucking important. Did you not see what they did the very next season. They were basically the two best terrans in season 2 along with Polt and Maru. Put MVP could totally take out sOs because its a bo7 right? Did that help mvp against life? No. At a certain point when you are MVP your wrists start to deteriorate and you start to lose that skill you once had. mvp was able to still play so great for so long because in part he had great decision making and build order choices but at a certain point the better player just wins and bottom line sOs was and is the better player TODAY and during the WCS season 1 like it or not. If they played 1000 games sOs would easily win the majority of them.
His TvT wasn't the only match up he was good in, he was also pretty fucking good in TvZ, check his finals vs Stephano. And before you say it, I'm aware that skill in TvZ =/= skill in TvP. And looking at what players did in Season 2 means next to nothing when we're talking about Season 1.What did Innovation do in Season 2 and Season 3? His results got progressively worse, as did pretty much everyone who isn't Soulkey or Polt.
And yes. Judging by Mvp's form - ignoring match ups for the moment - sOs' performance in the finals, and Mvp's history with bo7's, I'd say it being a bo7 would make a difference. Just as it did vs Life. Life was so ridiculously better than everyone in ZvT when Mvp lost to him, and somehow Mvp still managed to take it down to the wire, only really losing due to his degrading mechanics and a questionable move out. Ignoring his skill in mind games and build order choice in longer series would be silly when considering a hypothetical match up like this.
I won't deny that sOs may take more games in a bo1000, but that's just silly to even think about. He's almost certainly the better player as far as mechanics goes, that kind of comes with having no wrists. But Mvp is almost certainly the better player as far as build order choice and decision making goes.
That is the thing though. You are ignoring quite when you say ignore the match up. Mvp never showed good TvP in Hots. If you can show me a single top 10 or even top 20 toss he beat then please let me know. sOs again beat Bomber and Taeja. And you can say well they weren't good till Season 2 but maybe they didn't do as well initially because someone like sOs knocked them out. Both of those players still made the ro16 of the GSL and bomber made the ro8. Are you really going to say that beating bomber doesn't mean he is strong enough in the match up to beat Mvp. And what you say about life is my point. Mvp still had good TvZ as you said. His TvP is his weakest match up by his own admission. (He has said in the past his wrist issues have made ghost vs HT very very hard) and you can see this when he has really no noticeable TvP wins in the past. It would be like the Life series but slightly worse because Mvp is in a weaker matchup. Has no preparation and is overall slightly weaker.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs?
Every protoss
You are right. Upon further inspection in season 1 MVP played against 4 protoss. Socke, Siw, Sase, and Alicia. He beat all but Alicia. But Alicia is god mod toss and much better than sOs right?
Parting was scrub against terran, 80% winrate so bad. Squirtle same, garbage player. Naniwa? Who?
Mvp is a 4 time GSL champion. He can beat everybody. Besides Alicia's PvT is better than sOs'
Oh no you are right. I forgot. MVP was really good in WoL. Of course he is just as good in HotS. Oh waits that? It doesn't work like that? Really you don't say. Oh and I like how you mention his last code S run from over a year ago but don't mention how he then fell completely out of the GSL. You are just coming off as a little dumb now dude. No one is saying MVP isn't an all time great. But to say that because he almost beat Innovation he would have been fine against sOs is stretching.
But it's not really stretching. Mvp's home territory is a bo5+, while sOs was obviously new to playing a series like that. Mvp dropped off in season 2 & 3, but he was still playing great in season 1. If it's a random ladder best of 1 at that point then I would definitely give the edge to sOs, but not in a finals. There have only been three players to beat Mvp in a final: Bomber (TvT master who was on fire), MMA (who prepared that series amazingly well) and Life (who is now 18-0 in offline bo5+). I'm not saying Mvp would definitely win, but he would have definitely had a decent shot at winning
I have never been saying he couldn't win. The other guy literally said Mvp would crush sOs which is absolutely ludicrous. It might be closer than the skill levels might make it out to seem because of experience but sOs would still be a favorite and Mvp would certainly not just crush him like it was no big deal.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
TIL I'm LimitSEA
thx for enlightening me
Yeah I just realized my mistake lol. My bad I apologize.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs?
Did you watch sOs vs Innovation? It wasn't so much a case of Innovation's TvP being particularly good as it was sOs looking really, really bad. He choked on the main stage, in the Grand Finals, harder than Innovation did in WCS KR finals. Mvp's a veteran of finals and big stages, so I have no doubt he'd have taken the finals. Perhaps not as impressively as Innovation did, but I can't see sOs winning it the way he looked those games.
Also, Innovation's TvT has held him back in recent tournaments, but it wasn't notably weaker than his other match ups in Season 1. It was only after Hellbat nerfs that he became significantly weaker in TvT.
I was talking about Innovation now to show that success in one match up doesn't translate to another. And the difference between Innovation and MVP in TvP is pretty huge. And btw sOs took out Bomber, Taeja, and MKP in his WCS season 1 run. But MVP would have beaten him when he couldn't even beat Alicia? You honestly believe that? You don't think maybe the nerves for sOs were partially because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world?
And seeing a player of Innovation's caliber beaten by someone as known for winning titles as Mvp wouldn't give him nerves? And no, I don't think his nerves were because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world. I think he choked because he'd never been in a match that important, never played a finals of that prestige, and couldn't handle the pressure. The Terran's sOs beat before the finals are completely irrelevant when compared with that kind of pressure. And more than that, Mvp losing to Alicia is also completely irrelevant. He's the King of bo5+ series. You don't think Mvp would have a significantly better chance of winning in a bo7 series over a choking protoss than he would in a bo3?
I think you are greatly exaggerating how bad sOs was. Innovation at this point was like a machine. Any mistake you made you would destroy you for it. Plus sOs had just seen Soulkey try and prepare for this monster in the Code S finals. He knew very well how scary he was. Then you have MVP who had been getting slightly weaker and weaker each season. His TvT though was really the only matchup that didnt go away as quickly which is what actually happens most of the time. sOs beating players like Taeja or Bomber is pretty fucking important. Did you not see what they did the very next season. They were basically the two best terrans in season 2 along with Polt and Maru. Put MVP could totally take out sOs because its a bo7 right? Did that help mvp against life? No. At a certain point when you are MVP your wrists start to deteriorate and you start to lose that skill you once had. mvp was able to still play so great for so long because in part he had great decision making and build order choices but at a certain point the better player just wins and bottom line sOs was and is the better player TODAY and during the WCS season 1 like it or not. If they played 1000 games sOs would easily win the majority of them.
His TvT wasn't the only match up he was good in, he was also pretty fucking good in TvZ, check his finals vs Stephano. And before you say it, I'm aware that skill in TvZ =/= skill in TvP. And looking at what players did in Season 2 means next to nothing when we're talking about Season 1.What did Innovation do in Season 2 and Season 3? His results got progressively worse, as did pretty much everyone who isn't Soulkey or Polt.
And yes. Judging by Mvp's form - ignoring match ups for the moment - sOs' performance in the finals, and Mvp's history with bo7's, I'd say it being a bo7 would make a difference. Just as it did vs Life. Life was so ridiculously better than everyone in ZvT when Mvp lost to him, and somehow Mvp still managed to take it down to the wire, only really losing due to his degrading mechanics and a questionable move out. Ignoring his skill in mind games and build order choice in longer series would be silly when considering a hypothetical match up like this.
I won't deny that sOs may take more games in a bo1000, but that's just silly to even think about. He's almost certainly the better player as far as mechanics goes, that kind of comes with having no wrists. But Mvp is almost certainly the better player as far as build order choice and decision making goes.
That is the thing though. You are ignoring quite when you say ignore the match up. Mvp never showed good TvP in Hots. If you can show me a single top 10 or even top 20 toss he beat then please let me know. sOs again beat Bomber and Taeja. And you can say well they weren't good till Season 2 but maybe they didn't do as well initially because someone like sOs knocked them out. Both of those players still made the ro16 of the GSL and bomber made the ro8. Are you really going to say that beating bomber doesn't mean he is strong enough in the match up to beat Mvp. And what you say about life is my point. Mvp still had good TvZ as you said. His TvP is his weakest match up by his own admission. (He has said in the past his wrist issues have made ghost vs HT very very hard) and you can see this when he has really no noticeable TvP wins in the past. It would be like the Life series but slightly worse because Mvp is in a weaker matchup. Has no preparation and is overall slightly weaker.
I can't believe how in depth we're getting here for a hypothetical situation, but my fault. I get that ignoring the match up is a big deal, and in a bo3 or even maybe a bo5 that wasn't the finals themselves, I would agree 100% that Mvp wouldn't have beaten sOs. sOs looked great that season. But it's the finals, with a lot on the line and a lot of pressure, in a bo7. The fact remains, sOs choked horribly vs Innovation in those bo7 finals, Mvp is a beast in bo7's, and his form looked good enough that I'd back him.
It really comes down to whether you think Mvp's TvP was bad enough vs sOs' PvT to override choking and Mvp's mind. I, personally, do not. It's clear you think sOs' mechanics and PvT are good enough compared to Mvp's TvP and degraded mechanics that he'd win regardless, but that's where I disagree. And really, that's just subjective. I won't draw this out any further since it's just a hypothetical situation and I don't want things to get too heated.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
TIL I'm LimitSEA
thx for enlightening me
Yeah I just realized my mistake lol. My bad I apologize.
It happens, we do look like brothers!
Having a shitty day so far, work SUCKS and people are being assholes to my favorite Swedish writer. Gonna need HerO to 3-0 sOs please.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
TIL I'm LimitSEA
thx for enlightening me
If we're the same person, does that mean I can submit articles for TL now? I have a lot to say and zero statistics to back up my writing, I hope that isn't a problem.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
TIL I'm LimitSEA
thx for enlightening me
Yeah I just realized my mistake lol. My bad I apologize.
It happens, we do look like brothers!
Having a shitty day so far, work SUCKS and people are being assholes to my favorite Swedish writer. Gonna need HerO to 3-0 sOs please.
I don't understand! I love that writeup of Naniwa. I think people maybe expecting too much, cuz nani is somehow a different one.
On November 08 2013 20:39 LimitSEA wrote: How many of these pages is from the LR Grudgematch? 311 before Blizzcon even starts, that's pretty impressive.
In other news, Mvp to shock the world and prove the disbelievers wrong, taking another Premiership title and once again proving himself the best to ever touch the game. I believe.
it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
You said it right there. Still want to say you didn't?
TIL I'm LimitSEA
thx for enlightening me
Yeah I just realized my mistake lol. My bad I apologize.
It happens, we do look like brothers!
Having a shitty day so far, work SUCKS and people are being assholes to my favorite Swedish writer. Gonna need HerO to 3-0 sOs please.
Hope your day gets better! Here's a video of cute puppies falling asleep
On November 08 2013 20:41 y0su wrote: [quote] it only works if you keep your belief in Mvp a secret!
It wasn't a secret I believed in him when he beat Naniwa, PartinG and Squirtle in 2012, or when he almost took the Season 1 Global Finals this year ('cause let's face it, he would've wrecked sOs the way he looked vs Innovation). A Champion's a Champion, no matter what. He's just got that class, mang.
Because he looked good in TvT he must be good in TvP? Innovation has godlike TvZ so his TvT must be amazing also right? Oh whats that his TvT has actually held him back a lot in recent tournaments you don't say. What Protoss did MVP defeat of even semi notoriety that suggests he could do the same vs sOs?
Did you watch sOs vs Innovation? It wasn't so much a case of Innovation's TvP being particularly good as it was sOs looking really, really bad. He choked on the main stage, in the Grand Finals, harder than Innovation did in WCS KR finals. Mvp's a veteran of finals and big stages, so I have no doubt he'd have taken the finals. Perhaps not as impressively as Innovation did, but I can't see sOs winning it the way he looked those games.
Also, Innovation's TvT has held him back in recent tournaments, but it wasn't notably weaker than his other match ups in Season 1. It was only after Hellbat nerfs that he became significantly weaker in TvT.
I was talking about Innovation now to show that success in one match up doesn't translate to another. And the difference between Innovation and MVP in TvP is pretty huge. And btw sOs took out Bomber, Taeja, and MKP in his WCS season 1 run. But MVP would have beaten him when he couldn't even beat Alicia? You honestly believe that? You don't think maybe the nerves for sOs were partially because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world?
And seeing a player of Innovation's caliber beaten by someone as known for winning titles as Mvp wouldn't give him nerves? And no, I don't think his nerves were because he was up against the undoubted best player in the world. I think he choked because he'd never been in a match that important, never played a finals of that prestige, and couldn't handle the pressure. The Terran's sOs beat before the finals are completely irrelevant when compared with that kind of pressure. And more than that, Mvp losing to Alicia is also completely irrelevant. He's the King of bo5+ series. You don't think Mvp would have a significantly better chance of winning in a bo7 series over a choking protoss than he would in a bo3?
I think you are greatly exaggerating how bad sOs was. Innovation at this point was like a machine. Any mistake you made you would destroy you for it. Plus sOs had just seen Soulkey try and prepare for this monster in the Code S finals. He knew very well how scary he was. Then you have MVP who had been getting slightly weaker and weaker each season. His TvT though was really the only matchup that didnt go away as quickly which is what actually happens most of the time. sOs beating players like Taeja or Bomber is pretty fucking important. Did you not see what they did the very next season. They were basically the two best terrans in season 2 along with Polt and Maru. Put MVP could totally take out sOs because its a bo7 right? Did that help mvp against life? No. At a certain point when you are MVP your wrists start to deteriorate and you start to lose that skill you once had. mvp was able to still play so great for so long because in part he had great decision making and build order choices but at a certain point the better player just wins and bottom line sOs was and is the better player TODAY and during the WCS season 1 like it or not. If they played 1000 games sOs would easily win the majority of them.
His TvT wasn't the only match up he was good in, he was also pretty fucking good in TvZ, check his finals vs Stephano. And before you say it, I'm aware that skill in TvZ =/= skill in TvP. And looking at what players did in Season 2 means next to nothing when we're talking about Season 1.What did Innovation do in Season 2 and Season 3? His results got progressively worse, as did pretty much everyone who isn't Soulkey or Polt.
And yes. Judging by Mvp's form - ignoring match ups for the moment - sOs' performance in the finals, and Mvp's history with bo7's, I'd say it being a bo7 would make a difference. Just as it did vs Life. Life was so ridiculously better than everyone in ZvT when Mvp lost to him, and somehow Mvp still managed to take it down to the wire, only really losing due to his degrading mechanics and a questionable move out. Ignoring his skill in mind games and build order choice in longer series would be silly when considering a hypothetical match up like this.
I won't deny that sOs may take more games in a bo1000, but that's just silly to even think about. He's almost certainly the better player as far as mechanics goes, that kind of comes with having no wrists. But Mvp is almost certainly the better player as far as build order choice and decision making goes.
That is the thing though. You are ignoring quite when you say ignore the match up. Mvp never showed good TvP in Hots. If you can show me a single top 10 or even top 20 toss he beat then please let me know. sOs again beat Bomber and Taeja. And you can say well they weren't good till Season 2 but maybe they didn't do as well initially because someone like sOs knocked them out. Both of those players still made the ro16 of the GSL and bomber made the ro8. Are you really going to say that beating bomber doesn't mean he is strong enough in the match up to beat Mvp. And what you say about life is my point. Mvp still had good TvZ as you said. His TvP is his weakest match up by his own admission. (He has said in the past his wrist issues have made ghost vs HT very very hard) and you can see this when he has really no noticeable TvP wins in the past. It would be like the Life series but slightly worse because Mvp is in a weaker matchup. Has no preparation and is overall slightly weaker.
I can't believe how in depth we're getting here for a hypothetical situation, but my fault. I get that ignoring the match up is a big deal, and in a bo3 or even maybe a bo5 that wasn't the finals themselves, I would agree 100% that Mvp wouldn't have beaten sOs. sOs looked great that season. But it's the finals, with a lot on the line and a lot of pressure, in a bo7. The fact remains, sOs choked horribly vs Innovation in those bo7 finals, Mvp is a beast in bo7's, and his form looked good enough that I'd back him.
It really comes down to whether you think Mvp's TvP was bad enough vs sOs' PvT to override choking and Mvp's mind. I, personally, do not. It's clear you think sOs' mechanics and PvT are good enough compared to Mvp's TvP and degraded mechanics that he'd win regardless, but that's where I disagree. And really, that's just subjective. I won't draw this out any further since it's just a hypothetical situation and I don't want things to get too heated.
lol I mean the match up kind of matters a little bit. And yeah this whole argument has gotten pretty out of hand. Though I would just like add one final thing that I don't think sOs chocked as hard as you make it out to be. He might have made some mistakes but I don't think things go so horribly if he isn't playing against someone like Innovation. With Innovation any mistake can cost him the game. Mvp is good but he wasn't close to that level in TvP at this point. Ok that's it I'm done with this also. Good day to you sir and I hope you enjoy the super sick tournament coming up as much as I certainly will.
On November 08 2013 21:49 Daswollvieh wrote: Dear Santa, I won´t want anything for Christmas, if you give Mvp new wrists so he can rule justly over the Starcraft lands again.
On November 08 2013 21:49 Daswollvieh wrote: Dear Santa, I won´t want anything for Christmas, if you give Mvp new wrists so he can rule justly over the Starcraft lands again.
Mvp should rest for a few months and heal his wrists up, then back to the game. Sad he didn't have enough time.
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