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Please avoid balance whining as usual.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3941
Ok... So Naniwa have already beaten Innovation... But can he beat Soulkey?
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3942
On October 28 2013 08:24 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:23 Topin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:22 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.

that has to be a troll

dont worry we will get nerfed again after blizzcon and procede to dominiate 2014

lol, there are no nerfs that can stop the terran machine

don't talk to me about unit nerfs, nothing will make terran weak in this game when they can still float all their buildings over mine and make me forget what tech i have
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3943
On October 28 2013 08:25 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:24 KeksX wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:22 Green_25 wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:18 havok55 wrote:
Soulkey is an honorary Swede.

Swedish nickname needed?


Should be Rødgrød or something stupid like that.


Not a Danish one you silly

I bet you Swedes have something similar! Just use that for SK
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3944
On October 28 2013 08:24 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Semi Finals #2

(Z)Soulkey vs (P)Trap

Game 3

Map - Yansoo...or something

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

00:00- Soulkey spawns Top Right Trap spawns Bottom Lef

spelled yeonsu if you wanted to know

fucking yansoo. Killing LRs since like... last night or something.
dreaming of a sunny day
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3945
On October 28 2013 08:22 Weavel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.
Terran got owned both in brood war and Heart of the swarm.


Yeah man...boxer, iloveoov, xellos, nada, fantasy, and flash were scrubs.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3946
On October 28 2013 08:22 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:21 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Hryul wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:17 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:15 tshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:14 Facultyadjutant wrote:
I am cheering for soulkey due to naniwa

However, I do not know why I find myself doing the mistake of visiting naniwas twitter time to time

It is always a dissapointing trip

He doesn't have any clinical problems, right? Like he's just 'interesting' as personalities, go, not like medically diagnosed with something, right?

if he were medically diagnosed with an emotional disorder why would he make that public? also, you don't need a medical diagnosis to deserve empathy for having emotional problems

empathy for people acting like assholes. are we already at this point?

no? my post reads "empathy for having emotional problems." why would you change what i wrote to make it mean something completely different?

you can have empathy for the reasons someone is an asshole without excusing them for it. the empathy is what makes it possible to help people improve their attitudes, because putting someone down and making them feel bad isn't going to cause kinder behavior

Exactly.I think that's why i asked that question... Cause he's so ... consistent, I guess. I dont even feel angry or anything anymore, it's just like "Aw ok, I hope you get better : ("

No but I believe that reactions have an impact on behavior. and empathy can easily be misinterpreted as encouraging feedback. That's why i'm reluctant about empathy.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 27 2013 23:26 GMT
#3947
On October 28 2013 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Semi Finals #2

(Z)Soulkey vs (P)Trap

Game 3

Map - Yansoo...or something

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

00:00- Soulkey spawns Top Right Trap spawns Bottom Lef


01:00- alright pylons and drones, just gobbling them minerals
like soulkey forces protoss to gobble on his cock
gateway in base for trap

02:00- Hatch first from SK
huge balls
gas from SK
pool
Core from Trap

03:00- so probe just checking out the zerg base
worst holiday ever imo
and warp gate begins
SK got loads of cash bro
2 queen and speed

04:00- nexus goes down
you guys ever tried the 4 gate on one base, legit build
sentry, MSC is out

05:00- Stargate at the front for Trap
will we see glowing testicle or the giant flying dick laser
I know where my loyalty lies
ALL HAIL THE DICK LASER!!!
BROWOWOWOWOWo
3rd Hatch
Zerg for Life
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
October 27 2013 23:27 GMT
#3948
Awww yeah, Nani fighting!
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
October 27 2013 23:27 GMT
#3949
It's pretty cool that all 3 WCS Korea winners are semi-finalists.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 27 2013 23:27 GMT
#3950
On October 28 2013 08:25 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:21 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Hryul wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:17 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:15 tshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:14 Facultyadjutant wrote:
I am cheering for soulkey due to naniwa

However, I do not know why I find myself doing the mistake of visiting naniwas twitter time to time

It is always a dissapointing trip

He doesn't have any clinical problems, right? Like he's just 'interesting' as personalities, go, not like medically diagnosed with something, right?

if he were medically diagnosed with an emotional disorder why would he make that public? also, you don't need a medical diagnosis to deserve empathy for having emotional problems

empathy for people acting like assholes. are we already at this point?

no? my post reads "empathy for having emotional problems." why would you change what i wrote to make it mean something completely different?

you can have empathy for the reasons someone is an asshole without excusing them for it. the empathy is what makes it possible to help people improve their attitudes, because putting someone down and making them feel bad isn't going to cause kinder behavior


Being fans of assholes gives them positive reinforcement to continue being assholes. They should be shamed into changing their behavior or simply ignored.

1) how did you get "being a fan" out of "having empathy"?
2) "shaming" people for being assholes does not make them nicer, it makes them more isolated from society, which makes it MORE likely they will continue to be assholse
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#3951
On October 28 2013 08:26 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:24 packrat386 wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:23 Topin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:22 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.

that has to be a troll

dont worry we will get nerfed again after blizzcon and procede to dominiate 2014

lol, there are no nerfs that can stop the terran machine

don't talk to me about unit nerfs, nothing will make terran weak in this game when they can still float all their buildings over mine and make me forget what tech i have

Yeah, everyone is always like "lets balance the game for lower levels". You know whats imba at low levels? Banelings, DTs, Battlecruisers, and macro. Should we nerf those?
dreaming of a sunny day
pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
October 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#3952
On October 28 2013 08:11 HugzForL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:10 pretensile wrote:
On October 28 2013 07:36 Green_25 wrote:
On October 28 2013 07:28 stuchiu wrote:
Dear against 8 Terrans at Blizzcon. This'll be fun.

Unfortunately those terrans will probably make ghosts, so it won't be quite as insane

How amazing is this crowd btw? Best sc2 crowd I can remember in forever

Katowice had a fantastic crowd too, even more vocal and numerous if I recall correctly. I wouldn't mind if all future events were held in Canada and Poland, an enthusiastic crowd is instrumental in building up hype for a game.

Toronto's vocal audience has been a breath of fresh air after the lukewarm response from the past two major events, at New York and Cologne respectively.


You never heard Iron Squid 2 crowd i think !

Yes, the Iron Squid crowds were definitely top-notch, it slipped my mind cause I don't recall an Iron Squid 3 ever being announced =(
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 23:29:08
October 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#3953
On October 28 2013 08:27 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:25 pylonsalad wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Hryul wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:17 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:15 tshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:14 Facultyadjutant wrote:
I am cheering for soulkey due to naniwa

However, I do not know why I find myself doing the mistake of visiting naniwas twitter time to time

It is always a dissapointing trip

He doesn't have any clinical problems, right? Like he's just 'interesting' as personalities, go, not like medically diagnosed with something, right?

if he were medically diagnosed with an emotional disorder why would he make that public? also, you don't need a medical diagnosis to deserve empathy for having emotional problems

empathy for people acting like assholes. are we already at this point?

no? my post reads "empathy for having emotional problems." why would you change what i wrote to make it mean something completely different?

you can have empathy for the reasons someone is an asshole without excusing them for it. the empathy is what makes it possible to help people improve their attitudes, because putting someone down and making them feel bad isn't going to cause kinder behavior


Being fans of assholes gives them positive reinforcement to continue being assholes. They should be shamed into changing their behavior or simply ignored.

1) how did you get "being a fan" out of "having empathy"?
2) "shaming" people for being assholes does not make them nicer, it makes them more isolated from society, which makes it MORE likely they will continue to be assholse


Being a fan someone because of his personality is stupid anyway. You never hear people cheering for soccer players because they are nice. You cheer for them because of their skill. This "being a fan of personality" thing seems to only be a thing in SC2(at least from my experience).

I tend to judge players by the way how they play, and their personality is just a bonus.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#3954
On October 28 2013 08:26 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:22 Weavel wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.
Terran got owned both in brood war and Heart of the swarm.


Yeah man...boxer, iloveoov, xellos, nada, fantasy, and flash were scrubs.

Yeah especially compared to all of those protoss bonjwas like
...

come on guys, surely there were some right? ... right?
dreaming of a sunny day
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
October 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#3955
On October 28 2013 08:25 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:22 Weavel wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.
Terran got owned both in brood war and Heart of the swarm.


In BW as opposed to Vanilla? Medics, Goliath Range, and the dropship speed buff in 1.08 were all pretty crucial for Terran.

Although pre-1.08 Terran was pretty bad.
I ment the campaign ''history''
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
October 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#3956
On October 28 2013 08:28 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:26 Qaatar wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:22 Weavel wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.
Terran got owned both in brood war and Heart of the swarm.


Yeah man...boxer, iloveoov, xellos, nada, fantasy, and flash were scrubs.

Yeah especially compared to all of those protoss bonjwas like
...

come on guys, surely there were some right? ... right?

perfectman
TL+ Member
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
October 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#3957
Will there be any replays released of these games. I would trade my left nad to get my hands on Soulkeys ZvP techniques ?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
October 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#3958
On October 28 2013 08:29 Weavel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:25 Cheren wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:22 Weavel wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Daogin wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Fearest wrote:
no Terran again. We never get to WIN ANYTHING ;LAKDJF;KALDJF

Maybe you should read up on Terran history.
Terran got owned both in brood war and Heart of the swarm.


In BW as opposed to Vanilla? Medics, Goliath Range, and the dropship speed buff in 1.08 were all pretty crucial for Terran.

Although pre-1.08 Terran was pretty bad.
I ment the campaign ''history''

Don't worry, some of us got it :p
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
October 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#3959
On October 28 2013 08:26 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:25 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:24 KeksX wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:22 Green_25 wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:18 havok55 wrote:
Soulkey is an honorary Swede.

Swedish nickname needed?


Should be Rødgrød or something stupid like that.


Not a Danish one you silly

I bet you Swedes have something similar! Just use that for SK

Soulkey, SK... perhaps Styrbjörn Knutsson
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
October 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#3960
On October 28 2013 08:27 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 08:25 pylonsalad wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:21 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:19 Hryul wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:17 Waise wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:15 tshi wrote:
On October 28 2013 08:14 Facultyadjutant wrote:
I am cheering for soulkey due to naniwa

However, I do not know why I find myself doing the mistake of visiting naniwas twitter time to time

It is always a dissapointing trip

He doesn't have any clinical problems, right? Like he's just 'interesting' as personalities, go, not like medically diagnosed with something, right?

if he were medically diagnosed with an emotional disorder why would he make that public? also, you don't need a medical diagnosis to deserve empathy for having emotional problems

empathy for people acting like assholes. are we already at this point?

no? my post reads "empathy for having emotional problems." why would you change what i wrote to make it mean something completely different?

you can have empathy for the reasons someone is an asshole without excusing them for it. the empathy is what makes it possible to help people improve their attitudes, because putting someone down and making them feel bad isn't going to cause kinder behavior


Being fans of assholes gives them positive reinforcement to continue being assholes. They should be shamed into changing their behavior or simply ignored.

1) how did you get "being a fan" out of "having empathy"?
2) "shaming" people for being assholes does not make them nicer, it makes them more isolated from society, which makes it MORE likely they will continue to be assholse


You should crack open a book sometime, shaming is about the least effective way of encouraging positive behaviour without incurring negative side effects. Really, when was the last time you felt good about yourself after being shamed about something?
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