• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:31
CEST 17:31
KST 00:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)50Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
NaDa’s Body Followup ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7679 users

[IEM] New York Day 2 - Group A/B/C/D - Page 80

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 78 79 80 81 82 161 Next
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1581
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1582
On October 12 2013 05:04 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


And where were they in season2 finals?

Not getting 4-0d by a terran again.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1583
Flash looked so down at the start of game 3... I'm so worried and so sad to see him sigh like that....
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1584
On October 12 2013 05:04 ChoDing wrote:
Flash aint no average terran in sc2...wtf u all smoking?? Gsl code s player bros. At least give him that much.

As long as Flash doesn't win everything, people will keep calling him "nothing special" or even "bad". That's how little sense they make.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1585
On October 12 2013 05:05 Keeemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:03 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:03 felisconcolori wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 Darkhoarse wrote:
Who are these people holding a swedish flag?


I'm guessing Naniwa fans.

Those exist?

Unfortunately yes

One of my best friends is a hardcore naniwa fan
Though hes weird himself
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1586
On October 12 2013 05:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:01 sotaporo wrote:
late game tvp makes me cringe everytime...


What about State's multitasking in the mid-game to put him ahead? State didn't win because of PvT.

Happy birthday though.


Let's be honest here, State played ok. But the multitasking achieved NOTHING until Flash gifted him 24 scv's. State then made huge glaring mistakes that almost lost him the game, but not quite enough to lose the advantage.

Watch the game and bash neither side, thanks.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1587
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.

It hard to evaluate the skill of Soulkey and Symbol, since Soulkey somehow turned into ZvP sniper, having average ZvT and wtfZvZ, while Symbol fell to Code B. Hyvaa, DRG and soO are hard to compare to JD too though.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1588
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups

easily? Wow. Strong words.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:06:14
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1589
On October 12 2013 05:03 Everlong wrote:
SC2 is not very skill dependent, any decent ladder grinding Protoss can beat Flash just like that. It is just abusing race mechanics to the point it is so blatantly obvious..

User was temp banned for this post.


Good try, bud. But a little obvious. Keep working at that for next time.
KT best KT ~ 2014
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
October 11 2013 20:05 GMT
#1590
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1591
Thanks for the help with my food, everyone, I appreciate it. I'm really pumped to eat this muffin 2nd!
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-11 20:07:00
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1592
On October 12 2013 05:02 Keeemy wrote:
I don't think anyone wants Flash to retire...

People are just afraid that a champion like Flash doesn't want to play a game if he doesn't win much, because let's be honest, Flash hasn't been playing that well lately.


As far as I'm concerned I'm afraid he isn't displaying anything special because he doesn't really want to play it.

After all, that's what seems to be the case with all those ex-BW pros who are retiring lately.
Administrator
Nerevar
Profile Joined January 2013
547 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1593
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

I wish Proleague would start up again so that I can see Flash back in form on a regular basis
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1594
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1595
Flash is good I think its just people remeber him in bw and expect utter domination but flash is a solid code S terran but no championship caliber right now unless he picks up his play
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1596
On October 12 2013 04:41 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 04:40 75 wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:38 NarutO wrote:
I don't see any reason to bash Flash here. He barely made mistakes. Against a Templar opening there isn't really a lot you can do, especially considering its BelShir which is very straight forward. Drops can only come from one side and attacks at the third base can be deflected quiet good as well.

Maybe people who have no clue about Terran or Protoss or the match up in particular should stop bashing players. State was ahead because the general opening allowed him to be save, get his third base up regardless and Flash couldn't really do shit. Usually if you cannot put down aggression against Protoss and deal no damage whatsoever, it results in Protoss being ahead, if you wasn't greedy to begin with.

Thats why he 'struggled' yet when you saw the fight, even though State fucked up, Flash still won convincingly, when he should not have won like that.

flash didnt play good. did he?

What did he do wrong according to you?


Micro wise
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1597
On October 12 2013 05:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:
On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:
On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote:
Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk


Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran


Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.


better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily
soo and soulkey depends on the matchups

easily? Wow. Strong words.


true, easily would be disrespectful, but jaedong is better than those three
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#1598
On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote:
No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.

Indeed. I think Flash may just not be super great at these weekend international tournaments. He really isn't doing horribly in WCS as well.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
October 11 2013 20:07 GMT
#1599
flash pulling a demuslism
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 11 2013 20:07 GMT
#1600
On October 12 2013 05:06 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:02 Keeemy wrote:
I don't think anyone wants Flash to retire...

People are just afraid that a champion like Flash doesn't want to play a game if he doesn't win much, because let's be honest, Flash hasn't been playing that well lately.


As far as I'm concerned I'm not afraid he doesn't want to play it if he doesn't win, I'm afraid he isn't displaying anything special because he doesn't really want to play it.

After all, that's what seems to be the case with all those ex-BW pros who are retiring lately.


Yeah... I'm afraid of it too... That gsl game 3 where it was nothing like Flash... Even in SC2.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Prev 1 78 79 80 81 82 161 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
13:00
Epic.LAN 48 Playoff Stage
epiclan59
Liquipedia
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Summer Cup 2026 - Group A
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko645
BRAT_OK 114
RushiSC 38
CosmosSc2 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6880
Hyuk 2275
Rain 2254
Britney 1457
Shuttle 1006
Jaedong 740
Mini 474
Horang2 380
Stork 313
BeSt 298
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 223
Sharp 75
Pusan 68
Free 48
Killer 46
JulyZerg 44
Aegong 40
Mong 39
soO 34
Shine 32
NaDa 31
Barracks 30
Movie 28
ToSsGirL 24
Rock 21
HiyA 16
yabsab 16
Hm[arnc] 16
IntoTheRainbow 11
Purpose 9
Terrorterran 7
Noble 4
Dota 2
Gorgc8308
League of Legends
Doublelift3146
KnowMe34
Counter-Strike
allub575
kRYSTAL_120
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor240
Trikslyr52
MindelVK8
Other Games
singsing2046
B2W.Neo746
Liquid`RaSZi458
DeMusliM241
Hui .164
XaKoH 118
ToD94
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2227
BasetradeTV207
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2274
• TFBlade510
Upcoming Events
IPSL
29m
Dragon vs Hawk
WardiTV Invitational
29m
RSL Revival
17h 29m
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 29m
OSC
21h 29m
IPSL
1d
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
1d 19h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.