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On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote: Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM.
better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily soo and soulkey depends on the matchups
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On October 12 2013 05:04 scsnow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote: Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM. And where were they in season2 finals? Not getting 4-0d by a terran again.
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Flash looked so down at the start of game 3... I'm so worried and so sad to see him sigh like that....
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On October 12 2013 05:04 ChoDing wrote: Flash aint no average terran in sc2...wtf u all smoking?? Gsl code s player bros. At least give him that much. As long as Flash doesn't win everything, people will keep calling him "nothing special" or even "bad". That's how little sense they make.
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On October 12 2013 05:05 Keeemy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:03 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 12 2013 05:03 felisconcolori wrote:On October 12 2013 05:02 Darkhoarse wrote: Who are these people holding a swedish flag? I'm guessing Naniwa fans. Those exist? Unfortunately yes One of my best friends is a hardcore naniwa fan Though hes weird himself
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On October 12 2013 05:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:01 sotaporo wrote: late game tvp makes me cringe everytime... What about State's multitasking in the mid-game to put him ahead? State didn't win because of PvT. Happy birthday though.
Let's be honest here, State played ok. But the multitasking achieved NOTHING until Flash gifted him 24 scv's. State then made huge glaring mistakes that almost lost him the game, but not quite enough to lose the advantage.
Watch the game and bash neither side, thanks.
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On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote: Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM. It hard to evaluate the skill of Soulkey and Symbol, since Soulkey somehow turned into ZvP sniper, having average ZvT and wtfZvZ, while Symbol fell to Code B. Hyvaa, DRG and soO are hard to compare to JD too though.
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On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote: Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM. better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily soo and soulkey depends on the matchups easily? Wow. Strong words.
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On October 12 2013 05:03 Everlong wrote: SC2 is not very skill dependent, any decent ladder grinding Protoss can beat Flash just like that. It is just abusing race mechanics to the point it is so blatantly obvious..
User was temp banned for this post.
Good try, bud. But a little obvious. Keep working at that for next time.
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No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory.
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Thanks for the help with my food, everyone, I appreciate it. I'm really pumped to eat this muffin 2nd!
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On October 12 2013 05:02 Keeemy wrote: I don't think anyone wants Flash to retire...
People are just afraid that a champion like Flash doesn't want to play a game if he doesn't win much, because let's be honest, Flash hasn't been playing that well lately.
As far as I'm concerned I'm afraid he isn't displaying anything special because he doesn't really want to play it.
After all, that's what seems to be the case with all those ex-BW pros who are retiring lately.
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On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote: No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory. I wish Proleague would start up again so that I can see Flash back in form on a regular basis
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On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote: No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory. He actually has a lower WR than Innovation at proleague. He was played by Kt almost every game though.
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Flash is good I think its just people remeber him in bw and expect utter domination but flash is a solid code S terran but no championship caliber right now unless he picks up his play
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On October 12 2013 04:41 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:40 75 wrote:On October 12 2013 04:38 NarutO wrote: I don't see any reason to bash Flash here. He barely made mistakes. Against a Templar opening there isn't really a lot you can do, especially considering its BelShir which is very straight forward. Drops can only come from one side and attacks at the third base can be deflected quiet good as well.
Maybe people who have no clue about Terran or Protoss or the match up in particular should stop bashing players. State was ahead because the general opening allowed him to be save, get his third base up regardless and Flash couldn't really do shit. Usually if you cannot put down aggression against Protoss and deal no damage whatsoever, it results in Protoss being ahead, if you wasn't greedy to begin with.
Thats why he 'struggled' yet when you saw the fight, even though State fucked up, Flash still won convincingly, when he should not have won like that. flash didnt play good. did he? What did he do wrong according to you?
Micro wise
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On October 12 2013 05:05 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:05 sharkie wrote:On October 12 2013 05:04 SoFrOsTy wrote:On October 12 2013 05:02 sharkie wrote:On October 12 2013 04:59 Fat_Elephant wrote: Hmmmm, I wasnt interested in StarCraft when Flash was dominating Broodwar. Im wondering how much of his skill was placed on the much higher demands of mechanics as opposed to overall game sense. Maybe players like Jaedong and Flash simply succeeded because there wasnt as much leniency in BW then today. idk Jaedong is top3 zerg in sc2, dont compare him to the average terran Top 3? You think he is better than soO, Soulkey, Hyvaa, Dongraegu, and Symbol? I don't think so. He is definitely below them. I might even put him below Hyun ATM. better than hyvaa, drg and symbol easily soo and soulkey depends on the matchups easily? Wow. Strong words.
true, easily would be disrespectful, but jaedong is better than those three
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On October 12 2013 05:05 herMan wrote: No one seems to remember flash's absolute tear at proleague. This community sure has a short memory. Indeed. I think Flash may just not be super great at these weekend international tournaments. He really isn't doing horribly in WCS as well.
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flash pulling a demuslism
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On October 12 2013 05:06 PoP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:02 Keeemy wrote: I don't think anyone wants Flash to retire...
People are just afraid that a champion like Flash doesn't want to play a game if he doesn't win much, because let's be honest, Flash hasn't been playing that well lately. As far as I'm concerned I'm not afraid he doesn't want to play it if he doesn't win, I'm afraid he isn't displaying anything special because he doesn't really want to play it. After all, that's what seems to be the case with all those ex-BW pros who are retiring lately.
Yeah... I'm afraid of it too... That gsl game 3 where it was nothing like Flash... Even in SC2.
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