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54%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (6)
23%
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Poll: Recommend Axiom-Acer vs FXO game 2?
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★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (15)
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Gogo Startale, your roster is big enough to get this... Though let me think again, it is StarTale, right? Okay, AA wins, StarTale 2nd. I am talking about whole season :D
So before I knew the openers I thought it'd go 4-1 or 4-2 depending on how many lesser players ax/acer felt like sending out, but apparently they wanna kick things of with the all kill. Sadly I can't see anyone on fxo beating bogus.
Also small mistake in OP, for grand finals (in the format part) it says 3rd match is allkill, fairly sure that should say 2nd match.
Haha! The first player FXO must beat is Innovation ^^ Bringing out the big guns doesn't start to describe it. I hope Innovation has had to settle in, though.
On September 03 2013 03:01 DJHelium wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Gumiho took out Innovation, and I can see either of the other of the big three (Leenock and Hurricane) do it as well.
I think, hope and would be glad if this goes to game 7, with a Gumiho vs Scarlett ace match!
but maybe Innovation wants this chance to try out Gumiho's TvT to prepare for the possibe match in Group F. I wonder if FXO would try sC first.
On September 03 2013 03:01 DJHelium wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Gumiho took out Innovation, and I can see either of the other of the big three (Leenock and Hurricane) do it as well.
I think, hope and would be glad if this goes to game 7, with a Gumiho vs Scarlett ace match!
but maybe Innovation wants this chance to try out Gumiho's TvT to prepare for the possibe match in Group F. I wonder if FXO would try sC first.
I forgot about sC! That means FXO have more than 4 (!) players that could be considered their core players (Gumiho, Leenock, Hurricane, sC, Seed and maybe Lucky). Might be the first time ever?
On September 03 2013 04:51 FlamingPie wrote: Acer, a team that once had only zergs has become Axiom-Acer, the team with no zergs (until Scarlett returns).
no need for zergs when you have Innovation and Ryung, I guess Innovation could offrace zerg when need be
( Scarletts TvZ will be godlike once her wrists are ok)
It would be so sick if Acer could play by themselves with a Bogus/MMA/nerchio/Scarlett/Bly Team but I think Axiom's guys will really help them out aswell! Rooting for them
On September 03 2013 11:41 ahmedaak88 wrote: i need a leenock vs innovation this need to happen plzzzzz
Since his reverse sweep to Soulkey, Innovation has gone 12-3 in TvZ, with one of those a hilarious failed cheese vs cheese against Shine on Fighting Spirit. Leenock on the other hand has not looked good vT. I don't think it would be close if it happened
On September 03 2013 15:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I know it won't happen, but I'm really hoping for a Leenock all-kill :p
It's been so long since my favorite Zergs owned it up. These days it feels like I'm cheering for toss and terran players more ><
I also think it would be awesome to see Leenock tear it up again. Also, I'd like to see Zergs in general not get destroyed this season. There were only 3 in season 1 with a winning record: Symbol (7-6), Nestea (4-0), and Sniper (2-1).
I'm not hoping for an all-kill of any kind, however. 12 of the 32 overall matches were all-kills last season! It's neat to see someone go on a mega hotstreak occasionally, but I thought it happened WAY too often in season 1. (poor NSH)
On September 03 2013 15:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I know it won't happen, but I'm really hoping for a Leenock all-kill :p
It's been so long since my favorite Zergs owned it up. These days it feels like I'm cheering for toss and terran players more ><
I also think it would be awesome to see Leenock tear it up again. Also, I'd like to see Zergs in general not get destroyed this season. There were only 3 in season 1 with a winning record: Symbol (7-6), Nestea (4-0), and Sniper (2-1).
I'm not hoping for an all-kill of any kind, however. 12 of the 32 overall matches were all-kills last season! It's neat to see someone go on a mega hotstreak occasionally, but I thought it happened WAY too often in season 1. (poor NSH)
FXO have by far the deeper squad. Is Scarlett even in Korea anymore? I thought was taking a break because of the wrist issues? If no, then this team will be beaten by snipers of FXO (even though i doubt they have had much time to get ready)
Also this season of GSTL doesn't look so good, it's so sad how KESPA and ESFI can't just join together and try and attempt to fix the SC2 scene together, instead of staying apart and producing 2 of everything.
On September 03 2013 16:52 Pandemona wrote: FXO have by far the deeper squad. Is Scarlett even in Korea anymore? I thought was taking a break because of the wrist issues? If no, then this team will be beaten by snipers of FXO (even though i doubt they have had much time to get ready)
Also this season of GSTL doesn't look so good, it's so sad how KESPA and ESFI can't just join together and try and attempt to fix the SC2 scene together, instead of staying apart and producing 2 of everything.
Scarlett on break til October
This doesn't mean we won't get Proleague+GSTL
More than likely PL will start after GSTL is over, so there is still a possibility
On September 03 2013 18:08 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It's so weird that just a season ago Bogus was on the STX bench in prologue...now he's hanging in the GSTL team room with AA ..wow
On September 03 2013 18:08 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It's so weird that just a season ago Bogus was on the STX bench in prologue...now he's hanging in the GSTL team room with AA ..wow
they finally removed the " code a/s thing >_> " felt like blasphemy to see it say Code B for Mvp's profile right after he won wcs eu and got top 4 at season finals.
Innovation clearly confused by the way this game is going. Both people going macro oriented openings, nothing like ProLeague. Innovation head going to explode!
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54%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (6)
23%
★★★ - Good game (3)
12%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
8%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
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Well that was underwhelming by Hurricane D: Nothing worked for him and he did a weird attack. Would have had a better chance getting a third/storm and hoping Innovation would overextend into stormz
On September 03 2013 18:34 Jacmert wrote: I'm starting to think that not putting INoVation on my Fantasy GSTL team in this all-kill round was a horrible, horrible idea...
On September 03 2013 18:34 Big-t wrote: I want Inno to lead to 3-0, then Leenock comes in, makes the 3-3 and then an epic 2h game between MMA and Leenock! This would be too good.^^
On September 03 2013 18:34 Jacmert wrote: I'm starting to think that not putting INoVation on my Fantasy GSTL team in this all-kill round was a horrible, horrible idea...
I really like sC so Im torn between wanting him to do well again and watching Inno allkill then bust a sick celebration out of nowhere :D But my fantasy team is riding on Inno so go Inno!
On September 03 2013 18:43 Lorning wrote: Almost a 15 minute break. Getting longer and longer each season
There was probably a Korean talkshow type thing about this being the first day of the GSTL season that Khaldor and Wolf didn't want to talk for 10 minutes about nothing during it.
On September 03 2013 18:43 Lorning wrote: Almost a 15 minute break. Getting longer and longer each season
There was probably a Korean talkshow type thing about this being the first day of the GSTL season that Khaldor and Wolf didn't want to talk for 10 minutes about nothing during it.
They should just put it on our stream, even in Korean it would be better than a splash screen.
On September 03 2013 18:43 Lorning wrote: Almost a 15 minute break. Getting longer and longer each season
There was probably a Korean talkshow type thing about this being the first day of the GSTL season that Khaldor and Wolf didn't want to talk for 10 minutes about nothing during it.
On September 03 2013 19:08 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: lol sC looks lost. Damn it somebody kill this guy, I want to see Leenock and it isn't safe while Bogus is in town.
Gotta wait for sc's death animation to finish, may take some time given how hard it is to attack into sieged tanks.
It's painful to watch sc playing. It almost seems he is f2 a all the time. And his army just dancing around there for like 10 min for nothing. I miss the old sc
I feel like at this stage of the game it doesn't matter unless you take out like 10+ siege tanks, that hellion run around was kind of weird. But I like the hellion play overall, pretty interesting.
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★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (1)
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On September 03 2013 19:13 WigglingSquid wrote: Just tuned in. How's Innovation doing? Looking for an all-kill?
ye looked quite vulnerable in the tvt against sc but was able to kill him with blue flame hellions and cloaccked banshee harass until sc had only something like 20 scvs left against 50 something.
On September 03 2013 19:13 vthree wrote: sC should have never lost the air control...
he should have never let the third get up (could have grilled it like a thousand times) he should have never lost air control he should have never let Innovation get that siege position on his natural he should have never lost 30workers to a banshee and 4hellions ...
Man I really missed a chance by not picking AXA for my FGSTL team, forgot that GSTL is all kill all the time so Innovation will probably destroy this league for a while It seemed like the cop out pick though.
On September 03 2013 19:13 WigglingSquid wrote: Just tuned in. How's Innovation doing? Looking for an all-kill?
ye looked quite vulnerable in the tvt against sc but was able to kill him with blue flame hellions and cloaccked banshee harass until sc had only something like 20 scvs left against 50 something.
Which was pretty shocking as sC had been up like 20 SCVs for most of the game.
On September 03 2013 19:13 WigglingSquid wrote: Just tuned in. How's Innovation doing? Looking for an all-kill?
ye looked quite vulnerable in the tvt against sc but was able to kill him with blue flame hellions and cloaccked banshee harass until sc had only something like 20 scvs left against 50 something.
Which was pretty shocking as sC had been up like 20 SCVs for most of the game.
Thing is, he wasn't using them as his third was blocked by Bogus' push, then his mineral line at the natural was contained.
Fuck it if Leenock doesn't play at all. I don't care if he loses I just want to see him play. He has played like once a month this year apart from DH Stockholm -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
On September 03 2013 19:21 imallinson wrote: I think my rather rushed choice to have an entirely Axiom-Acer fantasy team wasn't so terrible, just a shame I couldn't fit INnoVation in there.
AXA ftw. I'm both rooting for them this eason, expecting them to do extremely well, and I made an AXA heavy FGSTL team.
On September 03 2013 19:20 liberate71 wrote: It'd be pretty funny if Innovation just goes like 14-0 or something for the season.
I feel like he only had the advantage right now because his signing was something of a surprise (though I dunno if behind the scenes everyone knew it was coming). I figure soon teams will be sniping him to hell and he'll start actually losing some games. But I wouldn't be surprised if he all kills today.
On September 03 2013 19:20 liberate71 wrote: It'd be pretty funny if Innovation just goes like 14-0 or something for the season.
Going to be awkward when AA hits Soul <_<
Oh wow that'll be awkward, I'll be rooting for Soul
Dunno, I feel bad but somehow I went from being a huge Innovation fan to disliking him for signing with Acer. Obviously money is important but I feel bad for his former teammates.
Also I guess I kinda want to see him lose a TvP so I can justify balance whines elsewhere damn I can't win TvP.
On September 03 2013 19:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 03 2013 19:20 liberate71 wrote: It'd be pretty funny if Innovation just goes like 14-0 or something for the season.
Going to be awkward when AA hits Soul <_<
Oh wow that'll be awkward, I'll be rooting for Soul
Dunno, I feel bad but somehow I went from being a huge Innovation fan to disliking him for signing with Acer. Obviously money is important but I feel bad for his former teammates.
Also I guess I kinda want to see him lose a TvP so I can justify balance whines elsewhere damn I can't win TvP.
is hyvaa still in Soul? if he cheesed out innovation how glorious would that be.
On September 03 2013 19:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 03 2013 19:20 liberate71 wrote: It'd be pretty funny if Innovation just goes like 14-0 or something for the season.
Going to be awkward when AA hits Soul <_<
Oh wow that'll be awkward, I'll be rooting for Soul
Dunno, I feel bad but somehow I went from being a huge Innovation fan to disliking him for signing with Acer. Obviously money is important but I feel bad for his former teammates.
Also I guess I kinda want to see him lose a TvP so I can justify balance whines elsewhere damn I can't win TvP.
is hyvaa still in Soul? if he cheesed out innovation how glorious would that be.
On September 03 2013 19:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 03 2013 19:20 liberate71 wrote: It'd be pretty funny if Innovation just goes like 14-0 or something for the season.
Going to be awkward when AA hits Soul <_<
Oh wow that'll be awkward, I'll be rooting for Soul
Dunno, I feel bad but somehow I went from being a huge Innovation fan to disliking him for signing with Acer. Obviously money is important but I feel bad for his former teammates.
Also I guess I kinda want to see him lose a TvP so I can justify balance whines elsewhere damn I can't win TvP.
is hyvaa still in Soul? if he cheesed out innovation how glorious would that be.
Yeah he is!
And as the captain. Hyvaa the boss will do some magic in this GSTL.
On September 03 2013 19:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 03 2013 19:20 liberate71 wrote: It'd be pretty funny if Innovation just goes like 14-0 or something for the season.
Going to be awkward when AA hits Soul <_<
Oh wow that'll be awkward, I'll be rooting for Soul
Dunno, I feel bad but somehow I went from being a huge Innovation fan to disliking him for signing with Acer. Obviously money is important but I feel bad for his former teammates.
Also I guess I kinda want to see him lose a TvP so I can justify balance whines elsewhere damn I can't win TvP.
is hyvaa still in Soul? if he cheesed out innovation how glorious would that be.
Yeah he is!
And as the captain. Hyvaa the boss will do some magic in this GSTL.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (14)
58%
★★★ - Good game (8)
33%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
8%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
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This so nasty by Innovation. I think his decision to join Acer maybe is his best decision in his life... Has been so much time since I actually enjoyed watching a player. This is amazing.
On September 03 2013 19:31 Dark.Carnival wrote: oh.. so that's how you win tvp on this map, you pull scvs ;_; well that isn't very helpful
need to get an advantage first, like a wild twilight council on the map with a dt shrine that did nothing. Pretty well played by Innovation getting the map control early and using it.
Ax Acer is so op now. This is only what Innovation can do...and behind him there's also Ryung, MMA and once Scarlett is back from her break.........they will just ruin GSTL for everyone else lol.
Well time to get some sammiches in preparation of the 30min Leenock death animation Didn't expect Innovation to be back from his slump so soon but it's a happy surprise! :D
I'm going to assume Leenock has some type of cheese planned. Innovation is playing well tonight so I highly doubt Leenock would come close to taking him in a normal macro game D:
On September 03 2013 19:39 Big-t wrote: Leenock is good, but if inno plays 4M this will be a short day...
Well thanks to blizzards great game design he doesn't have much of a choice. Though maybe someone on that bench really wants to play today so he may go mech.
Greater zergs have stood before Innovation and fallen, I really don't see how Leenock can pull trough in a straight up game, maybe a bust or tricky play into a standard game could give him enough of an edge, or maybe Leenock somehow turns on beast mode and displays some of his legendary muta micro and harass.
On September 03 2013 19:41 Destructicon wrote: Greater zergs have stood before Innovation and fallen, I really don't see how Leenock can pull trough in a straight up game, maybe a bust or tricky play into a standard game could give him enough of an edge, or maybe Leenock somehow turns on beast mode and displays some of his legendary muta micro and harass.
heheheheh muta harass. Yeah good times when it was still possible to do it at all ))))))
Innovation: "Guys, I need more information on who they could send next." MMA: "So they still have Gumiho, be aware of his drops!" Alica: "Don't underestimate Tassadar, he can do very tricky plays!" Ryung: "If you play against TheBest, watch out for banshees!" Crank: "I met Showtime on the ladder, he is quite good actually!"
Yes yes we all know innovations is amazing but stop talking like Leenock has zero chance. Unless you started watching sc2 a few months ago and dont know Leenock, then I understand it a little bit atleast. If Leenock is feeling good today, is 100% focused id give him 30% chance.
On September 03 2013 19:41 Destructicon wrote: Greater zergs have stood before Innovation and fallen, I really don't see how Leenock can pull trough in a straight up game, maybe a bust or tricky play into a standard game could give him enough of an edge, or maybe Leenock somehow turns on beast mode and displays some of his legendary muta micro and harass.
heheheheh muta harass. Yeah good times when it was still possible to do it at all ))))))
It really depends on tempo of the map, yeah if Innovation starts doing his parade push its extremely hard to harass, however if you can get an opening the muta harass is still quite potent, as demonstrated by Soulkey.
On September 03 2013 19:44 Big J wrote: Innovation: "Guys, I need more information on who they could send next." MMA: "So they still have Gumiho, be aware of his drops!" Alica: "Don't underestimate Tassadar, he can do very tricky plays!" Ryung: "If you play against TheBest, watch out for banshees!" Crank: "I met Showtime on the ladder, he is quite good actually!"
On September 03 2013 19:44 Big J wrote: Innovation: "Guys, I need more information on who they could send next." MMA: "So they still have Gumiho, be aware of his drops!" Alica: "Don't underestimate Tassadar, he can do very tricky plays!" Ryung: "If you play against TheBest, watch out for banshees!" Crank: "I met Showtime on the ladder, he is quite good actually!"
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (2)
5%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
41 total votes
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
20%
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5%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
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On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
On September 03 2013 20:02 DrPandaPhD wrote: Well Leenock is an aggressive zerg by heart. But Blizzard didn't want zerg to harass in HotS and only turtle so here we are.
It's ok, I didn't want to watch a fun playstyle anyway ))))))))))))))))
mutalisks don't look good flying over enemy territory dude, and ling runbys are for zvp
On September 03 2013 20:01 Laryleprakon wrote: At least some things stay the same in GSTL, another all kill.
Gratz Innovation/Axiom-Acer. Hopefully it's not this easy all season.
I have a feeling it might be. They finished third last season without INnoVation and the two teams that finished ahead of them, MVP and IM, aren't in it this season.
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
SK probably comes the closest (ex. stomping Alive, MKP...), but not against the same calibre of opponents.
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
the ones going roaches with banes, so the mutas can go harass or snipe drops. Might not work vs Innovation as easily, since he is one of the few terrans that targetfires with mines.
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
Scarlett
Good zerg for sure so is Soulkey, but nothing compared to the likes of Innovation/Maru/Polt/Taeja etc etc. In TvZ all good zergs are gone yet all good terrans are multiplying, facinating.
I couldn't help but laugh at the results! I had high expectations that this would happen, but the fact that it actually did is great. Innovation definitely did good on his first showing.
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
Scarlett
Good zerg for sure so is Soulkey, but nothing compared to the likes of Innovation/Maru/Polt/Taeja etc etc. In TvZ all good zergs are gone yet all good terrans are multiplying, facinating.
Basically people copy winning trends, so everyone copied Innovation, Zerg is in weird situation, because there is no fomulae...
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
the ones going roaches with banes, so the mutas can go harass or snipe drops. Might not work vs Innovation as easily, since he is one of the few terrans that targetfires with mines.
lol... who does that? Nobody. People either go muta/ling/bane or roach/ling/bane.
On September 03 2013 20:45 GumBa wrote: Hmm Im kinda wondering who is actually on Innovations level here in GSTL. IMO only Bomber and perhaps the Soul Tosses have a chance.
Every Terran can beat him. Innovations TvT is very bad as seen again today.
On September 03 2013 20:45 GumBa wrote: Hmm Im kinda wondering who is actually on Innovations level here in GSTL. IMO only Bomber and perhaps the Soul Tosses have a chance.
Every Terran can beat him. Innovations TvT is very bad as seen again today.
hmm I dont know I think him and Bomber are just in general the strongest players this gstl
On September 03 2013 20:45 GumBa wrote: Hmm Im kinda wondering who is actually on Innovations level here in GSTL. IMO only Bomber and perhaps the Soul Tosses have a chance.
Every Terran can beat him. Innovations TvT is very bad as seen again today.
he's quite above-average in TvT just clearly not the best, and yeah now that IM and MVP are gone I don't see many that I'd reasonably expect to beat Bogus outside of Supernova, Bomber, Soul Tosses, Avenge, and Gumiho (who didn't play today..).
On September 03 2013 20:45 GumBa wrote: Hmm Im kinda wondering who is actually on Innovations level here in GSTL. IMO only Bomber and perhaps the Soul Tosses have a chance.
Honestly it's gonno be awkward as fuck when he has to play against his old team SouL. Like he's gonno face hyvaa, Trap, Dear etc. not to mention his old coach who he's been with for many many years.
On September 03 2013 20:45 GumBa wrote: Hmm Im kinda wondering who is actually on Innovations level here in GSTL. IMO only Bomber and perhaps the Soul Tosses have a chance.
Every Terran can beat him. Innovations TvT is very bad as seen again today.
It's not comparable to his non-mirrors but his TvT isn't as catastrophically poor as is made out
Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
Amateurs? Leenock et al?
Good to see your terrible posting hasn't changed during my brief absence from TL
Apart from a select few players (Flash, Rain, SK, and a few more) I'd say the average skill level of GSTL players is at least on par with the non-superstar ProLeague players. With IM/MVP still in the GSTL I'd even it might be more difficult than proleague. So the people he is now beating up are around the same level of the people he used to beat up in PL.
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
Amateurs? It's not like Bogus hasn't all-killed in SPL before xD
Everyone sent out today from FXO isn't exactly top-tier atm, but they've all showed promise or had their moments in the past.
You'd think after Maru and Bomber won the OSL and Regionals this past season you'd learn to respect some of the old-guard.
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
Amateurs? Leenock et al?
Good to see your terrible posting hasn't changed during my brief absence from TL
I think Leenock is a terrible example for HOTS as a good player :p
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
Amateurs? Leenock et al?
Good to see your terrible posting hasn't changed during my brief absence from TL
I think Leenock is a terrible example for HOTS as a good player :p
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
Amateurs? Leenock et al?
Good to see your terrible posting hasn't changed during my brief absence from TL
I think Leenock is a terrible example for HOTS as a good player :p
So are most of zergs in ZvT in HotS :D. I suggest to rate zergs by strength of their ZvP now :D JD for da 1st place!
"Apart from a select few players (Flash, Rain, SK, and a few more) I'd say the average skill level of GSTL players is at least on par with the non-superstar ProLeague players. With IM/MVP still in the GSTL I'd even it might be more difficult than proleague. So the people he is now beating up are around the same level of the people he used to beat up in PL."
To the guy that said that, Im and MvP arent in GSTL this season, IM switched to KeSPA and is playing in Proleague this season and MvP disbanded
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
No, he went from losing to foreigners to actually winning
wow GSTL only has 5 teams now. I mean I know MVP is potentially undergoing some management changes but IM can still play in GSTL after leaving ESF..... dang
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
Scarlett
Good zerg for sure so is Soulkey, but nothing compared to the likes of Innovation/Maru/Polt/Taeja etc etc. In TvZ all good zergs are gone yet all good terrans are multiplying, facinating.
What's fascinating is how it mimics the end of WoL with the role reversed.
So, let's do this the same way it's been done at the end of WoL: "Zergs, adapt".
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
Scarlett
Good zerg for sure so is Soulkey, but nothing compared to the likes of Innovation/Maru/Polt/Taeja etc etc. In TvZ all good zergs are gone yet all good terrans are multiplying, facinating.
What's fascinating is how it mimics the end of WoL with the role reversed.
So, let's do this the same way it's been done at the end of WoL: "Zergs, adapt".
On September 03 2013 20:02 Dark.Carnival wrote: inb4 balance complaints. that was just a pure difference in skill that game. the moment leenock decided not to do a bust he was doomed.
wonder how many people have innovation on their fpl teams ;o
Very true, but please name me those insane Zergs that can do this to terrans ?
Scarlett
Good zerg for sure so is Soulkey, but nothing compared to the likes of Innovation/Maru/Polt/Taeja etc etc. In TvZ all good zergs are gone yet all good terrans are multiplying, facinating.
What's fascinating is how it mimics the end of WoL with the role reversed.
So, let's do this the same way it's been done at the end of WoL: "Zergs, adapt".
There are some fundamental differences. You can't adapt if your units are stuck under fungal. You can, however, beat mines through pure micro.
I too think that Zerg is a little UP but you are blowing this waaay out of proportion.
On September 03 2013 21:39 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: "Apart from a select few players (Flash, Rain, SK, and a few more) I'd say the average skill level of GSTL players is at least on par with the non-superstar ProLeague players. With IM/MVP still in the GSTL I'd even it might be more difficult than proleague. So the people he is now beating up are around the same level of the people he used to beat up in PL."
To the guy that said that, Im and MvP arent in GSTL this season, IM switched to KeSPA and is playing in Proleague this season and MvP disbanded
I'm not sure why people think skill-level is directly correlative with the players he face in one team league. You don't really advance your skill playing in a tournament other than dealing with nerve issues and such. And WCS is still what it is. He'll still have pretty good teammates, he'll likely have a lot of other practice partners, former teammates, friends and such. We know this often happens. I can understand people's concerns but comparing the players in PL and GSTL is a incredible weak argument.
On September 04 2013 00:32 IntoTheheart wrote: One-sided 4-0 or "close and tight but looks more brutal than it was," sort of 4-0?
The only real threat was sC, he was pretty far ahead in the early game, but threw it all away to Innovation when he couldnt hold his third and got sieged from behind the natural on Polar Night. The rest was pretty straightforward
On September 04 2013 00:32 IntoTheheart wrote: One-sided 4-0 or "close and tight but looks more brutal than it was," sort of 4-0?
The only real threat was sC, he was pretty far ahead in the early game, but threw it all away to Innovation when he couldnt hold his third and got sieged from behind the natural on Polar Night. The rest was pretty straightforward
I still can't believe sC let Inno get back there behind the natural
On September 04 2013 00:51 Zenbrez wrote: Got Leenock on my anti, Innov as my captain. Looking good.
Did Innov show any emotion as he was going through everybody? Even crack a smile when he got the allkill?
How does that even remotely matter? Do they have to act like a 10 years old girl and show you all their emotions? It's everyones personal choice how much he shows to thousands of strangers watching on stream and it is no indicator of whether it he is happy or not anyways.
Acer interviewed Innovation on his first all kill as an Acer player.
The other potential choice for FXO's final player was Gumiho. Would you have felt less confident facing him than Leenock? I didn't really care who would come as their final player, but when I saw Leenock I was pretty sure I would all-kill them because he is a Zerg.
On September 04 2013 05:18 BigFan wrote: Kasaraki, you should've added polls for games 5-7 so that it's obvious that they aren't only 4 games lol.
Huh, I was going to do this initially but then mid-broadcast I came to the brainfarty conclusion that "well, anyone looking at 5-7 probably doesn't mind being spoilered". I'm not sure what exactly triggered me into thinking this, maybe I figured that the reason why the spoilers are put into two categories (1-4 and 5-7) is due to the fact that 5-7 is the one you click if you want final spoilers for GSTL type matches, and also that if people look for the ratings they aren't concerned with spoilers (They would look to see if they need to watch any games at all - who'd look at rating if they are planning to watch the matches and want to avoid spoilers? Well... Maybe the people who want to see if the ratings are good, and if they are bad, just read the result instead of watching the VODs, but would such people also click the 5-7 ratings? Those were my thoughts). These points obviously make no sense now to most people haha, and in retrospect I see the mistake. D: It's too late now, but yeah, basically had a brainfart and haven't done LR OPs for many months so I was out of the loop. Will make sure not to make the same mistake next time, and I do apologise profusely.
The other potential choice for FXO's final player was Gumiho. Would you have felt less confident facing him than Leenock? I didn't really care who would come as their final player, but when I saw Leenock I was pretty sure I would all-kill them because he is a Zerg.
On September 04 2013 05:18 BigFan wrote: Kasaraki, you should've added polls for games 5-7 so that it's obvious that they aren't only 4 games lol.
Huh, I was going to do this initially but then mid-broadcast I came to the brainfarty conclusion that "well, anyone looking at 5-7 probably doesn't mind being spoilered". I'm not sure what exactly triggered me into thinking this, maybe I figured that the reason why the spoilers are put into two categories (1-4 and 5-7) is due to the fact that 5-7 is the one you click if you want final spoilers for GSTL type matches, and also that if people look for the ratings they aren't concerned with spoilers (They would look to see if they need to watch any games at all - who'd look at rating if they are planning to watch the matches and want to avoid spoilers? Well... Maybe the people who want to see if the ratings are good, and if they are bad, just read the result instead of watching the VODs, but would such people also click the 5-7 ratings? Those were my thoughts). These points obviously make no sense now to most people haha, and in retrospect I see the mistake. D: It's too late now, but yeah, basically had a brainfart and haven't done LR OPs for many months so I was out of the loop. Will make sure not to make the same mistake next time, and I do apologise profusely.
yes, yes you should apologize. You spoiled the series for me! :O jk jk lol. I think you should just add polls 1-7 all together although if you have polls for all 7 games then no need to change it from the status quo.
Acer interviewed Innovation on his first all kill as an Acer player.
The other potential choice for FXO's final player was Gumiho. Would you have felt less confident facing him than Leenock? I didn't really care who would come as their final player, but when I saw Leenock I was pretty sure I would all-kill them because he is a Zerg.
On September 04 2013 05:18 BigFan wrote: Kasaraki, you should've added polls for games 5-7 so that it's obvious that they aren't only 4 games lol.
Huh, I was going to do this initially but then mid-broadcast I came to the brainfarty conclusion that "well, anyone looking at 5-7 probably doesn't mind being spoilered". I'm not sure what exactly triggered me into thinking this, maybe I figured that the reason why the spoilers are put into two categories (1-4 and 5-7) is due to the fact that 5-7 is the one you click if you want final spoilers for GSTL type matches, and also that if people look for the ratings they aren't concerned with spoilers (They would look to see if they need to watch any games at all - who'd look at rating if they are planning to watch the matches and want to avoid spoilers? Well... Maybe the people who want to see if the ratings are good, and if they are bad, just read the result instead of watching the VODs, but would such people also click the 5-7 ratings? Those were my thoughts). These points obviously make no sense now to most people haha, and in retrospect I see the mistake. D: It's too late now, but yeah, basically had a brainfart and haven't done LR OPs for many months so I was out of the loop. Will make sure not to make the same mistake next time, and I do apologise profusely.
yes, yes you should apologize. You spoiled the series for me! :O jk jk lol. I think you should just add polls 1-7 all together although if you have polls for all 7 games then no need to change it from the status quo.
I'm sorry. T_T;;
I'll make sure to post the fake polls next time together with the final real poll, as per usual. It's not a huge hassle, I just somehow brainfarted as said.
Added a warning to the polls for this thread, since any new polls will be too obviously fake.
On September 04 2013 00:51 Zenbrez wrote: Got Leenock on my anti, Innov as my captain. Looking good.
Did Innov show any emotion as he was going through everybody? Even crack a smile when he got the allkill?
How does that even remotely matter? Do they have to act like a 10 years old girl and show you all their emotions? It's everyones personal choice how much he shows to thousands of strangers watching on stream and it is no indicator of whether it he is happy or not anyways.
Okay, few things. It doesn't matter, just curious. Don't know where you live, but most people (both male and female) express themselves above the age of 10. It makes a difference, why do you think OGN does player shots midgame? It adds to the experience, to see whether it's another day at the office or if they look devastated or just straightfaced. You may not have cared, but lots of people "feel" different towards seeing Rain win his OSL totally unmoved (regardless how he felt internally), and Roro who cried when he won the GSL.
I know a gstl match isn't on the same level, but those are just examples of why I'm asking - did he VISIBLY seem happy, or ust not care at all.
Finally, chill out. If it's not a big deal, like we both seem to agree, then it's not a big deal to ask. Lets not pretend every post on this forum is quality research ground breaking discoveries.
On September 03 2013 21:09 Abradix1 wrote: Apart from a select few players (Flash, Rain, SK, and a few more) I'd say the average skill level of GSTL players is at least on par with the non-superstar ProLeague players. With IM/MVP still in the GSTL I'd even it might be more difficult than proleague. So the people he is now beating up are around the same level of the people he used to beat up in PL.
No way. The average level of play in GSTL, even last season when both leagues were at full strength, was much lower than in SPL. Most GSTL players are barely above the level of WCS EU while ever SPL team has multiple players that could beat even the very best in the world.
On September 03 2013 20:59 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation went from playing in the SPL finals to beating up on amateurs. To each his own I guess, but I would have much preferred if he joined SKT1 or KT.
Says the guy who predict Kespa winning season 2 KR/World with 100% confidence. Welcome back! I'm glad you are brave enough to show your face again.
On September 04 2013 04:52 dutchfriese wrote: could only see game 1 because i don't have a ticket, but clearly innovation is a patch terran who is only good because of hellbats.
I don't get how people get overexcited about this. Even Ryung and Super scored multiple AKs in a much stronger GSTL last season, and it's not like FXO is a good team atm. But it's great to see Innovation in Acer and this is a strong start.
I find it funny that the Kespa fanboys are trying to use this to push forward their Kespa players are superior agenda despite how plenty of all kills have occured in the gstl before. Not to mention that Innovation is one of the best players in the world so its not surprising to see him score an AK in any setting.
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