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On August 26 2013 02:59 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 00:40 Aunvilgod wrote:On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer? no why not?I do not understand your rationale of why she wouldn't? How can you possible say anything else?She almost won zvt over the wcs 2 season winner, she won zvt over the korean champion of osl She absolutely dominated zvt matches Who else? Who else are you going to put instead? In the tournament that mattered the most, where everything was on the line her zvt always came on top. She is by the least top 2 after jaedong, but there is not much reason to put him ahead in zvt anyways.
because soulkey
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Holy shit just saw results. 
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On August 26 2013 02:59 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 00:40 Aunvilgod wrote:On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer? no why not?I do not understand your rationale of why she wouldn't? How can you possible say anything else?She almost won zvt over the wcs 2 season winner, she won zvt over the korean champion of osl She absolutely dominated zvt matches Who else? Who else are you going to put instead? In the tournament that mattered the most, where everything was on the line her zvt always came on top. She is by the least top 2 after jaedong, but there is not much reason to put him ahead in zvt anyways.
Scarlett really might be the best zvt player or very least she is among the best zvt players. But you have to remember that Bomber and Maru are not that good tvz players and korea has some great zvt players too like Soulkey. Jaedong also seems to be kinda bad at zvt (going 0-4 against Polt just before s2 finals and now this)
But yeah, she has REALLY great ZvT.
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On August 26 2013 02:59 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 00:40 Aunvilgod wrote:On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer? no why not?I do not understand your rationale of why she wouldn't? How can you possible say anything else?She almost won zvt over the wcs 2 season winner, she won zvt over the korean champion of osl She absolutely dominated zvt matches Who else? Who else are you going to put instead? In the tournament that mattered the most, where everything was on the line her zvt always came on top. She is by the least top 2 after jaedong, but there is not much reason to put him ahead in zvt anyways.
She does have very strong ZvT, considering the finals and how the games went definitely better than JD. Though in the 5th game it was not even close really with how insanely well Bomber contained her for so long on 2 bases.
I am not sure however that any of them are to be considered the BEST ZvT players out there.
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Just came back from the event. Can't really describe the awesomeness.
Also 2k posts. This one is for you Bomber!
Made me a fan(even though it was way overdue).
P.S: TvT still the best matchup to watch 3 years and counting...
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this is sort of a deja vu of when he lost against polt with 3-0 in the wcs na finals.JD seems to have some psychological thing going on during finals.But probably a large part of it comes form the fact that he met really good players in the finals.Polt and Bomber when they have good periods are litarally beasts.Nevertheless I think Jaedong as a great that he is puts a lot more emphasys in long term CONSISTENCY than to winning one tournament and then vanishing for years.And this is shown by the fact that he is second in wcs points behind only innovation.A true champion relies on getting good results on the long run and I think in the sc2 scene JD is the most consistent player of the last 3 months.Naniwa,Polt and even Innovation also come to mind in terms of consistency.
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I was really rooting for Jaedong (and before that, Scarlett), but I've got to hand it to Bomber, that was just amazing play. It reminds me of Flash during the Brood War days with his impeccable macro.
Congrats to Bomber, +1 fan 
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On August 26 2013 03:10 MrKn4rz wrote:
Just came back from the event. Can't really describe the awesomeness.
Also 2k posts. This one is for you Bomber!
Made me a fan(even though it was way overdue).
P.S: TvT still the best matchup to watch 3 years and counting...
With the hiccup that was mass hellbat wars...
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On August 26 2013 03:17 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 03:10 MrKn4rz wrote:
Just came back from the event. Can't really describe the awesomeness.
Also 2k posts. This one is for you Bomber!
Made me a fan(even though it was way overdue).
P.S: TvT still the best matchup to watch 3 years and counting... With the hiccup that was mass hellbat wars...
To be fair that hellbat madness that Innovation vs TaeJa game 3 had was pretty funny.
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On August 26 2013 03:17 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 03:10 MrKn4rz wrote:
Just came back from the event. Can't really describe the awesomeness.
Also 2k posts. This one is for you Bomber!
Made me a fan(even though it was way overdue).
P.S: TvT still the best matchup to watch 3 years and counting... With the hiccup that was mass hellbat wars...
You beat me to it The hellbat warz... not so wonderful, but glad they fixed it!
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On August 26 2013 02:59 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 00:40 Aunvilgod wrote:On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer? no why not?I do not understand your rationale of why she wouldn't? How can you possible say anything else?She almost won zvt over the wcs 2 season winner, she won zvt over the korean champion of osl She absolutely dominated zvt matches Who else? Who else are you going to put instead? In the tournament that mattered the most, where everything was on the line her zvt always came on top. She is by the least top 2 after jaedong, but there is not much reason to put him ahead in zvt anyways.
Soulkey is probably the best ZvTer. pretty much his only losses are to Innovation. After that, it's pretty close. I'd say she's very close to the top though. She has a few early game problems I guess where she always seems to start behind but her midgame is absolutely incredible.
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On August 26 2013 02:26 Left hand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:50 Vertical wrote:On August 26 2013 01:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:26 calh wrote:
So, is Bomber the 5th triple crown champion now? Bomber never won a premier tournament in Korea. Code A wasn't one back when it was separated from Code S. but... but... Code A is even harder then MLG or Dreamhack ? no ? It's harder now and it's still not a premier tournament. The old Code As are listed in premier tournaments on Liquipedia though. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
Hmmm, that's rather interesting. Maybe he does qualify for it after all.
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On August 26 2013 03:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:26 Left hand wrote:On August 26 2013 02:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:50 Vertical wrote:On August 26 2013 01:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:26 calh wrote:
So, is Bomber the 5th triple crown champion now? Bomber never won a premier tournament in Korea. Code A wasn't one back when it was separated from Code S. but... but... Code A is even harder then MLG or Dreamhack ? no ? It's harder now and it's still not a premier tournament. The old Code As are listed in premier tournaments on Liquipedia though. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments Hmmm, that's rather interesting. Maybe he does qualify for it after all.
It will be what, 3rd triple crown this year? (2nd set for Mvp, Polt's and Bomber's)
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On August 26 2013 03:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:26 Left hand wrote:On August 26 2013 02:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:50 Vertical wrote:On August 26 2013 01:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:26 calh wrote:
So, is Bomber the 5th triple crown champion now? Bomber never won a premier tournament in Korea. Code A wasn't one back when it was separated from Code S. but... but... Code A is even harder then MLG or Dreamhack ? no ? It's harder now and it's still not a premier tournament. The old Code As are listed in premier tournaments on Liquipedia though. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments Hmmm, that's rather interesting. Maybe he does qualify for it after all.
Of course he qualifies for it. Code A is much harder than foreign tournaments. Look at how few foreigners have ever made it to Code S.
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On August 26 2013 03:34 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 03:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 02:26 Left hand wrote:On August 26 2013 02:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:50 Vertical wrote:On August 26 2013 01:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:26 calh wrote:
So, is Bomber the 5th triple crown champion now? Bomber never won a premier tournament in Korea. Code A wasn't one back when it was separated from Code S. but... but... Code A is even harder then MLG or Dreamhack ? no ? It's harder now and it's still not a premier tournament. The old Code As are listed in premier tournaments on Liquipedia though. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments Hmmm, that's rather interesting. Maybe he does qualify for it after all. Of course he qualifies for it. Code A is much harder than foreign tournaments. Look at how few foreigners have ever *made it to Code S.
*Got invited to Code S. Just to keep the record straight.
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On August 26 2013 03:10 MrKn4rz wrote:
Just came back from the event. Can't really describe the awesomeness.
Also 2k posts. This one is for you Bomber!
Made me a fan(even though it was way overdue).
P.S: TvT still the best matchup to watch 3 years and counting...
nope TvT is the best matchup since 15 years. Yes I like BW TvT 
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BOMBER LAW can go to hell!!!!!
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On August 26 2013 03:26 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:59 Facultyadjutant wrote:On August 26 2013 00:40 Aunvilgod wrote:On August 26 2013 00:22 Killmouse wrote:
since scarlett 2-3 Bomber in a nailbiting series, can we say Scarlett is the best ZvTer? no why not?I do not understand your rationale of why she wouldn't? How can you possible say anything else?She almost won zvt over the wcs 2 season winner, she won zvt over the korean champion of osl She absolutely dominated zvt matches Who else? Who else are you going to put instead? In the tournament that mattered the most, where everything was on the line her zvt always came on top. She is by the least top 2 after jaedong, but there is not much reason to put him ahead in zvt anyways. Soulkey is probably the best ZvTer. pretty much his only losses are to Innovation. After that, it's pretty close. I'd say she's very close to the top though. She has a few early game problems I guess where she always seems to start behind but her midgame is absolutely incredible.
Soulkey lost to Supernova too, and Maru trashed Symbol but Scarlett had no problems against him. I think it's really hard to say right now, but Scarlett and Soulkey are really close. Top 3 for sure (zvt).
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BOMBER !!!!!
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On August 26 2013 03:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:26 Left hand wrote:On August 26 2013 02:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:50 Vertical wrote:On August 26 2013 01:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 26 2013 01:26 calh wrote:
So, is Bomber the 5th triple crown champion now? Bomber never won a premier tournament in Korea. Code A wasn't one back when it was separated from Code S. but... but... Code A is even harder then MLG or Dreamhack ? no ? It's harder now and it's still not a premier tournament. The old Code As are listed in premier tournaments on Liquipedia though. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments Hmmm, that's rather interesting. Maybe he does qualify for it after all.
It shouldn't. That's like saying that a football team won a title after winning the second division.
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