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Ok, the finals are on now. Stop derailing with complaints about WCS region system! - Begin page 109
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 11:26 GMT
#261
On August 11 2013 20:24 Fearest wrote:
Reason why I don't watch EU WCS is because of RedEye. After awhile I just get this rage when I hear him talk. Must be the accent and the ugly face along with it


Wait why are you here again?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 11 2013 11:26 GMT
#262
On August 11 2013 20:24 woody60707 wrote:
LMAO..... Zerg is UP and Protoss is OP - VortiX

I'm I the only one that really enjoys hearing the Pro balance whine?

Balance whine itself is eeh. I mostly enjoy the fisticuffs that occur in the wake of it.
Glorious SEA doto
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 11 2013 11:26 GMT
#263
On August 11 2013 20:25 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:24 Xoronius wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:22 Markwerf wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:14 Rassy wrote:
Difference is 5 zealots and not 10.
5 archon+5 zealots against 6 archon,then cost is same.
Guess would still go with the zealots though.


umm no.. dt archons are 250/250, 6 for 1500/1500. 6 ht archons and 10 zealots is also 1500/1500.
Only if you're doing a specific timing and saving on the archives is their some use in dt archons like the common zealot/archon timing to try and bust and expo after dt opening (not so popular now but it was in WoL)

All the other times you just want ht archons, it's just quite a bit better. Sure you need a little more production but even if you put 2 extra gates you still get 7 zealots for an archon. Thing is archons aren't even that good.. 5 zealots do just fine against an archon.. It's good to make archons but it's the pivotal unit, zealot + ht archons + immortals > zealots + dt archons any day. And that is exactly why welmu's lategame pvp is quite weak.


10 Zealots and 6 HT Archons cost 1000/0 + 600/1800 =1600/1800.


The zealots go with the HT archons not the DT archons and you beat me Markwerf


Yes, that is what I said, 1 HT is 50/150, 1 HT Archon is 100/300 and so 6 HT Archons and 10 Zealots are 1600/1800.
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
August 11 2013 11:26 GMT
#264
On August 11 2013 20:25 Archybaldie wrote:
With a mindset like that Vortix has already lost this game.


Like Naniwa is known to have a better mindset
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 11 2013 11:26 GMT
#265
On August 11 2013 20:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:24 Fearest wrote:
Reason why I don't watch EU WCS is because of RedEye. After awhile I just get this rage when I hear him talk. Must be the accent and the ugly face along with it


Wait why are you here again?

(Because he's actually watching it and just wanted to emphasise that he doesn't like redeye)
Glorious SEA doto
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 11 2013 11:27 GMT
#266
On August 11 2013 20:26 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:25 Archybaldie wrote:
With a mindset like that Vortix has already lost this game.


Like Naniwa is known to have a better mindset


Indeed the way we hear him talk he already gave up aswell.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
August 11 2013 11:27 GMT
#267
On August 11 2013 20:24 ArnaudF wrote:
Welmu and naniwa, what great representatives for the scene...


The new hot kid on the block and one from the old elite guard. Pretty good ye.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
August 11 2013 11:28 GMT
#268
On August 11 2013 20:26 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:25 NPF wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:24 Xoronius wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:22 Markwerf wrote:
On August 11 2013 20:14 Rassy wrote:
Difference is 5 zealots and not 10.
5 archon+5 zealots against 6 archon,then cost is same.
Guess would still go with the zealots though.


umm no.. dt archons are 250/250, 6 for 1500/1500. 6 ht archons and 10 zealots is also 1500/1500.
Only if you're doing a specific timing and saving on the archives is their some use in dt archons like the common zealot/archon timing to try and bust and expo after dt opening (not so popular now but it was in WoL)

All the other times you just want ht archons, it's just quite a bit better. Sure you need a little more production but even if you put 2 extra gates you still get 7 zealots for an archon. Thing is archons aren't even that good.. 5 zealots do just fine against an archon.. It's good to make archons but it's the pivotal unit, zealot + ht archons + immortals > zealots + dt archons any day. And that is exactly why welmu's lategame pvp is quite weak.


10 Zealots and 6 HT Archons cost 1000/0 + 600/1800 =1600/1800.


The zealots go with the HT archons not the DT archons and you beat me Markwerf


Yes, that is what I said, 1 HT is 50/150, 1 HT Archon is 100/300 and so 6 HT Archons and 10 Zealots are 1600/1800.


Oh sorry I assumed Markwerd math was right like my own.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 11 2013 11:28 GMT
#269
I love LR threads. According to 'em we are about to witness ultimate game of throws.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 11:28:26
August 11 2013 11:28 GMT
#270
On August 11 2013 20:24 Fearest wrote:
Reason why I don't watch EU WCS is because of RedEye. After awhile I just get this rage when I hear him talk. Must be the accent and the ugly face along with it


Couldn't be baiting more obviously
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 11 2013 11:28 GMT
#271
On August 11 2013 20:25 Archybaldie wrote:
With a mindset like that Vortix has already lost this game.

Problably he was 2x very surprised that he won vs MC and Mana few days ago.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
August 11 2013 11:29 GMT
#272
Alright alright, here we go!!
~~(,,ºº>
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33703 Posts
August 11 2013 11:29 GMT
#273
gogo skytoss
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 11:30:11
August 11 2013 11:29 GMT
#274
anyone catch maps 2-5? they changed too fast so i couldn't catch most of them >>
Moderatorlickypiddy
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
August 11 2013 11:30 GMT
#275
About Vortix: ""Strong semi" and "upwards finishes" multiple times". Impressive.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
August 11 2013 11:30 GMT
#276
We gonna se phoenix's!
~~(,,ºº>
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 11 2013 11:30 GMT
#277
On August 11 2013 20:24 woody60707 wrote:
LMAO..... Zerg is UP and Protoss is OP - VortiX

I'm I the only one that really enjoys hearing the Pro balance whine?


I don't, especially how Vortix did it.

Save it for stuff like State of the Game or Meta. Don't say that shit in pregame interviews it just shows people you're scared of your opponent and are looking for an easy excuse for why you expect to lose.

Not that I blame him for being afraid of Naniwa.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ReDeYe
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United Kingdom160 Posts
August 11 2013 11:31 GMT
#278
On August 11 2013 20:06 theBALLS wrote:
wow did redeye just run that list off the top of his head?


I did yes :p old Jedi mind trick.
@PaulChaloner on Twitter - facebook.com/paulredeyechaloner - fanclub - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369239
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
August 11 2013 11:31 GMT
#279
Grudge match of wsc eu, I hope 3-2 naniwa
#1 FAN OF TERRY THE INTERN - NONY AND IDRA NUMBER #1, EVERY DAY. AXIOM MANOR - Axiom: Ryung, Alicia, Heart and Crank under the Don TotalBiscuit and the Donnesa Genna Bain- Join the family http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396090#2
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 11:31 GMT
#280
On August 11 2013 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 20:24 woody60707 wrote:
LMAO..... Zerg is UP and Protoss is OP - VortiX

I'm I the only one that really enjoys hearing the Pro balance whine?


I don't, especially how Vortix did it.

Save it for stuff like State of the Game or Meta. Don't say that shit in pregame interviews it just shows people you're scared of your opponent and are looking for an easy excuse for why you expect to lose.

Not that I blame him for being afraid of Naniwa.


Yeah, god forbid it's actually a mindgame of sorts... or he might enjoy trolling the viewers.

Definitely scared/poor mindset etc...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
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