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[WCS AM] Finals Day 1 Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 33

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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#641
who's winning in game 3
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
August 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#642
On August 11 2013 06:21 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:09 Xorphene wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:00 KaneZ wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:57 Ammanas wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:53 KaneZ wrote:
First time watching WCS NA, cant really compete in productionquality with WCS Europe.


wat? I don't even.... What exactly do you imagine under the term 'production quality'?


Bright screen, no redeye just some random interviewer, average casters, overall setting of the show.

Though I like the map flyover.


Clutch is not random lol... True he's nothing compared to ReDeYe but he does his job just fine. And lol @ Bitterdam being "average casters"...


Clutch is just too loud and has an enormous ego compared to Redeye.

Bitter is superb, Rotterdam is below average.

WCS EU is much better in every way.


except players

you can't compare these two. eu has not that much trouble with koreans and has always a story line and tons of europeans. am has a different feeling, they can't do wcs extra with chinese and koreans it would be just weird. i agree that redeye might be better than clutch but clutch is everything but bad. i don't understand these complains to be quite honest


I was referring to the quality of the players in general. WCS NA has more top end individual talent compared to EU (which is true). I'm not referring to the American players obviously... but the Koreans that are in the tournament itself.


Then that should be a good reason for top notch production instead of :

1. Looking like it's in an office, 2. Having an egocentric, loud, mediocre host, 3. Having one great caster and one poor one, 4. Cutting off minutes from a game.

Just very poor, I had hoped for really good things after WCS AM was handed over from MLG to NASL but sorely disappointed i'm sorry to say.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#643
On August 11 2013 06:25 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:20 Zenbrez wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:19 Penev wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:18 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 Weavel wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:16 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:15 ptbl wrote:
Isnt the stream numbers for wcs america final more than it was when MLG was hosting it? And they said ti3 would hinder it.

EU had a much higher number though.
Not really it was ~39k on english stream at the end of 1:st match.

Well it was around 45k during Grubby v VortiX

I'm pretty sure I saw 59k at the end.

The english stream hit 60k (at least) for a bit


Yeah, the difference between EU and AM will probably be, that EU was going up throughout the day as more and more Americans were tuning in, while AM will probably (I hope I am mistaken though) go down as more and more Europeans will fall to sleep.
Anyways, I still like the offline portion of WCS AM more then WCS EU but that is just my personal preference


But WCS AM doesn't have DIMAGA!!!
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 21:26:51
August 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#644
On August 11 2013 06:22 sc2holar wrote:
am i the only one who thinks bitter is somewhat biased?


Are there still people who think unbiased people exist?

Also Bitter mentioned something about 1a'ing protosses in a cast not long ago, so you've got some start there.
No will to live, no wish to die
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#645
On August 11 2013 06:25 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:22 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:19 Penev wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:18 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 Weavel wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:16 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:15 ptbl wrote:
Isnt the stream numbers for wcs america final more than it was when MLG was hosting it? And they said ti3 would hinder it.

EU had a much higher number though.
Not really it was ~39k on english stream at the end of 1:st match.

Well it was around 45k during Grubby v VortiX

I'm pretty sure I saw 59k at the end.


http://fuzic.nl/events/323-wcs-eu-finals-day-1-premier-season-2-2013/


There is a site for that? The hell am I adding numbers manually for (I got it right though. Always something)


At least you got to practice your math .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28526 Posts
August 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#646
On August 11 2013 06:22 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:19 Penev wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:18 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 Weavel wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:16 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:15 ptbl wrote:
Isnt the stream numbers for wcs america final more than it was when MLG was hosting it? And they said ti3 would hinder it.

EU had a much higher number though.
Not really it was ~39k on english stream at the end of 1:st match.

Well it was around 45k during Grubby v VortiX

I'm pretty sure I saw 59k at the end.


http://fuzic.nl/events/323-wcs-eu-finals-day-1-premier-season-2-2013/

Oh nice. tnx.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
August 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#647
Man Jim does some stuff that just really doesn't make sense.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#648
Come on JD!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#649
Wow, loving that super hidden tech building, lol. Jaedong is being really interesting this series. Im lovin' it. :D
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
August 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#650
Would be hilarious if Jaedong pulled a Destiny w/ the Spire.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 21:28:53
August 10 2013 21:28 GMT
#651
--- Nuked ---
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
August 10 2013 21:28 GMT
#652
Hmm mutas against 6 phoenix? Ok 10 now.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 10 2013 21:28 GMT
#653
I'd like to say top 3 control
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
August 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#654
On August 11 2013 06:26 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:25 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:22 Musicus wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:19 Penev wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:18 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 Weavel wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:16 Cokefreak wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:15 ptbl wrote:
Isnt the stream numbers for wcs america final more than it was when MLG was hosting it? And they said ti3 would hinder it.

EU had a much higher number though.
Not really it was ~39k on english stream at the end of 1:st match.

Well it was around 45k during Grubby v VortiX

I'm pretty sure I saw 59k at the end.


http://fuzic.nl/events/323-wcs-eu-finals-day-1-premier-season-2-2013/


There is a site for that? The hell am I adding numbers manually for (I got it right though. Always something)


At least you got to practice your math .


But nowadays everyone has got a calculator (no wait, it's the whole goddamn internet) in their pocket, so it's kinda useless to know stuff. :/
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#655
Don't like the mutas at all .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#656
Oh my god, that is so many probe kills!
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#657
On August 11 2013 06:26 Xorphene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 06:21 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:17 SniXSniPe wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:09 Xorphene wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:00 KaneZ wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:57 Ammanas wrote:
On August 11 2013 05:53 KaneZ wrote:
First time watching WCS NA, cant really compete in productionquality with WCS Europe.


wat? I don't even.... What exactly do you imagine under the term 'production quality'?


Bright screen, no redeye just some random interviewer, average casters, overall setting of the show.

Though I like the map flyover.


Clutch is not random lol... True he's nothing compared to ReDeYe but he does his job just fine. And lol @ Bitterdam being "average casters"...


Clutch is just too loud and has an enormous ego compared to Redeye.

Bitter is superb, Rotterdam is below average.

WCS EU is much better in every way.


except players

you can't compare these two. eu has not that much trouble with koreans and has always a story line and tons of europeans. am has a different feeling, they can't do wcs extra with chinese and koreans it would be just weird. i agree that redeye might be better than clutch but clutch is everything but bad. i don't understand these complains to be quite honest


I was referring to the quality of the players in general. WCS NA has more top end individual talent compared to EU (which is true). I'm not referring to the American players obviously... but the Koreans that are in the tournament itself.


Then that should be a good reason for top notch production instead of :

1. Looking like it's in an office, 2. Having an egocentric, loud, mediocre host, 3. Having one great caster and one poor one, 4. Cutting off minutes from a game.

Just very poor, I had hoped for really good things after WCS AM was handed over from MLG to NASL but sorely disappointed i'm sorry to say.

i am speechless about your random complains. the host is probably mediocre but he is still fine. bitterdam are a team they belong together and they are awesome. they do extra stuff like interviews with jaedong. they are improving the viewer experience. they do a great job, they even got husky and day9 to cast with them. "looking like it's in an office" i seriously cannot comment on that i have nothing to say to this.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#658
But mutalisks are all done for!
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
August 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#659
why mutas?
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#660
Jaedong should have reinforced with corruptors as soon as possible! Big mistake on his part!
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